From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu May 22 16:23:33 2014 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 May 2014 20:23:33 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56921 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WnZWS-00048J-HE for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 22 May 2014 16:23:32 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:50307) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WnZWM-00047y-7u for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 22 May 2014 16:23:26 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WnZWG-0008Re-7U for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 22 May 2014 16:23:16 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_40,FREEMAIL_FROM, T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:34564) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WnZWG-0008RY-3v for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 22 May 2014 16:23:16 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:52028) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WnZWF-0008RK-DY for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 22 May 2014 16:23:16 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WnZWE-0008RB-Gt for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 22 May 2014 16:23:15 -0400 Received: from mail-we0-x230.google.com ([2a00:1450:400c:c03::230]:54027) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WnZWE-0008Qv-9S for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 22 May 2014 16:23:14 -0400 Received: by mail-we0-f176.google.com with SMTP id q59so3863660wes.7 for ; Thu, 22 May 2014 13:23:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=W7ijVp7yg1qMt0ZzC6b2tY9IgvobmjxJvctDk+0/paM=; b=dJAnJZ63bV/z4tzLsxsS1EqXqXTZJ+O40OjJrtzXsWxR+dfWlvTZPQctqX3Nmns+IZ g/xWBQWR47L4kggzdK9JI3y/TzgQTDQs48TSB7kUk1R+MJKZ+Gng3g/o2yKjzsr9ZLB2 EfwYyYO7PcIHGepbNe6XhlOuG84RUe1K5xAfD9+t523mRk0F/Y9IAi6pr4Per3vd0YQU zZDCtEZVzhSqck032L0+ShCKbmjb5WU1RauaU7EkV/xQmGUDbt0bEa9BojzZODJbuH0x k54jj+geK7emCUHYaeYnL4YORTqSuHVTKoupXnvUiyaPN3zeoEJUcrztEYcu6UXLKFW0 t0Mg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.85.10 with SMTP id d10mr4947519wiz.0.1400790192573; Thu, 22 May 2014 13:23:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.179.138 with HTTP; Thu, 22 May 2014 13:23:12 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 22 May 2014 22:23:12 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: 24.4.50; 'mark-paragraph' does not allow extending the region backwards From: Dani Moncayo To: bug-gnu-emacs Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) After reading (info "(emacs) Marking Objects") and doing some tests, I wonder why 'mark-paragraph' does not behave like 'mark-word' and 'mark-sexp' when the mark is located before point. In that situation 'mark-word' and 'mark-sexp' move the mark backwards to select an earlier element (which I think is TRT), but 'mark-paragraph' moves the mark forward instead (like when the mark is after point). Could this inconsistency be fixed? TIA In GNU Emacs 24.4.50.1 (x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.10.8) of 2014-05-05 on LEG570 Windowing system distributor `The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.11501000 System Description: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS -- Dani Moncayo From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Aug 14 19:51:47 2019 Received: (at 17555) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Aug 2019 23:51:47 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49864 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hy33S-0007of-Nl for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 14 Aug 2019 19:51:46 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]:57940) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hy33Q-0007oT-CC for 17555@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 14 Aug 2019 19:51:44 -0400 Received: from 24-104-73-23-ip-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net ([24.104.73.23] helo=sandy) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hy33L-0005V0-Vr; Thu, 15 Aug 2019 01:51:42 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Dani Moncayo Subject: Re: bug#17555: 24.4.50; 'mark-paragraph' does not allow extending the region backwards References: Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2019 16:51:37 -0700 In-Reply-To: (Dani Moncayo's message of "Thu, 22 May 2014 22:23:12 +0200") Message-ID: <87ftm3tieu.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Dani Moncayo writes: > After reading (info "(emacs) Marking Objects") and doing some tests, I > wonder why 'mark-paragraph' does not behave like 'mark-word' and > 'mark-sexp' when the mark is located before point. In that [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 17555 Cc: 17555@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Dani Moncayo writes: > After reading (info "(emacs) Marking Objects") and doing some tests, I > wonder why 'mark-paragraph' does not behave like 'mark-word' and > 'mark-sexp' when the mark is located before point. In that situation > 'mark-word' and 'mark-sexp' move the mark backwards to select an > earlier element (which I think is TRT), but 'mark-paragraph' moves the > mark forward instead (like when the mark is after point). > > Could this inconsistency be fixed? It is somewhat inconsistent, but it's been documented to be this way since at least 2001: -- Put point at beginning of this paragraph, mark at end. The paragraph marked is the one that contains point or follows point. -- So I don't think this is something than can be changed at this point, and I'm closing this bug report. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Aug 14 19:51:51 2019 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Aug 2019 23:51:51 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49867 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hy33X-0007oy-0V for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 14 Aug 2019 19:51:51 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]:57954) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hy33V-0007op-El for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 14 Aug 2019 19:51:49 -0400 Received: from 24-104-73-23-ip-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net ([24.104.73.23] helo=sandy) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hy33S-0005V7-Hk for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 15 Aug 2019 01:51:48 +0200 Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2019 16:51:44 -0700 Message-Id: <87ef1ntien.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> To: control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: control message for bug #17555 X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. 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In that situation >> 'mark-word' and 'mark-sexp' move the mark backwards to select an >> earlier element (which I think is TRT), but 'mark-paragraph' moves the >> mark forward instead (like when the mark is after point). >> >> Could this inconsistency be fixed? > > It is somewhat inconsistent, but it's been documented to be this way > since at least 2001: > > -- > Put point at beginning of this paragraph, mark at end. > The paragraph marked is the one that contains point or follows point. > -- mark-paragraph could be fixed for consistency, but the problem is that there are more commands that should be fixed then as well, e.g. mark-defun, mark-page... From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Aug 20 02:50:26 2019 Received: (at 17555) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Aug 2019 06:50:26 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60819 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hzxyM-000427-JH for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 20 Aug 2019 02:50:26 -0400 Received: from mail-yw1-f48.google.com ([209.85.161.48]:33742) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hzxyJ-00041t-R9 for 17555@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 20 Aug 2019 02:50:24 -0400 Received: by mail-yw1-f48.google.com with SMTP id e65so1983324ywh.0 for <17555@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 19 Aug 2019 23:50:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=Mg0gUleGx9AO3ZcMsJq1lXcvfAoMn0WuJCTSBiQPtCo=; b=lutCDn1eTskruz4our/QnGnjDYIB3qyEleF0Pu9yJOFdmP4/AIRlYC7kGTeWWr1OPF emGj/psscT+Rf6rP+JUVlkKSZzbNKsIjK5fXBUV4ZeKlmaF8+zsCMzQTWA/0F9GFnF7T /YEzmfDVG7H1guJlQkn6M6E7MPqqHow6KmM1D8VhW66KlBOYZ9ZJe3joIFgSVv/YF6KJ Ef4+YBRzjIjW/kgoQKrGKULM1+7wpEPnLYpZnFvTIa1bxLz7UafNBHPAGXPtS9qJ8t9b 0iKjnMPPzOswokE8M6lPvo2sydnu/aANFKx0w+ufNrrqGuFnYBunG0ytpYNVdx3thl1u S2dA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=Mg0gUleGx9AO3ZcMsJq1lXcvfAoMn0WuJCTSBiQPtCo=; b=eO73jPbcjQoqh8Up88Hmn63QuzLsy6tnHj8+OcsQBXet74HY0tcprD8O+WIxGKYgy1 f5HyN4gKaw9qU+yMO/P66cLeo1/cD/Jr6YHdeMU1viGlmnCJYkmZph+vbvItF08cyg6n sb/OpEpJeDNtx7hXFT+MKY6dZI8Eq9V3N7yKKdfPSiBLyBF179RUmjdAZwI36Eoa6kny GgDPDZJA8Dg1fa3XunOnvDLW5mowhzml9sbLYKx4wzshEHbb2V2bamywMu/l8QHCnR1c Uu39KfWeSc6bIHmHfVzrZIYXKx3cOEee+UTiJdKpNSew7XKOmjznJfrdKmR+nRQ53JNX g5vw== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAWBLjmEjGldFjZIsvPM2SHwkpIZva6hAs71AIvsgJiKzdn3AgVv loGWf1CbZqfpDJtAm8Nkc1G1hpdSElkl25dfXTU= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqwmyhoeeOZTrMLrT4wZGj0GESWiXSY+RqSjxpB1PipmpxgHLjoqcbrO6oPYdd8njZ/rgm242WnfkXYCZZ+tGk0= X-Received: by 2002:a0d:e1d7:: with SMTP id k206mr18549590ywe.124.1566283818215; Mon, 19 Aug 2019 23:50:18 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <87ftm3tieu.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> <87lfvumfuh.fsf@mail.linkov.net> In-Reply-To: <87lfvumfuh.fsf@mail.linkov.net> From: Dani Moncayo Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2019 08:50:07 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#17555: 24.4.50; 'mark-paragraph' does not allow extending the region backwards To: Juri Linkov Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 17555 Cc: 17555@debbugs.gnu.org, Lars Ingebrigtsen X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) > mark-paragraph could be fixed for consistency, but the problem is that > there are more commands that should be fixed then as well, e.g. mark-defun, > mark-page... I may be missing something, but I don't see the downside of making them all consistent. I.e., I don't think such a change would break anyone's workflow. -- Dani Moncayo From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Aug 20 18:07:29 2019 Received: (at 17555) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Aug 2019 22:07:30 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34183 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1i0CHp-0007G0-KC for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 20 Aug 2019 18:07:29 -0400 Received: from bongo.elm.relay.mailchannels.net ([23.83.212.21]:50243) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1i0CHn-0007Fq-DO for 17555@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 20 Aug 2019 18:07:27 -0400 X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jurta@jurta.org Received: from relay.mailchannels.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54E48141464; Tue, 20 Aug 2019 22:07:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a95.g.dreamhost.com (100-96-89-43.trex.outbound.svc.cluster.local [100.96.89.43]) (Authenticated sender: dreamhost) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id E00DB1418CF; Tue, 20 Aug 2019 22:07:25 +0000 (UTC) X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jurta@jurta.org Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a95.g.dreamhost.com ([TEMPUNAVAIL]. [64.90.62.162]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384) by 0.0.0.0:2500 (trex/5.17.5); Tue, 20 Aug 2019 22:07:26 +0000 X-MC-Relay: Neutral X-MailChannels-SenderId: dreamhost|x-authsender|jurta@jurta.org X-MailChannels-Auth-Id: dreamhost X-Soft-Daffy: 61ae9ac675a60811_1566338846153_2766215810 X-MC-Loop-Signature: 1566338846153:1294596087 X-MC-Ingress-Time: 1566338846153 Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a95.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a95.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A9B97FF80; Tue, 20 Aug 2019 15:07:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=linkov.net; h=from:to:cc :subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version :content-type; s=linkov.net; bh=I0wKKs6iXvxNRkpqC8DhT6ZqKDQ=; b= UpRxACQHXJR9jlLNnNvetLYK8wVNR9gMkEOpX7aFp9NZyLEsFUaIWAEtIG0pnfyW wJ9srCLSVDNL5TsItxPtJgJzqY6EIsNZxWxFZU4KL734S2NUgl+MIDnZtoEcWS/A yroG+uvs8Q//LNwGQRlZ8/SmPkeQTzt5axP59eBunLk= Received: from mail.jurta.org (m91-129-109-163.cust.tele2.ee [91.129.109.163]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jurta@jurta.org) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a95.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3D3227FF7E; Tue, 20 Aug 2019 15:07:21 -0700 (PDT) X-DH-BACKEND: pdx1-sub0-mail-a95 From: Juri Linkov To: Dani Moncayo Subject: Re: bug#17555: 24.4.50; 'mark-paragraph' does not allow extending the region backwards Organization: LINKOV.NET References: <87ftm3tieu.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> <87lfvumfuh.fsf@mail.linkov.net> Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2019 01:05:01 +0300 In-Reply-To: (Dani Moncayo's message of "Tue, 20 Aug 2019 08:50:07 +0200") Message-ID: <87tvabv6gi.fsf@mail.linkov.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-VR-OUT-STATUS: OK X-VR-OUT-SCORE: -100 X-VR-OUT-SPAMCAUSE: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgeduvddrudegvddgtdejucetufdoteggodetrfdotffvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuggftfghnshhusghstghrihgsvgdpffftgfetoffjqffuvfenuceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucesvcftvggtihhpihgvnhhtshculddquddttddmnecujfgurhephffvufhofhffjgfkfgggtgesthdtredttdertdenucfhrhhomheplfhurhhiucfnihhnkhhovhcuoehjuhhriheslhhinhhkohhvrdhnvghtqeenucfkphepledurdduvdelrddutdelrdduieefnecurfgrrhgrmhepmhhouggvpehsmhhtphdphhgvlhhopehmrghilhdrjhhurhhtrgdrohhrghdpihhnvghtpeeluddruddvledruddtledrudeifedprhgvthhurhhnqdhprghthheplfhurhhiucfnihhnkhhovhcuoehjuhhriheslhhinhhkohhvrdhnvghtqedpmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpehjuhhriheslhhinhhkohhvrdhnvghtpdhnrhgtphhtthhopegumhhonhgtrgihohesghhmrghilhdrtghomhenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedt X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 17555 Cc: 17555@debbugs.gnu.org, Lars Ingebrigtsen X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) >> mark-paragraph could be fixed for consistency, but the problem is that >> there are more commands that should be fixed then as well, e.g. mark-defun, >> mark-page... > > I may be missing something, but I don't see the downside of making > them all consistent. I.e., I don't think such a change would break > anyone's workflow. I agree all they could be consistent. But what if some users prefer the old way? Maybe add a new customizable option that would affect the behavior of all these commands (extend/don't extend the region backwards)? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Aug 21 03:20:07 2019 Received: (at 17555) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Aug 2019 07:20:07 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34485 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1i0Kua-00041l-57 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 21 Aug 2019 03:20:07 -0400 Received: from mail-yb1-f196.google.com ([209.85.219.196]:38069) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1i0KuY-000418-0P for 17555@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 21 Aug 2019 03:20:02 -0400 Received: by mail-yb1-f196.google.com with SMTP id j199so639689ybg.5 for <17555@debbugs.gnu.org>; Wed, 21 Aug 2019 00:20:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=xWrxQvDYyPj2K4+Bpmg49ZIFJeMRPJbWgIhoz5pqbqA=; b=WpcGGPYWxDcR79c2l+7mot87xqKukpALOEEPIqw0l+90HGtDl0HmE3UbCiZB7XEnVI H7+r427x9DzO2383eSeRHFIHbcYsYHfJatGuh8nzaEYGbJTR/F7KS9DV17u3Psf54/3d Fcp9rmUNtPU0myOBKy5OQTZFHXOZrYj8rDYhRRX7TGjNMJoD22o60CFTFHA+roa0YRIm dcRU/nhq0rkfQVuHNpEkQ/cwKqw7qOilgCN5+uf9YxVS5Y0Bt4EMWXXgmSmUKwcphWny VX/ViQMEOwifgtrg5chAVPTLLhvJnWi9IY3D9PJ33BWxl8fILql5MELTrY21ta65KUvW 8Z/w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=xWrxQvDYyPj2K4+Bpmg49ZIFJeMRPJbWgIhoz5pqbqA=; b=LGtAIxTmgigzD3hCbUo/3KvV/EIM9D4Qk7ph1/EKdSFcge/C/D7VdFvVHdFF3k85Sp ZlcDE0o3sN1/0uj++5ngcMdcvf/qJe1MEu2jxrYap1aG5syPB7TMKKLpEywJQ3fuLsGJ uIQIHuCfR1Cn81K14S6qPnvl32Z9Vw+6JLd+jKeS3MMJzZHLEMskRBny7ztzuZ/YbErH me6wK7FRcq0FhulTnTqlZ56wKXqqzZUeqKGmABp5bvLnaIsmgIWbNDMsB+F/3fAynajc 2nJSn4xhvrW5ycTVGo4ICFVHr6IJCG7pULoXukhv3kzrqordLCrv+JEvlBVjanoDBsbt hr1A== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAWLFOoaDcGf8efi0g8VDT5npMQ8TnDQHEjdScShGDX+5/6DYFX6 Mv0eAtYraAADHKxPlOSolQ+3th/Hb73fyzpXRDw= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqzL3RHRirkfaWOpofQCRQFlZz8fq/7psel4AZIrKh043XKxhRhLf4b6dQ6/BG1c/je8Kkut3GW21j8yYtlKubg= X-Received: by 2002:a25:818d:: with SMTP id p13mr22913801ybk.322.1566371996370; Wed, 21 Aug 2019 00:19:56 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <87ftm3tieu.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> <87lfvumfuh.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87tvabv6gi.fsf@mail.linkov.net> In-Reply-To: <87tvabv6gi.fsf@mail.linkov.net> From: Dani Moncayo Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2019 09:19:44 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#17555: 24.4.50; 'mark-paragraph' does not allow extending the region backwards To: Juri Linkov Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 17555 Cc: 17555@debbugs.gnu.org, Lars Ingebrigtsen X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 12:07 AM Juri Linkov wrote: > > >> mark-paragraph could be fixed for consistency, but the problem is that > >> there are more commands that should be fixed then as well, e.g. mark-defun, > >> mark-page... > > > > I may be missing something, but I don't see the downside of making > > them all consistent. I.e., I don't think such a change would break > > anyone's workflow. > > I agree all they could be consistent. But what if some users prefer > the old way? I'd be surprised to see such users. But OK. > Maybe add a new customizable option that would affect > the behavior of all these commands (extend/don't extend the region backwards)? I'd be fine with that (though it would increase the complexity of the code to cater to some use-case that perhaps no one would care about). -- Dani Moncayo From unknown Wed Jun 25 03:56:52 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2019 11:24:10 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator