From unknown Mon Jun 16 23:48:58 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#18343 <18343@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#18343 <18343@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: 24.4.50; REGRESSION: `help-echo' property is not added, so no tooltip or echo Reply-To: bug#18343 <18343@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2025 06:48:58 +0000 retitle 18343 24.4.50; REGRESSION: `help-echo' property is not added, so no= tooltip or echo reassign 18343 emacs submitter 18343 Drew Adams severity 18343 normal tag 18343 notabug thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Aug 28 12:23:24 2014 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Aug 2014 16:23:24 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54558 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XN2Tr-00026B-F5 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 28 Aug 2014 12:23:23 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:57801) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XN2To-00025y-Lj for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 28 Aug 2014 12:23:21 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XN2TZ-00011y-60 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 28 Aug 2014 12:23:15 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_40 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:55177) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XN2TZ-00011u-2w for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 28 Aug 2014 12:23:05 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:59479) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XN2TQ-00052I-80 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 28 Aug 2014 12:23:04 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XN2TH-0000u2-IJ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 28 Aug 2014 12:22:56 -0400 Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:21283) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XN2TH-0000tu-C3 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 28 Aug 2014 12:22:47 -0400 Received: from ucsinet22.oracle.com (ucsinet22.oracle.com [156.151.31.94]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id s7SGMiDN007056 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Thu, 28 Aug 2014 16:22:46 GMT Received: from userz7021.oracle.com (userz7021.oracle.com [156.151.31.85]) by ucsinet22.oracle.com (8.14.5+Sun/8.14.5) with ESMTP id s7SGMilS003226 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 28 Aug 2014 16:22:44 GMT Received: from abhmp0020.oracle.com (abhmp0020.oracle.com [141.146.116.26]) by userz7021.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id s7SGMhHG013719 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 2014 16:22:43 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <73dcc1a9-eab9-4f13-be3a-8e8eea6a2e8b@default> Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2014 09:22:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 24.4.50; REGRESSION: `help-echo' property is not added, so no tooltip or echo X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.8.2 (807160) [OL 12.0.6691.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: ucsinet22.oracle.com [156.151.31.94] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x-2.6.x [generic] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) emacs -Q In *scratch*, evaluate this: (add-text-properties 1 10 '(help-echo "FOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO")) Put the mouse pointer over one of the first 10 chars. There is no tooltip. `M-x tooltip-mode', to turn it off. Put pointer over the char again. There is no echo-area echo. `C-u C-x =3D' on one of the first 10 chars. There is no `help-echo' property. Using `put-text-property' instead of `add-text-properties'=20 gives the same result. In Emacs 24.3 or a prior release there is no such problem. In GNU Emacs 24.4.50.1 (i686-pc-mingw32) of 2014-08-15 on LEG570 Bzr revision: 117706 rgm@gnu.org-20140815043406-p5hbu97cbm7pulcn Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 6.1.7601 Configured using: `configure --enable-checking 'CFLAGS=3D-O0 -g3' CPPFLAGS=3D-DGLYPH_DEBUG= =3D1' From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Aug 28 12:39:34 2014 Received: (at 18343) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Aug 2014 16:39:34 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54567 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XN2jW-0002Xr-38 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 28 Aug 2014 12:39:34 -0400 Received: from mtaout22.012.net.il ([80.179.55.172]:59788) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XN2jR-0002Xb-V5 for 18343@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 28 Aug 2014 12:39:31 -0400 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout22.012.net.il by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0NB000700Z64B200@a-mtaout22.012.net.il> for 18343@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 28 Aug 2014 19:39:23 +0300 (IDT) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0NB0006UIZLMTXA0@a-mtaout22.012.net.il>; Thu, 28 Aug 2014 19:39:23 +0300 (IDT) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2014 19:39:38 +0300 From: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#18343: 24.4.50; REGRESSION: `help-echo' property is not added, so no tooltip or echo In-reply-to: <73dcc1a9-eab9-4f13-be3a-8e8eea6a2e8b@default> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il To: Drew Adams Message-id: <83vbpcin5h.fsf@gnu.org> References: <73dcc1a9-eab9-4f13-be3a-8e8eea6a2e8b@default> X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 18343 Cc: 18343@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) > Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2014 09:22:43 -0700 (PDT) > From: Drew Adams > > emacs -Q > > In *scratch*, evaluate this: > > (add-text-properties 1 10 '(help-echo "FOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO")) > > Put the mouse pointer over one of the first 10 chars. There is no > tooltip. `M-x tooltip-mode', to turn it off. Put pointer over the char > again. There is no echo-area echo. > > `C-u C-x =' on one of the first 10 chars. There is no `help-echo' > property. Disable font-lock-mode, and help-echo works again as expected. It sounds like font-lock overwrites the help-echo property. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Aug 28 12:54:37 2014 Received: (at 18343) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Aug 2014 16:54:37 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54574 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XN2y4-0002v2-Tl for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 28 Aug 2014 12:54:37 -0400 Received: from b2bfep12.mx.upcmail.net ([62.179.121.57]:36107) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XN2y1-0002um-Ny for 18343@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 28 Aug 2014 12:54:35 -0400 Received: from edge12.upcmail.net ([192.168.13.82]) by b2bfep12-int.chello.at (InterMail vM.8.01.05.11 201-2260-151-128-20120928) with ESMTP id <20140828165427.BPSD11692.b2bfep12-int.chello.at@edge12.upcmail.net> for <18343@debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 28 Aug 2014 18:54:27 +0200 Received: from iznogoud.viz ([91.119.88.190]) by edge12.upcmail.net with edge id kGuS1o00H46QafP0CGuS31; Thu, 28 Aug 2014 18:54:27 +0200 X-SourceIP: 91.119.88.190 Received: from wolfgang by iznogoud.viz with local (Exim 4.84 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1XN2xu-0000Ve-BT; Thu, 28 Aug 2014 18:54:26 +0200 From: Wolfgang Jenkner To: Drew Adams Subject: Re: bug#18343: 24.4.50; REGRESSION: `help-echo' property is not added, so no tooltip or echo Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2014 18:52:36 +0200 References: <73dcc1a9-eab9-4f13-be3a-8e8eea6a2e8b@default> Message-ID: <85iolcblml.fsf@iznogoud.viz> User-Agent: Gnus/5.130012 (Ma Gnus v0.12) Emacs/24.4.50 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 18343 Cc: 18343@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) On Thu, Aug 28 2014, Drew Adams wrote: > (add-text-properties 1 10 '(help-echo "FOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO")) > > Put the mouse pointer over one of the first 10 chars. There is no > tooltip. `M-x tooltip-mode', to turn it off. Put pointer over the char > again. There is no echo-area echo. > > `C-u C-x =' on one of the first 10 chars. There is no `help-echo' > property. Just turn off font-lock-mode ;-) Seriously, educated guess + vc-annotate gives: Author: Stefan Monnier Date: Tue Apr 22 13:45:43 2014 -0400 * lisp/emacs-lisp/lisp-mode.el (lisp--match-hidden-arg): New function. (lisp-el-font-lock-keywords-2, lisp-cl-font-lock-keywords-2): Use it. (lisp-mode-variables): Set font-lock-extra-managed-props. @@ -466,10 +489,10 @@ font-lock keywords will not be case sensitive." lisp-cl-font-lock-keywords-2)) nil ,keywords-case-insensitive nil nil (font-lock-mark-block-function . mark-defun) + (font-lock-extra-managed-props help-echo) (font-lock-syntactic-face-function . lisp-font-lock-syntactic-face-function))) (setq-local prettify-symbols-alist lisp--prettify-symbols-alist) - ;; electric (when elisp (setq-local electric-pair-text-pairs (cons '(?\` . ?\') electric-pair-text-pairs))) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Aug 28 13:06:53 2014 Received: (at 18343) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Aug 2014 17:06:53 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54578 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XN39w-0003F1-Jh for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 28 Aug 2014 13:06:53 -0400 Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:18546) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XN39u-0003En-4D for 18343@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 28 Aug 2014 13:06:51 -0400 Received: from ucsinet21.oracle.com (ucsinet21.oracle.com [156.151.31.93]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id s7SH6hFN002224 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 28 Aug 2014 17:06:43 GMT Received: from aserz7021.oracle.com (aserz7021.oracle.com [141.146.126.230]) by ucsinet21.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id s7SH6gQj003461 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 28 Aug 2014 17:06:42 GMT Received: from abhmp0020.oracle.com (abhmp0020.oracle.com [141.146.116.26]) by aserz7021.