From unknown Sun Jun 22 07:56:53 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#18001: default behavior changes Resent-From: "Joel F Rodriguez" Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2014 21:55:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 18001 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 18001@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.14051156785834 (code B ref -1); Fri, 11 Jul 2014 21:55:02 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Jul 2014 21:54:38 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53815 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1X5im5-0001W1-Gw for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 11 Jul 2014 17:54:38 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:44113) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1X5ifG-0001JO-Vd for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 11 Jul 2014 17:47:35 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1X5if1-0000S9-Kw for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 11 Jul 2014 17:47:29 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:43915) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1X5if1-0000S4-Hs for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 11 Jul 2014 17:47:19 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:45539) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1X5ies-0000oS-NP for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Jul 2014 17:47:19 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1X5iej-0008HL-NO for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Jul 2014 17:47:10 -0400 Received: from mta21.charter.net ([216.33.127.81]:58086) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1X5iej-0007n9-Iz for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Jul 2014 17:47:01 -0400 Received: from imp10 ([10.20.200.15]) by mta21.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20140711214633.RRV10448.mta21.charter.net@imp10> for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2014 17:46:33 -0400 Received: from mtaout005.msg.strl.va.charter.net ([68.114.190.30]) by imp10 with smtp.charter.net id R9mZ1o0080fnx6C059mZKm; Fri, 11 Jul 2014 17:46:33 -0400 Received: from impout005 ([68.114.189.20]) by mtaout005.msg.strl.va.charter.net (InterMail vM.9.00.010.00 201-2473-137) with ESMTP id <20140711214633.XSPZ23052.mtaout005.msg.strl.va.charter.net@impout005> for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2014 16:46:33 -0500 Received: from Gossameri52500 ([71.83.116.179]) by impout005 with charter.net id R9mZ1o0023sJe5z019mZTr; Fri, 11 Jul 2014 16:46:33 -0500 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=Sbt5d5hu c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=UnGWayXURV3/S+OdCuftyg==:117 a=UnGWayXURV3/S+OdCuftyg==:17 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=JHHFUuzbhCAA:10 a=8Z6kr8O2AAAA:8 a=DAwyPP_o2Byb1YXLmDAA:9 a=Zr7miEi8wWIA:10 a=cKsnjEOsciEA:10 a=kIRW0LXYGTj9tZCIXqkA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=yMhMjlubAAAA:8 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=35qEjIHM5MBt4BIt3ScA:9 a=nizlzlkPAuwC160b:21 a=gKO2Hq4RSVkA:10 a=UiCQ7L4-1S4A:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=frz4AuCg-hUA:10 From: "Joel F Rodriguez" Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2014 14:46:21 -0700 Message-ID: <00ec01cf9d51$8e033380$aa099a80$@tahoestores.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00ED_01CF9D16.E1A51ED0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 thread-index: Ac+dUY196qlSlZXrT7KveFCxUZTCMA== Content-Language: en-us X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 11 Jul 2014 17:54:35 -0400 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00ED_01CF9D16.E1A51ED0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To whom it may concern, I upgraded my OS to FreeBSD9.2-release and now my installation of emacs seems stuck at displaying just 80 columns. I have spent the better part of day trying to research how to change this and why it changed to no avail. Going over hundreds of lisp files isn't exactly how I want to spend the day when I have work to do. On a personal note I find it archaic that when I bring up emacs in a ssh that it comes up in 80 col mode and will not automatically resize to the width of my window. The days of 80 col crts are long gone. So if you could be so kind as to point me in the right direction, I would appreciate it. Joel ------=_NextPart_000_00ED_01CF9D16.E1A51ED0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

To whom it may = concern,

 

I upgraded my OS to = FreeBSD9.2-release and now my installation of emacs seems stuck at = displaying just 80 columns.

 

I have spent the = better part of day trying to research how to change this and why it = changed to no avail. Going over hundreds of lisp files isn’t = exactly how I want to spend the day when I have work to = do.

 

On a personal note I = find it archaic that when I bring up emacs in a ssh that it comes up in = 80 col mode and will not automatically resize to the width of my window. = The days of 80 col crts are long gone.

 

So if you could be so = kind as to point me in the right direction, I would appreciate = it.

 

Joel

 

------=_NextPart_000_00ED_01CF9D16.E1A51ED0-- From unknown Sun Jun 22 07:56:53 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#18001: default behavior changes In-Reply-To: <00ec01cf9d51$8e033380$aa099a80$@tahoestores.com> Resent-From: Glenn Morris Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2014 02:12:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 18001 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: "Joel F Rodriguez" Cc: 18001@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 18001-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B18001.14051311206286 (code B ref 18001); Sat, 12 Jul 2014 02:12:02 +0000 Received: (at 18001) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Jul 2014 02:12:00 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53873 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1X5mn9-0001dK-UQ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 11 Jul 2014 22:12:00 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:48513 ident=Debian-exim) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1X5mn7-0001d9-M3 for 18001@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 11 Jul 2014 22:11:58 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1X5mn6-0001SX-8r; Fri, 11 Jul 2014 22:11:56 -0400 From: Glenn Morris References: <00ec01cf9d51$8e033380$aa099a80$@tahoestores.com> X-Spook: target kilo class basement Merlin Majic United Nations X-Ran: T*%C@qF(@\zk:QaE.jGNIU%'=cB]x@vp47jB'$VPl,bjx7otc^qbx%nCgj:(`%FT'Y5q$^ X-Hue: red X-Attribution: GM Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2014 22:11:56 -0400 Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -4.9 (----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -4.9 (----) "Joel F Rodriguez" wrote: > I upgraded my OS to FreeBSD9.2-release and now my installation of emacs > seems stuck at displaying just 80 columns. [...] > On a personal note I find it archaic that when I bring up emacs in a ssh > that it comes up in 80 col mode and will not automatically resize to the > width of my window. I'm afraid your report makes little sense to me. What version of Emacs is this? (The latest is 24.3.) Are you running it in a text-terminal, or in graphical mode? Either way, I don't understand. In a text-terminal, Emacs uses whatever the terminal width is. It is as far as I know impossible for it to somehow be "less wide" than the terminal. In graphical mode, you can make the width whatever you like by resizing it in the usual way. From unknown Sun Jun 22 07:56:53 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#18001: default behavior changes Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2014 06:29:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 18001 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: moreinfo To: Glenn Morris Cc: joel@tahoestores.com, 18001@debbugs.gnu.org Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Received: via spool by 18001-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B18001.14051465327493 (code B ref 18001); Sat, 12 Jul 2014 06:29:01 +0000 Received: (at 18001) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Jul 2014 06:28:52 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40352 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1X5qnk-0001wl-63 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 12 Jul 2014 02:28:52 -0400 Received: from mtaout20.012.net.il ([80.179.55.166]:55327) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1X5qng-0001wP-Oo for 18001@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 12 Jul 2014 02:28:50 -0400 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout20.012.net.il by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0N8L006005PDRZ00@a-mtaout20.012.net.il> for 18001@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 12 Jul 2014 09:28:41 +0300 (IDT) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0N8L006XL5ZTIC90@a-mtaout20.012.net.il>; Sat, 12 Jul 2014 09:28:41 +0300 (IDT) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2014 09:28:47 +0300 From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il Message-id: <83r41r9jkw.fsf@gnu.org> References: <00ec01cf9d51$8e033380$aa099a80$@tahoestores.com> X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) > From: Glenn Morris > Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2014 22:11:56 -0400 > Cc: 18001@debbugs.gnu.org > > "Joel F Rodriguez" wrote: > > > I upgraded my OS to FreeBSD9.2-release and now my installation of emacs > > seems stuck at displaying just 80 columns. > [...] > > On a personal note I find it archaic that when I bring up emacs in a ssh > > that it comes up in 80 col mode and will not automatically resize to the > > width of my window. > > I'm afraid your report makes little sense to me. I, too, see little sense here. > In a text-terminal, Emacs uses whatever the terminal width is. > It is as far as I know impossible for it to somehow be "less wide" than > the terminal. Nitpicking: it _is_ possible for Emacs on a TTY to show a frame that is narrower than the terminal, but it requires an explicit user command, and the possibility exists for debugging only. Emacs certainly doesn't do that on startup. From unknown Sun Jun 22 07:56:53 2025 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.503 (Entity 5.503) X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org From: help-debbugs@gnu.org (GNU bug Tracking System) To: "Joel F Rodriguez" Subject: bug#18001: closed (Re: bug#18001: default behavior changes) Message-ID: References: <83egxq9zqy.fsf@gnu.org> <00ec01cf9d51$8e033380$aa099a80$@tahoestores.com> X-Gnu-PR-Message: they-closed 18001 X-Gnu-PR-Package: emacs X-Gnu-PR-Keywords: moreinfo Reply-To: 18001@debbugs.gnu.org Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2014 18:52:03 +0000 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------=_1405191123-23732-1" This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1405191123-23732-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Your bug report #18001: default behavior changes which was filed against the emacs package, has been closed. The explanation is attached below, along with your original report. If you require more details, please reply to 18001@debbugs.gnu.org. --=20 18001: http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D18001 GNU Bug Tracking System Contact help-debbugs@gnu.org with problems ------------=_1405191123-23732-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at 18001-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Jul 2014 18:51:54 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40917 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1X62Oo-0006AS-6R for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 12 Jul 2014 14:51:54 -0400 Received: from mtaout22.012.net.il ([80.179.55.172]:38707) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1X62Oj-0006A4-B6 for 18001-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 12 Jul 2014 14:51:50 -0400 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout22.012.net.il by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0N8M00B003SJCK00@a-mtaout22.012.net.il> for 18001-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 12 Jul 2014 21:51:41 +0300 (IDT) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0N8M00BVS4E59T60@a-mtaout22.012.net.il>; Sat, 12 Jul 2014 21:51:41 +0300 (IDT) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2014 21:51:49 +0300 From: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#18001: default behavior changes In-reply-to: <005901cf9dff$7ba313a0$72e93ae0$@tahoestores.com> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il To: Joel F Rodriguez Message-id: <83egxq9zqy.fsf@gnu.org> References: <00ec01cf9d51$8e033380$aa099a80$@tahoestores.com> <83r41r9jkw.fsf@gnu.org> <005901cf9dff$7ba313a0$72e93ae0$@tahoestores.com> X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 18001-done Cc: 18001-done@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) > From: "Joel F Rodriguez" > Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2014 11:31:22 -0700 > > Since when is a ssl session considered a text terminal? Since about forever. > My observations is somehow the behavior is different, I've been using these > tools for what, 30 years? Then perhaps there's a misunderstanding. > Anyone that runs putty for a remote ssl shell knows that the display width > is set by the width of the window which you can make any size. Yes, and that's exactly what we've been saying. Which means if your terminal emulator (PuTTY, presumably) window is wider than 80 columns, Emacs will display a window that is wider than 80 columns. ------------=_1405191123-23732-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Jul 2014 21:54:38 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53815 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1X5im5-0001W1-Gw for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 11 Jul 2014 17:54:38 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:44113) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1X5ifG-0001JO-Vd for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 11 Jul 2014 17:47:35 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1X5if1-0000S9-Kw for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 11 Jul 2014 17:47:29 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:43915) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1X5if1-0000S4-Hs for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 11 Jul 2014 17:47:19 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:45539) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1X5ies-0000oS-NP for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Jul 2014 17:47:19 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1X5iej-0008HL-NO for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Jul 2014 17:47:10 -0400 Received: from mta21.charter.net ([216.33.127.81]:58086) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1X5iej-0007n9-Iz for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Jul 2014 17:47:01 -0400 Received: from imp10 ([10.20.200.15]) by mta21.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20140711214633.RRV10448.mta21.charter.net@imp10> for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2014 17:46:33 -0400 Received: from mtaout005.msg.strl.va.charter.net ([68.114.190.30]) by imp10 with smtp.charter.net id R9mZ1o0080fnx6C059mZKm; Fri, 11 Jul 2014 17:46:33 -0400 Received: from impout005 ([68.114.189.20]) by mtaout005.msg.strl.va.charter.net (InterMail vM.9.00.010.00 201-2473-137) with ESMTP id <20140711214633.XSPZ23052.mtaout005.msg.strl.va.charter.net@impout005> for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2014 16:46:33 -0500 Received: from Gossameri52500 ([71.83.116.179]) by impout005 with charter.net id R9mZ1o0023sJe5z019mZTr; Fri, 11 Jul 2014 16:46:33 -0500 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=Sbt5d5hu c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=UnGWayXURV3/S+OdCuftyg==:117 a=UnGWayXURV3/S+OdCuftyg==:17 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=JHHFUuzbhCAA:10 a=8Z6kr8O2AAAA:8 a=DAwyPP_o2Byb1YXLmDAA:9 a=Zr7miEi8wWIA:10 a=cKsnjEOsciEA:10 a=kIRW0LXYGTj9tZCIXqkA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=yMhMjlubAAAA:8 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=35qEjIHM5MBt4BIt3ScA:9 a=nizlzlkPAuwC160b:21 a=gKO2Hq4RSVkA:10 a=UiCQ7L4-1S4A:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=frz4AuCg-hUA:10 From: "Joel F Rodriguez" To: Subject: default behavior changes Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2014 14:46:21 -0700 Message-ID: <00ec01cf9d51$8e033380$aa099a80$@tahoestores.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00ED_01CF9D16.E1A51ED0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 thread-index: Ac+dUY196qlSlZXrT7KveFCxUZTCMA== Content-Language: en-us X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 11 Jul 2014 17:54:35 -0400 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00ED_01CF9D16.E1A51ED0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To whom it may concern, I upgraded my OS to FreeBSD9.2-release and now my installation of emacs seems stuck at displaying just 80 columns. I have spent the better part of day trying to research how to change this and why it changed to no avail. Going over hundreds of lisp files isn't exactly how I want to spend the day when I have work to do. On a personal note I find it archaic that when I bring up emacs in a ssh that it comes up in 80 col mode and will not automatically resize to the width of my window. The days of 80 col crts are long gone. So if you could be so kind as to point me in the right direction, I would appreciate it. Joel ------=_NextPart_000_00ED_01CF9D16.E1A51ED0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

