From unknown Sun Aug 10 16:51:09 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#17343 <17343@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#17343 <17343@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: 24.2; Exponential growth of files using raw-mode Reply-To: bug#17343 <17343@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2025 23:51:09 +0000 retitle 17343 24.2; Exponential growth of files using raw-mode reassign 17343 emacs submitter 17343 Jeremy Barbay severity 17343 normal tag 17343 notabug thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Apr 24 23:50:23 2014 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Apr 2014 03:50:23 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57753 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WdX9a-0000rn-38 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 24 Apr 2014 23:50:23 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:54418) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WdV72-0004Ga-HV for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 24 Apr 2014 21:39:37 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WdV6w-00010F-EI for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 24 Apr 2014 21:39:36 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:38220) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WdV6w-000102-BT for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 24 Apr 2014 21:39:30 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:35451) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WdUYz-0000fQ-SK for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 24 Apr 2014 21:05:03 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WdP7y-0008Az-MA for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 24 Apr 2014 15:16:16 -0400 Received: from sunsite.dcc.uchile.cl ([192.80.24.2]:42772) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WdP7y-00086R-8m for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 24 Apr 2014 15:16:10 -0400 Received: from dichato.dcc.uchile.cl (dichato.dcc.uchile.cl [172.17.68.37]) by sunsite.dcc.uchile.cl (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-4) with ESMTP id s3OIwhis013970 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2014 15:58:44 -0300 Received: from raven (pc-113-237-73-200.cm.vtr.net [200.73.237.113]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by dichato.dcc.uchile.cl (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3AA4A28002D for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2014 15:58:43 -0300 (CLST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <21337.24289.430068.104422@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 15:58:41 -0300 From: Jeremy Barbay To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 24.2; Exponential growth of files using raw-mode X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.9 (sunsite.dcc.uchile.cl [172.17.68.57]); Thu, 24 Apr 2014 15:58:44 -0300 (CLST) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.1 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 23:50:16 -0400 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -4.1 (----) Hi. Following the short recipe below shows how a user saving files in "raw mode" could end up with files doubling their size each time saved, if following emacs' suggestion to save it in raw mode: * Recipe: 1. Save the following line in a file "testAccentsMinimal.txt" N=C3=A0=C2=A5=86=C3=A0=C2=A4=86=86=C3=A0=C2=A5=86 2. Repeatedly,=20 0) measure the size of the file (wc -c testAccentsMinimal.txt);=20= 1) open emacs loading the file (emacs -q testAccentsMinimal.txt); 2) insert and delete a character in it (manually); 3) save it selecting the suggested raw encoding (manually); 4) quit emacs (or force the reload of the file). * Result: This should give something akin to the following, where one can see the size of the file growing exponentially with the number of savings= =2E >wc -c testAccentsMinimal.txt ; emacs -q testAccentsMinimal.txt 11 testAccentsMinimal.txt >wc -c testAccentsMinimal.txt ; emacs -q testAccentsMinimal.txt 19 testAccentsMinimal.txt >wc -c testAccentsMinimal.txt ; emacs -q testAccentsMinimal.txt 35 testAccentsMinimal.txt >wc -c testAccentsMinimal.txt ; emacs -q testAccentsMinimal.txt 67 testAccentsMinimal.txt >wc -c testAccentsMinimal.txt ; emacs -q testAccentsMinimal.txt 131 testAccentsMinimal.txt >wc -c testAccentsMinimal.txt ; emacs -q testAccentsMinimal.txt 259 testAccentsMinimal.txt >wc -c testAccentsMinimal.txt ; emacs -q testAccentsMinimal.txt 515 testAccentsMinimal.txt >wc -c testAccentsMinimal.txt ; emacs -q testAccentsMinimal.txt 1027 testAccentsMinimal.txt >wc -c testAccentsMinimal.txt ; emacs -Q testAccentsMinimal.txt 2051 testAccentsMinimal.txt * (Tentative) Explanation: - Even though the file is saved in "raw" mode, it is read in another mode which prefix the "special" characters with a unicode code. - Due to symbols from incompatible encodings, emacs is confused about= which encoding to use for saving and asks the user about it. * Why it matters: - The faulty sequence above occured naturally from copy pasting from various webpages (containing accented characters) into the same document, and was identified when some files grew too large. - Files (e.g. of notes) end up doubling in size at each edition, unti= l they fill the memory and/or hard-drive, slow down the system and make Emacs complain about the size of the file. * (Potential) Solutions: - when saving a file with conflicting encodings, instead of merely suggesting the raw encoding, add an option to "clean" the file instead of merely save it in raw mode, for instance by projecting the file to an encoding by deleting all symbols which are incompatible with it. I think that I signaled this bug 1 year ago in Emacs 23 and was answere= d at the time that this would be solved by the next version (24), but it occured to me recently that this undesirable behavior was still there := ( I hope it helps. =20 --=20 Jeremy (http://www.dcc.uchile.cl/~jbarbay) In GNU Emacs 24.2.1 (x86=5F64-unknown-linux-gnu, X toolkit, Xaw scroll = bars) of 2013-02-27 on raven Windowing system distributor `The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.11300= 000 Important settings: value of $LC=5FALL: nil value of $LC=5FCOLLATE: nil value of $LC=5FCTYPE: nil value of $LC=5FMESSAGES: nil value of $LC=5FMONETARY: en=5FUS.UTF-8 value of $LC=5FNUMERIC: en=5FUS.UTF-8 value of $LC=5FTIME: en=5FUS.UTF-8 value of $LANG: en=5FUS.UTF-8 value of $XMODIFIERS: nil locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix default enable-multibyte-characters: t Major mode: Text Minor modes in effect: tooltip-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t tool-bar-mode: t menu-bar-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t blink-cursor-mode: t auto-composition-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t line-number-mode: t transient-mark-mode: t Recent input: =20 =20 Recent messages: For information about GNU Emacs and the GNU system, type C-h C-a. 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Features: (shadow sort gnus-util mail-extr dabbrev emacsbug message format-spec rfc822 mml easymenu mml-sec mm-decode mm-bodies mm-encode mail-parse rfc2231 mailabbrev gmm-utils mailheader sendmail rfc2047 rfc2045 ietf-drums mm-util mail-prsvr mail-utils vc-git ind-util regexp-opt time-date tooltip ediff-hook vc-hooks lisp-float-type mwheel x-win x-dn= d tool-bar dnd fontset image fringe lisp-mode register page menu-bar rfn-eshadow timer select scroll-bar mouse jit-lock font-lock syntax facemenu font-core frame cham georgian utf-8-lang misc-lang vietnamese tibetan thai tai-viet lao korean japanese hebrew greek romanian slovak czech european ethiopic indian cyrillic chinese case-table epa-hook jka-cmpr-hook help simple abbrev minibuffer loaddefs button faces cus-face files text-properties overlay sha1 md5 base64 format env code-pages mule custom widget hashtable-print-readable backquote make-network-process dbusbind dynamic-setting system-font-setting font-render-setting x-toolkit x multi-tty emacs) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Apr 25 03:13:35 2014 Received: (at 17343) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Apr 2014 07:13:35 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57886 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WdaKE-0008Ng-HE for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 25 Apr 2014 03:13:35 -0400 Received: from mtaout22.012.net.il ([80.179.55.172]:53964) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WdaKA-0008NQ-L2 for 17343@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 25 Apr 2014 03:13:31 -0400 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout22.012.net.il by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0N4K00500RVS5400@a-mtaout22.012.net.il> for 17343@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 25 Apr 2014 10:13:29 +0300 (IDT) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0N4K005ZDS2G4F10@a-mtaout22.012.net.il>; Fri, 25 Apr 2014 10:13:29 +0300 (IDT) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2014 10:13:29 +0300 From: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#17343: 24.2; Exponential growth of files using raw-mode In-reply-to: <21337.24289.430068.104422@gargle.gargle.HOWL> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il To: Jeremy Barbay Message-id: <83oazpq3ty.fsf@gnu.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT References: <21337.24289.430068.104422@gargle.gargle.HOWL> X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 17343 Cc: 17343@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) > Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 15:58:41 -0300 > From: Jeremy Barbay > > Following the short recipe below shows how a user saving files in "raw > mode" could end up with files doubling their size each time saved, if > following emacs' suggestion to save it in raw mode: > > * Recipe: > > 1. Save the following line in a file "testAccentsMinimal.txt" > > Nà¥\206à¤\206\206à¥\206 > > 2. Repeatedly, > > 0) measure the size of the file (wc -c testAccentsMinimal.txt); > 1) open emacs loading the file (emacs -q testAccentsMinimal.txt); > 2) insert and delete a character in it (manually); > 3) save it selecting the suggested raw encoding (manually); > 4) quit emacs (or force the reload of the file). > > * Result: > > This should give something akin to the following, where one can see > the size of the file growing exponentially with the number of savings. > > >wc -c testAccentsMinimal.txt ; emacs -q testAccentsMinimal.txt > 11 testAccentsMinimal.txt > >wc -c testAccentsMinimal.txt ; emacs -q testAccentsMinimal.txt > 19 testAccentsMinimal.txt > >wc -c testAccentsMinimal.txt ; emacs -q testAccentsMinimal.txt > 35 testAccentsMinimal.txt > >wc -c testAccentsMinimal.txt ; emacs -q testAccentsMinimal.txt > 67 testAccentsMinimal.txt > >wc -c testAccentsMinimal.txt ; emacs -q testAccentsMinimal.txt > 131 testAccentsMinimal.txt > >wc -c testAccentsMinimal.txt ; emacs -q testAccentsMinimal.txt > 259 testAccentsMinimal.txt > >wc -c testAccentsMinimal.txt ; emacs -q testAccentsMinimal.txt > 515 testAccentsMinimal.txt > >wc -c testAccentsMinimal.txt ; emacs -q testAccentsMinimal.txt > 1027 testAccentsMinimal.txt > >wc -c testAccentsMinimal.txt ; emacs -Q testAccentsMinimal.txt > 2051 testAccentsMinimal.txt > > * (Tentative) Explanation: > > - Even though the file is saved in "raw" mode, it is read in another > mode which prefix the "special" characters with a unicode code. > - Due to symbols from incompatible encodings, emacs is confused about > which encoding to use for saving and asks the user about it. > > * Why it matters: > > - The faulty sequence above occured naturally from copy pasting from > various webpages (containing accented characters) into the same > document, and was identified when some files grew too large. - > Files (e.g. of notes) end up doubling in size at each edition, until > they fill the memory and/or hard-drive, slow down the system and > make Emacs complain about the size of the file. > > * (Potential) Solutions: > > - when saving a file with conflicting encodings, instead of merely > suggesting the raw encoding, add an option to "clean" the file > instead of merely save it in raw mode, for instance by projecting > the file to an encoding by deleting all symbols which are > incompatible with it. > > I think that I signaled this bug 1 year ago in Emacs 23 and was answered > at the time that this would be solved by the next version (24), but it > occured to me recently that this undesirable behavior was still there :( It's not a bug. When you modify a file, its size can grow, sometimes a lot, due to a change in encoding. This is intended behavior. To avoid the problem in the first place, once you discover that the file was visited with raw-text encoding, use "C-x RET r" to re-visit the buffer in the encoding you think is correct, and then manually fix the bad sequences. Then the growth will not happen. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Apr 27 20:28:50 2014 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Apr 2014 00:28:50 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43397 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WeZRB-0007OV-Me for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 27 Apr 2014 20:28:49 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:41336 ident=Debian-exim) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WeZR8-0007OK-MQ for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 27 Apr 2014 20:28:47 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WeZR8-0002Vd-3i for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 27 Apr 2014 20:28:46 -0400 Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2014 20:28:46 -0400 Message-Id: Subject: control message for bug 17343 To: X-Mailer: mail (GNU Mailutils 2.1) From: Glenn Morris X-Spam-Score: -5.7 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.7 (-----) tag 17343 notabug close 17343 From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Apr 28 23:57:48 2014 Received: (at 17343) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Apr 2014 03:57:48 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44278 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WezAx-0004fl-Ii for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 28 Apr 2014 23:57:47 -0400 Received: from pruche.dit.umontreal.ca ([132.204.246.22]:53594) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WezAr-0004fA-Uh for 17343@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 28 Apr 2014 23:57:42 -0400 Received: from ceviche.home (lechon.iro.umontreal.ca [132.204.27.242]) by pruche.dit.umontreal.ca (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id s3T3vR0R028903; Mon, 28 Apr 2014 23:57:30 -0400 Received: by ceviche.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 3FB4F66656; Fri, 25 Apr 2014 14:15:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Stefan Monnier To: Jeremy Barbay Subject: Re: bug#17343: 24.2; Exponential growth of files using raw-mode Message-ID: References: <21337.24289.430068.104422@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2014 14:15:34 -0400 In-Reply-To: <21337.24289.430068.104422@gargle.gargle.HOWL> (Jeremy Barbay's message of "Thu, 24 Apr 2014 15:58:41 -0300") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=-=-=" X-NAI-Spam-Flag: NO X-NAI-Spam-Threshold: 5 X-NAI-Spam-Score: 0 X-NAI-Spam-Rules: 1 Rules triggered RV4925=0 X-NAI-Spam-Version: 2.3.0.9378 : core <4925> : inlines <786> : streams <1168801> : uri <1743348> X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 17343 Cc: 17343@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > 1. Save the following line in a file "testAccentsMinimal.txt" > N=E0=A5 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =86 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 4KQ= --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =86=86 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 4KU= --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =86 > 2. Repeatedly,=20 > 0) measure the size of the file (wc -c testAccentsMinimal.txt);=20 > 1) open emacs loading the file (emacs -q testAccentsMinimal.txt); > 2) insert and delete a character in it (manually); > 3) save it selecting the suggested raw encoding (manually); I cannot reproduce this. At this step, Emacs just saves the file silently. And the file keeps its size constant. I tried with Debian's Emacs-24.3 and Emacs-23.4 as well as with the current pretest (and using "-Q" rather than "-q"). > I think that I signaled this bug 1 year ago in Emacs 23 and was answere= d > at the time that this would be solved by the next version (24), but it > occured to me recently that this undesirable behavior was still there := ( We're pretesting 24.4, so hopefully we can finally crush this one for 24.4. Stefan --=-=-=-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Apr 29 01:48:51 2014 Received: (at 17343) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Apr 2014 05:48:51 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44315 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Wf0uQ-0008Nt-W9 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 29 Apr 2014 01:48:51 -0400 Received: from smtpo09.poczta.onet.pl ([213.180.142.140]:60740) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Wf0uO-0008Nb-Kx for 17343@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 29 Apr 2014 01:48:50 -0400 Received: from [192.168.17.9] (cj.e-siemianowice.pl [95.215.234.30]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jarekczek@poczta.onet.pl) by smtp.poczta.onet.pl (Onet) with ESMTPSA id 3gHsNV0J84z9v083 for <17343@debbugs.gnu.org>; Tue, 29 Apr 2014 07:48:41 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=poczta.onet.pl; s=2011; t=1398750522; bh=N62jiC39JDa4pLQrMlxTFn+2qmGry+1hY2Zot+MrrrU=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject:Content-Type: Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=RrB1iZTdVbT1GMswFkqyoz07l4atQ0G8tzpqr6wvWv1Kl1qykXwa1B82W4jwaBSAI xycUGxob12fJgic1JZ7bByX/vNFG6KqWFkBtXLpCdYm7ljWILqfOQQXY0V8545pKPB U7u74JvDZBiGCSNhGU2ZPE6Xb6nwv5YAclDwfae4= Message-ID: <535F3D38.8090702@poczta.onet.pl> Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2014 07:48:40 +0200 From: Jarek Czekalski User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 17343@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: 24.2; Exponential growth of files using raw-mode Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -0.6 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 17343 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.6 (/) I also cannot reproduce. I will try again but please: 1. Provide 3 files for the first 3 steps (11, 19 and 35 bytes) - I'm not sure that I paste the correct sequence 2. Explain: in step 2 - is it a good way to reproduce: inserting "a" character as the first one on the second (empty) line in the file and deleting it? Jarek From unknown Sun Aug 10 16:51:09 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Tue, 27 May 2014 11:24:03 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator