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[212.46.175.249]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id 20sm8170782wjt.42.2014.07.30.13.55.07 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 30 Jul 2014 13:55:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from helmut by ix with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XCatv-0004Tp-7m for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 22:55:07 +0200 From: Helmut Eller To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 24.4.50; eval-buffer ignores debug-on-error sometimes Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2014 22:55:07 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) Starting Emacs with: emacs -Q -nw \ -eval '(setq debug-on-error t)' \ -eval '(insert "(defun f () (push))")' \ -f eval-buffer only prints this message: Eager macro-expansion failure: (wrong-number-of-arguments (2 . 2) 0) This is not what I expect; Emacs should enter the debugger instead. If "(defun f () (push))" is replaced by "(/ 1 0)" then the debugger pops up as expected. In GNU Emacs 24.4.50.1 (i686-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.24.10) of 2014-07-30 on ix Windowing system distributor `The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.11204000 System Description: Debian GNU/Linux 7.1 (wheezy) Configured using: `configure --with-jpeg=no --with-gif=no --with-tiff=no' From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Aug 06 13:12:20 2014 Received: (at 18154) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Aug 2014 17:12:20 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60584 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XF4l9-0004qW-IN for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 06 Aug 2014 13:12:19 -0400 Received: from mercure.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.24.67]:48115) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XF4l7-0004qO-Dc for 18154@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 06 Aug 2014 13:12:18 -0400 Received: from hidalgo.iro.umontreal.ca (hidalgo.iro.umontreal.ca [132.204.27.50]) by mercure.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id D869384F37; Wed, 6 Aug 2014 13:12:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lechon.iro.umontreal.ca (lechon.iro.umontreal.ca [132.204.27.242]) by hidalgo.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C3E61E5B74; Wed, 6 Aug 2014 13:11:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by lechon.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix, from userid 20848) id C7742B40CD; Wed, 6 Aug 2014 13:11:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Stefan Monnier To: Helmut Eller Subject: Re: bug#18154: 24.4.50; eval-buffer ignores debug-on-error sometimes Message-ID: References: Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2014 13:11:51 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Helmut Eller's message of "Wed, 30 Jul 2014 22:55:07 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-DIRO-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-DIRO-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-DIRO-MailScanner-SpamCheck: n'est pas un polluriel, SpamAssassin (score=-2.82, requis 5, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -2.82, MC_TSTLAST 0.00) X-DIRO-MailScanner-From: monnier@iro.umontreal.ca X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: -3.0 (---) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 18154 Cc: 18154@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.0 (---) > Starting Emacs with: > emacs -Q -nw \ > -eval '(setq debug-on-error t)' \ > -eval '(insert "(defun f () (push))")' \ > -f eval-buffer > only prints this message: > Eager macro-expansion failure: (wrong-number-of-arguments (2 . 2) 0) > This is not what I expect; Emacs should enter the debugger instead. The eager-macroexpansion is not indispensable (so far), so any errors that happen during it are demoted to mere warnings (like the line you quote above). Hence debug-on-error doesn't cause you to get a backtrace. You'd need to use debug-on-signal for that. But you should indeed be dropped into the debugger if/when you call `f' (unless you redefine `push' to accept 0 arguments before you call `f', obviously). > If "(defun f () (push))" is replaced by "(/ 1 0)" then the > debugger pops up as expected. Of course. Note that when (defun f () (push)) is evaluated, it just defines `f' but doesn't actually run `push' (tho eager-macroexpansion tries to macroexpand `push' in the hope to avoid having to do it every time `f' gets called). Stefan From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Aug 07 02:44:45 2014 Received: (at 18154) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Aug 2014 06:44:45 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33083 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XFHRN-0002sO-3X