To whom it may = concern,

 

I upgraded my OS to = FreeBSD9.2-release and now my installation of emacs seems stuck at = displaying just 80 columns.

 

I have spent the = better part of day trying to research how to change this and why it = changed to no avail. Going over hundreds of lisp files isn’t = exactly how I want to spend the day when I have work to = do.

 

On a personal note I = find it archaic that when I bring up emacs in a ssh that it comes up in = 80 col mode and will not automatically resize to the width of my window. = The days of 80 col crts are long gone.

 

So if you could be so = kind as to point me in the right direction, I would appreciate = it.

 

Joel

 

------=_NextPart_000_00ED_01CF9D16.E1A51ED0-- ------------=_1405191123-23732-1-- From unknown Sun Jun 22 07:56:53 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#18001: default behavior changes Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2014 19:47:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 18001 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: moreinfo To: Joel F Rodriguez Cc: 18001@debbugs.gnu.org Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Received: via spool by 18001-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B18001.140519438529029 (code B ref 18001); Sat, 12 Jul 2014 19:47:02 +0000 Received: (at 18001) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Jul 2014 19:46:25 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40928 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1X63FY-0007Y8-9k for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 12 Jul 2014 15:46:24 -0400 Received: from mtaout24.012.net.il ([80.179.55.180]:33210) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1X63FV-0007Xt-3M for 18001@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 12 Jul 2014 15:46:22 -0400 Received: from conversion-daemon.mtaout24.012.net.il by mtaout24.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0N8M00A006BMGC00@mtaout24.012.net.il> for 18001@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 12 Jul 2014 22:42:32 +0300 (IDT) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by mtaout24.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0N8M007B56QWI440@mtaout24.012.net.il>; Sat, 12 Jul 2014 22:42:32 +0300 (IDT) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2014 22:46:22 +0300 From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: <006f01cf9e08$02536320$06fa2960$@tahoestores.com> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il Message-id: <83d2da9x81.fsf@gnu.org> References: <00ec01cf9d51$8e033380$aa099a80$@tahoestores.com> <83r41r9jkw.fsf@gnu.org> <005901cf9dff$7ba313a0$72e93ae0$@tahoestores.com> <83egxq9zqy.fsf@gnu.org> <006f01cf9e08$02536320$06fa2960$@tahoestores.com> X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) > From: "Joel F Rodriguez" > Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2014 12:32:24 -0700 > > Oh well, win some lose some. > > The emacs option -nw according to the docs: > > -nw, --no-window-system > Tell Emacs not to create a graphical frame. If you > use > this switch when invoking Emacs from an xterm(1) > window, > display is done in that window. > > Hence, the default is a graphical frame. The text window created in a > graphical frame is fixed width regardless of the size of the window. In > fact, some window sizes rendered the fixed width text frame unreadable. > > A text-terminal is more akin to the old console device or to the dec vt100 > display terminals. But even today's consoles, rescale the window size to > some extent. > > Running a remote ssh bears little resemblance to a text-terminal. This has > been true for a decade or more. When you say "run Emacs via ssh", every reasonable human being will understand that you are running a text-mode session in the ssh shell window. If what you actually meant is X over ssh, you should have said that explicitly. In addition, running an X over ssh session, which is indeed a graphical one, the size of the Emacs frame can be controlled either by command-line arguments or by resizing the frame with the mouse. You have been told that in the initial response to your report. For the details, please see the Emacs manual. (And I don't appreciate your making this a personal dispute by consistently omitting the bug address from the CC list and writing only to me personally. Please stop.) From unknown Sun Jun 22 07:56:53 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#18001: default behavior changes Resent-From: "Joel F Rodriguez" Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2014 19:52:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 18001 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: moreinfo To: "'Glenn Morris'" Received: via spool by 18001-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B18001.140519471429563 (code B ref 18001); Sat, 12 Jul 2014 19:52:02 +0000 Received: (at 18001) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Jul 2014 19:51:54 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40932 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1X63Ks-0007gl-CI for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 12 Jul 2014 15:51:54 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:41863 ident=Debian-exim) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1X63Kq-0007gd-Ll for 18001@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 12 Jul 2014 15:51:53 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1X63Kp-00006d-VV for 18001@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 12 Jul 2014 15:51:52 -0400 Resent-Message-ID: <21441.37335.728819.224668@gnu.org> Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2014 15:51:51 -0400 Resent-From: Glenn Morris Resent-To: 18001@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=EotcrEsA c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=UnGWayXURV3/S+OdCuftyg==:117 a=UnGWayXURV3/S+OdCuftyg==:17 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=4DRs4JfoGycA:10 a=JHHFUuzbhCAA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=8Z6kr8O2AAAA:8 a=mDV3o1hIAAAA:8 a=xiO0Rk0aU-R3xTTaI8wA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=yODz45biO_EA:10 a=ii61gXl28gQA:10 References: <00ec01cf9d51$8e033380$aa099a80$@tahoestores.com> In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <004e01cf9dfa$1cf61d70$56e25850$@tahoestores.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thread-Index: AQE388OtAf91KlqXugG7sgppMUHoEgLVSBNvnLViESA= Content-Language: en-us X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 216.33.127.81 Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2014 10:52:56 -0700 From: "Joel F Rodriguez" X-Bogosity: no, spamicity=0.094699, v1.2.1 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 X-Spam-Score: -5.7 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.7 (-----) LOL, it made little sense to me why things were different. But I found my cure, using the -nw option. Sorry for the disturbance. Joel -----Original Message----- From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+joel=tahoestores.com@gnu.org [mailto:bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+joel=tahoestores.com@gnu.org] On Behalf Of Glenn Morris Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 7:12 PM To: Joel F Rodriguez Cc: 18001@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: bug#18001: default behavior changes "Joel F Rodriguez" wrote: > I upgraded my OS to FreeBSD9.2-release and now my installation of > emacs seems stuck at displaying just 80 columns. [...] > On a personal note I find it archaic that when I bring up emacs in a > ssh that it comes up in 80 col mode and will not automatically resize > to the width of my window. I'm afraid your report makes little sense to me. What version of Emacs is this? (The latest is 24.3.) Are you running it in a text-terminal, or in graphical mode? Either way, I don't understand. In a text-terminal, Emacs uses whatever the terminal width is. It is as far as I know impossible for it to somehow be "less wide" than the terminal. In graphical mode, you can make the width whatever you like by resizing it in the usual way. From unknown Sun Jun 22 07:56:53 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#18001: default behavior changes Resent-From: "Joel F Rodriguez" Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2014 20:22:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 18001 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: moreinfo To: "'Glenn Morris'" Received: via spool by 18001-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B18001.140519649332496 (code B ref 18001); Sat, 12 Jul 2014 20:22:02 +0000 Received: (at 18001) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Jul 2014 20:21:33 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40959 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1X63nY-0008S3-6v for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 12 Jul 2014 16:21:33 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:44088 ident=Debian-exim) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1X63nW-0008Rv-JL for 18001@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 12 Jul 2014 16:21:31 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1X63nW-0004Td-5q for 18001@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 12 Jul 2014 16:21:30 -0400 Resent-Message-ID: <21441.39113.978832.231078@gnu.org> Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2014 16:21:29 -0400 Resent-From: Glenn Morris Resent-To: 18001@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=J6Ak7WXS c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=UnGWayXURV3/S+OdCuftyg==:117 a=UnGWayXURV3/S+OdCuftyg==:17 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=4DRs4JfoGycA:10 a=JHHFUuzbhCAA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=8Z6kr8O2AAAA:8 a=mDV3o1hIAAAA:8 a=xiO0Rk0aU-R3xTTaI8wA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=yODz45biO_EA:10 a=ii61gXl28gQA:10 References: <00ec01cf9d51$8e033380$aa099a80$@tahoestores.com> In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <007401cf9e0d$b0323e80$1096bb80$@tahoestores.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thread-Index: AQE388OtAf91KlqXugG7sgppMUHoEgLVSBNvnLWH0nA= Content-Language: en-us X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 216.33.127.82 Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2014 13:13:03 -0700 From: "Joel F Rodriguez" X-Bogosity: unsure, spamicity=0.105313, v1.2.1 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 X-Spam-Score: -5.7 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.7 (-----) Thanks for the clarification. But my experience doesn't quite fit with your explanation in graphical mode. That was the crux of the problem. In graphical mode I could not resize the emacs display by resizing the window. It stayed fixed width and at times would not display at all under certain window sizes. Using -nw, which according to the docs is not using "graphical mode" results in the display behavior you describe for "text-terminal". Thanks. Joel -----Original Message----- From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+joel=tahoestores.com@gnu.org [mailto:bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+joel=tahoestores.com@gnu.org] On Behalf Of Glenn Morris Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 7:12 PM To: Joel F Rodriguez Cc: 18001@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: bug#18001: default behavior changes "Joel F Rodriguez" wrote: > I upgraded my OS to FreeBSD9.2-release and now my installation of > emacs seems stuck at displaying just 80 columns. [...] > On a personal note I find it archaic that when I bring up emacs in a > ssh that it comes up in 80 col mode and will not automatically resize > to the width of my window. I'm afraid your report makes little sense to me. What version of Emacs is this? (The latest is 24.3.) Are you running it in a text-terminal, or in graphical mode? Either way, I don't understand. In a text-terminal, Emacs uses whatever the terminal width is. It is as far as I know impossible for it to somehow be "less wide" than the terminal. In graphical mode, you can make the width whatever you like by resizing it in the usual way. From unknown Sun Jun 22 07:56:53 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#18001: default behavior changes Resent-From: Glenn Morris Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2014 20:28:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 18001 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: moreinfo To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: 18001@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 18001-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B18001.1405196879643 (code B ref 18001); Sat, 12 Jul 2014 20:28:01 +0000 Received: (at 18001) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Jul 2014 20:27:59 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40967 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1X63tm-0000AJ-L5 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 12 Jul 2014 16:27:58 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:44574 ident=Debian-exim) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1X63tk-0000AA-BU for 18001@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 12 Jul 2014 16:27:57 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1X63ti-0000au-Q2; Sat, 12 Jul 2014 16:27:54 -0400 From: Glenn Morris References: <00ec01cf9d51$8e033380$aa099a80$@tahoestores.com> <83r41r9jkw.fsf@gnu.org> <005901cf9dff$7ba313a0$72e93ae0$@tahoestores.com> <83egxq9zqy.fsf@gnu.org> <006f01cf9e08$02536320$06fa2960$@tahoestores.com> <83d2da9x81.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spook: fissionable Saddam Hussein Ft. Bragg Rand Corporation X-Ran: (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sat, 12 Jul 2014 22:46:22 +0300") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -5.7 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.7 (-----) Eli Zaretskii wrote: > consistently omitting the bug address from the CC list and writing When people do this to me, then unless they have written something clearly intended to be private, I just assume it was a mistake and resend it to the bug address. Some people don't seem to get that "reply-to-all" is the way to go with bug reports. From unknown Sun Jun 22 07:56:53 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#18001: default behavior changes Resent-From: "Joel F Rodriguez" Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2014 21:30:03 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 18001 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: moreinfo To: "'Glenn Morris'" , "'Eli Zaretskii'" Cc: 18001@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 18001-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B18001.14052005496732 (code B ref 18001); Sat, 12 Jul 2014 21:30:03 +0000 Received: (at 18001) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Jul 2014 21:29:09 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40981 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1X64qy-0001kV-1y for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 12 Jul 2014 17:29:08 -0400 Received: from mta31.charter.net ([216.33.127.82]:45479) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1X64qv-0001jz-9i for 18001@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 12 Jul 2014 17:29:05 -0400 Received: from imp10 ([10.20.200.15]) by mta31.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.02 201-2260-151-103-20110920) with ESMTP id <20140712212859.ZGNO6769.mta31.charter.net@imp10>; Sat, 12 Jul 2014 17:28:59 -0400 Received: from mtaout005.msg.strl.va.charter.net ([68.114.190.30]) by imp10 with smtp.charter.net id RZUz1o0040fnx6C05ZUzx7; Sat, 12 Jul 2014 17:28:59 -0400 Received: from impout004 ([68.114.189.19]) by mtaout005.msg.strl.va.charter.net (InterMail vM.9.00.010.00 201-2473-137) with ESMTP id <20140712212858.HXFJ23052.mtaout005.msg.strl.va.charter.net@impout004>; Sat, 12 Jul 2014 16:28:58 -0500 Received: from Gossameri52500 ([71.83.116.179]) by impout004 with charter.net id RZUo1o00D3sJe5z01ZUomb; Sat, 12 Jul 2014 16:28:58 -0500 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=C/BnyG/+ c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=UnGWayXURV3/S+OdCuftyg==:117 a=UnGWayXURV3/S+OdCuftyg==:17 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=4DRs4JfoGycA:10 a=JHHFUuzbhCAA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=8Z6kr8O2AAAA:8 a=mDV3o1hIAAAA:8 a=ezKMSa6WwDua048elEAA:9 a=v1vBPZQtTZvhkDW5:21 a=AcxkeNJiKWoIVQ3Z:21 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=yODz45biO_EA:10 a=ii61gXl28gQA:10 From: "Joel F Rodriguez" References: <00ec01cf9d51$8e033380$aa099a80$@tahoestores.com> <83r41r9jkw.fsf@gnu.org> <005901cf9dff$7ba313a0$72e93ae0$@tahoestores.com> <83egxq9zqy.fsf@gnu.org> <006f01cf9e08$02536320$06fa2960$@tahoestores.com> <83d2da9x81.fsf@gnu.org> In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2014 14:28:36 -0700 Message-ID: <007b01cf9e18$42f945b0$c8ebd110$@tahoestores.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQE388OtAf91KlqXugG7sgppMUHoEgLVSBNvAtngZeYBVtYUUwE7VyHqAeJDqn4B+JkEMgFVNJH5nGC5mbA= Content-Language: en-us X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) Hi Eli, If you are asking did I find or read endless docs dealing with the proper etiquette for submitting a bug report to emacs? Then you are correct, I did not. The problem seems far too simple as to require extensive explanations and details un-related to solving the problem. I mean, how many versions of emacs are current under Freebsd-9.2-release? Exactly one. No, I got far too much static relative to semantics and no answers. The answer was so simple, I forgot it. I guess I confused the issue when I asked what changed. After 40 years in this field I can assure you it is much more important to come up with a simple answer, then to go off on a rage on bug reporters not being familiar with your specific jargon. I mean who still talks about text-terminals in the real world? This is indicative of the emacs docs on the whole, its primary keys are technical specific terms which makes it nearly impossible to format a query to google unless you have had your head buried in the source codes for months. Again, sorry for the ruckus, but I do like the old saying, "if it ain't broke, break it". Joel -----Original Message----- From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+joel=tahoestores.com@gnu.org [mailto:bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+joel=tahoestores.com@gnu.org] On Behalf Of Glenn Morris Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2014 1:28 PM To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: 18001@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: bug#18001: default behavior changes Eli Zaretskii wrote: > consistently omitting the bug address from the CC list and writing When people do this to me, then unless they have written something clearly intended to be private, I just assume it was a mistake and resend it to the bug address. Some people don't seem to get that "reply-to-all" is the way to go with bug reports. From unknown Sun Jun 22 07:56:53 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#18001: default behavior changes Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2014 03:50:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 18001 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: moreinfo To: Joel F Rodriguez Cc: rgm@gnu.org, 18001@debbugs.gnu.org Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Received: via spool by 18001-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B18001.14052233936302 (code B ref 18001); Sun, 13 Jul 2014 03:50:02 +0000 Received: (at 18001) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Jul 2014 03:49:53 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53391 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1X6AnQ-0001dZ-4i for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 12 Jul 2014 23:49:53 -0400 Received: from mtaout20.012.net.il ([80.179.55.166]:53108) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1X6AnM-0001dK-U1 for 18001@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 12 Jul 2014 23:49:50 -0400 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout20.012.net.il by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0N8M00H00SR95300@a-mtaout20.012.net.il> for 18001@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 13 Jul 2014 06:49:42 +0300 (IDT) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0N8M00GMBTATTY30@a-mtaout20.012.net.il>; Sun, 13 Jul 2014 06:49:42 +0300 (IDT) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2014 06:49:50 +0300 From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: <007401cf9e0d$b0323e80$1096bb80$@tahoestores.com> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il Message-id: <83a98dapep.fsf@gnu.org> References: <00ec01cf9d51$8e033380$aa099a80$@tahoestores.com> <007401cf9e0d$b0323e80$1096bb80$@tahoestores.com> X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) > Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2014 13:13:03 -0700 > From: "Joel F Rodriguez" > > In graphical mode I could not resize the emacs display by resizing > the window. It stayed fixed width and at times would not display at > all under certain window sizes. How did you try to resize it? From unknown Sun Jun 22 07:56:53 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#18001: default behavior changes Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2014 03:58:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 18001 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: moreinfo To: Joel F Rodriguez Cc: rgm@gnu.org, 18001@debbugs.gnu.org Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Received: via spool by 18001-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B18001.14052238216956 (code B ref 18001); Sun, 13 Jul 2014 03:58:02 +0000 Received: (at 18001) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Jul 2014 03:57:01 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53395 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1X6AuK-0001o3-Sm for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 12 Jul 2014 23:57:01 -0400 Received: from mtaout27.012.net.il ([80.179.55.183]:58915) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1X6AuH-0001nk-Cx for 18001@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 12 Jul 2014 23:56:58 -0400 Received: from conversion-daemon.mtaout27.012.net.il by mtaout27.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0N8M00N00T7AMZ00@mtaout27.012.net.il> for 18001@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 13 Jul 2014 06:52:50 +0300 (IDT) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by mtaout27.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0N8M00IS8TG28U50@mtaout27.012.net.il>; Sun, 13 Jul 2014 06:52:50 +0300 (IDT) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2014 06:56:59 +0300 From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: <007b01cf9e18$42f945b0$c8ebd110$@tahoestores.com> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il Message-id: <838unxap2s.fsf@gnu.org> References: <00ec01cf9d51$8e033380$aa099a80$@tahoestores.com> <83r41r9jkw.fsf@gnu.org> <005901cf9dff$7ba313a0$72e93ae0$@tahoestores.com> <83egxq9zqy.fsf@gnu.org> <006f01cf9e08$02536320$06fa2960$@tahoestores.com> <83d2da9x81.fsf@gnu.org> <007b01cf9e18$42f945b0$c8ebd110$@tahoestores.com> X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) > From: "Joel F Rodriguez" > Cc: <18001@debbugs.gnu.org> > Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2014 14:28:36 -0700 > > The problem seems far too simple as to require extensive explanations and > details un-related to solving the problem. And yet even now, after half a dozen exchanges, neither you nor we understand why the problem happened to you, why you couldn't resize a graphics frame. > No, I got far too much static relative to semantics and no answers. It is unfortunate that so many messages have come and gone without any real understanding of your problem. Perhaps it would have helped if you answered our questions. > The answer was so simple, I forgot it. I guess I confused the issue > when I asked what changed. Going to -nw is _not_ the answer. GUI frames _can_ be resized, I do that every day. Their initial size _can_ be controlled, both from the command-line arguments you use to invoke Emacs, and from your ~/.emacs init file. > After 40 years in this field I can assure you it is much more important to > come up with a simple answer, then to go off on a rage on bug reporters not > being familiar with your specific jargon. I mean who still talks about > text-terminals in the real world? This is indicative of the emacs docs on > the whole, its primary keys are technical specific terms which makes it > nearly impossible to format a query to google unless you have had your head > buried in the source codes for months. The text-mode sessions are still widely used and are completely covered in the documentation. > Again, sorry for the ruckus, but I do like the old saying, "if it ain't > broke, break it". Evidently, something _is_ broke on your system, or in how you invoke/use Emacs. From unknown Sun Jun 22 07:56:53 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#18001: default behavior changes Resent-From: "Joel F Rodriguez" Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2014 17:34:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 18001 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: moreinfo To: "'Eli Zaretskii'" Cc: rgm@gnu.org, 18001@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 18001-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B18001.14052728381119 (code B ref 18001); Sun, 13 Jul 2014 17:34:01 +0000 Received: (at 18001) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Jul 2014 17:33:58 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53870 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1X6Nev-0000Hy-4T for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 13 Jul 2014 13:33:57 -0400 Received: from mta11.charter.net ([216.33.127.80]:36590) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1X6Nes-0000Hg-Le for 18001@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 13 Jul 2014 13:33:55 -0400 Received: from imp10 ([10.20.200.15]) by mta11.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20140713173348.PXXQ6169.mta11.charter.net@imp10>; Sun, 13 Jul 2014 13:33:48 -0400 Received: from mtaout005.msg.strl.va.charter.net ([68.114.190.30]) by imp10 with smtp.charter.net id RtZo1o0070fnx6C05tZoMD; Sun, 13 Jul 2014 13:33:48 -0400 Received: from impout003 ([68.114.189.18]) by mtaout005.msg.strl.va.charter.net (InterMail vM.9.00.010.00 201-2473-137) with ESMTP id <20140713173348.RFNS23052.mtaout005.msg.strl.va.charter.net@impout003>; Sun, 13 Jul 2014 12:33:48 -0500 Received: from Gossameri52500 ([71.83.116.179]) by impout003 with charter.net id RtZo1o0013sJe5z01tZonK; Sun, 13 Jul 2014 12:33:48 -0500 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=EotcrEsA c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=UnGWayXURV3/S+OdCuftyg==:117 a=UnGWayXURV3/S+OdCuftyg==:17 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=4DRs4JfoGycA:10 a=JHHFUuzbhCAA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=8Z6kr8O2AAAA:8 a=6I5d2MoRAAAA:8 a=mDV3o1hIAAAA:8 a=4kepBHRe0iuSOaDBRqYA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=ZsDWZXk1SdIA:10 a=ii61gXl28gQA:10 a=yODz45biO_EA:10 From: "Joel F Rodriguez" References: <00ec01cf9d51$8e033380$aa099a80$@tahoestores.com> <83r41r9jkw.fsf@gnu.org> <005901cf9dff$7ba313a0$72e93ae0$@tahoestores.com> <83egxq9zqy.fsf@gnu.org> <006f01cf9e08$02536320$06fa2960$@tahoestores.com> <83d2da9x81.fsf@gnu.org> <007b01cf9e18$42f945b0$c8ebd110$@tahoestores.com> <838unxap2s.fsf@gnu.org> In-Reply-To: <838unxap2s.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2014 10:33:34 -0700 Message-ID: <004101cf9ec0$92ebcc70$b8c36550$@tahoestores.