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id s7SH6fT8008091; Thu, 28 Aug 2014 17:06:41 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <2c33a850-0b4a-4b87-b2e4-b662df4ed01e@default> Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2014 10:06:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: RE: bug#18343: 24.4.50; REGRESSION: `help-echo' property is not added, so no tooltip or echo References: <<73dcc1a9-eab9-4f13-be3a-8e8eea6a2e8b@default>> <<83vbpcin5h.fsf@gnu.org>> In-Reply-To: <<83vbpcin5h.fsf@gnu.org>> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.8.2 (807160) [OL 12.0.6691.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: ucsinet21.oracle.com [156.151.31.93] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 18343 Cc: 18343@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) ez> Disable font-lock-mode, and help-echo works again as expected. ez> It sounds like font-lock overwrites the help-echo property. Yes. It apparently just removes the property. wj> Just turn off font-lock-mode ;-) wj> Seriously, educated guess + vc-annotate gives: wj> wj> Author: Stefan Monnier wj> Date: Tue Apr 22 13:45:43 2014 -0400 ... wj> + (font-lock-extra-managed-props help-echo) I hope no one is suggesting that this is a new feature, instead of a regression. ;-) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Aug 28 13:23:22 2014 Received: (at 18343) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Aug 2014 17:23:22 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54588 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XN3Pt-0003f6-LA for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 28 Aug 2014 13:23:21 -0400 Received: from b2bfep13.mx.upcmail.net ([62.179.121.58]:35525) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XN3Pq-0003er-UD for 18343@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 28 Aug 2014 13:23:20 -0400 Received: from edge12.upcmail.net ([192.168.13.82]) by b2bfep13-int.chello.at (InterMail vM.8.01.05.11 201-2260-151-128-20120928) with ESMTP id <20140828172312.HCPD28235.b2bfep13-int.chello.at@edge12.upcmail.net> for <18343@debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 28 Aug 2014 19:23:12 +0200 Received: from iznogoud.viz ([91.119.88.190]) by edge12.upcmail.net with edge id kHPB1o00j46QafP0CHPCjp; Thu, 28 Aug 2014 19:23:12 +0200 X-SourceIP: 91.119.88.190 Received: from wolfgang by iznogoud.viz with local (Exim 4.84 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1XN3Pj-0000Wl-RZ; Thu, 28 Aug 2014 19:23:11 +0200 From: Wolfgang Jenkner To: Drew Adams Subject: Re: bug#18343: 24.4.50; REGRESSION: `help-echo' property is not added, so no tooltip or echo Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2014 19:20:46 +0200 References: <73dcc1a9-eab9-4f13-be3a-8e8eea6a2e8b@default>> <83vbpcin5h.fsf@gnu.org>> <2c33a850-0b4a-4b87-b2e4-b662df4ed01e@default> Message-ID: <858um8bkao.fsf@iznogoud.viz> User-Agent: Gnus/5.130012 (Ma Gnus v0.12) Emacs/24.4.50 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 18343 Cc: Eli Zaretskii , 18343@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) On Thu, Aug 28 2014, Drew Adams wrote: > wj> + (font-lock-extra-managed-props help-echo) > > I hope no one is suggesting that this is a new feature, instead > of a regression. ;-) This is emacs: we'll end up with a font-lock-help-echo text property. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Aug 28 17:20:42 2014 Received: (at 18343) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Aug 2014 21:20:43 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52871 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XN77a-0000zf-G5 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 28 Aug 2014 17:20:42 -0400 Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:22810) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XN77X-0000zS-W1 for 18343@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 28 Aug 2014 17:20:41 -0400 Received: from ucsinet21.oracle.com (ucsinet21.oracle.com [156.151.31.93]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id s7SLKXAI013940 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 28 Aug 2014 21:20:34 GMT Received: from aserz7021.oracle.com (aserz7021.oracle.com [141.146.126.230]) by ucsinet21.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id s7SLKWJX013183 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 28 Aug 2014 21:20:32 GMT Received: from abhmp0020.oracle.com (abhmp0020.oracle.com [141.146.116.26]) by aserz7021.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id s7SLKWrb001329; Thu, 28 Aug 2014 21:20:32 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <7ac84a8a-cc73-4100-9635-b421bc1b72f0@default> Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2014 14:20:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams To: Wolfgang Jenkner Subject: RE: bug#18343: 24.4.50; REGRESSION: `help-echo' property is not added, so no tooltip or echo References: <73dcc1a9-eab9-4f13-be3a-8e8eea6a2e8b@default>> <83vbpcin5h.fsf@gnu.org>> <2c33a850-0b4a-4b87-b2e4-b662df4ed01e@default> <858um8bkao.fsf@iznogoud.viz> In-Reply-To: <858um8bkao.fsf@iznogoud.viz> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.8.2 (807160) [OL 12.0.6691.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: ucsinet21.oracle.com [156.151.31.93] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 18343 Cc: Eli Zaretskii , 18343@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) > > wj> + (font-lock-extra-managed-props help-echo) > > > > I hope no one is suggesting that this is a new feature, > > instead of a regression. ;-) >=20 > This is emacs: we'll end up with a font-lock-help-echo text > property. Sorry, I cannot tell whether you are joking, Wolfgang. I hope so. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Apr 30 09:41:24 2016 Received: (at 18343) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Apr 2016 13:41:24 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56499 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1awV9A-0007VO-Jk for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 30 Apr 2016 09:41:24 -0400 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:56712) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1awV99-0007VF-21 for 18343@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 30 Apr 2016 09:41:23 -0400 Received: from cm-84.215.1.64.getinternet.no ([84.215.1.64] helo=mouse) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1awV96-0002lh-Gw; Sat, 30 Apr 2016 15:41:22 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Drew Adams Subject: Re: bug#18343: 24.4.50; REGRESSION: `help-echo' property is not added, so no tooltip or echo References: <73dcc1a9-eab9-4f13-be3a-8e8eea6a2e8b@default>> <83vbpcin5h.fsf@gnu.org>> <2c33a850-0b4a-4b87-b2e4-b662df4ed01e@default> Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2016 15:41:20 +0200 In-Reply-To: <2c33a850-0b4a-4b87-b2e4-b662df4ed01e@default> (Drew Adams's message of "Thu, 28 Aug 2014 10:06:40 -0700 (PDT)") Message-ID: <8760uzrz7j.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 18343 Cc: Eli Zaretskii , 18343@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) Drew Adams writes: > ez> Disable font-lock-mode, and help-echo works again as expected. > ez> It sounds like font-lock overwrites the help-echo property. > > Yes. It apparently just removes the property. If you insert text with text properties into buffers controlled by font-lock, they are removed. (Most of them.) So this isn't a bug. Closing. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Apr 30 09:41:29 2016 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Apr 2016 13:41:29 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56502 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1awV9E-0007Vg-SZ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 30 Apr 2016 09:41:29 -0400 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:56724) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1awV9D-0007VY-Qb for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 30 Apr 2016 09:41:28 -0400 Received: from cm-84.215.1.64.getinternet.no ([84.215.1.64] helo=mouse) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1awV9B-0002lp-JC for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 30 Apr 2016 15:41:27 +0200 Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2016 15:41:25 +0200 Message-Id: <874majrz7e.fsf@gnus.org> To: control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: control message for bug #18343 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) tags 18343 notabug close 18343 From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Apr 30 12:21:29 2016 Received: (at 18343) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Apr 2016 16:21:29 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58082 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1awXe5-0003Vq-NO for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 30 Apr 2016 12:21:29 -0400 Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:32810) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1awXe3-0003Vb-V0 for 18343@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 30 Apr 2016 12:21:28 -0400 Received: from userv0022.oracle.com (userv0022.oracle.com [156.151.31.74]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id u3UGLL0W026712 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 30 Apr 2016 16:21:21 GMT Received: from userv0122.oracle.com (userv0122.oracle.com [156.151.31.75]) by userv0022.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u3UGLLR9004705 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 30 Apr 2016 16:21:21 GMT Received: from abhmp0019.oracle.com (abhmp0019.oracle.com [141.146.116.25]) by userv0122.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id u3UGLKfg021896; Sat, 30 Apr 2016 16:21:20 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2016 08:21:19 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: Drew Adams To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: RE: bug#18343: 24.4.50; REGRESSION: `help-echo' property is not added, so no tooltip or echo References: <73dcc1a9-eab9-4f13-be3a-8e8eea6a2e8b@default>> <83vbpcin5h.fsf@gnu.org>> <2c33a850-0b4a-4b87-b2e4-b662df4ed01e@default> <8760uzrz7j.fsf@gnus.org> In-Reply-To: <8760uzrz7j.fsf@gnus.org> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9 (901082) [OL 12.0.6744.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: userv0022.oracle.com [156.151.31.74] X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 18343 Cc: Eli Zaretskii , 18343@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > > ez> Disable font-lock-mode, and help-echo works again as expected. > > ez> It sounds like font-lock overwrites the help-echo property. > > > > Yes. It apparently just removes the property. >=20 > If you insert text with text properties into buffers controlled by > font-lock, they are removed. (Most of them.) So this isn't a bug. >=20 > Closing. You are just saying that this is not a bug because it exists. And it is certainly NOT the case that font-lock removes text properties in general. NOT "most" of them - there are an unlimited number of text properties you can use, and `font-lock-extra-managed-props' targets very few of them (thank goodness). The question is not whether `font-lock-extra-managed-props', in effect, removes text properties, but why it now removes THIS property, which has nothing to do with text highlighting. Why should `help-echo' be on `font-lock-extra-managed-props'? Why should toggling `font-lock-mode' toggle help-echo display? Without hearing a solid argument in its favor, I do not see this as a feature, but a bug (regression). And if it is argued that it is a feature (I'd love to hear the rationale), I see nothing about this incompatible change in NEWS (e.g. for 24.4). From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun May 01 12:23:07 2016 Received: (at 18343) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 May 2016 16:23:07 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60845 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1awu9C-0007E0-VT for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 01 May 2016 12:23:07 -0400 Received: from mout.web.de ([212.227.15.4]:55182) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1awu9B-0007DI-9s for 18343@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 01 May 2016 12:23:05 -0400 Received: from drachen.dragon ([94.217.122.112]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb002) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MNt4V-1b3ErW2ogt-007RN5; Sun, 01 May 2016 18:22:53 +0200 From: Michael Heerdegen To: Drew Adams Subject: Re: bug#18343: 24.4.50; REGRESSION: `help-echo' property is not added, so no tooltip or echo References: <73dcc1a9-eab9-4f13-be3a-8e8eea6a2e8b@default>> <83vbpcin5h.fsf@gnu.org>> <2c33a850-0b4a-4b87-b2e4-b662df4ed01e@default> <8760uzrz7j.fsf@gnus.org> Date: Sun, 01 May 2016 18:22:52 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Drew Adams's message of "Sat, 30 Apr 2016 08:21:19 -0800 (GMT-08:00)") Message-ID: <87a8k93fz7.fsf@web.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.93 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:HyUrR3v6Ha90YFE7nYi596zTDThxKXL6/6xKEgx92yxtpv5fH3F Prio206QwyYH5NM0Eihmd3bFu+oglIPdS6CFq544TzdAiq9PXvQYzNj4jFAxqsp+YMxaQOh BIdPrCV5j8iVB8irW5HmLDkEZU2Fz+6MjOCalw6Fs1e/hAPT0xKqj8kD000dro8Wp5GKDPu yMQIhDz5OP63KJxW175wA== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:XGrE2oFRkUc=:QrjGrYGHFm73gIfBTvDijq 7y9tnJTQLWtyL5BAm2ISLS70l7rWF/a5wqT/0NhXN/JJHCCA54DWV7nq+vyk5X/Sg3W3ncDyZ nIozExo3MuinqNugdszrAWad4op89NGEiWWQKV4kPe4w4c72a0Uj4sJnkF6NWf1CqBqT9IS+1 pOV1C/E3duJjW3xH5IK2IdLOagMX/jZ2djgAMUnzhaslcfStnEORxtHWdyIKx7fqjZbcgmMgy g7ZLOa4NrhkSVwrNGQ7/Z1a1ZOHfFuR8g0+Xrkept8Nsnixb+xlMkgVfOXyiKKTEwt+/Y1ZqU ehnz9K6AShovSDBF7c5yYNSbp8qZoc9EVgVOVxgccLEVXKlku3UA7COTVOTf+VPampacU0bFG K+qVhRwl3bXHlexvDWRbnbOAJEKT4lu4G/GGU9mXfuqaHWXRSBa9thGoKPz2Kdv9Oca6sqgSC 9RVI/1/f/jCc4XLRSQn+hIBFayeVBBghEtkNIDfD2LNKI+bUumm/XIIgYuyjZdLe5uBc39kh7 ce7AuZx46Be9gNRgwFw4MFXPSpveuPL+vx5wesMoZo3CHdYbSG5SrEBRrstXKA3uxqGYI6yCX eW1kSabmvEicWV0Goy2Whz2T2lTHTgjo7Pa3aVJYzalWbqCJD/vm9BuWCcDpNLjBGkKiE415C GG/Ajg5+alL5UDvDIKoDq+OHW9clM/3DBmA/gpCABdJPfocZCESc3fo7uW5te/rLEQG6KO4om FmMkbHKJP6FZxA5p6WDW7g5HMOnl/KELkPHkuX1ynGgAV5SVNedzc6U5hvpRgTREZi7+YfXqH xtJcpxo X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 18343 Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , 18343@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) Drew Adams writes: > Why should `help-echo' be on `font-lock-extra-managed-props'? I guess the reason is to allow font-lock to propertize parts of the buffer with this property. This issue is a (presumably not trivially avoidable) side effect. Michael. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun May 01 12:53:10 2016 Received: (at 18343) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 May 2016 16:53:10 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60878 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1awucI-0002ly-0E for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 01 May 2016 12:53:10 -0400 Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:36159) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1awucG-0002ll-MU for 18343@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 01 May 2016 12:53:09 -0400 Received: from aserv0022.oracle.com (aserv0022.oracle.com [141.146.126.234]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id u41Gr1hE020592 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 1 May 2016 16:53:02 GMT Received: from aserv0121.oracle.com (aserv0121.oracle.com [141.146.126.235]) by aserv0022.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u41Gr1Qu001693 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 1 May 2016 16:53:01 GMT Received: from abhmp0019.oracle.com (abhmp0019.oracle.com [141.146.116.25]) by aserv0121.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u41Gr0BZ004567; Sun, 1 May 2016 16:53:00 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <6e92c530-40e9-462d-b0bf-46911ac4a103@default> Date: Sun, 1 May 2016 08:52:58 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: Drew Adams To: Michael Heerdegen Subject: RE: bug#18343: 24.4.50; REGRESSION: `help-echo' property is not added, so no tooltip or echo References: <73dcc1a9-eab9-4f13-be3a-8e8eea6a2e8b@default>> <83vbpcin5h.fsf@gnu.org>> <2c33a850-0b4a-4b87-b2e4-b662df4ed01e@default> <8760uzrz7j.fsf@gnus.org> <87a8k93fz7.fsf@web.de> In-Reply-To: <87a8k93fz7.fsf@web.de> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9 (901082) [OL 12.0.6744.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: aserv0022.oracle.com [141.146.126.234] X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 18343 Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , 18343@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > > Why should `help-echo' be on `font-lock-extra-managed-props'? >=20 > I guess the reason is to allow font-lock to propertize parts of the > buffer with this property. This issue is a (presumably not trivially > avoidable) side effect. By "allow font-lock to propertize parts of the buffer with this property" do you mean allow it to propertize, with faces, parts of the buffer that happen to have property `help-echo'? Or do you mean allow it to add property `help-echo' parts of the buffer? If the latter, what is the use case for font-lock doing that? I'll assume you meant the former - In that case, why not trivially avoidable? Why not tell font-lock hands-off this property, which has nothing to do with highlighting? Until the recent change that caused this regression, property `help-echo' was not on the list `font-lock-extra-managed-props'. Is it clear to you why it needs to be on that list? It's not clear to me. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun May 01 13:09:09 2016 Received: (at 18343) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 May 2016 17:09:09 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60889 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1awurh-00039H-JT for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 01 May 2016 13:09:08 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:42883) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1awurd-00038k-0P for 18343@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 01 May 2016 13:09:04 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1awurK-0000RP-V3 for 18343@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 01 May 2016 13:08:52 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_05,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:54323) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1awurK-0000Qm-S3; Sun, 01 May 2016 13:08:42 -0400 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:2746 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1awurD-0002xd-II; Sun, 01 May 2016 13:08:36 -0400 Date: Sun, 01 May 2016 20:08:35 +0300 Message-Id: <83shy1n1t8.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Drew Adams In-reply-to: <6e92c530-40e9-462d-b0bf-46911ac4a103@default> (message from Drew Adams on Sun, 1 May 2016 08:52:58 -0800 (GMT-08:00)) Subject: Re: bug#18343: 24.4.50; REGRESSION: `help-echo' property is not added, so no tooltip or echo References: <73dcc1a9-eab9-4f13-be3a-8e8eea6a2e8b@default>> <83vbpcin5h.fsf@gnu.org>> <2c33a850-0b4a-4b87-b2e4-b662df4ed01e@default> <8760uzrz7j.fsf@gnus.org> <87a8k93fz7.fsf@web.de> <6e92c530-40e9-462d-b0bf-46911ac4a103@default> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -6.0 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 18343 Cc: michael_heerdegen@web.de, larsi@gnus.org, 18343@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.0 (------) > Date: Sun, 1 May 2016 08:52:58 -0800 (GMT-08:00) > From: Drew Adams > Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , 18343@debbugs.gnu.org > > Why not tell font-lock hands-off this property, which has nothing to > do with highlighting? See lisp-mode.el for one answer. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun May 01 13:22:19 2016 Received: (at 18343) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 May 2016 17:22:19 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60897 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1awv4V-0003SE-87 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 01 May 2016 13:22:19 -0400 Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:40150) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1awv4T-0003S1-LO for 18343@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 01 May 2016 13:22:18 -0400 Received: from aserv0022.oracle.com (aserv0022.oracle.com [141.146.126.234]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id u41HM9Sb006902 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 1 May 2016 17:22:10 GMT Received: from userv0121.oracle.com (userv0121.oracle.com [156.151.31.72]) by aserv0022.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u41HM7V7010914 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 1 May 2016 17:22:08 GMT Received: from abhmp0003.oracle.com (abhmp0003.oracle.com [141.146.116.9]) by userv0121.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u41HM67X027727; Sun, 1 May 2016 17:22:06 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 1 May 2016 10:22:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams To: Eli Zaretskii , Drew Adams Subject: RE: bug#18343: 24.4.50; REGRESSION: `help-echo' property is not added, so no tooltip or echo References: <<73dcc1a9-eab9-4f13-be3a-8e8eea6a2e8b@default>> <83vbpcin5h.fsf@gnu.org>> <2c33a850-0b4a-4b87-b2e4-b662df4ed01e@default> <8760uzrz7j.fsf@gnus.org> <87a8k93fz7.fsf@web.de>> <<6e92c530-40e9-462d-b0bf-46911ac4a103@default>> <<83shy1n1t8.fsf@gnu.org>> In-Reply-To: <<83shy1n1t8.fsf@gnu.org>> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9 (901082) [OL 12.0.6744.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: aserv0022.oracle.com [141.146.126.234] X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 18343 Cc: michael_heerdegen@web.de, larsi@gnus.org, 18343@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > > Why not tell font-lock hands-off this property, which has nothing to > > do with highlighting? >=20 > See lisp-mode.el for one answer. Too unclear. What part of that library do you think is significant here? What's your point? (And what does `help-echo' have to do with Lisp mode, necessarily?) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun May 01 13:27:14 2016 Received: (at 18343) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 May 2016 17:27:14 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60901 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1awv9F-0003ZK-Rl for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 01 May 2016 13:27:14 -0400 Received: from mout.web.de ([212.227.15.14]:64348) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1awv9E-0003Z7-2x for 18343@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 01 May 2016 13:27:12 -0400 Received: from drachen.dragon ([94.217.122.112]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb004) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0LaIRi-1bNxgw2vBm-00m3B2; Sun, 01 May 2016 19:27:00 +0200 From: Michael Heerdegen To: Drew Adams Subject: Re: bug#18343: 24.4.50; REGRESSION: `help-echo' property is not added, so no tooltip or echo References: <73dcc1a9-eab9-4f13-be3a-8e8eea6a2e8b@default>> <83vbpcin5h.fsf@gnu.org>> <2c33a850-0b4a-4b87-b2e4-b662df4ed01e@default> <8760uzrz7j.fsf@gnus.org> <87a8k93fz7.fsf@web.de> <6e92c530-40e9-462d-b0bf-46911ac4a103@default> Date: Sun, 01 May 2016 19:26:59 +0200 In-Reply-To: <6e92c530-40e9-462d-b0bf-46911ac4a103@default> (Drew Adams's message of "Sun, 1 May 2016 08:52:58 -0800 (GMT-08:00)") Message-ID: <87a8k9y9i4.fsf@web.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.93 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:r/j+mAJx2ZobTGsdWur9OgcwQWAql/xPaPBXcGr+g1OgfiKDGX9 ohJ3b58jPHORMkXQltv+LxGA/0F/a8lMqiL78AfuVGl3zkaLzo6VaRgveHkso97Dt9P0LDv 2HpURySHvzZne/2dDBrvWGb1Xeol/j7p6PxBkDn5T9zJNiqVYHeiV+3HIu2y5lnUhZNXdoR d6397PvOGR5xIU/0doQrg== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:5oBYkznR6SQ=:U0i+6HRFIA8f6RiQH34FCf srUs+C/oP+ofUaJhXeF3pf6K5vaZLaz0fxLeoTcu+hnS4NxTXwW2MjtB8lwYftEZkMdEizDu+ EOKV2E63D4abni/dfem8sW6BuP9v6B6jTvwC+/eon3Dy9cWtxvw2ajqjNPvJAEmvRvmiD2ANQ hukWjcimN2kuqpNPjc6I++P9jUZMbvhQk2OMZxQGs8TS0hi2hpsYa2qs6PbKSs99HkwDjXN3N GxlVJC0DKCu4lBBxuOwU+j1rd7ckNUKdqoJetjxFtg6mt6EMrUtijQLmzsLygltrPRUt0JA1i bI2AStGDnBdq1BXzXbcy06/gPsjsjchi+47AeqwIXKaHpo98BLdcYs4R749Jp9DW4LASLrpAM 7Q/61uthC8ZCsigFNvINdPuj+lnLDiYlcqFHnBU51Hy+yhWCrgv1vadtxhbnzqqmYvyruC+zc kGUA9nTTYnCd6JARCoqIWU3aah+h/MEtla+SVjRYOQcOK6UlBAyk4sNpSuVHIndexvKIAweNf Gw0W4CR2Xeiz1teO+bkFlpWaGW+vMBvPwOWiFp6MaV5vjvz2zTv9P3n1EG4Eg5hZ2UNeivUQC AgttcURtzPJpGM/sPSJA+8tToi2+ryCZIJnRfkwzTooSQL6vRl7zuCWnhhHIbcu1VYUlvSFmt NSjt96tWflVU65woB15XyXqvfwdfJGvtRkHRdkomqNbtW9ivGUR6ok7hC0uKMAAFdTVB0Dhpi qsV9ZEFe4Zc7DVye8xnJR7D5bDFtkTFqLIROdxuzmPF8rdeXnhWiuy4u57XTSZVBojYNSLzti 5wu1hSS X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 18343 Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , 18343@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) Drew Adams writes: > By "allow font-lock to propertize parts of the buffer with this > property" do you mean allow it to propertize, with faces, parts > of the buffer that happen to have property `help-echo'? Or do > you mean allow it to add property `help-echo' parts of the buffer? > > If the latter, what is the use case for font-lock doing that? > > I'll assume you meant the former - No, the latter. As Eli suggested, see lisp-mode.el for examples. Or `font-lock-compile-keywords'. Michael. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun May 01 13:34:06 2016 Received: (at 18343) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 May 2016 17:34:06 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60907 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1awvFu-0003lx-Jr for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 01 May 2016 13:34:06 -0400 Received: from mout.web.de ([212.227.17.11]:57850) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1awvFt-0003lJ-7q for 18343@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 01 May 2016 13:34:05 -0400 Received: from drachen.dragon ([94.217.122.112]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb103) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0M73SD-1brTr32jXp-00wmW3; Sun, 01 May 2016 19:33:52 +0200 From: Michael Heerdegen To: Drew Adams Subject: Re: bug#18343: 24.4.50; REGRESSION: `help-echo' property is not added, so no tooltip or echo References: <73dcc1a9-eab9-4f13-be3a-8e8eea6a2e8b@default>> <83vbpcin5h.fsf@gnu.org>> <2c33a850-0b4a-4b87-b2e4-b662df4ed01e@default> <8760uzrz7j.fsf@gnus.org> <87a8k93fz7.fsf@web.de>> <6e92c530-40e9-462d-b0bf-46911ac4a103@default>> <83shy1n1t8.fsf@gnu.org>> Date: Sun, 01 May 2016 19:33:49 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Drew Adams's message of "Sun, 1 May 2016 10:22:05 -0700 (PDT)") Message-ID: <87mvo9wuma.fsf@web.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.93 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:SP06pFcOzHCzlihhg2MyvVhc5K+0HxYnwHqnJquzc/SouW3Fhtk cCgceEZBQVu0caeUdNlCTRBGoMvSzK/I3iMaVWMimtY5Cb4GC0NmBQR1UGC3/2VmYW3EoYn LYJBVPqul3CqyJnwjBVtdNtB2Y9pNbhg3IuDOwU/y1lkUhEENAgVZPwEv9YKmKOS32/qmkR iGooQPTfDwxw8VUNk8neg== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:TpFitjRK01s=:+4MdlTgMNlqfut0G6FAQov p8plL/NpgC0q3v59WoYKMRjPt7KjM+izbGdWWJLqOckSZ0T6OGjYQf8vNbJ4yy5MIKKskROT2 g2I+H8X2fjkWCdPLNQAhmmpwAkELoBOf9evVowHy/ODjOGq43dIsfursIdJCg84pmD5qPd+s+ dYtVzt/l8ova4UI2rUAzRLbJF9Lp10Tu9ISwZfaU2i/1MfivhME7gMBbbo7Fi0TtHRNzzhUSt mdEwCS+dsIFrN0St/7qOmYSZj83R/wSY9LOztkkMTfPaHee5H5YLghuY6YruHaSxR67bfAFRa pK0tJwhT5fL82/j+pumwlTCavvr2Cdiu7c1jixhzemeINgjPEAhmxSXU8pBeDK3VvgKl2/8YJ qmJLCWF6ddwkVbakNBL6MuwlXVOg5vi6Sew1JbEprqsQAqcoVquAaTNPq0j1TLbKg5+5Gpp3+ s2yck3+CslEKJXQaPzRoTeHGKhUPODtXKGYq+CkkC5y0b1NjV4tzR3wQh9V+p2uMSRlgeGyhC qq0pFq2fF78wyBdiJgViejw/JhG+JGeVydOle90ddiNP/li8tEc/+sfijUaLZaNdNmW5+yyTr GAJBSr30A9Hgpo9jq2CJKgWQyqbhwluEdtN3RQAE6iLiv3o2mUR6vMW3AzMso50+Y3PkTlUwW XIZd8B96RmV8L/6dE1E8BhtneUQQZqQYFfb60bwvydyXDSOZVDuP5ntmAzwWUib8ukr3BcUwP XZD1jy7hXB60n2iG+6FgBZspZjTfKPlWRRJqy1O2VbiuxYgB6wTZ5mLE6FOqg+yAiCWT1jsxz uak2SSr X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 18343 Cc: Eli Zaretskii , larsi@gnus.org, 18343@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) Drew Adams writes: > Too unclear. What part of that library do you think is > significant here? What's your point? Just grep for "help-echo", all matches are related in an obvious way (or don't you get matches with your version of the sources?). Michael. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun May 01 13:43:45 2016 Received: (at 18343) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 May 2016 17:43:45 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60922 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1awvPF-00040D-EY for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 01 May 2016 13:43:45 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:48705) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1awvPA-0003zx-Md for 18343@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 01 May 2016 13:43:44 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1awvOw-0007gs-DU for 18343@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 01 May 2016 13:43:32 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_05,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:56065) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1awvOw-0007g0-AO; Sun, 01 May 2016 13:43:26 -0400 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:2768 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1awvOo-0002pa-W2; Sun, 01 May 2016 13:43:19 -0400 Date: Sun, 01 May 2016 20:43:19 +0300 Message-Id: <83pot5n07c.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Drew Adams In-reply-to: (message from Drew Adams on Sun, 1 May 2016 10:22:05 -0700 (PDT)) Subject: Re: bug#18343: 24.4.50; REGRESSION: `help-echo' property is not added, so no tooltip or echo References: <<73dcc1a9-eab9-4f13-be3a-8e8eea6a2e8b@default>> <83vbpcin5h.fsf@gnu.org>> <2c33a850-0b4a-4b87-b2e4-b662df4ed01e@default> <8760uzrz7j.fsf@gnus.org> <87a8k93fz7.fsf@web.de>> <<6e92c530-40e9-462d-b0bf-46911ac4a103@default>> <<83shy1n1t8.fsf@gnu.org>> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -6.0 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 18343 Cc: michael_heerdegen@web.de, larsi@gnus.org, 18343@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.0 (------) > Date: Sun, 1 May 2016 10:22:05 -0700 (PDT) > From: Drew Adams > Cc: michael_heerdegen@web.de, larsi@gnus.org, 18343@debbugs.gnu.org > > > > Why not tell font-lock hands-off this property, which has nothing to > > > do with highlighting? > > > > See lisp-mode.el for one answer. > > Too unclear. What part of that library do you think is > significant here? What's your point? Search for help-echo, and you will see. > (And what does `help-echo' have to do with Lisp mode, > necessarily?) You will see. From unknown Mon Jun 16 23:48:58 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Mon, 30 May 2016 11:24:04 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator