From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Aug 01 01:22:58 2014 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Aug 2014 05:22:58 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53585 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XD5Iu-0002hr-OR for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 01 Aug 2014 01:22:58 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:55359) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XD5Iq-0002ha-Hy for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 01 Aug 2014 01:22:54 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XD5If-000136-Bo for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 01 Aug 2014 01:22:47 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,FREEMAIL_FROM, T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:35487) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XD5If-000131-7t for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 01 Aug 2014 01:22:41 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:56944) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XD5IZ-0006Zl-42 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Aug 2014 01:22:41 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XD5IS-0000ys-KW for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Aug 2014 01:22:35 -0400 Received: from mail-wg0-x22d.google.com ([2a00:1450:400c:c00::22d]:39609) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XD5IS-0000xX-7E for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Aug 2014 01:22:28 -0400 Received: by mail-wg0-f45.google.com with SMTP id x12so3730359wgg.28 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 22:22:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type :user-agent; bh=oV6Eo8uYLEosnjyhLequLqga7y6QPJSveG8Chb4ZQds=; b=NgD6hGj3wduYBirPu2ilr7z4F+hNPmlXVNyvqVhkeEutobMHypfOG8/BXTL6hHlCRS QlOi4NFrigrNn65qUM3THgkvanFspu+hFc8AN3Q1n87IQwu0Pyuq03offRnvd0qGNn6y At4LkxtZiIbYye4qPQE4mwdIyfQprzFx1cHYfm+lcxiHbb/9IqUrjAq7PGzYkTRXEM9l pb44A5SXAzJXTbwkgIw6Ww6kUuGEQbJDbgUyzziQaeCZXkzH60FaZmtY+OJBFLbeSsek 9a3+NEoc/Bsp10RNxGly3Pdg/YMeqP5QXp80kvIcA2MXbXffx2y7IfpZfhBkGWJWLlvJ bDAQ== X-Received: by 10.194.202.231 with SMTP id kl7mr4085433wjc.134.1406870546170; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 22:22:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vsl28t2g.ww011 (p57ACEF59.dip0.t-ipconnect.de. [87.172.239.89]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id ch5sm18243792wjb.18.2014.07.31.22.22.24 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 31 Jul 2014 22:22:25 -0700 (PDT) From: dieter@duenenhof-wilhelm.de (H. Dieter Wilhelm) To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 24.3.92; appt-mode-line is missing a white-space (in conjunction with display-time-and-date) Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2014 07:21:11 +0200 Message-ID: <87ppgkss3c.fsf@vsl28t2g.ww011> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.92 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) Hello, in conjunction with display-time the appointment message in the mode line is not formatted harmoniously. The appointment message does not have a white-space at the end but in the beginning. Thanks for Emacs Dieter In GNU Emacs 24.3.92.2 (x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.24.24) of 2014-07-18 on vsl28t2g Windowing system distributor `The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.11600000 System Description: Debian GNU/Linux testing (jessie) Important settings: value of $LANG: en_GB.utf8 locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix Major mode: Emacs-Lisp Minor modes in effect: erc-list-mode: t erc-menu-mode: t erc-autojoin-mode: t erc-ring-mode: t erc-networks-mode: t erc-pcomplete-mode: t erc-track-mode: t erc-track-minor-mode: t erc-match-mode: t erc-button-mode: t erc-fill-mode: t erc-stamp-mode: t erc-netsplit-mode: t erc-irccontrols-mode: t erc-noncommands-mode: t erc-move-to-prompt-mode: t erc-readonly-mode: t diff-auto-refine-mode: t display-time-mode: t show-paren-mode: t shell-dirtrack-mode: t tooltip-mode: t electric-indent-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t menu-bar-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t blink-cursor-mode: t auto-composition-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t buffer-read-only: t line-number-mode: t transient-mark-mode: t Recent input: w h C-x o / e u q u e r y SPC w i l h e G u t e n SPC M M O r g e o r g e n SPC V i c k y , SPC d u SPC b e n u t z t z t SPC n o c h H a n g o u t s ? M-x b u g C-a C-k r e p o r b e m A p p o i n t m e n t SPC m e a s s s s a g e SPC i s SPC o n o t SPC p r o p e r t l y SPC f o r m a t t e d SPC i n SPC c o n j u n c t i o n SPC w i t h SPC M-b M-b M-b M-f SPC t h e SPC m o d e l i n e , SPC w h e n C-k SPC t h e SPC t i m e SPC M-b M-b a l s o SPC C-e i s SPC s d i s p l a y e d C-g C-g C-h f a p o p t - d i s p l l C-s n o w C-g C-x b * m u n C-g M-x M-p Recent messages: uncompressing appt.el.gz...done Note: file is write protected Quit Making completion list... 