From unknown Fri Aug 15 04:04:50 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#18340 <18340@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#18340 <18340@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: 24.4.50; Bad UI for `find-file-literally' Reply-To: bug#18340 <18340@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2025 11:04:50 +0000 retitle 18340 24.4.50; Bad UI for `find-file-literally' reassign 18340 emacs submitter 18340 Drew Adams severity 18340 normal tag 18340 moreinfo thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Aug 27 17:38:25 2014 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Aug 2014 21:38:25 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53904 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XMkvA-0005ys-Qt for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 27 Aug 2014 17:38:25 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:49756) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XMkv8-0005ye-5J for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 27 Aug 2014 17:38:22 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XMkus-0000ov-F1 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 27 Aug 2014 17:38:16 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:52282) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XMkus-0000or-CC for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 27 Aug 2014 17:38:06 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:51387) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XMkuj-0002MA-Da for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 27 Aug 2014 17:38:06 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XMkua-0000kY-Ny for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 27 Aug 2014 17:37:57 -0400 Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:47568) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XMkua-0000kR-GV for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 27 Aug 2014 17:37:48 -0400 Received: from acsinet21.oracle.com (acsinet21.oracle.com [141.146.126.237]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id s7RLbkB0030177 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2014 21:37:47 GMT Received: from aserz7021.oracle.com (aserz7021.oracle.com [141.146.126.230]) by acsinet21.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id s7RLbkXw022256 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2014 21:37:46 GMT Received: from abhmp0011.oracle.com (abhmp0011.oracle.com [141.146.116.17]) by aserz7021.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id s7RLbklR022247 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2014 21:37:46 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <9fd1f4c3-a944-4305-9eb5-9f3a877d1b8b@default> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2014 14:37:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 24.4.50; Bad UI for `find-file-literally' X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.8.2 (807160) [OL 12.0.6691.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: acsinet21.oracle.com [141.146.126.237] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x-2.6.x [generic] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) Summary: Don't show a multi-line message for prompting `y-or-n-p' in the echo area and expect users to see it. The UI for `find-file-literally' depends on `resize-mini-windows' being non-nil. Not a good idea. To see how bad it can be, set `resize-mini-windows' to nil, then visit a file, then try to visit it using `M-x find-file-literally'. You see only this line in the echo area, which is not even a question: The file foo.el is already visited normally. Huh? A user who sees that has no clue as to what is going on. Beyond this design being incredibly ill-advised in general, it breaks the use of a standalone minibuffer frame, for which `resize-mini-windows' has no effect. In my code, for example, I do this, where `'1on1-fit-minibuffer-frame' resizes the minibuffer frame to fit its current contents: (add-hook 'post-command-hook '1on1-fit-minibuffer-frame) That of course has no effect during `read-key', which is what is used by `y-or-n-p' (which is used by `find-file-literally'). `1on1-fit-minibuffer-frame' is also a command that increases the minibuffer frame height by a line when it is repeated. It is bound in the minibuffer to `C-o'. But of course that is ineffective for something like `y-or-n-p', which does not use the minibuffer. Please reimplement the multiple-line message and associated y-or-n question for `find-file-literally', so that the message part is visible somewhere outside of the echo area. Pop up a separate window for it, show it in a tooltip, or show it any number of other reasonable ways. In GNU Emacs 24.4.50.1 (i686-pc-mingw32) of 2014-08-15 on LEG570 Bzr revision: 117706 rgm@gnu.org-20140815043406-p5hbu97cbm7pulcn Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 6.1.7601 Configured using: `configure --enable-checking 'CFLAGS=3D-O0 -g3' CPPFLAGS=3D-DGLYPH_DEBUG= =3D1' From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue May 03 20:59:42 2016 Received: (at 18340) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 May 2016 00:59:42 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36159 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1axlAE-0004ZA-L8 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 03 May 2016 20:59:42 -0400 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:39552) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1axlAC-0004Z1-AB for 18340@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 03 May 2016 20:59:41 -0400 Received: from cm-84.215.1.64.getinternet.no ([84.215.1.64] helo=mouse) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1axlA8-00068p-O9; Wed, 04 May 2016 02:59:38 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Drew Adams Subject: Re: bug#18340: 24.4.50; Bad UI for `find-file-literally' References: <9fd1f4c3-a944-4305-9eb5-9f3a877d1b8b@default> Date: Wed, 04 May 2016 02:59:36 +0200 In-Reply-To: <9fd1f4c3-a944-4305-9eb5-9f3a877d1b8b@default> (Drew Adams's message of "Wed, 27 Aug 2014 14:37:45 -0700 (PDT)") Message-ID: <877ffazlhj.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 18340 Cc: 18340@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) Drew Adams writes: > Summary: Don't show a multi-line message for prompting `y-or-n-p' > in the echo area and expect users to see it. > > The UI for `find-file-literally' depends on `resize-mini-windows' being > non-nil. Not a good idea. To see how bad it can be, set > `resize-mini-windows' to nil, then visit a file, then try to visit it > using `M-x find-file-literally'. You see only this line in the echo > area, which is not even a question: > > The file foo.el is already visited normally. We should perhaps consider obsoleting `resize-mini-windows'. Emacs has many prompts now that don't make sense in a single line. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed May 04 10:47:51 2016 Received: (at 18340) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 May 2016 14:47:51 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37822 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1axy5b-0003dz-Ux for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2016 10:47:51 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:43392) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1axy5Y-0003dk-2b for 18340@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2016 10:47:47 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1axy5G-0006RE-42 for 18340@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2016 10:47:35 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_40,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:49459) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1axy5G-0006QP-1N; Wed, 04 May 2016 10:47:26 -0400 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:2144 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1axy59-0006UP-Oj; Wed, 04 May 2016 10:47:20 -0400 Date: Wed, 04 May 2016 17:47:26 +0300 Message-Id: <83futxkhhd.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Lars Ingebrigtsen In-reply-to: <877ffazlhj.fsf@gnus.org> (message from Lars Ingebrigtsen on Wed, 04 May 2016 02:59:36 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#18340: 24.4.50; Bad UI for `find-file-literally' References: <9fd1f4c3-a944-4305-9eb5-9f3a877d1b8b@default> <877ffazlhj.fsf@gnus.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -7.1 (-------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 18340 Cc: 18340@debbugs.gnu.org, drew.adams@oracle.com X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -7.1 (-------) > From: Lars Ingebrigtsen > Date: Wed, 04 May 2016 02:59:36 +0200 > Cc: 18340@debbugs.gnu.org > > Drew Adams writes: > > > Summary: Don't show a multi-line message for prompting `y-or-n-p' > > in the echo area and expect users to see it. > > > > The UI for `find-file-literally' depends on `resize-mini-windows' being > > non-nil. Not a good idea. To see how bad it can be, set > > `resize-mini-windows' to nil, then visit a file, then try to visit it > > using `M-x find-file-literally'. You see only this line in the echo > > area, which is not even a question: > > > > The file foo.el is already visited normally. > > We should perhaps consider obsoleting `resize-mini-windows'. Emacs has > many prompts now that don't make sense in a single line. Those prompts should bind resize-mini-windows non-nil. I don't understand the rest of the bug report, but the specific part about find-file-literally will be definitely fixed by that. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed May 04 11:05:16 2016 Received: (at 18340) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 May 2016 15:05:16 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37849 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1axyMW-00043y-GK for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2016 11:05:16 -0400 Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:38300) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1axyMU-00043i-86 for 18340@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2016 11:05:15 -0400 Received: from userv0022.oracle.com (userv0022.oracle.com [156.151.31.74]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id u44F57GH022602 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 4 May 2016 15:05:07 GMT Received: from aserv0121.oracle.com (aserv0121.oracle.com [141.146.126.235]) by userv0022.