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 thread-index: AQE388OtAf91KlqXugG7sgppMUHoEgLVSBNvAtngZeYBVtYUUwE7VyHqAeJDqn4B+JkEMgFVNJH5Acny0lgA6HDY7JxMcl8Q Content-Language: en-us X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) OK Eli, my apology. I don't often resort to consulting with bug lists and I had just spent a solid day upgrading my FreeBSD system. I agree, it appears -nw is not the answer and my initial observations that it solved the problem have since disappeared. So ok, I just rebuilt which amounts to running 'freebsd-update -r 9.2-RELEASE upgrade' followed by ' /usr/sbin/freebsd-update install'. The procedure is documented at http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/updating-upgrading-freebsdupdate.html Portmaster was installed and run after the successful upgrade and the system spent the night rebuilding all the ports. The next day when I used putty to SSH to the server and start emacs I would get a fixed width version (80cols) of emacs running in a resizable window. If I resized the window emacs would disappear from view. When I stated default behavior, that is what I meant, I do not customize emacs in anyway shape or form, I use just what the port install gives me. So naturally I started playing with the config files to no avail. I also rebuilt the emacs-devel version. Four hours later I submitted my bug report. The version of emacs installed via ports is version 24.3.1. SSH and emacs are my go to tools to maintain my servers, so I was a bit bummed with the fixed width stuff. So much so I installed the latest version of Cygwin on my win7 workstation. An xterm session to the host revealed that emacs was resizing correctly so this issue was limited to SSH. The xterm session also lacks some cut/paste features I use and I'm not that fond of bash. After that I tried the -nw option which seemed to work. To continue with the story, I then built gnome2 to checkout their desktop(kinda sucks) and spent another day installing various X11 stuff and Gnome2 tools. Somewhere along the way my 'emacs -nw' alias stopped working and viola emacs started correctly resizing in a SSH window. Thanks for your persistence. Joel -----Original Message----- From: Eli Zaretskii [mailto:eliz@gnu.org] Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2014 8:57 PM To: Joel F Rodriguez Cc: rgm@gnu.org; 18001@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#18001: default behavior changes > From: "Joel F Rodriguez" > Cc: <18001@debbugs.gnu.org> > Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2014 14:28:36 -0700 > > The problem seems far too simple as to require extensive explanations > and details un-related to solving the problem. And yet even now, after half a dozen exchanges, neither you nor we understand why the problem happened to you, why you couldn't resize a graphics frame. > No, I got far too much static relative to semantics and no answers. It is unfortunate that so many messages have come and gone without any real understanding of your problem. Perhaps it would have helped if you answered our questions. > The answer was so simple, I forgot it. I guess I confused the issue > when I asked what changed. Going to -nw is _not_ the answer. GUI frames _can_ be resized, I do that every day. Their initial size _can_ be controlled, both from the command-line arguments you use to invoke Emacs, and from your ~/.emacs init file. > After 40 years in this field I can assure you it is much more > important to come up with a simple answer, then to go off on a rage on > bug reporters not being familiar with your specific jargon. I mean who > still talks about text-terminals in the real world? This is indicative > of the emacs docs on the whole, its primary keys are technical > specific terms which makes it nearly impossible to format a query to > google unless you have had your head buried in the source codes for months. The text-mode sessions are still widely used and are completely covered in the documentation. > Again, sorry for the ruckus, but I do like the old saying, "if it > ain't broke, break it". Evidently, something _is_ broke on your system, or in how you invoke/use Emacs. From unknown Sun Jun 22 07:56:53 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#18001: default behavior changes Resent-From: "Joel F Rodriguez" Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2014 17:54:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 18001 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: moreinfo To: "'Eli Zaretskii'" Cc: 18001@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 18001-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B18001.14052739953076 (code B ref 18001); Sun, 13 Jul 2014 17:54:01 +0000 Received: (at 18001) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Jul 2014 17:53:15 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53878 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1X6Nxb-0000nY-Cf for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 13 Jul 2014 13:53:15 -0400 Received: from mta11.charter.net ([216.33.127.80]:35922) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1X6NxZ-0000nL-P6 for 18001@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 13 Jul 2014 13:53:14 -0400 Received: from imp09 ([10.20.200.9]) by mta11.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20140713175308.QPRY6169.mta11.charter.net@imp09>; Sun, 13 Jul 2014 13:53:08 -0400 Received: from mtaout001.msg.strl.va.charter.net ([68.114.190.26]) by imp09 with smtp.charter.net id Rtt81o0050adFl805tt8CJ; Sun, 13 Jul 2014 13:53:08 -0400 Received: from impout004 ([68.114.189.19]) by mtaout001.msg.strl.va.charter.net (InterMail vM.9.00.010.00 201-2473-137) with ESMTP id <20140713175308.RLJM22234.mtaout001.msg.strl.va.charter.net@impout004>; Sun, 13 Jul 2014 12:53:08 -0500 Received: from Gossameri52500 ([71.83.116.179]) by impout004 with charter.net id Rtt71o00D3sJe5z01tt7UU; Sun, 13 Jul 2014 12:53:08 -0500 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=C/BnyG/+ c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=UnGWayXURV3/S+OdCuftyg==:117 a=UnGWayXURV3/S+OdCuftyg==:17 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=4DRs4JfoGycA:10 a=JHHFUuzbhCAA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=8Z6kr8O2AAAA:8 a=mDV3o1hIAAAA:8 a=LuXKoST0yo4TakJVcREA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=yODz45biO_EA:10 a=ii61gXl28gQA:10 From: "Joel F Rodriguez" References: <00ec01cf9d51$8e033380$aa099a80$@tahoestores.com> <007401cf9e0d$b0323e80$1096bb80$@tahoestores.com> <83a98dapep.fsf@gnu.org> In-Reply-To: <83a98dapep.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2014 10:52:54 -0700 Message-ID: <004201cf9ec3$46015ee0$d2041ca0$@tahoestores.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 thread-index: AQE388OtAf91KlqXugG7sgppMUHoEgLVSBNvAkIYClECDpLKUJyUb19w Content-Language: en-us X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) With my mouse:) -----Original Message----- From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+joel=tahoestores.com@gnu.org [mailto:bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+joel=tahoestores.com@gnu.org] On Behalf Of Eli Zaretskii Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2014 8:50 PM To: Joel F Rodriguez Cc: 18001@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: bug#18001: default behavior changes > Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2014 13:13:03 -0700 > From: "Joel F Rodriguez" > > In graphical mode I could not resize the emacs display by resizing the > window. It stayed fixed width and at times would not display at all > under certain window sizes. How did you try to resize it?