From unknown Sun Jun 22 17:14:58 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#18167: 24.4.50; Horizontal scroll bar Resent-From: john ffitch Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2014 09:58:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 18167 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 18167@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.14068870554106 (code B ref -1); Fri, 01 Aug 2014 09:58:01 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Aug 2014 09:57:35 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53688 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XD9ag-000149-3s for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 01 Aug 2014 05:57:34 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:49195) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XD9ad-00013t-HF for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 01 Aug 2014 05:57:32 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XD9aS-0005h7-3M for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 01 Aug 2014 05:57:26 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.8 required=5.0 tests=AC_HTML_NONSENSE_TAGS, BAYES_50 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:36211) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XD9aS-0005h0-03 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 01 Aug 2014 05:57:20 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:50669) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XD9aM-0007IR-FE for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Aug 2014 05:57:19 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XD9aG-0005cs-VW for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Aug 2014 05:57:14 -0400 Received: from smarthost01b.mail.zen.net.uk ([212.23.1.3]:54875) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XD9aG-0005Kc-NM for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Aug 2014 05:57:08 -0400 Received: from [217.155.197.248] (helo=codemist.co.uk) by smarthost01b.mail.zen.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XD9Zf-000E1R-4C for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Aug 2014 09:56:31 +0000 Received: from harvey.codemist.co.uk ([172.16.4.19]) by codemist.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.83) (envelope-from ) id 1XD9Ze-0004fZ-K4; Fri, 01 Aug 2014 10:56:30 +0100 Received: from jpff by harvey.codemist.co.uk with local (Exim 4.83) (envelope-from ) id 1XD9ZY-00015z-Ah; Fri, 01 Aug 2014 10:56:25 +0100 Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 10:56:24 +0100 Message-Id: <5189-Fri01Aug2014105624+0100-jpff@codemist.co.uk> X-Mailer: emacs 24.4.50.17 (via feedmail 11-beta-1 I) From: john ffitch X-Originating-smarthost01b-IP: [217.155.197.248] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) Is there a way to either get rid of them or at least hide them when the whole data is within the widow width? I am finding it visually dominant and takes screen space. In GNU Emacs 24.4.50.17 (x86_64-suse-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.10.4) of 2014-07-31 on harvey.codemist.co.uk Repository revision: 117615 eggert@cs.ucla.edu-20140731135512-r29rtku1tsqtwrcq Windowing system distributor `The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.11403901 Configured features: XPM JPEG TIFF GIF PNG SOUND DBUS GSETTINGS NOTIFY LIBXML2 FREETYPE XFT ZLIB Important settings: value of $LANG: en_GB.UTF-8 value of $XMODIFIERS: @im=local locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix Major mode: C/l Minor modes in effect: auto-image-file-mode: t show-paren-mode: t display-time-mode: t tooltip-mode: t electric-indent-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t menu-bar-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t auto-composition-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t line-number-mode: t abbrev-mode: t Recent input: SPC C-_ C-_ C-x C-f c o SPC n f u i i C-s h o r i C-x k M-x s e n d - e m SPC e m a b u SPC e m SPC C-g C-h a b u g M-x r e p o r t - e SPC b SPC Recent messages: Invalid face reference: my-tab-face [10 times] Mark saved where search started Making completion list... Invalid face reference: my-tab-face [25 times] Making completion list... Invalid face reference: my-tab-face [50 times] Making completion list... Invalid face reference: my-tab-face [45 times] Quit Type C-x 1 to remove help window. Load-path shadows: None found. Features: (shadow flyspell ispell mailalias emacsbug apropos misearch multi-isearch imenu cc-langs cl-loaddefs cl-lib cc-mode cc-fonts cc-guess cc-menus cc-cmds cc-styles cc-align cc-engine cc-vars cc-defs vc-bzr bug-reference add-log rmailsum rmailout mime-compose mail-alias-menu mailcrypt mail-extr comint ansi-color ring rmailkwd qp rmailmm message sendmail dired format-spec rfc822 mml mml-sec mm-decode mm-bodies mm-encode mailabbrev gmm-utils mailheader mail-parse rfc2231 rmail rfc2047 rfc2045 ietf-drums mm-util mail-prsvr mail-utils eldoc help-fns cal-julian delsel cus-start cus-load image-file crypt crypt++ crypt+pgp-pub paren view mule-util cal-china cal-bahai cal-islam cal-hebrew lunar solar cal-dst appt diary-lib diary-loaddefs holidays hol-loaddefs cal-menu easymenu calendar cal-loaddefs time time-date tooltip electric uniquify ediff-hook vc-hooks lisp-float-type mwheel x-win x-dnd tool-bar dnd fontset image regexp-opt fringe tabulated-list newcomment lisp-mode prog-mode register page menu-bar rfn-eshadow timer select scroll-bar mouse jit-lock font-lock syntax facemenu font-core frame cham georgian utf-8-lang misc-lang vietnamese tibetan thai tai-viet lao korean japanese hebrew greek romanian slovak czech european ethiopic indian cyrillic chinese case-table epa-hook jka-cmpr-hook help simple abbrev minibuffer nadvice loaddefs button faces cus-face macroexp files text-properties overlay sha1 md5 base64 format env code-pages mule custom widget hashtable-print-readable backquote make-network-process dbusbind gfilenotify dynamic-setting system-font-setting font-render-setting move-toolbar gtk x-toolkit x multi-tty emacs) Memory information: ((conses 16 220525 17980) (symbols 48 25571 0) (miscs 40 18982 2618) (strings 32 51436 7712) (string-bytes 1 2669156) (vectors 16 16560) (vector-slots 8 584846 8659) (floats 8 623 679) (intervals 56 21442 0) (buffers 976 23) (heap 1024 41451 1378)) ==John ffitch From unknown Sun Jun 22 17:14:58 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#18167: 24.4.50; Horizontal scroll bar Resent-From: martin rudalics Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2014 10:12:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 18167 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: john ffitch , 18167@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 18167-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B18167.14068878855440 (code B ref 18167); Fri, 01 Aug 2014 10:12:02 +0000 Received: (at 18167) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Aug 2014 10:11:25 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53694 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XD9o5-0001Pf-6o for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 01 Aug 2014 06:11:25 -0400 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.15.19]:51847) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XD9o2-0001PS-NS for 18167@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 01 Aug 2014 06:11:23 -0400 Received: from [194.118.142.230] ([194.118.142.230]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx001) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0M5uLh-1WFZxC47ej-00xw6Y; Fri, 01 Aug 2014 12:10:28 +0200 Message-ID: <53DB6789.4000901@gmx.at> Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2014 12:10:17 +0200 From: martin rudalics MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <5189-Fri01Aug2014105624+0100-jpff@codemist.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <5189-Fri01Aug2014105624+0100-jpff@codemist.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:c3Guie/+iwzMXltICWZAMdQdh5thhR4NFBo54az/f+rkBBw0uUy hM1N3dvma3YF7SSIdbNdvL3n3I3CtDfDhT1ZMQzzCytBdQ0rEcbtawnK1PtlDbYqBnqKSlj SbKktZViVqdPbnrIzRvKSRIpmBk51BUNBiMbxQ9R9sCjl42wHTSuZExA+RjXqc5MixctXbX 06WuVYnjjGYNQlAnuY93Q== X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) > Is there a way to either get rid of them or at least hide them when > the whole data is within the widow width? I am finding it visually > dominant and takes screen space. Please use (when (fboundp 'horizontal-scroll-bar-mode) (horizontal-scroll-bar-mode -1)) in your .emacs. martin From unknown Sun Jun 22 17:14:58 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#18167: 24.4.50; Horizontal scroll bar Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2014 14:09:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 18167 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: martin rudalics , john ffitch , 18167@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 18167-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B18167.1406902138706 (code B ref 18167); Fri, 01 Aug 2014 14:09:02 +0000 Received: (at 18167) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Aug 2014 14:08:58 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54000 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XDDVx-0000BJ-KW for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 01 Aug 2014 10:08:57 -0400 Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:43744) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XDDVw-0000B2-5m for 18167@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 01 Aug 2014 10:08:57 -0400 Received: from acsinet21.oracle.com (acsinet21.oracle.com [141.146.126.237]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id s71E7w8C012894 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 1 Aug 2014 14:08:00 GMT Received: from userz7021.oracle.com (userz7021.oracle.com [156.151.31.85]) by acsinet21.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id s71E7tFw020730 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 1 Aug 2014 14:07:56 GMT Received: from abhmp0006.oracle.com (abhmp0006.oracle.com [141.146.116.12]) by userz7021.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id s71E7tbE013841; Fri, 1 Aug 2014 14:07:55 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <6dcc6a67-7851-41ad-b951-4dd424f57c99@default> Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 07:07:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams References: <5189-Fri01Aug2014105624+0100-jpff@codemist.co.uk> <53DB6789.4000901@gmx.at> In-Reply-To: <53DB6789.4000901@gmx.at> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.8 (707110) [OL 12.0.6691.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: acsinet21.oracle.com [141.146.126.237] X-Spam-Score: -3.0 (---) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.0 (---) > > Is there a way to either get rid of them or at least hide them when > > the whole data is within the widow width? I am finding it visually > > dominant and takes screen space. >=20 > (when (fboundp 'horizontal-scroll-bar-mode) > (horizontal-scroll-bar-mode -1)) Why not turn it off by default, and let users opt *in* for this new feature if and when they want it? I understand that a counter argument is that Emacs newbies will expect a horizontal scroll bar. But on that score they will also expect that it only be present when it is actually useful (e.g. when the text is wider than the window). (Disclosure: I have not yet seen the new scroll bar. I do not have access to an MS Windows binary more recent than 6/28.) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Aug 01 10:50:40 2014 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Aug 2014 14:50:40 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54030 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XDEAK-0001Gq-IO for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 01 Aug 2014 10:50:40 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:36527 ident=Debian-exim) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XDEAI-0001Gh-30 for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 01 Aug 2014 10:50:39 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XDEAH-0002Bp-J9 for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 01 Aug 2014 10:50:37 -0400 Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2014 10:50:37 -0400 Message-Id: Subject: control message for bug 18167 To: X-Mailer: mail (GNU Mailutils 2.1) From: Glenn Morris X-Spam-Score: -5.7 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.7 (-----) tag 18167 notabug close 18167 From unknown Sun Jun 22 17:14:58 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#18167: 24.4.50; Horizontal scroll bar Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2014 15:17:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 18167 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: notabug To: Drew Adams Cc: rudalics@gmx.at, 18167@debbugs.gnu.org, jpff@codemist.co.uk Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Received: via spool by 18167-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B18167.140690618216689 (code B ref 18167); Fri, 01 Aug 2014 15:17:02 +0000 Received: (at 18167) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Aug 2014 15:16:22 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54069 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XDEZB-0004L6-Hc for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 01 Aug 2014 11:16:21 -0400 Received: from mtaout29.012.net.il ([80.179.55.185]:46203) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XDEZ8-0004Kn-DI for 18167@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 01 Aug 2014 11:16:19 -0400 Received: from conversion-daemon.mtaout29.012.net.il by mtaout29.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0N9M00000VFMCB00@mtaout29.012.net.il> for 18167@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 01 Aug 2014 18:16:18 +0300 (IDT) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by mtaout29.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0N9M00H9OVR5Q780@mtaout29.012.net.il>; Fri, 01 Aug 2014 18:16:18 +0300 (IDT) Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2014 18:16:11 +0300 From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: <6dcc6a67-7851-41ad-b951-4dd424f57c99@default> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il Message-id: <8338dgs0jo.fsf@gnu.org> References: <5189-Fri01Aug2014105624+0100-jpff@codemist.co.uk> <53DB6789.4000901@gmx.at> <6dcc6a67-7851-41ad-b951-4dd424f57c99@default> X-Spam-Score: 3.7 (+++) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "debbugs.gnu.org", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: > Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 07:07:54 -0700 (PDT) > From: Drew Adams > > > > Is there a way to either get rid of them or at least hide them when > > > the whole data is within the widow width? I am finding it visually > > > dominant and takes screen space. > > > > (when (fboundp 'horizontal-scroll-bar-mode) > > (horizontal-scroll-bar-mode -1)) > > Why not turn it off by default, and let users opt *in* for this > new feature if and when they want it? 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Content preview: > Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 07:07:54 -0700 (PDT) > From: Drew Adams > > > > Is there a way to either get rid of them or at least hide them when > > > the whole data is within the widow width? I am finding it visually > > > dominant and takes screen space. > > > > (when (fboundp 'horizontal-scroll-bar-mode) > > (horizontal-scroll-bar-mode -1)) > > Why not turn it off by default, and let users opt *in* for this > new feature if and when they want it? [...] Content analysis details: (3.7 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 2.7 RCVD_IN_PSBL RBL: Received via a relay in PSBL [80.179.55.185 listed in psbl.surriel.com] 1.0 SPF_SOFTFAIL SPF: sender does not match SPF record (softfail) > Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 07:07:54 -0700 (PDT) > From: Drew Adams > > > > Is there a way to either get rid of them or at least hide them when > > > the whole data is within the widow width? I am finding it visually > > > dominant and takes screen space. > > > > (when (fboundp 'horizontal-scroll-bar-mode) > > (horizontal-scroll-bar-mode -1)) > > Why not turn it off by default, and let users opt *in* for this > new feature if and when they want it? He already said he will, soon. From unknown Sun Jun 22 17:14:58 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#18167: 24.4.50; Horizontal scroll bar Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2014 15:33:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 18167 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: notabug To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: rudalics@gmx.at, 18167@debbugs.gnu.org, jpff@codemist.co.uk Received: via spool by 18167-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B18167.140690713318234 (code B ref 18167); Fri, 01 Aug 2014 15:33:02 +0000 Received: (at 18167) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Aug 2014 15:32:13 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54074 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XDEoW-0004k2-8A for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 01 Aug 2014 11:32:12 -0400 Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:31639) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XDEoT-0004jo-TP for 18167@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 01 Aug 2014 11:32:10 -0400 Received: from ucsinet21.oracle.com (ucsinet21.oracle.com [156.151.31.93]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id s71FVDxd020521 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 1 Aug 2014 15:31:14 GMT Received: from userz7022.oracle.com (userz7022.oracle.com [156.151.31.86]) by ucsinet21.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id s71FVCCX008370 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 1 Aug 2014 15:31:12 GMT Received: from abhmp0004.oracle.com (abhmp0004.oracle.com [141.146.116.10]) by userz7022.oracle.com (8.14.5+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id s71FVAJg021190; Fri, 1 Aug 2014 15:31:11 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 08:31:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams References: <<5189-Fri01Aug2014105624+0100-jpff@codemist.co.uk>> <<53DB6789.4000901@gmx.at>> <<6dcc6a67-7851-41ad-b951-4dd424f57c99@default>> <<8338dgs0jo.fsf@gnu.org>> In-Reply-To: <<8338dgs0jo.fsf@gnu.org>> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.8 (707110) [OL 12.0.6691.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: ucsinet21.oracle.com [156.151.31.93] X-Spam-Score: -3.0 (---) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.0 (---) > > Why not turn it off by default, and let users opt *in* for this > > new feature if and when they want it? >=20 > He already said he will, soon. Great. Thx.