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Dieter Wilhelm Darmstadt, Germany From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Aug 02 04:59:49 2014 Received: (at 18164) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Aug 2014 08:59:49 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54427 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XDVAL-0005O5-8t for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 02 Aug 2014 04:59:49 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:54530 ident=Debian-exim) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XDVAI-0005Nw-Cm for 18164@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 02 Aug 2014 04:59:47 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XDVAH-0006JE-DL; Sat, 02 Aug 2014 04:59:45 -0400 From: Glenn Morris To: dieter@duenenhof-wilhelm.de (H. Dieter Wilhelm) Subject: Re: bug#18164: 24.3.92; appt-mode-line is missing a white-space (in conjunction with display-time-and-date) References: <87ppgkss3c.fsf@vsl28t2g.ww011> X-Spook: 22nd SAS Blowpipe NSA oil Bosnia MIT-LL Zachawi global X-Ran: Ra?l:;m~1T^5'iBT:i-C_oQaIv:!Qp8g\+)1-6pA.BEh/i~w%FRtW>$cwYI4{~OWz`T-aU X-Hue: magenta X-Debbugs-No-Ack: yes X-Attribution: GM Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2014 04:59:45 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87ppgkss3c.fsf@vsl28t2g.ww011> (H. Dieter Wilhelm's message of "Fri, 01 Aug 2014 07:21:11 +0200") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 18164 Cc: 18164@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) H. Dieter Wilhelm wrote: > in conjunction with display-time the appointment message in the mode > line is not formatted harmoniously. (If appt is activated before display-time rather than after.) > The appointment message does not have a white-space at the end but in > the beginning. Well, there's an issue, but whose issue is it? I could equally well say that display-time-mode-string does not have space at either end. It seems to be a general issue. Eg display-time-mode + display-battery-mode has the same issue. 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Dieter Wilhelm) To: Glenn Morris Subject: Re: bug#18164: 24.3.92; appt-mode-line is missing a white-space (in conjunction with display-time-and-date) References: <87ppgkss3c.fsf@vsl28t2g.ww011> Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2014 14:50:59 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Glenn Morris's message of "Sat, 02 Aug 2014 04:59:45 -0400") Message-ID: <8738dfrr64.fsf@vsl28t2g.ww011> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.92 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 18164 Cc: 18164@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) Glenn Morris writes: > H. Dieter Wilhelm wrote: > >> in conjunction with display-time the appointment message in the mode >> line is not formatted harmoniously. > > (If appt is activated before display-time rather than after.) I see, for the time being, I'll activate then display-time before app-activate... :-) When I'm already nitpicking, then I think the point behind the warning time in minutes, like this: `3 min.' is unnecessary. If there is a white-space behind `min ' then it represents the (well known) physical unit and must not be an abbreviated minute. >> The appointment message does not have a white-space at the end but in >> the beginning. > > Well, there's an issue, but whose issue is it? I could equally well say > that display-time-mode-string does not have space at either end. > > It seems to be a general issue. Eg display-time-mode + display-battery-mode > has the same issue. Then this is calling for a general mode-line guide-line ;-). Everything textual must be followed by a whitespace. -- Thank you Dieter Best wishes H. 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I could equally well say that display-time-mode-string does not have >> space at either end. >> It seems to be a general issue. Eg display-time-mode + display-battery-mode >> has the same issue. > H. Dieter Wilhelm wrote: > Then this is calling for a general mode-line guide-line ;-). Everything > textual must be followed by a whitespace. =E2=80=8BWhile not explicitly stated it is implied[1] that a minor mode's l= ighter should begin with a space to prevent these issues. > H. Dieter Wilhelm wrote: > for the time being, I'll activate then display-time before app-activate... :-) Requiring one to load in a particular order or having to reformat global-mode-string is in some ways contrary to idea behind mode line control: don't modify mode-line-format, let it delegate the work to its contents. Why not just start each of these modes' string with a space? [1] https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/elisp/Defining-Minor-Mo= des.html --94eb2c05b4d8bedf7a05458a28df Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
>> Glenn Morris wrote:
>> .= ..=C2=A0I could equally = well say=C2=A0that display-time-mode-string does not have
>> = space at either end.
>> It seems to be a gener= al issue. Eg display-time-mode + display-battery-mode
>>= ; has the same issue.

> H. Dieter Wilh= elm wrote:
> Then this is calling for = a general mode-line guide-line ;-).=C2=A0 Everything
> textual must be followed by a whitespace.

=E2=80=8BWhile not explicitly stated it is implied[1] tha= t a minor mode's lighter should begin with a space to prevent these iss= ues.=C2=A0

> H. Dieter= Wilhelm wrote:
> for the time being, = I'll activate then display-time before app-activate... :-)
<= div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif= ">
Requiring one to load in a particular order or having to ref= ormat global-mode-string is in some ways contrary to idea behind mode line = control: don't modify mode-line-format, let it delegate the work to its= contents.=C2=A0

Why not just start each of thes= e modes' string with a space?

[1]https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/elisp/Defining-Mi= nor-Modes.html

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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Glenn Morris writes: >> in conjunction with display-time the appointment message in the mode >> line is not formatted harmoniously. > > (If appt is activated before display-time rather than after.) > >> The appointment me [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 18164 Cc: "H. Dieter Wilhelm" , 18164@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Glenn Morris writes: >> in conjunction with display-time the appointment message in the mode >> line is not formatted harmoniously. > > (If appt is activated before display-time rather than after.) > >> The appointment message does not have a white-space at the end but in >> the beginning. > > Well, there's an issue, but whose issue is it? I could equally well say > that display-time-mode-string does not have space at either end. > > It seems to be a general issue. Eg display-time-mode + display-battery-mode > has the same issue. There wasn't a convention to handle this before, so some global-mode-string elements added it to the start, and some added it to the end, and some didn't add it at all. This has been changed in Emacs 28 (to add the space at the end), and I've now adjusted the appt string, too. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Aug 19 11:50:02 2021 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Aug 2021 15:50:03 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60719 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mGkIs-0002Il-J7 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 19 Aug 2021 11:50:02 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:50938) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mGkIr-0002Hy-4d for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 19 Aug 2021 11:50:01 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Subject:From:To:Message-Id:Date:Sender:Reply-To:Cc: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=b6mcDZ4QVMBJwSq+dhSyo6IfxZFwhcgxeaH8HyZAq5M=; b=AR1ashfN2cyR54cR3l151/+RYo VI0j+zA+ursM2y9lOty6cpUfRKxew0N2hxc0q8WoQfurSmllUkSl8DoUS5WDIh8m16nsjdVLClnRw NGugPd0EfRv1NKIX1hMEvTV8PezVWmMd26jKdxhko/0qrMAW06lbhrUCcmDWvU/hmkQQ=; Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=elva) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mGkIj-0007kx-6Y for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 19 Aug 2021 17:49:55 +0200 Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2021 17:49:52 +0200 Message-Id: <87h7fl4eov.fsf@gnus.org> To: control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: control message for bug #18164 X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. 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Dieter Wilhelm" To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: Re: bug#18164: 24.3.92; appt-mode-line is missing a white-space (in conjunction with display-time-and-date) References: <87ppgkss3c.fsf@vsl28t2g.ww011> <87im014ep3.fsf@gnus.org> Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2021 22:20:52 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87im014ep3.fsf@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Thu, 19 Aug 2021 17:49:44 +0200") Message-ID: <868s0x4257.fsf@duenenhof-wilhelm.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:/vKoWP0eUkD8FQRHyKDfx1MXqIB1oRYOQmnQmx7VQAjCqRA3ZV5 9Juee2iDCCt1u3sLL3u9vcG6/LRwy57XYXg6T2jBF1CKG1zi56mBXTJjWb/FCE4NNEQ+Hm5 CAPi8yOnwsIyETpGKekbqZQV5NMfdrXTx9LD1n3K0XjjabufAK/3yLgHvAowRal8Mi6Dy93 NBdla7ZX2eceyQkYsFmMA== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:rYSGKZ70z7A=:D/pVSJBIKB9HlrjS97XNAU 5ur+6xjmH0zLqd/argjgkmo3wfN2C1AM7T1haq4YY028jcQoYkVv10JCWn1R9vuAWKiNY21oW IKcpBr632Q/qLWCCXPip10dBTmS1+vi3Nnnr6JY3KYnF6EtgFvwgI+e7df218DlwCvQscFg+c xNrgGw/IDxKX8WzX83X3/mpsv3MtvQfsYYr+twacgmer695RsXKXrt/IwZhKwX/8HlGH7upPw J9iyt5wn06rkLvQ+4iLk4Tky+o2MS3y80R88EYtqLU5a2Evjq3bmYlrphnBpE+ElwR67syWOy YFLiRAH3DOksPuHioXGlt61HojhKH+YFapN8Bd+m/3aRuowlN8po1ah6hLywtSb+uHh8VLyrL fjWBW+lN1fmtCXrdKGXJxiOdIg60y228Eosdhqyr4NUBv1mJsMNzgmiR0J2PXWk6Ai2lTvIeQ zcTUhufGvZEQ/vxOa9Bfjxy0gpEnfhYrIPU+Uxs0H629cBjYhopV4/16GM6qaSr8I6jBAq0Xy k16gsXNvjfJJJwoUoFeHJLVnk6dTZyEiKWKgsCryrx+Eb9Cqw0v8hB/1hEha9Hd1Unp1vDprd k4JXD/Q0i3ONCIgG3vB60Rkqv/kHMbSWrHp7G+PqIarKPRw0jfstgAuBnkDGoiGfM35bT32zL jHLfUNcfAz3LACaz7Gwr6BmnTkeGbIlIe34DWd1/yfC1lUG5yl42E5tHCHbpb/btQ+Xl83zQR iO0jtzboZdIAtzZvPq1TZJxRCdU4w1zxTEulYK1b5BkMrWuMmJYnRfRjvqMNB3Gai97iLPeZs PwPS9HO9/AJa3ufvzvQvhbB8BnmVd8nn956Aef3GYsxSbXa/vwdEGuo3mGzIs5ZK5dL00AZ3d cat6ndUvf5nwbeLz7YmA== X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 18164 Cc: Glenn Morris , 18164@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > Glenn Morris writes: >> Well, there's an issue, but whose issue is it? I could equally well say >> that display-time-mode-string does not have space at either end. >> >> It seems to be a general issue. Eg display-time-mode + display-battery-mode >> has the same issue. > > There wasn't a convention to handle this before, so some > global-mode-string elements added it to the start, and some added it to > the end, and some didn't add it at all. This has been changed in Emacs > 28 (to add the space at the end), and I've now adjusted the appt string, > too. Thank you very much! -- Best wishes H. Dieter Wilhelm Zwingenberg, Germany From unknown Wed Aug 20 06:39:59 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2021 11:24:06 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator