From unknown Fri Sep 05 08:41:30 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#17581 <17581@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#17581 <17581@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: A couple of suggestions for etc/TODO Reply-To: bug#17581 <17581@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2025 15:41:30 +0000 retitle 17581 A couple of suggestions for etc/TODO reassign 17581 emacs submitter 17581 Reuben Thomas severity 17581 minor thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat May 24 16:05:47 2014 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 May 2014 20:05:47 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59345 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WoICQ-0007P9-KP for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 24 May 2014 16:05:46 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:53527) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WoICO-0007Or-Bo for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 24 May 2014 16:05:45 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WoICI-0006zW-3N for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 24 May 2014 16:05:38 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_20,HTML_MESSAGE, T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:54213) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WoICI-0006zS-0C for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 24 May 2014 16:05:38 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:55249) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WoICG-0006sZ-Lh for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 24 May 2014 16:05:37 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WoICF-0006zE-1B for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 24 May 2014 16:05:36 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:42392) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WoICE-0006zA-S0 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 24 May 2014 16:05:34 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:51171) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WoICE-0005Gc-HO for bug-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 24 May 2014 16:05:34 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WoICD-0006z1-Ab for bug-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 24 May 2014 16:05:34 -0400 Received: from mail-lb0-x234.google.com ([2a00:1450:4010:c04::234]:60545) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WoICC-0006yW-VA for bug-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 24 May 2014 16:05:33 -0400 Received: by mail-lb0-f180.google.com with SMTP id p9so3474000lbv.39 for ; Sat, 24 May 2014 13:05:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sc3d.org; s=google; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=gNqn2hoi/gZ9gjlJ/pL0Q0nVljvrauPiLokWR5ji4lo=; b=1prMU7aOisNVYLK2TqKw7qVfMjjdR6YPtGIzmHsEji4at8TWNl/Y7lE74Apjic8i+q eCjoY1v5iCTs7BOZJgdynd15WGBnJcjgGqXXYWuckjhgTDAioaW+U59cR13RHSR0jb3x WnEjC4EKarJcX1p9RPEsTXA3HBwPsSxQBxNpo= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=gNqn2hoi/gZ9gjlJ/pL0Q0nVljvrauPiLokWR5ji4lo=; b=IEC1OMG/c7qR9AD+Yg4nOfgCdrpFy48U4Q8iR/Xa6/10cUJaPqU0hY0b4xdo/cL+Z4 DGdtdbARLsj0ALV7rlUzkZQ7W4MY74kFaZz+T2+xQ/Saq+7vE8REzF6U9TuXGIQDPFzA sOLmNUJDLaZYrzIBeU35+SQerS5wGAqkBpViAjjJ9Yts1fHu/GffbgH6CDq3m/rUYwtW /mY54NdGOhLZaj4xgvjpxl8H6UO8VTf1BIkNhC0u6KdQtO1VBZWeHQVcgy3OHKXwBed+ RowF5KWsgfzSm9RqHv+HaXFgZQ6qVZxfKo/H9AIxp0hr7SFVa1DPEnG0ggbQwnLoj6RI VDwg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkY41kff0+rgtUICD0QbMGezYlxj6s+6bM4y4h7vP4WIMeTdUqhbXjhsxgwVHSr3FoE45Ml MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.152.23.42 with SMTP id j10mr9688718laf.19.1400961930846; Sat, 24 May 2014 13:05:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.152.166.103 with HTTP; Sat, 24 May 2014 13:05:30 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 24 May 2014 21:05:30 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: A couple of suggestions for etc/TODO From: Reuben Thomas To: bug-emacs Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e0158c9443b76d004fa2ade6d X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.1 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -4.1 (----) --089e0158c9443b76d004fa2ade6d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 1. ECB is now part of CEDET, which in turn is installed in Emacs, so it can be removed from the list of packages to install (search for "ECB"). 2. The suggestion for "Save undo information" could say to use undo-tree, which already does that. According to undo-tree.el, it's already copyright the FSF, but it also says it's part of Emacs, which is surely false. The author is Toby Cubitt , and undo-tree's upstream is at http://www.dr-qubit.org/git/undo-tree.git I can make these changes if they're deemed apt. -- http://rrt.sc3d.org --089e0158c9443b76d004fa2ade6d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
1. ECB is now part of CEDET, which in turn is installed in= Emacs, so it can be removed from the list of packages to install (search f= or "ECB").

2. The = suggestion for "Save undo information" could say to use undo-tree= , which already does that. According to undo-tree.el, it's already copy= right the FSF, but it also says it's part of Emacs, which is surely fal= se. The author is Toby Cubitt <toby-undo-tree@dr-qubit.org>, and undo-tree's upstream is = at http://www.dr-qubi= t.org/git/undo-tree.git

I can make these changes if they're deemed apt.
--089e0158c9443b76d004fa2ade6d-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat May 24 16:46:50 2014 Received: (at 17581) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 May 2014 20:46:50 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59386 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WoIq9-0000I8-Uu for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 24 May 2014 16:46:50 -0400 Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.181]:20081) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WoIq8-0000Ht-1K for 17581@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 24 May 2014 16:46:48 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ArUGAIDvNVNLd/fU/2dsb2JhbABZgwaDSsA9gRcXdIIlAQEBAQIBViMFCwsOJhIUGA0kiAQI0hkXjnoHhDgEjHWTI4kBgWqDTCE X-IPAS-Result: ArUGAIDvNVNLd/fU/2dsb2JhbABZgwaDSsA9gRcXdIIlAQEBAQIBViMFCwsOJhIUGA0kiAQI0hkXjnoHhDgEjHWTI4kBgWqDTCE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.97,753,1389762000"; d="scan'208";a="63990828" Received: from 75-119-247-212.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([75.119.247.212]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP/TLS/ADH-AES256-SHA; 24 May 2014 16:46:42 -0400 Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id DC9B960563; Sat, 24 May 2014 16:46:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Stefan Monnier To: Reuben Thomas Subject: Re: bug#17581: A couple of suggestions for etc/TODO Message-ID: References: Date: Sat, 24 May 2014 16:46:41 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Reuben Thomas's message of "Sat, 24 May 2014 21:05:30 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 17581 Cc: 17581@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) > 1. ECB is now part of CEDET, which in turn is installed in Emacs, so it can > be removed from the list of packages to install (search for "ECB"). AFAICT ECB is not yet in Emacs. Maybe it's just a matter of sync'ing with the upstream CEDET, in which case, I suggest we try and sync ASAP and then we can remove this entry indeed. > 2. The suggestion for "Save undo information" could say to use undo-tree, > which already does that. Sounds good. > According to undo-tree.el, it's already copyright the FSF, but it also > says it's part of Emacs, which is surely false. `undo-tree' is in GNU ELPA, and GNU ELPA packages are kind of half-way between being part of Emacs and not being part of it (e.g. for copyright purposes we consider them part of Emacs, i.e. a copyright assignment for Emacs changes is accepted as covering changes in GNU ELPA). So some packages in GNU ELPA say "part of Emacs", others say "not part of Emacs", and I think they're both right and wrong. Stefan From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat May 24 17:00:50 2014 Received: (at 17581) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 May 2014 21:00:50 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59396 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WoJ3h-0000js-RU for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 24 May 2014 17:00:50 -0400 Received: from randomsample.de ([5.45.97.173]:40406) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WoJ3f-0000jg-02 for 17581@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 24 May 2014 17:00:47 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=randomsample.de; s=a; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Date:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Cc:To:From; bh=+Lrlf7Q/iMa7Sue2ju2+ORlbm+K3TiPlYJRjkzjC0mk=; b=Fx9fSI7H82Ts6pVXInOVvQQHyzePxCKQhDzyWum8vVsw2pVbo/x1kMzqhDTfCJb8tdqOLK1awHDxMK9oYQdye5tydGf65MehPec1wARGWYw3SXA4k32viuwWwgh5SXXk; Received: from dslc-082-083-048-004.pools.arcor-ip.net ([82.83.48.4] helo=spaten) by randomsample.de with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WoJ3c-0000Cn-C5; Sat, 24 May 2014 23:00:44 +0200 From: David Engster To: Stefan Monnier Subject: Re: bug#17581: A couple of suggestions for etc/TODO In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Sat, 24 May 2014 16:46:41 -0400") References: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13001 (Ma Gnus v0.10) Emacs/24.3.91 (gnu/linux) Date: Sat, 24 May 2014 23:00:22 +0200 Message-ID: <87ioouopsp.fsf@engster.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.6 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 17581 Cc: 17581@debbugs.gnu.org, Reuben Thomas X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.6 (/) Stefan Monnier writes: >> 1. ECB is now part of CEDET, which in turn is installed in Emacs, so it can >> be removed from the list of packages to install (search for "ECB"). > > AFAICT ECB is not yet in Emacs. Maybe it's just a matter of sync'ing > with the upstream CEDET, in which case, I suggest we try and sync ASAP > and then we can remove this entry indeed. No, ECB is not part of CEDET. -David From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed May 28 08:57:57 2014 Received: (at 17581) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 May 2014 12:57:57 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34088 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WpdQa-0005nm-Ij for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 28 May 2014 08:57:56 -0400 Received: from mail-la0-f48.google.com ([209.85.215.48]:62451) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WpdQX-0005nS-7a for 17581@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 28 May 2014 08:57:54 -0400 Received: by mail-la0-f48.google.com with SMTP id mc6so7235945lab.21 for <17581@debbugs.gnu.org>; Wed, 28 May 2014 05:57:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sc3d.org; s=google; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=FTeTt7t4OCfN5KQLedmtdF1IvIQ/qxZ5WvI4dLLaBmE=; b=hcyyiv1mejrqJ2iLtTxCNOE4rOcPpfOlnjsMqx/y/gAk7WX8ufsxoHI6xKlaS41xsJ PA5m8jHHCqcg1tU3yCd2vXrkRfSFq5I537SbX3r1fl5yHXWL/z2G4hUh19Pvlp2PPmVR GJ5TCNQCoT1ddliyvO0+RV9H0b39fkz0pplEk= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=FTeTt7t4OCfN5KQLedmtdF1IvIQ/qxZ5WvI4dLLaBmE=; b=GO1IhfDlr8iIrcxdrjns3x1O1y6j5HOZVxl675JwwKyNd8qcxwJPAdD7KQ4DJ4/R7S dceCaERYN2OmrDKw0M0uP9XL6tLEvjtH4tUAY1aDW4tDhIv4Axyn/ScvR45OsVHek7Rb N9BLaxfjOkfG8bd1sPRA/iQM7EMkd79A2ypP1VHffmHlO4Bc5TecrGYGIPkJO9ssGMST 479tp6j1TzcjPV/cVjtjYdofqZYnaDLslhcvnpS0oE0VQNEaCqnaXPHlcAVrbQTfport iSTDmL15NpbjbS9/TXTd78dw4Z+4XBJbZCezfU3HCqy97+vpUXL6HgofACU2iGfAvxCY yHGg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmJan2io6vRU4hkU9PfumlUPmYMfysBOpr71tBuJanyrgMiPZLzTAAhdpNZsPKjpmD/lN0U MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.63.65 with SMTP id e1mr2748857lbs.81.1401281866919; Wed, 28 May 2014 05:57:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.152.166.103 with HTTP; Wed, 28 May 2014 05:57:46 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87ioouopsp.fsf@engster.org> References: <87ioouopsp.fsf@engster.org> Date: Wed, 28 May 2014 13:57:46 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#17581: A couple of suggestions for etc/TODO From: Reuben Thomas To: David Engster Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c3b2c0e884ab04fa755bd6 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 17581 Cc: Stefan Monnier , 17581@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) --001a11c3b2c0e884ab04fa755bd6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On 24 May 2014 22:00, David Engster wrote: > Stefan Monnier writes: > >> 1. ECB is now part of CEDET, which in turn is installed in Emacs, so it > can > >> be removed from the list of packages to install (search for "ECB"). > > > > AFAICT ECB is not yet in Emacs. Maybe it's just a matter of sync'ing > > with the upstream CEDET, in which case, I suggest we try and sync ASAP > > and then we can remove this entry indeed. > > No, ECB is not part of CEDET. Thanks, Stefan and David. I've added a note about undo-tree to etc/TODO; this bug can be closed. -- http://rrt.sc3d.org --001a11c3b2c0e884ab04fa755bd6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On 2= 4 May 2014 22:00, David Engster <deng@randomsample.de> wr= ote:
Stefan Monnier writes:
>> 1. ECB is now part of CEDET, which in turn is installed in Emacs, = so it can
>> be removed from the list of packages to install (search for "= ECB").
>
> AFAICT ECB is not yet in Emacs. =C2=A0Maybe it's just a matter of = sync'ing
> with the upstream CEDET, in which case, I suggest we try and sync ASAP=
> and then we can remove this entry indeed.

No, ECB is not part of CEDET.

Thanks,= Stefan and David. I've added a note about undo-tree to etc/TODO; this = bug can be closed.

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--001a11c3b2c0e884ab04fa755bd6-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed May 28 09:32:28 2014 Received: (at 17581-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 May 2014 13:32:29 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34099 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Wpdy0-0006i8-7E for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 28 May 2014 09:32:28 -0400 Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.181]:63596) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Wpdxv-0006ho-9u for 17581-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 28 May 2014 09:32:24 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ArUGAIDvNVNLd/fU/2dsb2JhbABZgwaDSsA9gRcXdIIlAQEBAQIBVigLCzQSFBgNiCgI0hkXjwEWhCIEqRmBaoNMIQ X-IPAS-Result: ArUGAIDvNVNLd/fU/2dsb2JhbABZgwaDSsA9gRcXdIIlAQEBAQIBVigLCzQSFBgNiCgI0hkXjwEWhCIEqRmBaoNMIQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.97,753,1389762000"; d="scan'208";a="64779606" Received: from 75-119-247-212.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([75.119.247.212]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP/TLS/ADH-AES256-SHA; 28 May 2014 09:32:17 -0400 Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 4C463601CB; Wed, 28 May 2014 09:32:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Stefan Monnier To: 17581-done@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#17581: A couple of suggestions for etc/TODO Message-ID: References: <87ioouopsp.fsf@engster.org> Date: Wed, 28 May 2014 09:32:17 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Reuben Thomas's message of "Wed, 28 May 2014 13:57:46 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 17581-done X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) > Thanks, Stefan and David. I've added a note about undo-tree to etc/TODO; > this bug can be closed. Done, thanks, Stefan From unknown Fri Sep 05 08:41:30 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2014 11:24:04 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator