From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jun 24 01:54:58 2014 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Jun 2014 05:54:59 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58791 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WzJh3-0002Kl-BN for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 24 Jun 2014 01:54:58 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:59338) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WzGm7-0005Kc-O3 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 23 Jun 2014 22:48:00 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WzGly-00013b-8o for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 23 Jun 2014 22:47:54 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.8 required=5.0 tests=AC_HTML_NONSENSE_TAGS, BAYES_50, FREEMAIL_FROM,T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:44257) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WzGly-00013X-5X for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 23 Jun 2014 22:47:50 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:32826) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WzGlt-0001vn-QI for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Jun 2014 22:47:50 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WzGlp-000135-DU for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Jun 2014 22:47:45 -0400 Received: from mail-yk0-x233.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4002:c07::233]:40273) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WzGlp-00012x-7P for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Jun 2014 22:47:41 -0400 Received: by mail-yk0-f179.google.com with SMTP id 20so5209482yks.24 for ; Mon, 23 Jun 2014 19:47:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:message-id :date:to:subject:reply-to; bh=sDuZP1XGXyr3dSRdRg0HkjmA8rcC4vecXO29qsp2D7s=; b=tOqIxCq9sjcjbNqGKuRq6VRVCw7Eki+epOisqdCdoifw552Lpt6arX1fkefzqpQ1N9 0yjSr0uv92kr+2nglgI67/jHZwnR1z9PaFlqUSiRWuz2PPro3SXd6m053nuNT+s9X5Re IaWGOm/s4PesLz6DcdS7JOefj1r+ZRif3aV5STy8ZWEM4SWNay2W2rd6MClA2keDy4tk B2yp579TD1vU0mU4FAPKUN5O7qUW9QW/KTJG2UDPVEOiJRTOT3VVJDJb6HHUhZi0iLwQ qf2kcIFlGSht2/z66c18arQh+CZDvikrS0UFVAY+7tyysabIXQf+cW+fUKkAaF9HSPGL CvNw== X-Received: by 10.236.117.169 with SMTP id j29mr42271263yhh.118.1403578060065; Mon, 23 Jun 2014 19:47:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 171-134-121-173.kscymo.spcsdns.net ([173.121.134.171]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id k29sm32694248yha.33.2014.06.23.19.47.38 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 23 Jun 2014 19:47:39 -0700 (PDT) From: alan.wehmann@gmail.com X-Google-Original-From: Alan.Wehmann@gmail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <21416.59077.521255.155563@171-134-121-173.kscymo.spcsdns.net> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 21:47:33 -0500 To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 24.3; Info description of Emacs startup could better describe package initialization X-Mailer: VM 8.2.0b under 24.3.1 (x86_64-apple-darwin) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). 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Please describe exactly what actions triggered the bug, and the precise symptoms of the bug. If you can, give a recipe starting from `emacs -Q': Info node "(emacs) Initial Options" says: " Some initial options affect the loading of the initialization file. Normally, Emacs first loads `site-start.el' if it exists, then your own initialization file if it exists, and finally the default initialization file `default.el' if it exists (*note Init File::)." It fails to mention package initialization in this paragraph & I think that it should. It is one of the first places where I looked to find out when in the startup sequence packages are initialized. I found other locations which described when packages are initializaed, but was confused for a while after reading this paragraph and no mention was made of package initialization. ------------------------------------------------------- More specifics: I had upgraded bookmarks+ via melpa. Since I already had melpa in the 'package-archives list I had removed the following code from my initialization file: (when (> emacs-major-version 23) (require 'package) (package-initialize) (add-to-list 'package-archives '("melpa" . "http://melpa.milkbox.net/packages/") 'APPEND)) I then realized that the variable load-path wasn't pointing to "~/.emacs.d/elpa/bookmark+-20140531.104" just after my initialization file was loaded (but it was added later). Since I had a reason to have "(require 'bookmark+)" in my initialization file, I ran into trouble. I have since restored the lines (when (> emacs-major-version 23) (require 'package) (package-initialize)) to my initialization file. If Emacs crashed, and you have the Emacs process in the gdb debugger, please include the output from the following gdb commands: `bt full' and `xbacktrace'. For information about debugging Emacs, please read the file /Applications/Emacs.app/Contents/Resources/etc/DEBUG. 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Creating customization items ...done Resetting customization items...done Creating customization setup...done To install your edits, invoke [State] and choose the Set operation <<< Type SPC or RET to bury the buffer list >>> Mark activated Saved text from "This bug report will be sent to the Bug-" <<< Type SPC or RET to bury the buffer list >>> [3 times] Load-path shadows: /Applications/Emacs.app/Contents/Resources/lisp/whitespace hides /Users/alanwehmann/elisp/whitespace /Applications/Emacs.app/Contents/Resources/lisp/align hides /Users/alanwehmann/elisp/align /Applications/Emacs.app/Contents/Resources/lisp/textmodes/texinfo hides /Users/alanwehmann/elisp/my_lisp/texinfo /Applications/Emacs.app/Contents/Resources/lisp/macros hides /Users/alanwehmann/elisp/my_lisp/macros Features: (etags sh-script smie executable vc-bzr find-func uudecode uce supercite regi starttls spam-report spam spam-stat gnus-uu yenc gnus-msg gnus-art mm-uu mml2015 epg-config mm-view mml-smime smime dig mailcap gnus-sum nnoo gnus-group gnus-undo nnmail mail-source gnus-start gnus-spec gnus-int gnus-range gnus-win sieve-manage shr rmail pop3 mspools metamail mairix mailclient browse-url mail-hist ring mail-extr imap hashcash gnus-dired gnus gnus-ems nnheader fortune feedmail eudc-vars ecomplete binhex jka-compr shadow mailalias vm-reply emacsbug message cl-macs gv format-spec rfc822 mml mml-sec mm-decode mm-bodies mm-encode mail-parse rfc2231 gmm-utils mailheader view misearch multi-isearch dired-aux mailabbrev mule-util ebuff-menu electric image-file parse-time vc-cvs cus-edit wid-edit time warnings edmacro kmacro smtpmail auth-source eieio byte-opt bytecomp byte-compile cconv gnus-util password-cache sendmail rfc2047 rfc2045 ietf-drums mail-utils vm-rfaddons vm-undo vm-virtual vm-summary-faces utf7 mm-util mail-prsvr vm-imap vm-thread vm-mime vm-toolbar vm-menu vm-window vm-folder vm-crypto vm-summary vm-mouse vm-page vm-motion vm-minibuf vm-message vm-misc vm-macro edebug vm-pop vm-autoloads vm-vars vm-version vm completion cl bookmark+ bookmark+-key easy-mmode advice help-fns cl-lib advice-preload dired-x dired bookmark+-1 bookmark+-bmu help-mode bookmark+-lit bookmark pp thingatpt info easymenu desktop cus-start cus-load bookmark+-autoloads package time-date tooltip ediff-hook vc-hooks lisp-float-type mwheel ns-win tool-bar dnd fontset image regexp-opt fringe tabulated-list newcomment lisp-mode register page menu-bar rfn-eshadow timer select scroll-bar mouse jit-lock font-lock syntax facemenu font-core frame cham georgian utf-8-lang misc-lang vietnamese tibetan thai tai-viet lao korean japanese hebrew greek romanian slovak czech european ethiopic indian cyrillic chinese case-table epa-hook jka-cmpr-hook help simple abbrev minibuffer loaddefs button faces cus-face macroexp files text-properties overlay sha1 md5 base64 format env code-pages mule custom widget hashtable-print-readable backquote make-network-process ns multi-tty emacs) -- Alan Wehmann Alan.Wehmann@gmail.com From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jun 24 11:31:20 2014 Received: (at 17841) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Jun 2014 15:31:20 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59440 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WzSgp-0003h2-FK for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 24 Jun 2014 11:31:19 -0400 Received: from mtaout20.012.net.il ([80.179.55.166]:39945) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WzSgm-0003gl-4Y for 17841@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 24 Jun 2014 11:31:17 -0400 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout20.012.net.il by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0N7O00A00J22F400@a-mtaout20.012.net.il> for 17841@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 24 Jun 2014 18:31:09 +0300 (IDT) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0N7O00AHDJ3WAB30@a-mtaout20.012.net.il>; Tue, 24 Jun 2014 18:31:09 +0300 (IDT) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2014 18:31:07 +0300 From: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#17841: 24.3; Info description of Emacs startup could better describe package initialization In-reply-to: <21416.59077.521255.155563@171-134-121-173.kscymo.spcsdns.net> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il To: Alan.Wehmann@gmail.com Message-id: <8338eus4sk.fsf@gnu.org> References: <21416.59077.521255.155563@171-134-121-173.kscymo.spcsdns.net> X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 17841 Cc: 17841@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) > From: alan.wehmann@gmail.com > Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 21:47:33 -0500 > > Info node "(emacs) Initial Options" says: > > " Some initial options affect the loading of the initialization file. > Normally, Emacs first loads `site-start.el' if it exists, then your own > initialization file if it exists, and finally the default > initialization file `default.el' if it exists (*note Init File::)." > > It fails to mention package initialization in this paragraph & I think > that it should. It is one of the first places where I looked to find > out when in the startup sequence packages are initialized. I found > other locations which described when packages are initializaed, but was > confused for a while after reading this paragraph and no mention was > made of package initialization. In the Emacs manual, I typed "i package TAB TAB" and was presented with a list that included "package-install" and "package-initialize". They both land me in the "Package Installation" section which seems to describe what you wanted. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Aug 28 09:47:02 2019 Received: (at 17841) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Aug 2019 13:47:02 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49962 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1i2yHt-0003B0-SE for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 28 Aug 2019 09:47:02 -0400 Received: from mail-pf1-f181.google.com ([209.85.210.181]:36897) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1i2yHo-0003AI-Oc for 17841@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 28 Aug 2019 09:46:58 -0400 Received: by mail-pf1-f181.google.com with SMTP id y9so1775949pfl.4 for <17841@debbugs.gnu.org>; Wed, 28 Aug 2019 06:46:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=DFwelTO75DT6phedCh5ROrriItr49/C6hnyd0dWbK7o=; b=bI4vC6J7Y32pZtjSGwmK8SLQsnLtaemUCmfAQ9p4o/eZoTk2grGteusaDhErjzhazK OepJQ94dfiuwLyiXwVXGOI0dunRNVCEL/9REium1GyJRO3h3MlVag+eAMEKSrvWArzNg I0qRvvJ2b94Ent7QFeMslxt90nHRArJSwUlk3/faLy+aKcgFdEaOIaMkLIipKX08+5d0 MMEmjHuoMOkt8LmHRhqavK4h5Ump0CA98DAYbCV7WxZGaa13F22FSsOz10phZjqtwaXO LIqiDnRIo2YxkFG9PPvLqShEpdvg402GlBMubxCViNmUmPsyRkEF8MDr/oc/foUzKkPW GmTw== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAUWggl/Lht99HclXB4yGaksQuQBJlK5T+aTSXjKwc5KMxwHSP1x hStZthVuWqAiP0d+KqLonOyh3LAPaImzFBjk0XQ= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqz25PEbHBWiOgeBKCP6zD0j56a/wGkwPHHLZqF6nuxxitwBeKa5ttdOvvncqcM2PeZoFV1h5QsxqQwLjnyAARY= X-Received: by 2002:a17:90a:fa8f:: with SMTP id cu15mr4346712pjb.119.1567000010849; Wed, 28 Aug 2019 06:46:50 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefan Kangas Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2019 15:46:38 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#17841: 24.3; Info description of Emacs startup could better describe package initialization To: Eli Zaretskii Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.4 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 17841 Cc: 17841@debbugs.gnu.org, Alan.Wehmann@gmail.com X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.6 (/) tags 17841 + wontfix close 17841 quit Eli Zaretskii writes: >> Info node "(emacs) Initial Options" says: >> >> " Some initial options affect the loading of the initialization file. >> Normally, Emacs first loads `site-start.el' if it exists, then your own >> initialization file if it exists, and finally the default >> initialization file `default.el' if it exists (*note Init File::)." >> >> It fails to mention package initialization in this paragraph & I think >> that it should. It is one of the first places where I looked to find >> out when in the startup sequence packages are initialized. I found >> other locations which described when packages are initializaed, but was >> confused for a while after reading this paragraph and no mention was >> made of package initialization. > > In the Emacs manual, I typed "i package TAB TAB" and was presented > with a list that included "package-install" and "package-initialize". > They both land me in the "Package Installation" section which seems to > describe what you wanted. I agree with Eli, and there's been no other opinions expressed in 5 years. I'm therefore closing this as wontfix. If anyone disagrees, feel free to reopen. Thanks, Stefan Kangas From unknown Wed Jun 25 10:54:36 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. 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