From unknown Sun Jun 15 08:52:18 2025 X-Loop: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com Subject: bug#1775: [Terran Lane] meta-delete has wrong default binding; should be "kill-word" Reply-To: Sven Joachim , 1775@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-From: Sven Joachim Resent-To: bug-submit-list@lists.donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs Resent-Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2009 13:00:03 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-Emacs-PR-Message: report 1775 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B.123098709318936 (code B ref -1); Sat, 03 Jan 2009 13:00:03 +0000 Received: (at submit) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 3 Jan 2009 12:51:33 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.9 required=4.0 tests=FOURLA,HAS_PACKAGE autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [199.232.76.165]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n03CpTxe018929 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 04:51:30 -0800 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LJ5yT-0004lk-7V for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 03 Jan 2009 07:51:29 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LJ5yS-0004kX-9b for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 03 Jan 2009 07:51:28 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=60824 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1LJ5yS-0004k4-2s for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 03 Jan 2009 07:51:28 -0500 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]:55022) by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1LJ5yR-0000gb-Dj for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 03 Jan 2009 07:51:27 -0500 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 03 Jan 2009 12:51:24 -0000 Received: from p5486643C.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO turtle.gmx.de) [84.134.100.60] by mail.gmx.net (mp059) with SMTP; 03 Jan 2009 13:51:24 +0100 X-Authenticated: #28250155 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+KlcVWm1iKGUnhs/h9XewvH62238Q5EDmvsHuLZL stFDvI5fmoWt1k Received: by turtle.gmx.de (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 531F9354B0; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 13:51:18 +0100 (CET) From: Sven Joachim To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2009 13:51:18 +0100 Message-ID: <87y6xstuwp.fsf@turtle.gmx.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=-=-=" X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.72 X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. --=-=-= Another old bug in Debian's BTS. While the report is not too informing, I wonder why M-delete is not bound to kill-word: ,---- C-h k M-delete | M-DEL (translated from ) runs the command | backward-kill-word, which is an interactive compiled Lisp function in | `simple.el'. | | It is bound to , M-DEL. `---- ,---- C-h w kill-word | kill-word is on , M-d `---- Would it not be consistent to bind M-delete to kill-word? --=-=-= Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Bug#193483: emacs21: meta-delete has wrong default binding; should be "kill-word" Reply-To: Terran Lane , 193483@bugs.debian.org Resent-From: Terran Lane Resent-To: debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org Resent-CC: Rob Browning , emacs21@packages.qa.debian.org Resent-Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 22:48:01 GMT Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: owner@bugs.debian.org X-Debian-PR-Message: report 193483 X-Debian-PR-Package: emacs21 X-Debian-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by submit@bugs.debian.org id=B.105303809219337 (code B ref -1); Thu, 15 May 2003 22:48:01 GMT Received: (at submit) by bugs.debian.org; 15 May 2003 22:34:52 +0000 Received: from dhcp065-026-182-085.indy.rr.com (redwald.deadbeast.net) [65.26.182.85] by master.debian.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 1 (Debian)) id 19GRJE-00050b-00; Thu, 15 May 2003 17:34:45 -0500 Received: by redwald.deadbeast.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 307C06417C; Thu, 15 May 2003 17:34:44 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 17:34:44 -0500 From: Terran Lane To: submit@bugs.debian.org Cc: Terran Lane Message-ID: <20030515223444.GC23545@deadbeast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="TiqCXmo5T1hvSQQg" Content-Disposition: inline X-Really-From: Branden Robinson User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i Delivered-To: submit@bugs.debian.org --TiqCXmo5T1hvSQQg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Package: emacs21 Version: n/a Severity: normal On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 01:23:29PM -0600, Terran Lane wrote: > I had to go back and look at my emacs config to remember what was > messed up. >=20 > It's not backspace and delete _directly_ that are the problems. On my > work debian box, the "backspace" key produces the "DEL" emacs > keybinding symbol, while the "delete" key produces the "^D" symbol. > (As you say, I don't care what symbol it produces _internally_ so long > as it _does_the_right_thing_. But it _is_ mystifying why the > "backspace" key doesn't just produce the "BACKSPACE" symbol and let > the "delete" key produce the "DEL" symbol.) >=20 > At _any_ rate, the real brokenness comes in when you hit > meta-backspace or meta-delete, which _both_ produce the "M-DEL" > symbol. The default binding of this symbol is "backward-kill-word", > which makes sense for the "meta-backspace" key combo, but _not_ for > the "meta-delete" key combo (which should, by symmetry, invoke > "kill-word", the forward-going equivalent). I haven't gotten around > to trying to fix this key mapping myself yet, but I'm annoyed that I > should have to. >=20 > Anyway, just my rant for today. ;-) On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 02:10:47PM -0600, Terran Lane wrote: > Behold: on that day, 14 of May in the year 2003, > Branden Robinson spake unto me, saying: >=20 > > Okay. I'm going to file a bug report using the above, and set you > > to be the submitter, if you don't mind. :) >=20 > Sure, go right ahead. If I wasn't such a lazy, grumbly bastard, I > would do it myself. ;-) You might tack on to the report the following: >=20 > "General principle for emacs keybindings: all distinct keypress > combinations should yield distinct internal symbols. The only > exception are aliased keycaps -- e.g., left and right ALT should do > the same thing, left and right CTRL, etc. In the PC keyboard world, > it's also acceptable for both ESC key and ALT to do the same thing. > But DELETE/BACKSPACE should be distinct under all modifier combos. > (As should HOME/END/PAGE UP/MENU KEY, etc.)" --=20 G. Branden Robinson | "There is no gravity in space." 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Sven Joachim writes: > Another old bug in Debian's BTS. While the report is not too informing, > I wonder why M-delete is not bound to kill-word: > > ,---- C-h k M-delete > | M-DEL (translated from ) runs the co [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Sven Joachim writes: > Another old bug in Debian's BTS. While the report is not too informing, > I wonder why M-delete is not bound to kill-word: > > ,---- C-h k M-delete > | M-DEL (translated from ) runs the command > | backward-kill-word, which is an interactive compiled Lisp function in > | `simple.el'. > | > | It is bound to , M-DEL. > `---- > > ,---- C-h w kill-word > | kill-word is on , M-d > `---- > > Would it not be consistent to bind M-delete to kill-word? It might be a bit more consistent, but Emacs has had this key binding since forever, and we can't change the behaviour of basic keys like that. 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