for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 Aug 2014 02:44:45 -0400 Received: from mail-we0-f178.google.com ([74.125.82.178]:47217) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XFHRJ-0002s3-Iz for 18154@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 Aug 2014 02:44:42 -0400 Received: by mail-we0-f178.google.com with SMTP id w61so3767433wes.9 for <18154@debbugs.gnu.org>; Wed, 06 Aug 2014 23:44:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=O4fPnSoJbSiFDHUP6MK72t8U54nSCziuSViLfdXX31o=; b=iE8ZwZUp3khYCodc680WxW5gpSl3uXgXKaCtPOqRlKykeKssIjMiiAMkvEHcfx1szy IIzAubwbvMEjygaqhGowyjTpX/J2WMGrtPTgYRHIaRp7Ak+XS3Va4kOmgRLnC2yXbIYD rPdy+f9Z8HfJJ1FszUt3BOQIH+X5UrlRVQmLRtcIbFlK00nBXXM+6yJkwPkzZOqNUBEN rnVnMqtMuQ/lNgK/9DnSAo/GTgY3gbAvsl4MQiJ3ISIGTVnLWlPZNwmvlduwbm778WUb Gmqm0Z4fhiHaMmCMe2kUWECtwtu6MNUJy/qbIQNQpbVT9bK5zhV6ORCkiVT79wOjbpz4 amDw== X-Received: by 10.180.205.168 with SMTP id lh8mr21405769wic.33.1407393875518; Wed, 06 Aug 2014 23:44:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ix ([212.46.174.76]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id ex4sm25810688wic.2.2014.08.06.23.44.34 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 06 Aug 2014 23:44:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from helmut by ix with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XFHRA-0000u7-8C; Thu, 07 Aug 2014 08:44:32 +0200 From: Helmut Eller To: Stefan Monnier Subject: Re: bug#18154: 24.4.50; eval-buffer ignores debug-on-error sometimes References: Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2014 08:44:32 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Wed, 06 Aug 2014 13:11:51 -0400") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 18154 Cc: 18154@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) On Wed, Aug 06 2014, Stefan Monnier wrote: >> only prints this message: > >> Eager macro-expansion failure: (wrong-number-of-arguments (2 . 2) 0) > >> This is not what I expect; Emacs should enter the debugger instead. > > The eager-macroexpansion is not indispensable (so far), so any errors > that happen during it are demoted to mere warnings (like the line you > quote above). I see, but the message "Eager macro-expansion failure" doesn't sound like a warning to me. Maybe use the word "warning" somewhere to avoid confusion. > Hence debug-on-error doesn't cause you to get > a backtrace. You'd need to use debug-on-signal for that. The message contains no line number or any other hint where the source of the problem is; debug-on-error is no help either. Maybe it would be better to get rid of the message entirely. Helmut From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Aug 07 08:29:29 2014 Received: (at 18154) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Aug 2014 12:29:29 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33476 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XFMoz-0004UY-0E for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 Aug 2014 08:29:29 -0400 Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.181]:34779) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XFMow-0004UH-Mg for 18154@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 Aug 2014 08:29:27 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ArYGAIDvNVPAqyKr/2dsb2JhbABZgwaDSr0vgw6BFxd0giUBAQEBAgFWIwULCzQSFBgNJIgECNIZF456B4Q4BKsDg0wh X-IPAS-Result: ArYGAIDvNVPAqyKr/2dsb2JhbABZgwaDSr0vgw6BFxd0giUBAQEBAgFWIwULCzQSFBgNJIgECNIZF456B4Q4BKsDg0wh X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.97,753,1389762000"; d="scan'208";a="82364405" Received: from 192-171-34-171.cpe.pppoe.ca (HELO pastel.home) ([192.171.34.171]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 07 Aug 2014 08:29:21 -0400 Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 9299460787; Thu, 7 Aug 2014 08:29:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Stefan Monnier To: Helmut Eller Subject: Re: bug#18154: 24.4.50; eval-buffer ignores debug-on-error sometimes Message-ID: References: Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2014 08:29:20 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Helmut Eller's message of "Thu, 07 Aug 2014 08:44:32 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 18154 Cc: 18154@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) > The message contains no line number or any other hint where the source > of the problem is; Indeed, the location is sadly not available. Propagating it to the message would require a large change. > debug-on-error is no help either. Maybe it would be > better to get rid of the message entirely. No: the warning is intended to turn into an error in some undecided future version, so we want people to be aware of the problem and fix their code accordingly. Stefan From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Aug 19 11:56:26 2021 Received: (at 18154) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Aug 2021 15:56:26 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60734 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mGkP3-0002Sl-Rn for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 19 Aug 2021 11:56:26 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:50992) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mGkP2-0002SW-Et for 18154@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 19 Aug 2021 11:56:24 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=nQudIjWVPT3bWYqtE5EVKGsk2kU8Ep6M+vjH76bUYxE=; b=TZr5MSuSfqLTG6CvPSEI0dLTyF EPgvued+JsinS/UBrt85NfOb/hcCcb4Ev/eSpcwj94B8lW4dx5Bf5tAbotGUeTJhjsDL7lJmbVMiz jHMPLMYIqkklxd2BnJ+Tgsu44eY9IrzxI8zZ/GTLh6lRQJW+R77nKCU0MZzSCjB5k7T0=; Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=elva) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mGkOq-0007og-Hn; Thu, 19 Aug 2021 17:56:16 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Stefan Monnier Subject: Re: bug#18154: 24.4.50; eval-buffer ignores debug-on-error sometimes References: Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2021 17:56:12 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Thu, 07 Aug 2014 08:29:20 -0400") Message-ID: <878s0x4eeb.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Stefan Monnier writes: >> debug-on-error is no help either. Maybe it would be >> better to get rid of the message entirely. > > No: the warning is intended to turn into an error in some > undecided future version, so we wan [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 18154 Cc: 18154@debbugs.gnu.org, Helmut Eller X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Stefan Monnier writes: >> debug-on-error is no help either. Maybe it would be >> better to get rid of the message entirely. > > No: the warning is intended to turn into an error in some > undecided future version, so we want people to be aware of the problem > and fix their code accordingly. This was seven years ago -- should we start erroring about this now? -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Jun 29 11:12:52 2022 Received: (at 18154) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Jun 2022 15:12:52 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59842 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1o6ZN5-0003w5-Qg for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 29 Jun 2022 11:12:51 -0400 Received: from mail-pl1-f175.google.com ([209.85.214.175]:39892) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1o6ZN3-0003vo-P2 for 18154@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 29 Jun 2022 11:12:50 -0400 Received: by mail-pl1-f175.google.com with SMTP id x20so8794687plx.6 for <18154@debbugs.gnu.org>; Wed, 29 Jun 2022 08:12:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:user-agent :mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=/iOcd52xIALBDIvM+aaZ7mcYM9RtnBZctYAVPswQr2w=; b=cpuL3OIhWqCGZIebJ/AxAVxr85GU+Sbu7F832zHGL5qOzNBteWqJBb17ilWT8PxLX4 5HDOVTpr3+YHVEZGtgfqnXXO8UCsn2wlmi5/N7rqNwjjl9RrkDlN1Y9EnNRnHSsVAzOj EptaBGrOVBP1KcXjUJZRwc2CDYhbCC+PzJuGcgKSf6cJoZWK98bYCzpdoJ0Nb9qaEnk1 sh0lt0kkH5T07ZKSi000Y88aIgHuix3VhlRoAzUYpHGw8fkgxdnBdGq3jhr/dOZhSEKe FPn2P4ZZaho8WZKvGy8VKM0qtcfY9VrrplIuf7TVHGJY2M1G8twLTrXdEtkOSwMoYY2e T6Vg== X-Gm-Message-State: AJIora9uVrrJJuN6qo0lU+L+H8Fnw58AHwNZSy6tYI5sWgs6XWSsOhMJ LwCBSI36d6Mux4ja5W91qM4aK0Ud8qiNO0g7s1c= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGRyM1u4ryE22RJhqTz5VCBAT4NtFqw2q50N1iPtCThfjE1f5YAeARCGw0qeQ94Wz2aKj+VuJjjVSJ6gg2ypsYzzIn4= X-Received: by 2002:a17:902:7c0d:b0:16b:7dd2:626c with SMTP id x13-20020a1709027c0d00b0016b7dd2626cmr10711896pll.152.1656515564216; Wed, 29 Jun 2022 08:12:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Wed, 29 Jun 2022 08:12:43 -0700 From: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: <878s0x4eeb.fsf@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Thu, 19 Aug 2021 17:56:12 +0200") References: <878s0x4eeb.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2022 08:12:43 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#18154: 24.4.50; eval-buffer ignores debug-on-error sometimes To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 18154 Cc: Helmut Eller , 18154@debbugs.gnu.org, Stefan Monnier X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > Stefan Monnier writes: > >>> debug-on-error is no help either. Maybe it would be >>> better to get rid of the message entirely. >> >> No: the warning is intended to turn into an error in some >> undecided future version, so we want people to be aware of the problem >> and fix their code accordingly. > > This was seven years ago -- should we start erroring about this now? Another year has passed. I say let's go ahead and do it. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jun 30 05:13:27 2022 Received: (at 18154) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Jun 2022 09:13:27 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:32781 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1o6qEp-0005MJ-Bq for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 30 Jun 2022 05:13:27 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:41326) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1o6qEo-0005M4-46 for 18154@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 30 Jun 2022 05:13:26 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Date:References: In-Reply-To:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=zQQHOOeDXTNxxZ41klBp/ggyow8jVygLL7AURI4BRGw=; b=o9w4iD2FcxUYsaxRA7jjw1rCsY gudpydkK0ZuVJF4SaCjd/GqpafVEuaEWcsbCNu7Ds+h6wfhKuFiO3S6VFiN3zwEUC2xtlNTLcG+LB UH5cpRtX1r2ERU4kDI/sjUiSPO7a4Iowbnz58olC/1TCT/8+JfQyNvdF0lJ0iwbNqPH8=; Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1o6qEc-0001h9-0d; Thu, 30 Jun 2022 11:13:16 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Stefan Kangas Subject: Re: bug#18154: 24.4.50; eval-buffer ignores debug-on-error sometimes In-Reply-To: (Stefan Kangas's message of "Wed, 29 Jun 2022 08:12:43 -0700") References: <878s0x4eeb.fsf@gnus.org> X-Now-Playing: Andrew Poppy's _Alphabed_: "45 IS" Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2022 11:13:11 +0200 Message-ID: <87r136ecpk.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Stefan Kangas writes: >> This was seven years ago -- should we start erroring about this now? > > Another year has passed. I say let's go ahead and do it. Eli, what do you think? Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 18154 Cc: 18154@debbugs.gnu.org, 'Eli Zaretskii' , Helmut Eller , Stefan Monnier X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Stefan Kangas writes: >> This was seven years ago -- should we start erroring about this now? > > Another year has passed. I say let's go ahead and do it. Eli, what do you think? I can't recall seeing these messages lately except when there's a real error somewhere, so erroring out is usually better, I think. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jun 30 06:54:56 2022 Received: (at 18154) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Jun 2022 10:54:56 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33036 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1o6rp2-0002T0-D5 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 30 Jun 2022 06:54:56 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:40528) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1o6rp0-0002Sh-6v for 18154@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 30 Jun 2022 06:54:54 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:47170) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1o6rou-00006I-Fp; Thu, 30 Jun 2022 06:54:48 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=ENi2WyS99W3griZc7EDD3uP2NeZfl/yo6JaHiXkx1N8=; b=cNXQ/oTql/l/ RX0KovxUa+CaN3CuEfsyB5M+JMYcb0b9XEmkl1Wm+bYrm04Mf/5DLViA9nPCqOPqtuvIkH3PmXa1s 71w8Ol7YiUspuy8jJLIBzBlfd68c9Bv708hyO+6isevsb5wqcQ6z4NPeHxCMso+uauW+9dQZn2A9C 05J6ZyvKx0Xfq5k7TJO0fXlvFM9/tMuFEAD/micwAgrcUMDpMOvzutOePOvu4FJQiYrFIVtv/jB1V lTpncIa2f8maISuRqPio1oTYhduYFVUdXTqUv4Vu1cSnBS6rm02RT6Z+p+2Gya/E1OsABfzOE7Opp amamzJ98OECDmwWrSXNV4w==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=4711 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1o6rot-0001DE-Ox; Thu, 30 Jun 2022 06:54:48 -0400 Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2022 13:54:56 +0300 Message-Id: <838rpe5slb.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Lars Ingebrigtsen In-Reply-To: <87r136ecpk.fsf@gnus.org> (message from Lars Ingebrigtsen on Thu, 30 Jun 2022 11:13:11 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#18154: 24.4.50; eval-buffer ignores debug-on-error sometimes References: <878s0x4eeb.fsf@gnus.org> <87r136ecpk.fsf@gnus.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 18154 Cc: eller.helmut@gmail.com, stefan@marxist.se, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, 18154@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Lars Ingebrigtsen > Cc: Helmut Eller , 18154@debbugs.gnu.org, Stefan > Monnier , "'Eli Zaretskii'" > Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2022 11:13:11 +0200 > > Stefan Kangas writes: > > >> This was seven years ago -- should we start erroring about this now? > > > > Another year has passed. I say let's go ahead and do it. > > Eli, what do you think? > > I can't recall seeing these messages lately except when there's a real > error somewhere, so erroring out is usually better, I think. We could try -- if that causes too much trouble, reverting should be easy enough. 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Eli Zaretskii writes: > We could try -- if that causes too much trouble, reverting should be > easy enough. OK; now done. Don't see any problems so far during normal usage... 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