From unknown Sat Jun 21 12:17:57 2025 X-Loop: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com Subject: bug#1819: Anyone knows why the majority of windowed proggies launched from an emacs shell doesn't show until the shell buffer is killed? [MSWindows] Reply-To: macross84@ozu.es, 1819@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-From: macross84@ozu.es Resent-To: bug-submit-list@lists.donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs Resent-Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 20:05:05 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-Emacs-PR-Message: report 1819 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B.123135817230972 (code B ref -1); Wed, 07 Jan 2009 20:05:05 +0000 Received: (at submit) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 7 Jan 2009 19:56:12 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. 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[MSWindows] Try M-x shell notepad Doesn't show anything on the computers I've tried until C-x k -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------------------- Busca, compara... pero busca con OZ=DA Desc=FAbrelo en http://buscar.ozu.es -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------------------- Correo enviado desde http://www.ozu.es From rgm@gnu.org Wed Jan 7 20:43:21 2009 Received: (at control) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 8 Jan 2009 04:43:21 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. 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[MSWindows] Reply-To: Jason Rumney , 1819@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-From: Jason Rumney Original-Sender: Jason Rumney Resent-To: bug-submit-list@lists.donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs , owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 12:45:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 1819 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs,w32 X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B.123141819624109 (code B ref -1); Thu, 08 Jan 2009 12:45:02 +0000 Received: (at submit) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 8 Jan 2009 12:36:36 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. 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([124.13.5.7]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id y3sm1039650tia.0.2009.01.08.04.36.24 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 08 Jan 2009 04:36:26 -0800 (PST) Sender: Jason Rumney Message-ID: <4965F32D.6090308@gnu.org> Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 20:35:57 +0800 From: Jason Rumney User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: macross84@ozu.es, 1819@debbugs.gnu.org CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org References: <10537.80.58.205.50.1231358163.squirrel@correo.ozu.es> In-Reply-To: <10537.80.58.205.50.1231358163.squirrel@correo.ozu.es> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) macross84@ozu.es wrote: > Anyone knows why the majority of windowed applications launched from an > emacs shell doesn't show until the shell buffer is killed? [MSWindows] > > Try M-x shell notepad > > Doesn't show anything on the computers I've tried until C-x k > Can you reproduce this starting from "emacs -Q" at the command line? What version of Emacs is it? Please paste the text from M-x report-emacs-bug. From unknown Sat Jun 21 12:17:57 2025 X-Loop: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com Subject: bug#1819: Anyone knows why the majority of windowed proggies launched from an emacs shell doesn't show until the shell buffer is killed? [MSWindows] Reply-To: "Lennart Borgman" , 1819@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-From: "Lennart Borgman" Resent-To: bug-submit-list@lists.donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs , owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 14:10:03 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 1819 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs,w32 X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B.123142329013056 (code B ref -1); Thu, 08 Jan 2009 14:10:03 +0000 Received: (at submit) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 8 Jan 2009 14:01:30 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. 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[MSWindows] >> >> Try M-x shell notepad >> >> Doesn't show anything on the computers I've tried until C-x k >> > > Can you reproduce this starting from "emacs -Q" at the command line? > > What version of Emacs is it? Please paste the text from M-x > report-emacs-bug. I have no problem reproducing this with an unpatched Emacs from 2009-01-04. From unknown Sat Jun 21 12:17:57 2025 X-Loop: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com Subject: bug#1819: Anyone knows why the majority of windowed proggies launched from an emacs shell doesn't show until the shell buffer is killed? [MSWindows] Reply-To: Jason Rumney , 1819@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-From: Jason Rumney Original-Sender: Jason Rumney Resent-To: bug-submit-list@lists.donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs , owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 13:15:03 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 1819 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs,w32 X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B.123228411121467 (code B ref -1); Sun, 18 Jan 2009 13:15:03 +0000 Received: (at submit) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 18 Jan 2009 13:08:31 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. 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([115.132.148.221]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d7sm3487867tib.37.2009.01.18.05.08.21 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 18 Jan 2009 05:08:22 -0800 (PST) Sender: Jason Rumney Message-ID: <497329A7.6030306@gnu.org> Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 21:07:51 +0800 From: Jason Rumney User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: macross84@ozu.es, 1819@debbugs.gnu.org CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org References: <10537.80.58.205.50.1231358163.squirrel@correo.ozu.es> In-Reply-To: <10537.80.58.205.50.1231358163.squirrel@correo.ozu.es> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-CrossAssassin-Score: 2 macross84@ozu.es wrote: > Anyone knows why the majority of windowed applications launched from an > emacs shell doesn't show until the shell buffer is killed? [MSWindows] > > Try M-x shell notepad > > Doesn't show anything on the computers I've tried until C-x k > Strange, I couldn't reproduce this when I first tried, but now I can reproduce it every time on Emacs 21.3, 22.3 and CVS trunk. Perhaps it was a recent OS patch that caused this behaviour. It does not even seem to be linked to the fact that the shell window is hidden, as changing w32-start-process-show-window does not improve the problem. From unknown Sat Jun 21 12:17:57 2025 X-Loop: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com Subject: bug#1819: Anyone knows why the majority of windowed proggies launched from an emacs shell doesn't show until the shell buffer is killed? 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X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.1 required=4.0 tests=FOURLA autolearn=no version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from web112616.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (web112616.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.137.27.196]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with SMTP id n9J33iiP013021 for <1819@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Sun, 18 Oct 2009 20:03:45 -0700 Received: (qmail 33580 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Oct 2009 03:03:38 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ymail.com; s=s1024; t=1255921418; bh=iUfZtObCI3gjFag3lsbzA9yjEvP3eLA9l+T2PBabunk=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=BOYhLflek2+9H/6zu4gWlLnRrMqQ1g5q0V5BGXtbmtVPmn+pJp80WtMqM/6+DxnVYO2gQVynBdsqvvyE3u6uxqOMhBLOE/prJ/yjNLRavdVLBuqlcbjmtYUpZDyQK4uw0lYg2gmSHH5SIyTvd2HPNlm81MOdg+5HNYsc8G9RY6c= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=ymail.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Q1ICQyyBERP9QS20OmjPrAd8hcNdn0HwyOMCvuV424C5jb9e/Ccr/MO9y5qiQp/XYbXEfRFlBvBrt4S7Nl6nNUjsf4D5OOqOlXuONMlJAmmr8eov0eJwl711GaCbnJjHBpWUtmgpRaUBd2VjRFIMHjhbcKOce8ka32yeYOoHW6A=; Message-ID: <701274.27965.qm@web112616.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: Nkj1MSIVM1kEebf2PFkHDJNJKTNpf_MqPlu4UwCOpCu6uOkDW4QFg6zh8c_08vx.syrmYkG8ek_Yj59K4Z4A1R3qnChjNlp3p3UuHG3pXj3CirV_hpv2iO6KCdxdV9G3fC.gNaqmGtsbC4n13nbo_dcOlVZTipkej7DYaJcJvTOTn3xwUl7iRGtgHX1H6elJmgK4uCUNj52eymdhvW8F54hHD683YN.Bs7hi8bt4JRjBOWopE6KI51ljmK78VabQsMMTyNeKsDLosdgew5Ka5fKst7QlsqD4thomBDII7CCC9DuIEnkspZLXOWg- Received: from [202.3.120.9] by web112616.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 18 Oct 2009 20:03:38 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/182.10 YahooMailWebService/0.7.347.3 Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 20:03:38 -0700 (PDT) From: dhruva To: 1819@debbugs.gnu.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello,=0A I did some further testing. Not conclusive though but enough to g= ive good leads.=0A=0Ashell>notepad=0AYou do not see the notepad window show= ing up (as reported)=0A=0Ashell>[return]=0Ashell>[return]=0Ashell>[return]= =0Ashell>[return]=0A=0AAnd you see the notepad window coming up after exact= ly 4 CR presses! Somewhere, it is expecting CRLF combinations I guess.. som= e comint?=0A=0AFor records, this works as expected:=0A(comint-exec (current= -buffer) "notepad" "notepad.exe" nil nil)=0A=0A-dhruva=0A=0A=0A Yahoo!= India has a new look. Take a sneak peek http://in.yahoo.com/trynew From unknown Sat Jun 21 12:17:57 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#1819: Anyone knows why the majority of windowed proggies launched from an emacs shell doesn't show until the shell buffer is killed? [MSWindows] Resent-From: Juanma Barranquero Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2011 22:24:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 1819 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs,w32 X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Jason Rumney Cc: macross84@ozu.es, 1819@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 1819-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B1819.131007742725691 (code B ref 1819); Thu, 07 Jul 2011 22:24:02 +0000 Received: (at 1819) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Jul 2011 22:23:47 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qewz4-0006gK-OR for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 Jul 2011 18:23:47 -0400 Received: from mail-pv0-f172.google.com ([74.125.83.172]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qewz2-0006g5-9i for 1819@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 Jul 2011 18:23:44 -0400 Received: by pvh18 with SMTP id 18so839871pvh.3 for <1819@debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 07 Jul 2011 15:23:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=g8/hiry1D6XDNz7et5qJ5VyZUYN7TNbKmOOsirlAyLI=; b=jfaPRPbjV897sJocl+6GcUG9zhfiFhuf0V4iT4gBB9nvd1bTzzkRzqNOygTdxA4RqE IVhv68usv1Fk1Hvj/xmdGM6UZ5IuJA2l3bBvNrba09tNX0aCeHNQCD8/pSKgjor7bOlh 7hpSV+iDkw/CYc3glljZ9I0eKgQRgl9TOzrXo= Received: by 10.143.18.21 with SMTP id v21mr146556wfi.24.1310077418213; Thu, 07 Jul 2011 15:23:38 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.144.4 with HTTP; Thu, 7 Jul 2011 15:22:58 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <497329A7.6030306@gnu.org> References: <10537.80.58.205.50.1231358163.squirrel@correo.ozu.es> <497329A7.6030306@gnu.org> From: Juanma Barranquero Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 00:22:58 +0200 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -3.4 (---) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.4 (---) On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 14:07, Jason Rumney wrote: > Strange, I couldn't reproduce this when I first tried, but now I can > reproduce it every time on Emacs 21.3, 22.3 and CVS trunk. Is the problem still reproducible? M-x shell notepad works as expected for me. =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Juanma From unknown Sat Jun 21 12:17:57 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#1819: Anyone knows why the majority of windowed proggies launched from an emacs shell doesn't show until the shell buffer is killed? [MSWindows] Resent-From: Jason Rumney Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2011 15:31:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 1819 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs,w32 X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Juanma Barranquero Cc: macross84@ozu.es, 1819@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 1819-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B1819.131013901410118 (code B ref 1819); Fri, 08 Jul 2011 15:31:01 +0000 Received: (at 1819) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Jul 2011 15:30:14 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QfD0P-0002d9-UU for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 08 Jul 2011 11:30:14 -0400 Received: from mail-pv0-f172.google.com ([74.125.83.172]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QfD0O-0002cf-HP for 1819@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 08 Jul 2011 11:30:13 -0400 Received: by pvh18 with SMTP id 18so1328883pvh.3 for <1819@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 08 Jul 2011 08:30:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=sender:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=l5gMa8FD6zdXDfSqxylahJLz/m5Aqw9SDOetcwB+4aY=; b=SEs/6/tmQLfxcULt159LSp7aVw2s4KpS0/BtD7Y9T46g55VRyfJPKZrmiM5UeVOKnY DxXMaOBf9PWz8sH0ZiMQRM2EIsU/iLnHHLQhNHzFm+KoRq3PcT4ahU/abYwJoONKWqYK 3R3GOHbvkwGZ0V9TQ4CaeKRvjoogWp6hViZjk= Received: by 10.68.3.134 with SMTP id c6mr2958485pbc.519.1310139006419; Fri, 08 Jul 2011 08:30:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from home.jasonrumney.net ([180.75.18.65]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p7sm4513929pbn.33.2011.07.08.08.30.02 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 08 Jul 2011 08:30:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by home.jasonrumney.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 8045DC4F; Fri, 8 Jul 2011 23:29:57 +0800 (MYT) From: Jason Rumney References: <10537.80.58.205.50.1231358163.squirrel@correo.ozu.es> <497329A7.6030306@gnu.org> Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2011 23:29:56 +0800 In-Reply-To: (Juanma Barranquero's message of "Fri, 8 Jul 2011 00:22:58 +0200") Message-ID: <8739igoknf.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -3.6 (---) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.6 (---) Juanma Barranquero writes: > On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 14:07, Jason Rumney wrote: > >> Strange, I couldn't reproduce this when I first tried, but now I can >> reproduce it every time on Emacs 21.3, 22.3 and CVS trunk. > > Is the problem still reproducible? > > M-x shell > notepad > > works as expected for me. It works as expected for me now on Vista with CVS trunk. But I don't think this was the configuration I reproduced it on originally. From unknown Sat Jun 21 12:17:57 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#1819: Anyone knows why the majority of windowed proggies launched from an emacs shell doesn't show until the shell buffer is killed? [MSWindows] Resent-From: Juanma Barranquero Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2011 15:51:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 1819 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs,w32 X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Jason Rumney Cc: macross84@ozu.es, 1819@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 1819-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B1819.131014024812020 (code B ref 1819); Fri, 08 Jul 2011 15:51:01 +0000 Received: (at 1819) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Jul 2011 15:50:48 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QfDKK-00037o-7k for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 08 Jul 2011 11:50:48 -0400 Received: from mail-pw0-f44.google.com ([209.85.160.44]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QfDKI-00037c-E4 for 1819@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 08 Jul 2011 11:50:47 -0400 Received: by pwj5 with SMTP id 5so1327652pwj.3 for <1819@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 08 Jul 2011 08:50:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=+bIi5CX1RW0J1m0mg9IjYAaWJoW03gaw+1FU+zHh8zU=; b=ofqWMMfgVvDy1VbSLgvhf4BXVoQXqlbnhz1Ba437rY43AlCKye4QPkPNzkzK22dJKe aeLlKBPmtFJ/J9/5NgrCuj3JcumhEuZSDsyctyjv9UTW5tzyfao7LXy6NdVWcSy8XtfR a3bG2OmFD7zr3PRXeCghgTpSjDFxARkqRtAQg= Received: by 10.68.29.163 with SMTP id l3mr2695447pbh.425.1310140239146; Fri, 08 Jul 2011 08:50:39 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.144.4 with HTTP; Fri, 8 Jul 2011 08:49:59 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <8739igoknf.fsf@gnu.org> References: <10537.80.58.205.50.1231358163.squirrel@correo.ozu.es> <497329A7.6030306@gnu.org> <8739igoknf.fsf@gnu.org> From: Juanma Barranquero Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 17:49:59 +0200 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 17:29, Jason Rumney wrote: > It works as expected for me now on Vista with CVS trunk. But I don't thin= k > this was the configuration I reproduced it on originally. Well, IMHO it does not make much sense to keep the bug open if we cannot reproduce it. We can reopen it if it happens again. =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Juanma From unknown Sat Jun 21 12:17:57 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#1819: Anyone knows why the majority of windowed proggies launched from an emacs shell doesn't show until the shell buffer is killed? [MSWindows] Resent-From: Jason Rumney Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2011 15:59:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 1819 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs,w32 X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Juanma Barranquero Cc: macross84@ozu.es, 1819@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 1819-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B1819.131014068812732 (code B ref 1819); Fri, 08 Jul 2011 15:59:01 +0000 Received: (at 1819) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Jul 2011 15:58:08 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QfDRP-0003JJ-9w for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 08 Jul 2011 11:58:07 -0400 Received: from mail-pz0-f44.google.com ([209.85.210.44]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QfDRM-0003Il-RV for 1819@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 08 Jul 2011 11:58:06 -0400 Received: by pzk5 with SMTP id 5so1674478pzk.3 for <1819@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 08 Jul 2011 08:57:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=sender:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=fTWKnRWOAR0dLKhTMetz2FOvygofBGOvgHKaNg6wIsE=; b=sDuC0EscEBwJukbBSLe0/7KYOern8MYsYUl0zUeWS7HrNGU/EnEJKyOGjf2TQdpu/4 6VTo8ABv9DSioBBSDtvo6Ofyt1OQB6fsd00c+Q/JX2MV/vjxKSAlx49wVAnDC1hScucP g1CBeEavSED3jknQzI68Df06t6R8oDRx9N9i8= Received: by 10.68.27.71 with SMTP id r7mr2629116pbg.385.1310140679086; Fri, 08 Jul 2011 08:57:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from home.jasonrumney.net ([180.75.18.65]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p5sm6373991pbd.28.2011.07.08.08.57.56 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 08 Jul 2011 08:57:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by home.jasonrumney.