From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Jul 09 22:35:47 2014 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Jul 2014 02:35:47 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51510 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1X54D4-0005mH-Eo for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2014 22:35:46 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:38192) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1X54D0-0005ly-El for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2014 22:35:43 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1X54Ck-0007lS-QG for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2014 22:35:37 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:33390) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1X54Ck-0007lO-NF for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2014 22:35:26 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:39839) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1X54Cb-0007bp-Ty for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2014 22:35:26 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1X54CT-0007is-63 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2014 22:35:17 -0400 Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:28841) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1X54CS-0007iT-V6 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2014 22:35:09 -0400 Received: from ucsinet21.oracle.com (ucsinet21.oracle.com [156.151.31.93]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id s6A2Z6vW013745 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2014 02:35:07 GMT Received: from userz7021.oracle.com (userz7021.oracle.com [156.151.31.85]) by ucsinet21.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id s6A2Z5k3016627 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2014 02:35:06 GMT Received: from abhmp0018.oracle.com (abhmp0018.oracle.com [141.146.116.24]) by userz7021.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id s6A2Z5Eb016621 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2014 02:35:05 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2014 19:35:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 24.4.50; digit keys in *Messages* unhelpful, hang Emacs, etc. X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.8 (707110) [OL 12.0.6691.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: ucsinet21.oracle.com [156.151.31.93] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x-2.6.x [generic] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) emacs -Q C-x b *Messages* C-h k 7 Tells you that 7 is bound to `digit-argument'. Why? It should NOT be. It is useful to be able to write text in *Messages*, e.g., to set off or group sets of debug messages. There is no need for digit N to be a short cut for C-u N in buffer *Messages*. C-x C-q ; Make the buffer writable Unfortunately, Emacs has recently screwed *Messages* so that most keys are not self-inserting. This was misguided. Be that as it may... C-q H C-q e C-q l C-q p C-q ! Painful, but OK so far. Now try this: C-q 7 Nothing. Nada. C-q 7 C-q 7 C-q 7. You see ^G inserted each time (except the first) that you hit C-q (not when you hit 7), because 7 acts as a prefix arg for the following ^Q. Wunderbar. A feature, no doubt. C-q 7 7 7. Now Emacs is hosed - in Neverneverland. ESC ESC ESC no good; C-g no good. No mouse, no keys, nada. And no CPU use. Just hosed. The only recourse is to kill the Emacs task from the Windows Task Manager. OK, you might not see this freezing behavior each time. Sometimes C-g does quit OK, as does C-b, muose-1 etc. Hit C-q and then hold 7 down for a few seconds, then C-g. If Emacs is not frozen solid and C-g works then you get helpful feedback such as this: Quit user-error: A-C-H-M-S-s- is not a valid character Other times, Emacs freezes solid. Regardless of whether it freezes each time, if you hit C-q and then 7 one or more times there is no feedback - already a no-no (bug). C-q should simply quote the 7, as it should quote other characters you type (including ^U, BTW). Trying to "improve" *Messages* for Emacs 24 was misguided. It is far less useful now than it was before. Is there even one change that was made that represents progress - something useful? Please consider reverting it to what it was since Day One. Barring that requested return to sanity, please at least fix the C-q behavior. Thx. In GNU Emacs 24.4.50.1 (i686-pc-mingw32) of 2014-06-28 on ODIEONE Bzr revision: 117431 rgm@gnu.org-20140628015517-eku6hj8mpgcvfnso Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 6.1.7601 Configured using: `configure --prefix=3D/c/Devel/emacs/snapshot/trunk --enable-checking=3Dyes,glyphs 'CFLAGS=3D-O0 -g3' LDFLAGS=3D-Lc:/Devel/emacs/lib 'CPPFLAGS=3D-DGC_MCHECK=3D1 -Ic:/Devel/emacs/include'' From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Jul 09 22:42:35 2014 Received: (at 17983) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Jul 2014 02:42:35 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51516 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1X54Je-00061N-Nt for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2014 22:42:35 -0400 Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:42180) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1X54Jb-000617-OY for 17983@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2014 22:42:32 -0400 Received: from ucsinet21.oracle.com (ucsinet21.oracle.com [156.151.31.93]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id s6A2gO8U001692 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for <17983@debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 10 Jul 2014 02:42:25 GMT Received: from aserz7022.oracle.com (aserz7022.oracle.com [141.146.126.231]) by ucsinet21.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id s6A2gNLI025747 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for <17983@debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 10 Jul 2014 02:42:24 GMT Received: from abhmp0018.oracle.com (abhmp0018.oracle.com [141.146.116.24]) by aserz7022.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id s6A2gMiY021273 for <17983@debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 10 Jul 2014 02:42:22 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <7efcab49-ece9-4ff6-927c-72eafd8026d3@default> Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2014 19:42:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams To: 17983@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: RE: bug#17983: 24.4.50; digit keys in *Messages* unhelpful, hang Emacs, etc. References: In-Reply-To: X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.8 (707110) [OL 12.0.6691.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: ucsinet21.oracle.com [156.151.31.93] X-Spam-Score: -3.0 (---) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 17983 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.0 (---) > C-q should simply quote the 7, as it should quote other characters you > type (including ^U, BTW). ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ (I meant that it already does correctly quote ^U.) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jul 10 03:10:57 2014 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Jul 2014 07:10:57 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51635 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1X58VN-0005C6-94 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 10 Jul 2014 03:10:57 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:37823 ident=Debian-exim) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1X58VK-0005By-UZ for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 10 Jul 2014 03:10:55 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1X58VK-0007kp-NW for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 10 Jul 2014 03:10:54 -0400 Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2014 03:10:54 -0400 Message-Id: Subject: control message for bug 17983 To: X-Mailer: mail (GNU Mailutils 2.1) From: Glenn Morris X-Spam-Score: -5.7 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.7 (-----) tag 17983 wontfix From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jul 10 03:10:30 2014 Received: (at 17983-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Jul 2014 07:10:30 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51632 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1X58Uv-0005BK-RL for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 10 Jul 2014 03:10:30 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:37803 ident=Debian-exim) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1X58Ut-0005BA-8B for 17983-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 10 Jul 2014 03:10:28 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1X58Ur-0007fH-EV; Thu, 10 Jul 2014 03:10:25 -0400 From: Glenn Morris To: 17983-done@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#17983: 24.4.50; digit keys in *Messages* unhelpful, hang Emacs, etc. References: <7efcab49-ece9-4ff6-927c-72eafd8026d3@default> X-Spook: Telex Bruxelles csystems fundamentalist KGB virus InfoSec X-Ran: >M#HS`k(tSx)Z~H{Tg_5KIGCm<(<)8kEoZyb'#'e">D^HOg5. X-Hue: red X-Attribution: GM Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2014 03:10:25 -0400 In-Reply-To: <7efcab49-ece9-4ff6-927c-72eafd8026d3@default> (Drew Adams's message of "Wed, 9 Jul 2014 19:42:22 -0700 (PDT)") Message-ID: <02fvi9it9a.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -5.7 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 17983-done X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.7 (-----) Part of this is you trying http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2013-09/msg00284.html again. This is about the third time now. Give it a rest. For the rest, read the help of quoted-insert. If you want to type text, maybe try text-mode? If you have a clear, reproducible recipe to freeze Emacs starting from emacs -Q, I suggest opening a new report that just gives that recipe, minus all the invective. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jul 10 09:55:40 2014 Received: (at 17983-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Jul 2014 13:55:40 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52110 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1X5Eoy-0003OS-Vk for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 10 Jul 2014 09:55:37 -0400 Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:43278) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1X5Eot-0003Mm-D1 for 17983-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 10 Jul 2014 09:55:32 -0400 Received: from acsinet21.oracle.com (acsinet21.oracle.com [141.146.126.237]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id s6ADtNiC008862 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 10 Jul 2014 13:55:25 GMT Received: from aserz7021.oracle.com (aserz7021.oracle.com [141.146.126.230]) by acsinet21.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id s6ADtMWY013895 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 10 Jul 2014 13:55:23 GMT Received: from abhmp0018.oracle.com (abhmp0018.oracle.com [141.146.116.24]) by aserz7021.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id s6ADtLig013882; Thu, 10 Jul 2014 13:55:21 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <6cf9407e-7873-45dc-a242-214a6f7b05ec@default> Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2014 06:55:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams To: Glenn Morris , 17983-done@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: RE: bug#17983: 24.4.50; digit keys in *Messages* unhelpful, hang Emacs, etc. References: <7efcab49-ece9-4ff6-927c-72eafd8026d3@default> <02fvi9it9a.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> In-Reply-To: <02fvi9it9a.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.8 (707110) [OL 12.0.6691.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: acsinet21.oracle.com [141.146.126.237] X-Spam-Score: -3.0 (---) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 17983-done X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.0 (---) > If you have a clear, reproducible recipe to freeze Emacs starting from > emacs -Q I provided such a recipe. Did you try it? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jul 10 10:58:06 2014 Received: (at 17983) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Jul 2014 14:58:07 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52283 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1X5FnO-0005Kh-T2 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 10 Jul 2014 10:58:06 -0400 Received: from mtaout21.012.net.il ([80.179.55.169]:41504) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1X5FnG-0005Js-SK for 17983@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 10 Jul 2014 10:57:58 -0400 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout21.012.net.il by a-mtaout21.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0N8I006004865C00@a-mtaout21.012.net.il> for 17983@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 10 Jul 2014 17:57:47 +0300 (IDT) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout21.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0N8I005VT48BUG60@a-mtaout21.012.net.il>; Thu, 10 Jul 2014 17:57:47 +0300 (IDT) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2014 17:57:49 +0300 From: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#17983: 24.4.50; digit keys in *Messages* unhelpful, hang Emacs, etc. In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il To: Drew Adams Message-id: <83y4w1b6s2.fsf@gnu.org> References: X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 17983 Cc: 17983@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) > Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2014 19:35:05 -0700 (PDT) > From: Drew Adams > > C-q 7 > > Nothing. Nada. > > C-q 7 C-q 7 C-q 7. You see ^G inserted each time (except the first) > that you hit C-q (not when you hit 7), because 7 acts as a prefix arg > for the following ^Q. Wunderbar. A feature, no doubt. As Glenn points out, this is normal (and very old) behavior of C-q, which is well documented. > C-q 7 7 7. Now Emacs is hosed - in Neverneverland. ESC ESC ESC no > good; C-g no good. No mouse, no keys, nada. And no CPU use. Just > hosed. Not here, it isn't. After "C-q 7 7 7", any key gets something inserted, and there's no hang. None. > Regardless of whether it freezes each time, if you hit C-q and then > 7 one or more times there is no feedback - already a no-no (bug). That's indeed a bug, worthy of a separate bug report. But everything else you describe isn't, or is not reproducible here. > C-q should simply quote the 7, as it should quote other characters you > type (including ^U, BTW). No, numeric characters after C-q behave specially. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jul 10 11:12:32 2014 Received: (at 17983-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Jul 2014 15:12:32 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52320 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1X5G1M-0005og-22 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 10 Jul 2014 11:12:31 -0400 Received: from mtaout25.012.net.il ([80.179.55.181]:51670) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1X5G1H-0005oI-0z for 17983-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 10 Jul 2014 11:12:27 -0400 Received: from conversion-daemon.mtaout25.012.net.il by mtaout25.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0N8I0010049ED200@mtaout25.012.net.il> for 17983-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 10 Jul 2014 18:08:02 +0300 (IDT) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by mtaout25.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0N8I00KKL4PEFR70@mtaout25.012.net.il>; Thu, 10 Jul 2014 18:08:02 +0300 (IDT) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2014 18:12:19 +0300 From: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#17983: 24.4.50; digit keys in *Messages* unhelpful, hang Emacs, etc. In-reply-to: <6cf9407e-7873-45dc-a242-214a6f7b05ec@default> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il To: Drew Adams Message-id: <83r41tb63w.fsf@gnu.org> References: <7efcab49-ece9-4ff6-927c-72eafd8026d3@default> <02fvi9it9a.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <6cf9407e-7873-45dc-a242-214a6f7b05ec@default> X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 17983-done Cc: rgm@gnu.org, 17983-done@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) > Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2014 06:55:21 -0700 (PDT) > From: Drew Adams > > > If you have a clear, reproducible recipe to freeze Emacs starting from > > emacs -Q > > I provided such a recipe. Did you try it? I did. It didn't hang for me. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jul 10 11:29:37 2014 Received: (at 17983) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Jul 2014 15:29:37 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52341 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1X5GHw-0006Lc-60 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 10 Jul 2014 11:29:36 -0400 Received: from mtaout26.012.net.il ([80.179.55.182]:46837) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1X5GHu-0006LF-4q for 17983@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 10 Jul 2014 11:29:35 -0400 Received: from conversion-daemon.mtaout26.012.net.il by mtaout26.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0N8I007005D9HY00@mtaout26.012.net.il> for 17983@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 10 Jul 2014 18:25:10 +0300 (IDT) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by mtaout26.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0N8I007KY5HYJB00@mtaout26.012.net.il>; Thu, 10 Jul 2014 18:25:10 +0300 (IDT) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2014 18:29:30 +0300 From: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#17983: 24.4.50; digit keys in *Messages* unhelpful, hang Emacs, etc. In-reply-to: <83y4w1b6s2.fsf@gnu.org> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il To: drew.adams@oracle.com Message-id: <83lhs1b5b9.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83y4w1b6s2.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 17983 Cc: 17983@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) > Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2014 17:57:49 +0300 > From: Eli Zaretskii > Cc: 17983@debbugs.gnu.org > > > Regardless of whether it freezes each time, if you hit C-q and then > > 7 one or more times there is no feedback - already a no-no (bug). > > That's indeed a bug, worthy of a separate bug report. I've just reported it. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jul 10 12:26:09 2014 Received: (at 17983) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Jul 2014 16:26:09 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52372 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1X5HAa-0008DF-T2 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 10 Jul 2014 12:26:09 -0400 Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:34902) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1X5HAV-0008Ce-2K for 17983@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 10 Jul 2014 12:26:03 -0400 Received: from ucsinet22.oracle.com (ucsinet22.oracle.com [156.151.31.94]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id s6AGPq7r018708 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 10 Jul 2014 16:25:52 GMT Received: from userz7021.oracle.com (userz7021.oracle.com [156.151.31.85]) by ucsinet22.oracle.com (8.14.5+Sun/8.14.5) with ESMTP id s6AGPp45014409 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 10 Jul 2014 16:25:51 GMT Received: from abhmp0011.oracle.com (abhmp0011.oracle.com [141.146.116.17]) by userz7021.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id s6AGPonx004789; Thu, 10 Jul 2014 16:25:50 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <5b50c416-76e8-4221-895b-386d8a192d2b@default> Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2014 09:25:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams To: Eli Zaretskii , Drew Adams Subject: RE: bug#17983: 24.4.50; digit keys in *Messages* unhelpful, hang Emacs, etc. References: <> <<83y4w1b6s2.fsf@gnu.org>> In-Reply-To: <<83y4w1b6s2.fsf@gnu.org>> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.8 (707110) [OL 12.0.6691.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: ucsinet22.oracle.com [156.151.31.94] X-Spam-Score: -3.0 (---) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 17983 Cc: 17983@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.0 (---) > > C-q 7 C-q 7 C-q 7. You see ^G inserted each time (except the first) > > that you hit C-q (not when you hit 7), because 7 acts as a prefix arg > > for the following ^Q. Wunderbar. A feature, no doubt. >=20 > As Glenn points out, this is normal (and very old) behavior of C-q, > which is well documented. Yes, for inserting a char via an octal sequence. And yes, any number of octal digits can be used. I had forgotten that this single 7 fell into that use case. So the behavior is normal: each C-q after the first ends the octal sequence, so it is just 7, which is the code for ^G. Thanks for the reminder that this is what I was seeing here. It would be good, IMO, if there were some echo-area feedback when you hit an octal digit after C-q. Please consider that enhancement request. > > C-q 7 7 7. Now Emacs is hosed - in Neverneverland. ESC ESC ESC no > > good; C-g no good. No mouse, no keys, nada. And no CPU use. Just > > hosed. >=20 > Not here, it isn't. After "C-q 7 7 7", any key gets something > inserted, and there's no hang. None. As I said before, sometimes it happens and sometimes it does not. I was not able to determine just when or why. Each time, I started with emacs -Q, and the result was sometimes a hang and sometimes not. I reproduced the hang several times, including several times in a row (always from emacs -Q), but the same recipe sometimes did not result in a hang. > > Regardless of whether it freezes each time, if you hit C-q and then > > 7 one or more times there is no feedback - already a no-no (bug). >=20 > That's indeed a bug, worthy of a separate bug report. See above. There should be no need for a separate report. This was part of this report, from the beginning. If you want to create a separate report for it or rename the subject to better reflect this, feel free to do so. I feel that I've reported the problem and asked that it be fixed. If you find that part of what I reported is not a bug, and because of that you want to ignore other parts and not fix them, that's your prerogative. > But everything else you describe isn't, or is not reproducible here. See above. > > C-q should simply quote the 7, as it should quote other characters you > > type (including ^U, BTW). >=20 > No, numeric characters after C-q behave specially. (Only octal digits, to be specific - or whatever is specified by `read-quoted-char-radix'.) Yes, thanks for that reminder. I did not realize that that's what I was seeing here (even though I have long used C-q to input an octal sequence.) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jul 10 12:27:18 2014 Received: (at 17983) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Jul 2014 16:27:18 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52376 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1X5HBh-0008Fg-PY for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 10 Jul 2014 12:27:18 -0400 Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:18914) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1X5HBb-0008Et-J3 for 17983@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 10 Jul 2014 12:27:12 -0400 Received: from ucsinet22.oracle.com (ucsinet22.oracle.com [156.151.31.94]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id s6AGR0uJ028608 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 10 Jul 2014 16:27:01 GMT Received: from userz7021.oracle.com (userz7021.oracle.com [156.151.31.85]) by ucsinet22.oracle.com (8.14.5+Sun/8.14.5) with ESMTP id s6AGQx3Z017849 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 10 Jul 2014 16:27:00 GMT Received: from abhmp0011.oracle.com (abhmp0011.oracle.com [141.146.116.17]) by userz7021.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id s6AGQxA8007631; Thu, 10 Jul 2014 16:26:59 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2014 09:26:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams To: Eli Zaretskii , drew.adams@oracle.com Subject: RE: bug#17983: 24.4.50; digit keys in *Messages* unhelpful, hang Emacs, etc. References: <> <<83y4w1b6s2.fsf@gnu.org>> <<83lhs1b5b9.fsf@gnu.org>> In-Reply-To: <<83lhs1b5b9.fsf@gnu.org>> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.8 (707110) [OL 12.0.6691.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: ucsinet22.oracle.com [156.151.31.94] X-Spam-Score: -3.0 (---) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 17983 Cc: 17983@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.0 (---) > > > Regardless of whether it freezes each time, if you hit C-q and then > > > 7 one or more times there is no feedback - already a no-no (bug). > > > > That's indeed a bug, worthy of a separate bug report. >=20 > I've just reported it. Very good. Thx. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jul 10 12:42:44 2014 Received: (at 17983) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Jul 2014 16:42:44 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52388 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1X5HQe-0000LR-Nv for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 10 Jul 2014 12:42:44 -0400 Received: from mtaout22.012.net.il ([80.179.55.172]:40302) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1X5HQY-0000Ks-UF for 17983@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 10 Jul 2014 12:42:38 -0400 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout22.012.net.il by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0N8I007008OTQT00@a-mtaout22.012.net.il> for 17983@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 10 Jul 2014 19:42:28 +0300 (IDT) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0N8I0075592RDW80@a-mtaout22.012.net.il>; Thu, 10 Jul 2014 19:42:28 +0300 (IDT) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2014 19:42:30 +0300 From: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#17983: 24.4.50; digit keys in *Messages* unhelpful, hang Emacs, etc. In-reply-to: <5b50c416-76e8-4221-895b-386d8a192d2b@default> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il To: Drew Adams Message-id: <83k37lb1xl.fsf@gnu.org> References: <5b50c416-76e8-4221-895b-386d8a192d2b@default> X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 17983 Cc: 17983@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) > Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2014 09:25:50 -0700 (PDT) > From: Drew Adams > Cc: 17983@debbugs.gnu.org > > It would be good, IMO, if there were some echo-area feedback when > you hit an octal digit after C-q. Please consider that enhancement > request. It's not an enhancement: all Emacs versions before 24.4 did echo the input. This is a regression that should be fixed. > > > C-q 7 7 7. Now Emacs is hosed - in Neverneverland. ESC ESC ESC no > > > good; C-g no good. No mouse, no keys, nada. And no CPU use. Just > > > hosed. > > > > Not here, it isn't. After "C-q 7 7 7", any key gets something > > inserted, and there's no hang. None. > > As I said before, sometimes it happens and sometimes it does not. I tried many times, and couldn't get it to hang. > > > Regardless of whether it freezes each time, if you hit C-q and then > > > 7 one or more times there is no feedback - already a no-no (bug). > > > > That's indeed a bug, worthy of a separate bug report. > > See above. There should be no need for a separate report. This was > part of this report, from the beginning. If you want to create a > separate report for it or rename the subject to better reflect this, > feel free to do so. 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