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hebrew greek romanian slovak czech european ethiopic indian cyrillic chinese case-table epa-hook jka-cmpr-hook help simple abbrev minibuffer nadvice loaddefs button faces cus-face macroexp files text-properties overlay sha1 md5 base64 format env code-pages mule custom widget hashtable-print-readable backquote make-network-process gfilenotify dynamic-setting system-font-setting font-render-setting move-toolbar gtk x-toolkit x multi-tty emacs) Memory information: ((conses 16 1381197 81369) (symbols 48 94148 1) (miscs 40 3649 3782) (strings 32 195364 9949) (string-bytes 1 6192524) (vectors 16 59323) (vector-slots 8 1805372 148078) (floats 8 1543 1844) (intervals 56 9773 164) (buffers 960 95)) -- Giles Chamberlin From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Jun 18 14:35:59 2014 Received: (at 17803) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Jun 2014 18:35:59 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52088 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WxKiF-0002Mq-5D for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 18 Jun 2014 14:35:59 -0400 Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.181]:24340) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WxKiC-0002Mb-DB for 17803@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 18 Jun 2014 14:35:57 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ArcGAIDvNVNLd+D9/2dsb2JhbABZgwY7gw+9L4MOgRcXdIIlAQEBAQIBViMFCws0EhQYDYgoCNIZF456BxaEIgSpGYFqg0wh X-IPAS-Result: ArcGAIDvNVNLd+D9/2dsb2JhbABZgwY7gw+9L4MOgRcXdIIlAQEBAQIBViMFCws0EhQYDYgoCNIZF456BxaEIgSpGYFqg0wh X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.97,753,1389762000"; d="scan'208";a="67744072" Received: from 75-119-224-253.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO ceviche.home) ([75.119.224.253]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP/TLS/ADH-AES256-SHA; 18 Jun 2014 14:35:50 -0400 Received: by ceviche.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 764D46608C; Wed, 18 Jun 2014 14:35:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Stefan Monnier To: giles@pexip.com Subject: Re: bug#17803: 24.4.50; help-for-help inaccuracy Message-ID: References: Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2014 14:35:49 -0400 In-Reply-To: (giles@pexip.com's message of "Wed, 18 Jun 2014 16:37:38 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 17803 Cc: 17803@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) > I expected this to use an online (i.e.external to my box, presumably > HTTP accessed) manual but it actually invokes info-lookup-symbol. Thanks for making me feel old. "online manual" used to mean "non-paper manual", i.e. "manual you can consult without having to leave your computer". I guess nowadays Emacs's manuals would be categorized as "offline" instead, eh? Stefan From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Jun 28 22:35:13 2014 Received: (at 17803-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Jun 2014 02:35:13 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36393 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1X14xV-0008Tu-6s for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 28 Jun 2014 22:35:13 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:37677 ident=Debian-exim) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1X14xR-0008Tk-Rw for 17803-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 28 Jun 2014 22:35:11 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1X14xR-00066r-Ef; Sat, 28 Jun 2014 22:35:09 -0400 From: Glenn Morris To: 17803-done@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#17803: 24.4.50; help-for-help inaccuracy References: X-Spook: Marxist ANZUS White House 9/11 Albright Geraldton defense X-Ran: 7^Ry}!vAA/PB=4gvwlSKR:VkaNG#7sEjx=hnkP:jEqQ*okF(uR8c]/Ps4a[NjaqO.FD X-Hue: white X-Attribution: GM Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2014 22:35:09 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Wed, 18 Jun 2014 14:35:49 -0400") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 17803-done X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) Version: 24.4 Thanks; fixed. 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