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id DDCBDC4F; Fri, 8 Jul 2011 23:57:51 +0800 (MYT) From: Jason Rumney References: <10537.80.58.205.50.1231358163.squirrel@correo.ozu.es> <497329A7.6030306@gnu.org> <8739igoknf.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2011 23:57:51 +0800 In-Reply-To: (Juanma Barranquero's message of "Fri, 8 Jul 2011 17:49:59 +0200") Message-ID: <87r560n4sg.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -3.6 (---) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.6 (---) Juanma Barranquero writes: > On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 17:29, Jason Rumney wrote: > >> It works as expected for me now on Vista with CVS trunk. But I don't think >> this was the configuration I reproduced it on originally. > > Well, IMHO it does not make much sense to keep the bug open if we > cannot reproduce it. We can reopen it if it happens again. Please leave it open until we've had a chance to try on systems where it was known to fail. From unknown Sat Jun 21 12:17:57 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#1819: Anyone knows why the majority of windowed proggies launched from an emacs shell doesn't show until the shell buffer is killed? [MSWindows] Resent-From: Juanma Barranquero Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2011 16:46:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 1819 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs,w32 X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Jason Rumney Cc: macross84@ozu.es, 1819@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 1819-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B1819.131014353723806 (code B ref 1819); Fri, 08 Jul 2011 16:46:02 +0000 Received: (at 1819) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Jul 2011 16:45:37 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QfEBN-0006Bv-Lj for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 08 Jul 2011 12:45:37 -0400 Received: from mail-pz0-f44.google.com ([209.85.210.44]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QfEBM-000645-3x for 1819@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 08 Jul 2011 12:45:36 -0400 Received: by pzk5 with SMTP id 5so1702252pzk.3 for <1819@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 08 Jul 2011 09:45:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=S0jybfA+szruUZX5UKkQYnfYBPoZ3SMCpZXgQujDN74=; b=Ean171j4ioar6NCaaM6OCYJKq6XEqlA3/4sjMzUj9dVJ3S/92RoqStT3ZybjaPsKTr i5EYN6lkOr0PdkK6cYBGDd6B8+2VFwbFQp9Fcas8aZve7DltHVhMyFAkbIk5zC1xZ/pP UQpagutu4A1d3rlmhwA/Mgk2KvQOvLgnCG4HI= Received: by 10.142.120.1 with SMTP id s1mr380851wfc.252.1310143530093; Fri, 08 Jul 2011 09:45:30 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.144.4 with HTTP; Fri, 8 Jul 2011 09:44:50 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87r560n4sg.fsf@gnu.org> References: <10537.80.58.205.50.1231358163.squirrel@correo.ozu.es> <497329A7.6030306@gnu.org> <8739igoknf.fsf@gnu.org> <87r560n4sg.fsf@gnu.org> From: Juanma Barranquero Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 18:44:50 +0200 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 17:57, Jason Rumney wrote: > Please leave it open until we've had a chance to try on systems where it > was known to fail. OK, though I don't see in the thread any specific system where it was known to fail. Not a lot of detail in the reports. =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Juanma From unknown Sat Jun 21 12:17:57 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#1819: I can reproduce this on that pre-release Emacs 24 build on WIndows Server 2003 100% References: <10537.80.58.205.50.1231358163.squirrel@correo.ozu.es> In-Reply-To: <10537.80.58.205.50.1231358163.squirrel@correo.ozu.es> Resent-From: darkdescendant@gmail.com Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2011 03:54:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 1819 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs,w32 X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 1819@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 1819-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B1819.131813241010302 (code B ref 1819); Sun, 09 Oct 2011 03:54:01 +0000 Received: (at 1819) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Oct 2011 03:53:30 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RCkS8-0002g6-V8 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 08 Oct 2011 23:53:30 -0400 Received: from mail-pz0-f72.google.com ([209.85.210.72]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RCkBH-0002IG-AX for 1819@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 08 Oct 2011 23:36:03 -0400 Received: by pzd13 with SMTP id 13so22379595pzd.3 for <1819@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sat, 08 Oct 2011 20:35:54 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.68.8.135 with SMTP id r7mr19306291pba.8.1318131354110; Sat, 08 Oct 2011 20:35:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2011 03:35:54 +0000 From: darkdescendant@gmail.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec5215c2f210eda04aed55f7f X-Spam-Score: -3.6 (---) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 08 Oct 2011 23:53:27 -0400 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.6 (---) --bcaec5215c2f210eda04aed55f7f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed; delsp=yes I haven't tried the 4 CR trick outlined in the original posting but this is an issue that I have to deal with all the time. It stops me from doing all my work in Emacs. This also reproduces on the latest released patched EmacsW32 distribution running Emacs 23.2/ --bcaec5215c2f210eda04aed55f7f Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I haven't tried the 4 CR trick outlined in the original posting but thi= s is an issue that I have to deal with all the time. It stops me from doing= all my work in Emacs.

This also reproduces on the latest releas= ed patched EmacsW32 distribution running Emacs 23.2/ --bcaec5215c2f210eda04aed55f7f-- From unknown Sat Jun 21 12:17:57 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#1819: I can reproduce this on that pre-release Emacs 24 build on WIndows Server 2003 100% Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2011 13:02:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 1819 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs,w32 X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: darkdescendant@gmail.com Cc: 1819@debbugs.gnu.org Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Received: via spool by 1819-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B1819.131816529129758 (code B ref 1819); Sun, 09 Oct 2011 13:02:02 +0000 Received: (at 1819) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Oct 2011 13:01:31 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RCt0U-0007ju-Hs for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 09 Oct 2011 09:01:30 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RCt0R-0007jn-I3 for 1819@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 09 Oct 2011 09:01:28 -0400 Received: from eliz by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RCt0L-0005qA-N8; Sun, 09 Oct 2011 09:01:21 -0400 Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2011 09:01:21 -0400 Message-Id: From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: (darkdescendant@gmail.com) References: <10537.80.58.205.50.1231358163.squirrel@correo.ozu.es> X-Spam-Score: -6.6 (------) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.6 (------) > Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2011 03:35:54 +0000 > From: darkdescendant@gmail.com > > I haven't tried the 4 CR trick outlined in the original posting but this is > an issue that I have to deal with all the time. It stops me from doing all > my work in Emacs. Does it help to invoke GUI programs via "start", like this: d:\foo> start notepad > This also reproduces on the latest released patched EmacsW32 distribution > running Emacs 23.2/ I can see it in the current development version as well. I played with this, and here are my observations. Hopefully, someone who knows more than I do about the startup process of a GUI application could make some sense out of it. . The behavior is not entirely repeatable. Sometimes I need 3 RETs, sometimes 4, and sometimes just 1. . It looks like the program that is invoked is in some limbo state inside early stages of its startup code, until you hit enough RETs. Process Explorer shows no threads for such a program. PsList does show one thread, but it is waiting for something. Here's an example with notepad: Tid Pri Cswtch State User Time Kernel Time Elapsed Time 2872 8 14 Wait:Executive 0:00:00.000 0:00:00.000 0:00:05.354 . Each time I hit RET, notepad seems to do a few more things in its startup. Process Explorer shows more and more handles being open. I show below the list of handles after each RET. Note that the desktop (WinSta0) is only opened after one RET. Another noteworthy fact is that when started from shell-mode, GUI applications have 3 pipes open -- those are the 3 standard handles they inherited from Emacs via cmd.exe. . I also tried with runemacs.exe, and I see the same pattern: it takes several RETs for it to make through its works, at which point it spawns emacs.exe and exits. . Invoking GUI programs through the "start" command works as expected: the program opens its window immediately. Here's the list of handles open by notepad just after the invocation: Type Name Directory \Windows Directory \KnownDlls File \Device\NamedPipe\Win32Pipes.000002e4.00000002 File \Device\NamedPipe\Win32Pipes.000002e4.00000001 File \Device\NamedPipe\Win32Pipes.000002e4.00000001 File D:\usr\eli\bzr File C:\WINDOWS\AppPatch\sysmain.sdb File C:\WINDOWS\WinSxS\x86_Microsoft.Windows.Common-Controls_6595b64144ccf1df_6.0.2600.2982_x-ww_ac3f9c03 KeyedEvent \KernelObjects\CritSecOutOfMemoryEvent Mutant \BaseNamedObjects\DBWinMutex Mutant \BaseNamedObjects\DBWinMutex Mutant \BaseNamedObjects\DBWinMutex Mutant \BaseNamedObjects\DBWinMutex Thread emacs.exe(740): 2096 This is after one RET: Type Name Directory \BaseNamedObjects Directory \Windows Directory \KnownDlls File \Device\NamedPipe\Win32Pipes.000002e4.00000002 File \Device\NamedPipe\Win32Pipes.000002e4.00000001 File \Device\NamedPipe\Win32Pipes.000002e4.00000001 File D:\usr\eli\bzr File C:\WINDOWS\WinSxS\x86_Microsoft.Windows.Common-Controls_6595b64144ccf1df_6.0.2600.2982_x-ww_ac3f9c03 Key HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\Windows Key HKLM KeyedEvent \KernelObjects\CritSecOutOfMemoryEvent Mutant \BaseNamedObjects\DBWinMutex Mutant \BaseNamedObjects\DBWinMutex Mutant \BaseNamedObjects\DBWinMutex Mutant \BaseNamedObjects\DBWinMutex Thread emacs.exe(740): 2096 WindowStation \Windows\WindowStations\WinSta0 WindowStation \Windows\WindowStations\WinSta0 After 2 RETs: Type Name Directory \BaseNamedObjects Directory \Windows Directory \KnownDlls Event \BaseNamedObjects\userenv: User Profile setup event File \Device\NamedPipe\Win32Pipes.000002e4.00000002 File \Device\NamedPipe\Win32Pipes.000002e4.00000001 File \Device\NamedPipe\Win32Pipes.000002e4.00000001 File \Device\KsecDD File C:\WINDOWS\WinSxS\x86_Microsoft.Windows.Common-Controls_6595b64144ccf1df_6.0.2600.2982_x-ww_ac3f9c03 File D:\usr\eli\bzr File C:\WINDOWS\WinSxS\x86_Microsoft.Windows.Common-Controls_6595b64144ccf1df_6.0.2600.2982_x-ww_ac3f9c03 Key HKCU Key HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\Drivers32 Key HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\Drivers32 Key HKLM KeyedEvent \KernelObjects\CritSecOutOfMemoryEvent Mutant \BaseNamedObjects\DBWinMutex Mutant \BaseNamedObjects\DBWinMutex Mutant \BaseNamedObjects\DBWinMutex Mutant \BaseNamedObjects\DBWinMutex Mutant \BaseNamedObjects\DBWinMutex Semaphore \BaseNamedObjects\shell.{A48F1A32-A340-11D1-BC6B-00A0C90312E1} Thread emacs.exe(740): 2096 WindowStation \Windows\WindowStations\WinSta0 WindowStation \Windows\WindowStations\WinSta0 After 3 RETs: Type Name Directory \BaseNamedObjects Directory \Windows Directory \KnownDlls Event \BaseNamedObjects\userenv: User Profile setup event File \Device\NamedPipe\Win32Pipes.000002e4.00000002 File \Device\NamedPipe\Win32Pipes.000002e4.00000001 File \Device\NamedPipe\Win32Pipes.000002e4.00000001 File \Device\KsecDD File C:\WINDOWS\WinSxS\x86_Microsoft.Windows.Common-Controls_6595b64144ccf1df_6.0.2600.2982_x-ww_ac3f9c03 File D:\usr\eli\bzr File C:\WINDOWS\WinSxS\x86_Microsoft.Windows.Common-Controls_6595b64144ccf1df_6.0.2600.2982_x-ww_ac3f9c03 Key HKLM\SYSTEM\ControlSet001\Control\Nls\Language Groups Key HKLM\SYSTEM\ControlSet001\Control\Nls\Locale\Alternate Sorts Key HKLM\SYSTEM\ControlSet001\Control\Nls\Locale Key HKCU Key HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\Drivers32 Key HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\Drivers32 Key HKLM KeyedEvent \KernelObjects\CritSecOutOfMemoryEvent Mutant \BaseNamedObjects\DBWinMutex Mutant \BaseNamedObjects\ShimCacheMutex Mutant \BaseNamedObjects\CTF.TimListCache.FMPDefaultS-1-5-21-135337107-1212574998-751859383-11823MUTEX.DefaultS-1-5-21-135337107-1212574998-751859383-11823 Mutant \BaseNamedObjects\CTF.TMD.MutexDefaultS-1-5-21-135337107-1212574998-751859383-11823 Mutant \BaseNamedObjects\CTF.Layouts.MutexDefaultS-1-5-21-135337107-1212574998-751859383-11823 Mutant \BaseNamedObjects\CTF.Asm.MutexDefaultS-1-5-21-135337107-1212574998-751859383-11823 Mutant \BaseNamedObjects\CTF.Compart.MutexDefaultS-1-5-21-135337107-1212574998-751859383-11823 Mutant \BaseNamedObjects\CTF.LBES.MutexDefaultS-1-5-21-135337107-1212574998-751859383-11823 Mutant \BaseNamedObjects\DBWinMutex Mutant \BaseNamedObjects\DBWinMutex Mutant \BaseNamedObjects\DBWinMutex Mutant \BaseNamedObjects\DBWinMutex Section \BaseNamedObjects\ShimSharedMemory Section \BaseNamedObjects\CTF.TimListCache.FMPDefaultS-1-5-21-135337107-1212574998-751859383-11823SFM.DefaultS-1-5-21-135337107-1212574998-751859383-11823 Section \BaseNamedObjects\CiceroSharedMemDefaultS-1-5-21-135337107-1212574998-751859383-11823 Semaphore \BaseNamedObjects\shell.{A48F1A32-A340-11D1-BC6B-00A0C90312E1} Thread emacs.exe(740): 2096 WindowStation \Windows\WindowStations\WinSta0 WindowStation \Windows\WindowStations\WinSta0 From unknown Sat Jun 21 12:17:57 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#1819: I can reproduce this on that pre-release Emacs 24 build on WIndows Server 2003 100% Resent-From: Joseph Jones Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2011 15:41:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 1819 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs,w32 X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: 1819@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 1819-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B1819.131817485511980 (code B ref 1819); Sun, 09 Oct 2011 15:41:01 +0000 Received: (at 1819) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Oct 2011 15:40:55 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RCvUk-00037B-9I for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 09 Oct 2011 11:40:54 -0400 Received: from mail-iy0-f172.google.com ([209.85.210.172]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RCvUi-00036w-5T for 1819@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 09 Oct 2011 11:40:52 -0400 Received: by iaby26 with SMTP id y26so6388729iab.3 for <1819@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 09 Oct 2011 08:40:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=V65iAN+vDUeuxJZZblAvnCLrflQHxKnqUJvWCk7yCaw=; b=q7sZE6ogSbgbfOviYDlicBRuMXuFyc7usXbzqTQuqkP3N2ZBkrPymgo7kbCDfM+THi uG2MKKyB+1ykVEtweaR/UQrYHENx9DP1+F93ob8RubS8buwCIvO84u6J98SLgyFjb8ED QdIj0p2Ut25WaDdQGG6m1YXjEekWGuZ47JfF0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.21.26 with SMTP id h26mr6717164ibb.40.1318174840143; Sun, 09 Oct 2011 08:40:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.11.76 with HTTP; Sun, 9 Oct 2011 08:40:40 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <10537.80.58.205.50.1231358163.squirrel@correo.ozu.es> Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2011 08:40:40 -0700 Message-ID: From: Joseph Jones Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00151773de96193ec904aedf7fd1 X-Spam-Score: -3.6 (---) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.6 (---) --00151773de96193ec904aedf7fd1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 *** inline On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 6:01 AM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2011 03:35:54 +0000 > > From: darkdescendant@gmail.com > > > > I haven't tried the 4 CR trick outlined in the original posting but this > is > > an issue that I have to deal with all the time. It stops me from doing > all > > my work in Emacs. > > Does it help to invoke GUI programs via "start", like this: > > d:\foo> start notepad > > *** I didn't even think of that. I use that for a service that I am testing but didn't think to use it for non-service exes. I'll give that a shot when I am back in office tomorrow. Thanks for the idea! --00151773de96193ec904aedf7fd1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable *** inline

On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 6:01 AM= , Eli Zaretskii <eliz@= gnu.org> wrote:
> Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2011 03:35:54 +0000
> From: darkdescendant@gmail= .com
>
> I haven't tried the 4 CR trick outlined in the original posting bu= t this is
> an issue that I have to deal with all the time. It stops me from doing= all
> my work in Emacs.

Does it help to invoke GUI programs via "start", like this:

=A0d:\foo> start notepad



*** I didn't even think of that. I use that f= or a service that I am testing but didn't think to use it for non-servi= ce exes. I'll give that a shot when I am back in office tomorrow.=A0 Th= anks for the idea!
--00151773de96193ec904aedf7fd1-- From unknown Sat Jun 21 12:17:57 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#1819: I can reproduce this on that pre-release Emacs 24 build on WIndows Server 2003 100% Resent-From: Joseph Jones Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 16:06:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 1819 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs,w32 X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: 1819@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 1819-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B1819.131826273922156 (code B ref 1819); Mon, 10 Oct 2011 16:06:02 +0000 Received: (at 1819) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Oct 2011 16:05:39 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RDIME-0005lJ-Tz for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 10 Oct 2011 12:05:39 -0400 Received: from mail-iy0-f172.google.com ([209.85.210.172]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RDIMC-0005l4-UO for 1819@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 10 Oct 2011 12:05:37 -0400 Received: by iaby26 with SMTP id y26so7554558iab.3 for <1819@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 10 Oct 2011 09:05:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=VE8i1AviVYH8ghWz8cCU2UgVstwpHaqZwW3dSSlGU6c=; b=dgwh+xP+YFd4Lxhrz5gu37D33KI7xQQkCmzbQyx9Q2tzNUA6K337bxdVQt0gEwo01T 9ttCmjuFqpDMnxVdE7zKSZsdP/bm0XMKZgsHk6nYpxAcKyZ4I5xsqjPMtPeUtJzhr2Mq 51vxA3qYVtUGUrR3O9ntDjdt2A3hfbsT4Etiw= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.50.201 with SMTP id a9mr8832974ibg.1.1318262719427; Mon, 10 Oct 2011 09:05:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.11.76 with HTTP; Mon, 10 Oct 2011 09:05:19 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <10537.80.58.205.50.1231358163.squirrel@correo.ozu.es> Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 09:05:19 -0700 Message-ID: From: Joseph Jones Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015177403621cc37104aef3f508 X-Spam-Score: -3.6 (---) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.6 (---) --0015177403621cc37104aef3f508 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I can confirm that both the start command as well as hitting RET 3-4 times both work for me. Interesting side note: If the app brings up a dialog that requires input then displays a main window, both require the 3-4 RETs. In my case, I am using P4V. 1) In Emacs cmd shell type: p4v 2) Hit RET 3 times to display the connection dialog. 3) Enter connection information and hit OK Note that nothing happens... 4) Hit RET 3 more times in the cmd shell 5) P4V main UI shows up. On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 8:40 AM, Joseph Jones wrote: > *** inline > > On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 6:01 AM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > >> > Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2011 03:35:54 +0000 >> > From: darkdescendant@gmail.com >> > >> > I haven't tried the 4 CR trick outlined in the original posting but this >> is >> > an issue that I have to deal with all the time. It stops me from doing >> all >> > my work in Emacs. >> >> Does it help to invoke GUI programs via "start", like this: >> >> d:\foo> start notepad >> >> > > *** I didn't even think of that. I use that for a service that I am testing > but didn't think to use it for non-service exes. I'll give that a shot when > I am back in office tomorrow. Thanks for the idea! > --0015177403621cc37104aef3f508 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I can confirm that both the start command as well as hitting RET 3-4 times = both work for me. Interesting side note: If the app brings up a dialog that= requires input then displays a main window, both require the 3-4 RETs. In = my case, I am using P4V.

1) In Emacs cmd shell type: p4v
2) Hit RET 3 times= to display the connection dialog.
3) Enter connection informatio= n and hit OK

Note that nothing happens...

4) Hit RET 3 more times in the cmd shell
5) P= 4V main UI shows up.



On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 8:40 AM, Joseph Jones &= lt;darkdescendant@gmail.com= > wrote:
*** inline

On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 6:01 AM, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org= > wrote:
> Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2011 03:35:54 +0000
> From: da= rkdescendant@gmail.com
>
> I haven't tried the 4 CR trick outlined in the original posting bu= t this is
> an issue that I have to deal with all the time. It stops me from doing= all
> my work in Emacs.

Does it help to invoke GUI programs via "start", like this:

=A0d:\foo> start notepad



*** I didn't even think of that. I use = that for a service that I am testing but didn't think to use it for non= -service exes. I'll give that a shot when I am back in office tomorrow.= =A0 Thanks for the idea!

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There have been enough years since the original report for someone to have tested on the (unspecified, presumably now obsolete) system(s) where the bug was reported. From unknown Sat Jun 21 12:17:57 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#1819: control message for bug #1819 Resent-From: Nicolas Petton Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 09:10:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 1819 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: unreproducible To: Richard Copley Cc: 1819-done@debbugs.gnu.org, 1819@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 1819-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B1819.146969695019685 (code B ref 1819); Thu, 28 Jul 2016 09:10:02 +0000 Received: (at 1819) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Jul 2016 09:09:10 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48819 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bShJW-00057O-0U for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 28 Jul 2016 05:09:10 -0400 Received: from out4-smtp.messagingengine.com ([66.111.4.28]:56591) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bShJT-000579-Tz; Thu, 28 Jul 2016 05:09:08 -0400 Received: from compute5.internal (compute5.nyi.internal [10.202.2.45]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A12320482; Thu, 28 Jul 2016 05:09:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from frontend1 ([10.202.2.160]) by compute5.internal (MEProxy); Thu, 28 Jul 2016 05:09:07 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:content-type:date:from:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:references:subject:to:x-sasl-enc :x-sasl-enc; s=smtpout; bh=s/CpyKGAlcIY0fO1xBt1X+S9u1A=; b=Qq9yR ud51nmbF62FchYtAQhONmBeiGx0rmiHYU+5YHHZ+e3nlNfO4pD2ZEYfmXOz/v8ft HGqa3jLDD6cQW7FO3MCeD61L2+2PI5UhDVUh+bNT7ue8Rd+BRXNQy7KL+Qd3mTaz TvR1ZcsLpYz+1VDx7RVaIPS2Yq0oD8cXVCweOs= X-Sasl-enc: 0rRlXfHt8Aqm7ab2bdEdUsWknNMJc+rg0PeEyleHNmyR 1469696947 Received: from blueberry (175.108.89.92.rev.sfr.net [92.89.108.175]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id D6D41F29EE; Thu, 28 Jul 2016 05:09:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Nicolas Petton In-Reply-To: References: <10537.80.58.205.50.1231358163.squirrel@correo.ozu.es> <87eg6en3sj.fsf@petton.fr> User-Agent: Notmuch/0.21 (https://notmuchmail.org) Emacs/25.0.95.1 (x86_64-redhat-linux-gnu) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 11:09:04 +0200 Message-ID: <871t2e3z9r.fsf@petton.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Richard Copley writes: >> Should we close this bug report then? > In my opinion, yes it should be closed. I'm not sure how bold I should be > with control messages, as I have no particular standing in the community. I > sometimes close and merge bugs that I reported. This one's not mine so I > just tagged it. I'm closing it then. If needed, someone can reopen. Nico --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJXmcuwAAoJECM1h6R8IHkQ3OoH/2BcB6jU0PzHCL/CeIIvJJeG whXcLYzNXXyYN4OGMJib6XQteHlMdQ9Kz27enhqrcU36qWwLgKr+Jmo5mdwdaaKv CXQNQAtz1MMaulfxmoGPsRAI3xDg8rBBPvkMTR1Cy+VBNFW0e3l1Xjndx1/ls9RG 4P69om6QzSHB2UZrrpyF+CmivV8LoNJSb9/i+Zy3nRmmOZaPBIqmv+2sQZNmdg30 /beh/MqP1qr94//gsiGPEvAwV29j5JDoJZqSGpRmws2YvKnaNsd9HW8PZdLan1hL MeDhSPvCEGJHlmfdHjzzJ6BTHkuThZBCIQ5k5jvSKptJDlLZFk1nbjmu6/lXXJo= =widY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From unknown Sat Jun 21 12:17:57 2025 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.505 (Entity 5.505) X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org From: help-debbugs@gnu.org (GNU bug Tracking System) To: macross84@ozu.es Subject: bug#1819: closed (Re: bug#1819: control message for bug #1819) Message-ID: References: <871t2e3z9r.fsf@petton.fr> <10537.80.58.205.50.1231358163.squirrel@correo.ozu.es> X-Gnu-PR-Message: they-closed 1819 X-Gnu-PR-Package: emacs X-Gnu-PR-Keywords: unreproducible Reply-To: 1819@debbugs.gnu.org Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 09:10:03 +0000 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------=_1469697003-19761-1" This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1469697003-19761-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Your bug report #1819: Anyone knows why the majority of windowed proggies launched from = an emacs shell doesn't show until the shell buffer is killed? [MSWin= dows] which was filed against the emacs package, has been closed. The explanation is attached below, along with your original report. 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I'm not sure how bold I should be > with control messages, as I have no particular standing in the community. I > sometimes close and merge bugs that I reported. This one's not mine so I > just tagged it. I'm closing it then. If needed, someone can reopen. 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[MSWindows] From: macross84@ozu.es To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: FreeBSD 6.x (1) Anyone knows why the majority of windowed applications launched from an emacs shell doesn't show until the shell buffer is killed? [MSWindows] Try M-x shell notepad Doesn't show anything on the computers I've tried until C-x k -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------------------- Busca, compara... pero busca con OZ=DA Desc=FAbrelo en http://buscar.ozu.es -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------------------- Correo enviado desde http://www.ozu.es ------------=_1469697003-19761-1--