From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Aug 12 17:26:48 2014 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Aug 2014 21:26:49 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41137 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XHJai-0003d4-2Z for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 12 Aug 2014 17:26:48 -0400 Received: from mail-qg0-f48.google.com ([209.85.192.48]:41127) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XHJag-0003cs-6v for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 12 Aug 2014 17:26:46 -0400 Received: by mail-qg0-f48.google.com with SMTP id i50so10117686qgf.35 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2014 14:26:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:user-agent:mime-version :content-type; bh=nBuNsAdncyw1c3M3xw2L9DiCIV8ceHx17cJUMD/YK1U=; b=TjBlqXsaEsjpDkoeqdHfsjhhePNLNoohnVz/Ctwm9fJ1cSv9LMynI2+fnLIMtATcXz tZ8Yq0XjUpaR2Q62bhbA7En2IXgUSj8VmVZePYWSXLV4Flv+HyU3Bnkl0NCfimVkwF5e DDdeN/rx/Uugn/BgGI614CPtNFWBBxuWRvTWSwcrGZk6Ak1Db41Uu2bp5CvWXqSN2e8M 06OktNpGPHTioNzNoTHxoqMDKrT4vXfSekr+3kmBHmrnHq8T7jmStCqlr0Fs5hd55kWM GKoiK7cR33PWOKEzE7YXfoRUTiZhyjG0sqv+rt/Zk4fFcpy4leQrRwfHwjfdmZ9TI4fR r+vg== X-Received: by 10.140.101.86 with SMTP id t80mr324926qge.91.1407878800749; Tue, 12 Aug 2014 14:26:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from carlos ([190.216.58.35]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id w38sm18822395qgd.17.2014.08.12.14.26.38 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 12 Aug 2014 14:26:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Carlos Pita To: submit@debbugs.gnu.org (The Gnus Bugfixing Girls + Boys) Subject: Selecting a group with RET vs gnus-thread-hide-subtree X-Debbugs-Version: 5.13 X-Debbugs-Package: gnus Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2014 18:41:19 -0300 Message-ID: <84r40lfksg.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.92 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) Selecting with RET is supposed not to select any article in the summary buffer. Nevertheless, if the first article in the summary is an unseen/unread article belonging to a thread, then that thread is expanded, even if gnus-thread-hide-subtree is t. To make things more confusing, the little > at the left fringe is shown in the last article of the summary, not the first. I think a more sensible behavior is: 1) Show the > at the article SPACE (as opposed to RET) would have selected, but without really selecting it. 2) Don't expand any thread at all (that is, when selecting the group with RET). Implementing just 1 will be a second best at least, because one can interpret this behavior as kinda "selecting without showing". But the current behavior is misleading: nothing seems to be selected, but there is an arrow pointing to the last article, despite the point is in the first one and the first thread is expanded => pretty messy. Best regards -- Carlos Gnus v5.13 GNU Emacs 24.3.92.1 (i686-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.12.2) of 2014-07-22 on carlos 200 news.gmane.org InterNetNews NNRP server INN 2.5.1 ready (posting ok) 100 Legal commands ARTICLE [message-ID|number] AUTHINFO USER name|PASS password|GENERIC program [argument ...] BODY [message-ID|number] CAPABILITIES [keyword] DATE GROUP newsgroup HDR header [message-ID|range] HEAD [message-ID|number] HELP IHAVE message-ID LAST LIST [ACTIVE [wildmat]|ACTIVE.TIMES [wildmat]|DISTRIB.PATS|DISTRIBUTIONS|HEADERS [MSGID|RANGE]|MODERATORS|MOTD|NEWSGROUPS [wildmat]|OVERVIEW.FMT|SUBSCRIPTIONS] LISTGROUP [newsgroup [range]] MODE READER NEWGROUPS [yy]yymmdd hhmmss [GMT] NEWNEWS wildmat [yy]yymmdd hhmmss [GMT] NEXT OVER [range] POST QUIT STARTTLS STAT [message-ID|number] XGTITLE [wildmat] XHDR header [message-ID|range] XOVER [range] XPAT header message-ID|range pattern [pattern ...] Report problems to . . 382 Begin TLS negotiation now 100 Legal commands ARTICLE [message-ID|number] AUTHINFO USER name|PASS password|GENERIC program [argument ...] BODY [message-ID|number] CAPABILITIES [keyword] DATE GROUP newsgroup HDR header [message-ID|range] HEAD [message-ID|number] HELP IHAVE message-ID LAST LIST [ACTIVE [wildmat]|ACTIVE.TIMES [wildmat]|DISTRIB.PATS|DISTRIBUTIONS|HEADERS [MSGID|RANGE]|MODERATORS|MOTD|NEWSGROUPS [wildmat]|OVERVIEW.FMT|SUBSCRIPTIONS] LISTGROUP [newsgroup [range]] MODE READER NEWGROUPS [yy]yymmdd hhmmss [GMT] NEWNEWS wildmat [yy]yymmdd hhmmss [GMT] NEXT OVER [range] POST QUIT STARTTLS STAT [message-ID|number] XGTITLE [wildmat] XHDR header [message-ID|range] XOVER [range] XPAT header message-ID|range pattern [pattern ...] Report problems to . . From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Jan 25 14:14:02 2017 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Jan 2017 19:14:02 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43358 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cWT18-0004Ob-3A for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 25 Jan 2017 14:14:02 -0500 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:43744) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cWT15-0004OF-4b for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 25 Jan 2017 14:14:00 -0500 Received: from 2.150.50.220.tmi.telenormobil.no ([2.150.50.220] helo=mouse) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cWT12-0000Yn-BD for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 25 Jan 2017 20:13:58 +0100 Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2017 20:13:50 +0100 Message-Id: <874m0nnea9.fsf@gnus.org> To: control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: control message for bug #18255 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) reassign 18255 emacs,gnus From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Jan 25 14:15:39 2017 Received: (at 18255) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Jan 2017 19:15:39 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43373 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cWT2h-0004Rl-8r for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 25 Jan 2017 14:15:39 -0500 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:43783) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cWT2f-0004Rd-Ii for 18255@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 25 Jan 2017 14:15:38 -0500 Received: from 2.150.50.220.tmi.telenormobil.no ([2.150.50.220] helo=mouse) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cWT2b-0007TS-OR; Wed, 25 Jan 2017 20:15:36 +0100 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Carlos Pita Subject: Re: bug#18255: Selecting a group with RET vs gnus-thread-hide-subtree References: <84r40lfksg.fsf@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2017 20:15:27 +0100 In-Reply-To: <84r40lfksg.fsf@gmail.com> (Carlos Pita's message of "Tue, 12 Aug 2014 18:41:19 -0300") Message-ID: <87ziiflzn4.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 18255 Cc: 18255@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) Carlos Pita writes: > Selecting with RET is supposed not to select any article in the summary > buffer. Nevertheless, if the first article in the summary is an > unseen/unread article belonging to a thread, then that thread is > expanded, even if gnus-thread-hide-subtree is t. To make things more > confusing, the little > at the left fringe is shown in the last article > of the summary, not the first. I've never noticed that thing in the fringe. :-) What sets it? > I think a more sensible behavior is: > > 1) Show the > at the article SPACE (as opposed to RET) would have > selected, but without really selecting it. > > 2) Don't expand any thread at all (that is, when selecting the group > with RET). > > Implementing just 1 will be a second best at least, because one can > interpret this behavior as kinda "selecting without showing". But the > current behavior is misleading: nothing seems to be selected, but there > is an arrow pointing to the last article, despite the point is in the > first one and the first thread is expanded => pretty messy. Yes, I think 2) makes most sense. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Jan 25 14:33:57 2017 Received: (at 18255) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Jan 2017 19:33:57 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43384 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cWTKN-0006Z8-3p for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 25 Jan 2017 14:33:56 -0500 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:44010) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cWTKH-0006Yv-Hc for 18255@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 25 Jan 2017 14:33:53 -0500 Received: from 2.150.50.220.tmi.telenormobil.no ([2.150.50.220] helo=mouse) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cWTKC-0007ji-Dz; Wed, 25 Jan 2017 20:33:48 +0100 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Carlos Pita Subject: Re: bug#18255: Selecting a group with RET vs gnus-thread-hide-subtree References: <84r40lfksg.fsf@gmail.com> <87ziiflzn4.fsf@gnus.org> Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2017 20:33:38 +0100 In-Reply-To: <87ziiflzn4.fsf@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Wed, 25 Jan 2017 20:15:27 +0100") Message-ID: <87pojblyst.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 18255 Cc: 18255@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > Carlos Pita writes: > >> Selecting with RET is supposed not to select any article in the summary >> buffer. Nevertheless, if the first article in the summary is an >> unseen/unread article belonging to a thread, then that thread is >> expanded, even if gnus-thread-hide-subtree is t. To make things more >> confusing, the little > at the left fringe is shown in the last article >> of the summary, not the first. > > I've never noticed that thing in the fringe. :-) What sets it? Found it. Fixed. >> I think a more sensible behavior is: >> >> 1) Show the > at the article SPACE (as opposed to RET) would have >> selected, but without really selecting it. >> >> 2) Don't expand any thread at all (that is, when selecting the group >> with RET). I think the problem with 2) is when there's an unread article in the first thread, but there are some read older articles... we want to put point on the first unread article, but to do that we have to expand the thread. In general. So on second thought I'm not sure we want to do that. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Jan 25 14:34:05 2017 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Jan 2017 19:34:05 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43389 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cWTKX-0006Zs-0k for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 25 Jan 2017 14:34:05 -0500 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:44025) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cWTKU-0006Zj-SE for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 25 Jan 2017 14:34:03 -0500 Received: from 2.150.50.220.tmi.telenormobil.no ([2.150.50.220] helo=mouse) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cWTKS-0000T5-Lt for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 25 Jan 2017 20:34:02 +0100 Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2017 20:33:55 +0100 Message-Id: <87o9yvlysc.fsf@gnus.org> To: control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: control message for bug #18255 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) tags 18255 fixed close 18255 From unknown Sat Jun 21 10:41:01 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. 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