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u44F568p027959 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 4 May 2016 15:05:07 GMT Received: from abhmp0019.oracle.com (abhmp0019.oracle.com [141.146.116.25]) by aserv0121.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u44F55vk015430; Wed, 4 May 2016 15:05:06 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <79aed96d-c930-4bd0-9c88-94900191071a@default> Date: Wed, 4 May 2016 08:05:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams To: Eli Zaretskii , Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: RE: bug#18340: 24.4.50; Bad UI for `find-file-literally' References: <<9fd1f4c3-a944-4305-9eb5-9f3a877d1b8b@default>> <<877ffazlhj.fsf@gnus.org>> <<83futxkhhd.fsf@gnu.org>> In-Reply-To: <<83futxkhhd.fsf@gnu.org>> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9 (901082) [OL 12.0.6744.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: userv0022.oracle.com [156.151.31.74] X-Spam-Score: -4.4 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 18340 Cc: 18340@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -4.4 (----) > > We should perhaps consider obsoleting `resize-mini-windows'. Emacs has > > many prompts now that don't make sense in a single line. >=20 > Those prompts should bind resize-mini-windows non-nil. >=20 > I don't understand the rest of the bug report,=20 What don't you understand about it? (To quote a famous person.) > but the specific part about find-file-literally will be > definitely fixed by that. I don't think so. `resize-mini-windows' will do nothing for a standalone minibuffer. Again: "Don't show a multi-line message for prompting `y-or-n-p' in the echo area and expect users to see it." It is NOT a good idea to depend on `resize-mini-windows' showing all of a multi-line message. If the code _really_ needs to interact with the user using a multi-line message, then `y-or-n-p' is the _wrong_ way to ask the question. If users need to read multiple lines then hitting a single key to choose is probably not appropriate. This should be rethought, IMO. If the prompt cannot reasonably be a single line then some other interaction should be used. Do not just look for a way to force minibuffer-window resizing. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed May 04 11:24:05 2016 Received: (at 18340) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 May 2016 15:24:05 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37891 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1axyej-0004Ws-22 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2016 11:24:05 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:56639) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1axyei-0004WN-23 for 18340@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2016 11:24:04 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1axyeT-0001RA-H6 for 18340@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2016 11:23:55 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:50234) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1axyeT-0001Pi-F4; Wed, 04 May 2016 11:23:49 -0400 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:2197 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1axyeN-0005XP-Ai; Wed, 04 May 2016 11:23:43 -0400 Date: Wed, 04 May 2016 18:23:51 +0300 Message-Id: <83y47pj188.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Drew Adams In-reply-to: <79aed96d-c930-4bd0-9c88-94900191071a@default> (message from Drew Adams on Wed, 4 May 2016 08:05:04 -0700 (PDT)) Subject: Re: bug#18340: 24.4.50; Bad UI for `find-file-literally' References: <<9fd1f4c3-a944-4305-9eb5-9f3a877d1b8b@default>> <<877ffazlhj.fsf@gnus.org>> <<83futxkhhd.fsf@gnu.org>> <79aed96d-c930-4bd0-9c88-94900191071a@default> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -7.1 (-------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 18340 Cc: 18340@debbugs.gnu.org, larsi@gnus.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -7.1 (-------) > Date: Wed, 4 May 2016 08:05:04 -0700 (PDT) > From: Drew Adams > Cc: 18340@debbugs.gnu.org > > > > We should perhaps consider obsoleting `resize-mini-windows'. Emacs has > > > many prompts now that don't make sense in a single line. > > > > Those prompts should bind resize-mini-windows non-nil. > > > > I don't understand the rest of the bug report, > > What don't you understand about it? I understood nothing beyond the example with resize-mini-windows and a normal frame which has a minibuffer. > > but the specific part about find-file-literally will be > > definitely fixed by that. > > I don't think so. `resize-mini-windows' will do nothing for a > standalone minibuffer. Please show a recipe, as I didn't understand the problem. Repeating what you said the first time doesn't help. > Again: "Don't show a multi-line message for prompting `y-or-n-p' in > the echo area and expect users to see it." Please let us judge what would be the best solution for problems. > It is NOT a good idea to depend on `resize-mini-windows' showing > all of a multi-line message. You contradict yourself: above you said that the value of resize-mini-windows doesn't necessarily help. > If the code _really_ needs to interact with the user using a > multi-line message, then `y-or-n-p' is the _wrong_ way to ask > the question. If users need to read multiple lines then hitting > a single key to choose is probably not appropriate. I don't think I agree. I see no reason to treat single-line and multi-line prompts differently, not without a good reason. The fact that there's more than one line doesn't cut it. > This should be rethought, IMO. If the prompt cannot reasonably > be a single line then some other interaction should be used. > Do not just look for a way to force minibuffer-window resizing. Once again, please don't dictate solutions for problems. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Oct 10 18:31:08 2021 Received: (at 18340) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Oct 2021 22:31:08 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55998 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mZhLX-0005C1-RP for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 10 Oct 2021 18:31:08 -0400 Received: from mail-pj1-f49.google.com ([209.85.216.49]:52068) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mZhLS-0005BB-Ad for 18340@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 10 Oct 2021 18:31:06 -0400 Received: by mail-pj1-f49.google.com with SMTP id kk10so11783649pjb.1 for <18340@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 10 Oct 2021 15:31:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:user-agent :mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=WCHLKWAJLlEzqL1vxuqnPy2rK6R5m7v53tVc0yUgYJc=; b=B/NI42BXAXVGXxqXKaMLEC7Lqaf6oWmRQpU8FO3ldnauii0HD5iufWuHlkkvRX9MDH Hu4SEKyJW+OxHErs9LAp4D5GwuZJvmRx+SjDegYW1Bnzg2CATMQtzoW7rChXSF5Q0fpO vGXqzohEjKFrDcuuGBTcauHEXGgNg/ta9W44QIfQD3zAQM/7XA9acgL8rOAywoaxbqJ4 Q0r0W3KqQW2kxGpKu8jgM20KqHIckLYCNTmAudvppHvR4JBUGJE5k2pz6rL38khog85J 8O+2DjGbm01x+ujOissHkh/OGAdwgOKKWxxfKXF298by3LNQkdZxe0mOwQEVi099Zinn qwsA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533V21IkDD7PHwYr7uFgESTwKLB2e5r3H68pxtZME7Xm2C3XqK8c +zCfU9hUaQn54a1i2tJvBFOkjemAgPjQmfkwRIY= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwVHLBuKqGVydBXXSYL/gcFLHV0qfeBYjcPUHRqwvHZLG9VbjnkO4yzHLgux1mloUSImHQkGZDQlUjeOHK3ddE= X-Received: by 2002:a17:90a:5583:: with SMTP id c3mr25460325pji.133.1633905056652; Sun, 10 Oct 2021 15:30:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Sun, 10 Oct 2021 15:30:56 -0700 From: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: <9fd1f4c3-a944-4305-9eb5-9f3a877d1b8b@default> (Drew Adams's message of "Wed, 27 Aug 2014 14:37:45 -0700 (PDT)") References: <9fd1f4c3-a944-4305-9eb5-9f3a877d1b8b@default> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.60 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2021 15:30:56 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#18340: 24.4.50; Bad UI for `find-file-literally' To: Drew Adams Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 18340 Cc: 18340@debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) tags 18340 + moreinfo thanks Drew Adams writes: > Summary: Don't show a multi-line message for prompting `y-or-n-p' > in the echo area and expect users to see it. > > The UI for `find-file-literally' depends on `resize-mini-windows' being > non-nil. Not a good idea. To see how bad it can be, set > `resize-mini-windows' to nil, then visit a file, then try to visit it > using `M-x find-file-literally'. You see only this line in the echo > area, which is not even a question: > > The file foo.el is already visited normally. > > Huh? A user who sees that has no clue as to what is going on. Eli Zaretskii writes: > Please show a recipe, as I didn't understand the problem. I also don't understand the problem. I tried doing the above steps with (setq resize-mini-windows nil) and I don't see anything that is different from when it is t. Could we have a recipe to reproduce this issue? 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11 Oct 2021 06:46:47 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56266 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mZp5D-0003Go-7w for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 11 Oct 2021 02:46:47 -0400 Received: from relay4-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.196]:40579) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mZp57-0003GW-Sz for 18340@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 11 Oct 2021 02:46:45 -0400 Received: (Authenticated sender: juri@linkov.net) by relay4-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E8A5DE0009; Mon, 11 Oct 2021 06:46:33 +0000 (UTC) From: Juri Linkov To: Stefan Kangas Subject: Re: bug#18340: 24.4.50; Bad UI for `find-file-literally' Organization: LINKOV.NET References: <9fd1f4c3-a944-4305-9eb5-9f3a877d1b8b@default> Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2021 09:17:06 +0300 In-Reply-To: (Stefan Kangas's message of "Sun, 10 Oct 2021 15:30:56 -0700") Message-ID: <87czocm5il.fsf@mail.linkov.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 18340 Cc: 18340@debbugs.gnu.org, Drew Adams X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) >> Summary: Don't show a multi-line message for prompting `y-or-n-p' >> in the echo area and expect users to see it. >... > > Could we have a recipe to reproduce this issue? This is already fixed in Emacs 28 where this prompt is not multi-line anymore (commit 0a8cd0116204354e95fbb4ebde64c58123502aa2 from bug#5423). From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Oct 11 07:41:31 2021 Received: (at 18340) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Oct 2021 11:41:31 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56771 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mZtgQ-0004wF-Rt for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 11 Oct 2021 07:41:31 -0400 Received: from mail-pj1-f52.google.com ([209.85.216.52]:42502) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mZtgP-0004vu-2P for 18340@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 11 Oct 2021 07:41:29 -0400 Received: by mail-pj1-f52.google.com with SMTP id nn3-20020a17090b38c300b001a03bb6c4ebso10777328pjb.1 for <18340@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 11 Oct 2021 04:41:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=i4+R3mJQgCrdES0Ie3fir0za2VxMaRLZixXdnJkXnMc=; b=XOaOXFZKZwWSqBh58VfvodRe2VTNmYQUkj9IKJD7uQcmgySVKida/3E3fvAhh2MDK8 PVfvraE71n0ZsmLS4vPiKLPDRQHTIKsbqQbGC48a/EvJWVe95Rt2hEfm9MWHHSx7XPpC Ir4dbanINPsMVzSgUJGx7zaIgX7H/Xaz5HERL7KzWV7qXtTjlVSW65YnYd1Ty2c936yS 4RjTq52wtNHNK93I+jLilTCISSdpq1GHj4gIUy/ua+DSm5qNLuhQEaR0poPcV9Jg4RO9 plzUxz6WcG39jS2FHD3t3R1rslGDfSZfDZYTNDUx3HlIBLayZrmvEF7yi7E2VJWGuaYi SYtw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533+asCkeuOclwL0BWTESnTBwcmEzeCx9YTXyfQaUpQAW0ShEiRt +paWUF6CxH/BgiBlVBhWt7Ky1mvIjVaWEZbFt7Q= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJw41jpcuidZ33R5vD4ct5svxYxHuwdD1/u0uVL2J8P0ZDSFZnkecqBvOsnNEMpgrXL+dNIwKjvVZ0Q5gcoXsU0= X-Received: by 2002:a17:90a:460a:: with SMTP id w10mr30220711pjg.132.1633952483219; Mon, 11 Oct 2021 04:41:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Mon, 11 Oct 2021 04:41:22 -0700 From: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: <87czocm5il.fsf@mail.linkov.net> References: <9fd1f4c3-a944-4305-9eb5-9f3a877d1b8b@default> <87czocm5il.fsf@mail.linkov.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2021 04:41:22 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#18340: 24.4.50; Bad UI for `find-file-literally' To: Juri Linkov Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 18340 Cc: 18340@debbugs.gnu.org, Drew Adams X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) unarchive 5423 forcemerge 5423 18340 thanks Juri Linkov writes: >>> Summary: Don't show a multi-line message for prompting `y-or-n-p' >>> in the echo area and expect users to see it. >>... >> >> Could we have a recipe to reproduce this issue? > > This is already fixed in Emacs 28 where this prompt is not multi-line > anymore (commit 0a8cd0116204354e95fbb4ebde64c58123502aa2 from bug#5423). Right. I'm merging the bug reports, so that this one is also closed. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Oct 11 07:57:46 2021 Received: (at 18340) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Oct 2021 11:57:46 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56824 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mZtwA-0007ZN-Lv for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 11 Oct 2021 07:57:46 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:33896) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mZtw8-0007Z8-78 for 18340@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 11 Oct 2021 07:57:46 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:50888) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mZtw1-0008PK-LZ; Mon, 11 Oct 2021 07:57:38 -0400 Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=1469 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mZtw0-0001Fw-Ny; Mon, 11 Oct 2021 07:57:37 -0400 Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2021 14:57:25 +0300 Message-Id: <83h7dnrcyi.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Drew Adams In-Reply-To: (message from Drew Adams on Mon, 11 Oct 2021 01:06:09 +0000) Subject: Re: [External] : Re: bug#18340: 24.4.50; Bad UI for `find-file-literally' References: <9fd1f4c3-a944-4305-9eb5-9f3a877d1b8b@default> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 18340 Cc: 18340@debbugs.gnu.org, stefan@marxist.se X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Drew Adams > CC: "18340@debbugs.gnu.org" <18340@debbugs.gnu.org>, > Eli Zaretskii > > Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2021 01:06:09 +0000 > > (setq resize-mini-windows nil) > > C-x C-f foo.el > > M-x find-file-literally RET foo.el RET > > Do you want to revisit the file literally now? (y or n) y > > You can run the command ‘find-file-literally’ with M-x f-f-l RET > > The file foo.el is already visited normally. > _______ > > That's all you see. It's not understandable (to > me). However, if I go look in *Messages* I see > this additional text, which was not visible > because `resize-mini-windows' is nil: This problem doesn't exist in Emacs 28, so the issue was resolved. From unknown Fri Aug 15 04:04:50 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2021 12:24:05 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator