From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Apr 21 13:43:55 2014 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Apr 2014 17:43:55 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54320 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WcIG2-0004f8-Dg for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 21 Apr 2014 13:43:55 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:45846) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WcGdR-0001KZ-S3 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 21 Apr 2014 11:59:58 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WcGdL-0001CR-M8 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 21 Apr 2014 11:59:57 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM, T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]:51749) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WcGdL-0001CN-Jn for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 21 Apr 2014 11:59:51 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:47536) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WcGdF-0004Yz-EK for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Apr 2014 11:59:51 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WcGd9-0001BY-Fs for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Apr 2014 11:59:45 -0400 Received: from mail-ee0-x22a.google.com ([2a00:1450:4013:c00::22a]:52545) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WcGd9-0001BU-8i for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Apr 2014 11:59:39 -0400 Received: by mail-ee0-f42.google.com with SMTP id d17so3764864eek.1 for ; Mon, 21 Apr 2014 08:59:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type; bh=wuNKUOtoyASrGkbrdC239kA42XWwBxApJXVCVYr2yVs=; b=IQ64qJZhrM7i9sKtquV1wf6SdBfDJwClyNWcJwcszfLHITSR8ZGRk1JDWCGC/Lw1EN wKZxU9LR8WnS4+yfTCzTzu09yWpx25pRg833cScsBb18Z9c1+dKu3mllwZhBEc6SiWgC oki7+BpYGkIHg2c9kkxpR/i2V7HjEWypCC494ctSv0dsS02z8B4YC1YKkGSHIksPpn6d yhBDrR7p7hwtylwYrNpmOtLyJgODRI7JK5yw1g7ltRfJ701GdAXJXZXo1AwqdMXjvnQZ cDUS3AkNnk6ND9j6SLv1/IylBF17SPotpoJJzQ27s//Mn46Q9YZEGZQfLf+OX8cMXK+b q1kw== X-Received: by 10.15.61.133 with SMTP id i5mr3283455eex.80.1398095977871; Mon, 21 Apr 2014 08:59:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jsynacek-ntb (ip-94-112-190-177.net.upcbroadband.cz. [94.112.190.177]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id q49sm104683836eem.34.2014.04.21.08.59.36 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 21 Apr 2014 08:59:36 -0700 (PDT) From: jan.synacek@gmail.com (Jan =?utf-8?B?U3luw6HEjWVr?=) To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 24.4.50; Typos in autotype info Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2014 18:00:39 +0200 Message-ID: <87r44q7jvc.fsf@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 208.118.235.17 X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 21 Apr 2014 13:43:53 -0400 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) Section 4, "Skeleton Language", there is "Iff" twice in the text describing '&' and '|'. In GNU Emacs 24.4.50.7 (x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.10.8) of 2014-04-21 on jsynacek-ntb Windowing system distributor `The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.11500000 System Description: NAME=Gentoo From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Apr 21 16:50:21 2014 Received: (at 17309) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Apr 2014 20:50:21 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54429 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WcLAS-0003Ll-8r for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 21 Apr 2014 16:50:20 -0400 Received: from mtaout20.012.net.il ([80.179.55.166]:46388) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WcLAO-0003LX-21 for 17309@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 21 Apr 2014 16:50:17 -0400 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout20.012.net.il by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0N4E00900ETHXD00@a-mtaout20.012.net.il> for 17309@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 21 Apr 2014 23:50:14 +0300 (IDT) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0N4E009V2F7PMG60@a-mtaout20.012.net.il>; Mon, 21 Apr 2014 23:50:14 +0300 (IDT) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2014 23:50:05 +0300 From: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#17309: 24.4.50; Typos in autotype info In-reply-to: <87r44q7jvc.fsf@gmail.com> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il To: jan.synacek@gmail.com (Jan =?utf-8?B?U3luw6HEjWVr?=) Message-id: <8361m2csqq.fsf@gnu.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT References: <87r44q7jvc.fsf@gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 17309 Cc: 17309@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) > From: jan.synacek@gmail.com (Jan Synáček) > Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2014 18:00:39 +0200 > > > Section 4, "Skeleton Language", there is "Iff" twice in the text > describing '&' and '|'. Not typos: "iff" means "if and only if". From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Apr 21 17:33:00 2014 Received: (at 17309) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Apr 2014 21:33:01 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54436 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WcLpk-0004fa-EC for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 21 Apr 2014 17:33:00 -0400 Received: from chene.dit.umontreal.ca ([132.204.246.20]:33349) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WcLpi-0004fQ-0p for 17309@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 21 Apr 2014 17:32:58 -0400 Received: from pastel.home (lechon.iro.umontreal.ca [132.204.27.242]) by chene.dit.umontreal.ca (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id s3LLWtEg016433; Mon, 21 Apr 2014 17:32:56 -0400 Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 8CE67600CA; Mon, 21 Apr 2014 17:32:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Stefan Monnier To: jan.synacek@gmail.com (Jan =?utf-8?B?U3luw6HEjWVr?=) Subject: Re: bug#17309: 24.4.50; Typos in autotype info Message-ID: References: <87r44q7jvc.fsf@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2014 17:32:55 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87r44q7jvc.fsf@gmail.com> ("Jan =?utf-8?B?U3luw6HEjWVrIidz?= message of "Mon, 21 Apr 2014 18:00:39 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-NAI-Spam-Flag: NO X-NAI-Spam-Level: X-NAI-Spam-Threshold: 5 X-NAI-Spam-Score: 0.2 X-NAI-Spam-Rules: 2 Rules triggered GEN_SPAM_FEATRE=0.2, RV4919=0 X-NAI-Spam-Version: 2.3.0.9378 : core <4919> : inlines <751> : streams <1164205> : uri <1736694> X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 17309 Cc: 17309@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) > Section 4, "Skeleton Language", there is "Iff" twice in the text > describing '&' and '|'. It's a standard mathematical expression for "if and only if". In French, we say "ssi" instead. Stefan From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Apr 21 21:42:58 2014 Received: (at 17309) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Apr 2014 01:42:58 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54550 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WcPje-0004Er-0Y for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 21 Apr 2014 21:42:58 -0400 Received: from pruche.dit.umontreal.ca ([132.204.246.22]:50989) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WcPja-0004Ee-HB for 17309@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 21 Apr 2014 21:42:55 -0400 Received: from pastel.home (lechon.iro.umontreal.ca [132.204.27.242]) by pruche.dit.umontreal.ca (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id s3M1gpKD032087; Mon, 21 Apr 2014 21:42:52 -0400 Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 6BADA600CA; Mon, 21 Apr 2014 21:42:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Stefan Monnier To: jan.synacek@gmail.com (Jan =?utf-8?B?U3luw6HEjWVr?=) Subject: Re: bug#17309: 24.4.50; Typos in autotype info Message-ID: References: <87r44q7jvc.fsf@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2014 21:42:51 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Mon, 21 Apr 2014 17:32:55 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-NAI-Spam-Flag: NO X-NAI-Spam-Level: X-NAI-Spam-Threshold: 5 X-NAI-Spam-Score: 0.2 X-NAI-Spam-Rules: 2 Rules triggered GEN_SPAM_FEATRE=0.2, RV4919=0 X-NAI-Spam-Version: 2.3.0.9378 : core <4919> : inlines <752> : streams <1164239> : uri <1736885> X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 17309 Cc: 17309@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) > It's a standard mathematical expression for "if and only if". > In French, we say "ssi" instead. But yes, we should document it in the glossary, Stefan From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Apr 21 22:50:31 2014 Received: (at 17309) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Apr 2014 02:50:31 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54560 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WcQmz-0006Mj-TL for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 21 Apr 2014 22:50:31 -0400 Received: from mtaout23.012.net.il ([80.179.55.175]:39905) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WcQmv-0006MV-0j for 17309@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 21 Apr 2014 22:50:26 -0400 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout23.012.net.il by a-mtaout23.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0N4E00I00VV4HO00@a-mtaout23.012.net.il> for 17309@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 22 Apr 2014 05:50:22 +0300 (IDT) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout23.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0N4E00II4VVYD170@a-mtaout23.012.net.il>; Tue, 22 Apr 2014 05:50:22 +0300 (IDT) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2014 05:50:14 +0300 From: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#17309: 24.4.50; Typos in autotype info In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il To: Stefan Monnier Message-id: <83r44qaxi1.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87r44q7jvc.fsf@gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 17309 Cc: jan.synacek@gmail.com, 17309@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) > From: Stefan Monnier > Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2014 21:42:51 -0400 > Cc: 17309@debbugs.gnu.org > > > It's a standard mathematical expression for "if and only if". > > In French, we say "ssi" instead. > > But yes, we should document it in the glossary, We already do. 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[209.132.186.34]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id gc2sm20386222wic.3.2014.04.21.22.48.38 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 21 Apr 2014 22:48:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <535602B5.50209@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2014 07:48:37 +0200 From: =?UTF-8?B?SmFuIFN5bsOhxI1law==?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Eli Zaretskii , Stefan Monnier Subject: Re: bug#17309: 24.4.50; Typos in autotype info References: <87r44q7jvc.fsf@gmail.com> <83r44qaxi1.fsf@gnu.org> In-Reply-To: <83r44qaxi1.fsf@gnu.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 17309 Cc: 17309@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) On 04/22/2014 04:50 AM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> From: Stefan Monnier >> Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2014 21:42:51 -0400 >> Cc: 17309@debbugs.gnu.org >> >>> It's a standard mathematical expression for "if and only if". >>> In French, we say "ssi" instead. >> >> But yes, we should document it in the glossary, > > We already do. > Hmm, I didn't know that. 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[209.132.186.34]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id lj15sm21491144wic.13.2014.04.22.02.37.44 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 22 Apr 2014 02:37:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <53563868.3020900@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2014 11:37:44 +0200 From: =?UTF-8?B?SmFuIFN5bsOhxI1law==?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 17309@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#17309: 24.4.50; Typos in autotype info References: <87r44q7jvc.fsf@gmail.com> <83r44qaxi1.fsf@gnu.org> In-Reply-To: <83r44qaxi1.fsf@gnu.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 17309 Cc: Eli Zaretskii , Stefan Monnier X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) On 04/22/2014 04:50 AM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> From: Stefan Monnier >> Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2014 21:42:51 -0400 >> Cc: 17309@debbugs.gnu.org >> >>> It's a standard mathematical expression for "if and only if". >>> In French, we say "ssi" instead. >> >> But yes, we should document it in the glossary, > > We already do. I checked the glossary and this is what it says: "Iff" means "if and only if". This terminology comes from mathematics. Try to avoid using this term in documentation, since many are unfamiliar with it and mistake it for a typo. So yes, I mistook it for a typo:) Another thing is that the Glossary is located inside the "Emacs" info node, but I reported the bug against the Autotype info node. Cheers, -- Jan Synáček From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Apr 22 10:40:48 2014 Received: (at 17309) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Apr 2014 14:40:48 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55257 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WcbsO-0004pP-8Y for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 22 Apr 2014 10:40:48 -0400 Received: from pruche.dit.umontreal.ca ([132.204.246.22]:60567) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WcbsK-0004pA-KR for 17309@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 22 Apr 2014 10:40:45 -0400 Received: from fmsmemgm.homelinux.net (lechon.iro.umontreal.ca [132.204.27.242]) by pruche.dit.umontreal.ca (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id s3MEegNJ019739; Tue, 22 Apr 2014 10:40:43 -0400 Received: by fmsmemgm.homelinux.net (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 2DE5CAE159; Tue, 22 Apr 2014 10:40:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Stefan Monnier To: Jan =?utf-8?B?U3luw6HEjWVr?= Subject: Re: bug#17309: 24.4.50; Typos in autotype info Message-ID: References: <87r44q7jvc.fsf@gmail.com> <83r44qaxi1.fsf@gnu.org> <53563868.3020900@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2014 10:40:43 -0400 In-Reply-To: <53563868.3020900@gmail.com> ("Jan =?utf-8?B?U3luw6HEjWVrIidz?= message of "Tue, 22 Apr 2014 11:37:44 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-NAI-Spam-Flag: NO X-NAI-Spam-Level: X-NAI-Spam-Threshold: 5 X-NAI-Spam-Score: 0.2 X-NAI-Spam-Rules: 2 Rules triggered GEN_SPAM_FEATRE=0.2, RV4920=0 X-NAI-Spam-Version: 2.3.0.9378 : core <4920> : inlines <755> : streams <1164568> : uri <1737496> X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 17309 Cc: 17309@debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) > "Iff" means "if and only if". This terminology comes from > mathematics. Try to avoid using this term in documentation, since > many are unfamiliar with it and mistake it for a typo. Indeed, I think "iff" is perfectly fine in docstrings, but we should refrain from using it in the Texinfo documentation. Stefan From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Apr 22 10:49:00 2014 Received: (at 17309) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Apr 2014 14:49:00 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55262 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Wcc0J-00055g-7r for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 22 Apr 2014 10:48:59 -0400 Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:21801) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Wcc0G-00055S-E1 for 17309@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 22 Apr 2014 10:48:57 -0400 Received: from ucsinet21.oracle.com (ucsinet21.oracle.com [156.151.31.93]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id s3MEmriv003962 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 22 Apr 2014 14:48:54 GMT Received: from aserz7021.oracle.com (aserz7021.oracle.com [141.146.126.230]) by ucsinet21.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id s3MEmqlQ013561 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 22 Apr 2014 14:48:53 GMT Received: from abhmp0019.oracle.com (abhmp0019.oracle.com [141.146.116.25]) by aserz7021.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id s3MEmquX016120; Tue, 22 Apr 2014 14:48:52 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4f756b3e-b66b-4738-88f2-b20d6645c17c@default> Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2014 07:48:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams To: Stefan Monnier , =?iso-8859-1?B?SmFuIFN5buE/ZWs=?= Subject: RE: bug#17309: 24.4.50; Typos in autotype info References: <87r44q7jvc.fsf@gmail.com> <83r44qaxi1.fsf@gnu.org> <53563868.3020900@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.8 (707110) [OL 12.0.6691.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: ucsinet21.oracle.com [156.151.31.93] X-Spam-Score: -3.0 (---) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 17309 Cc: 17309@debbugs.gnu.org, rms@gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.0 (---) > > "Iff" means "if and only if". This terminology comes from > > mathematics. Try to avoid using this term in documentation, since > > many are unfamiliar with it and mistake it for a typo. >=20 > Indeed, I think "iff" is perfectly fine in docstrings, but we should > refrain from using it in the Texinfo documentation. FWIW, a different policy was decided and followed before: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2007-08/msg00306.html Why this policy change now? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Apr 22 10:50:44 2014 Received: (at 17309) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Apr 2014 14:50:45 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55267 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Wcc20-00059b-7h for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 22 Apr 2014 10:50:44 -0400 Received: from mxin.ulb.ac.be ([164.15.128.112]:47157) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Wcc1w-00059M-Cr for 17309@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 22 Apr 2014 10:50:41 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ArUHACaBVlOkD4Xx/2dsb2JhbABZrl2ZZoEsdIImAQV5EAshJQ8BBEkTiCwBFKoJmxgBh0IXh1eGfweEOASfMoQ3h1mDMzs Received: from mathsrv4.ulb.ac.be (HELO geodiff-mac3.ulb.ac.be) ([164.15.133.241]) by smtp.ulb.ac.be with ESMTP; 22 Apr 2014 16:50:37 +0200 From: Nicolas Richard To: Stefan Monnier Subject: Re: bug#17309: 24.4.50; Typos in autotype info References: <87r44q7jvc.fsf@gmail.com> <83r44qaxi1.fsf@gnu.org> <53563868.3020900@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2014 16:51:16 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Tue, 22 Apr 2014 10:40:43 -0400") Message-ID: <8738h54duj.fsf@geodiff-mac3.ulb.ac.be> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.90 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 17309 Cc: Jan =?utf-8?B?U3luw6HEjWVr?= , 17309@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) Stefan Monnier writes: >> "Iff" means "if and only if". This terminology comes from >> mathematics. Try to avoid using this term in documentation, since >> many are unfamiliar with it and mistake it for a typo. > > Indeed, I think "iff" is perfectly fine in docstrings, but we should > refrain from using it in the Texinfo documentation. I grepped for '\biff\b' and got: ./info/message.info:625: header. (Iff `Cc' header is not present, `Bcc' header will be ./info/autotype.info:231: Logical and. Iff preceding element moved point, i.e., usually ./info/autotype.info:235: Logical xor. Iff preceding element didn't move point, i.e., (+ entries explaining it, or saying not to use it) Having no experience with the involved packages, I don't suggest a patch. -- Nico. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Apr 22 11:23:41 2014 Received: (at 17309) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Apr 2014 15:23:41 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55277 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WccXs-0006Cu-5v for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 22 Apr 2014 11:23:40 -0400 Received: from mxin.ulb.ac.be ([164.15.128.112]:12527) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WccXp-0006Cj-Ur for 17309@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 22 Apr 2014 11:23:38 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AusHAHiIVlOkD4Xx/2dsb2JhbABZhCABAao8mWaBLHSCJQEBBAF5BQsLISUPAQRJE4gsAQMJCKoAmxQBh0IXh1eEZ4FlMweEOASTYoMmiCqEN4IHhVKDMzs Received: from mathsrv4.ulb.ac.be (HELO geodiff-mac3.ulb.ac.be) ([164.15.133.241]) by smtp.ulb.ac.be with ESMTP; 22 Apr 2014 17:23:37 +0200 From: Nicolas Richard To: Nicolas Richard Subject: Re: bug#17309: 24.4.50; Typos in autotype info References: <87r44q7jvc.fsf@gmail.com> <83r44qaxi1.fsf@gnu.org> <53563868.3020900@gmail.com> <8738h54duj.fsf@geodiff-mac3.ulb.ac.be> Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2014 17:24:16 +0200 In-Reply-To: <8738h54duj.fsf@geodiff-mac3.ulb.ac.be> (Nicolas Richard's message of "Tue, 22 Apr 2014 16:51:16 +0200") Message-ID: <87tx9l2xr3.fsf@geodiff-mac3.ulb.ac.be> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.90 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 17309 Cc: Jan =?utf-8?B?U3luw6HEjWVr?= , Stefan Monnier , 17309@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) Nicolas Richard writes: > Stefan Monnier writes: > >>> "Iff" means "if and only if". This terminology comes from >>> mathematics. Try to avoid using this term in documentation, since >>> many are unfamiliar with it and mistake it for a typo. >> >> Indeed, I think "iff" is perfectly fine in docstrings, but we should >> refrain from using it in the Texinfo documentation. > > I grepped for '\biff\b' and got: > ./info/message.info:625: header. (Iff `Cc' header is not present, `B= cc' header will be > ./info/autotype.info:231: Logical and. Iff preceding element moved p= oint, i.e., usually > ./info/autotype.info:235: Logical xor. Iff preceding element didn't = move point, i.e., > (+ entries explaining it, or saying not to use it) > > Having no experience with the involved packages, I don't suggest a > patch. In view of Drew Adams' comment, here's the rest of the grep -- I removed entries which are not part of docstrings (mostly ChangeLog, plain comments and auto generated files) : ./lisp/progmodes/js.el:1355:variable name in the spec. Return true iff thi= s was actually a ./lisp/progmodes/gdb-mi.el:1982: "Return non-nil iff STR and MATCH are equ= al up to the end of either strings. ./lisp/progmodes/gdb-mi.el:1992: "Return non-nil iff CHARACTER is a numeri= cal character between 0 and 9." ./lisp/progmodes/prolog.el:3231: "Non-nil iff the mark is set. Lobotomi= zed version for Emacsen that do not provide their own." ./lisp/progmodes/sh-script.el:2363:;; "Iff it isn't, define the current sh= ell as abbrev table and fill that. ./lisp/url/url-parse.el:128:FULLNESS is non-nil iff the hierarchical sequen= ce component of ./lisp/cedet/semantic/tag.el:175: "Return the buffer TAG resides in IFF ta= g is already in a buffer. ./lisp/cedet/semantic/ia-sb.el:142: "Show documentation about CONTEXT iff = CONTEXT points at a complete symbol." ./lisp/cedet/semantic/bovine/c.el:1597:handled. A class is abstract iff it= s destructor is virtual." ./lisp/cedet/ede.el:103:argument, the directory name; the function should r= eturn t iff ./lisp/cedet/ede.el:707:Return nil iff DIR should not be in `ede-project-di= rectories'." ./lisp/menu-bar.el:925: "Return non-nil iff VAL is a positive number." ./lisp/textmodes/reftex-parse.el:360: "Return non-nil iff we are using bib= latex rather than bibtex." ./lisp/minibuffer.el:2776:Those chars are treated as delimiters iff this va= riable is non-nil. ./lisp/gnus/gnus-registry.el:1130:the user is asked first. Returns non-nil= iff the registry is enabled." ./lisp/allout-widgets.el:269:Table is maintained iff `allout-widgets-mainta= in-tally' is non-nil. ./lisp/allout-widgets.el:1855:Optional HAS-SUCCESSOR is true iff the item i= s followed by a sibling. ./lisp/org/org-mouse.el:242: "Return non-nil iff the line contains only wh= ite space." ./lisp/org/org-mouse.el:284:enabled for a given keyword iff (funcall SELECT= ED keyword) return ./src/floatfns.c:145: doc: /* Return non nil iff argument X is a NaN.= */) ./lisp/progmodes/verilog-mode.el:3163: "Return t iff the scan cache is up = to date." ./lisp/progmodes/js.el:1305: "Return non-nil iff point is in a function pa= rameter list." ./lisp/progmodes/js.el:1316: "Return non-nil iff point is in a Dojo multip= le-inheritance class block." The grep command was: find . -type d \( -path \*/.eunit -o -path \*/.git -o -path \*/.hg -o -path= \*/.fslckout -o -path \*/.bzr -o -path \*/_darcs -o -path \*/venv -o -path= \*/build -o -path \*/SCCS -o -path \*/RCS -o -path \*/CVS -o -path \*/MCVS= -o -path \*/.svn -o -path \*/_MTN -o -path \*/\{arch\} \) -prune -o \! -ty= pe d \( -name TAGS -o -name .\#\* -o -name \*mtc\* -o -name \*maf -o -name = \*.o -o -name \*\~ -o -name \*.bin -o -name \*.lbin -o -name \*.so -o -name= \*.a -o -name \*.ln -o -name \*.blg -o -name \*.bbl -o -name \*.elc -o -na= me \*.lof -o -name \*.glo -o -name \*.idx -o -name \*.lot -o -name \*.fmt -= o -name \*.tfm -o -name \*.class -o -name \*.fas -o -name \*.lib -o -name \= *.mem -o -name \*.x86f -o -name \*.sparcf -o -name \*.dfsl -o -name \*.pfsl= -o -name \*.d64fsl -o -name \*.p64fsl -o -name \*.lx64fsl -o -name \*.lx32= fsl -o -name \*.dx64fsl -o -name \*.dx32fsl -o -name \*.fx64fsl -o -name \*= .fx32fsl -o -name \*.sx64fsl -o -name \*.sx32fsl -o -name \*.wx64fsl -o -na= me \*.wx32fsl -o -name \*.fasl -o -name \*.ufsl -o -name \*.fsl -o -name \*= .dxl -o -name \*.lo -o -name \*.la -o -name \*.gmo -o -name \*.mo -o -name = \*.toc -o -name \*.aux -o -name \*.cp -o -name \*.fn -o -name \*.ky -o -nam= e \*.pg -o -name \*.tp -o -name \*.vr -o -name \*.cps -o -name \*.fns -o -n= ame \*.kys -o -name \*.pgs -o -name \*.tps -o -name \*.vrs -o -name \*.pyc = -o -name \*.pyo \) -prune -o -type f \( -name \* -o -name .\* \) -exec gre= p -i -nH -e \\biff\\b {}+=20 which returns 194 lines. Removal was then done mostly manually. --=20 Nico. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Apr 22 12:47:14 2014 Received: (at 17309) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Apr 2014 16:47:14 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55304 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Wcdqj-0000TB-H9 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 22 Apr 2014 12:47:13 -0400 Received: from mtaout27.012.net.il ([80.179.55.183]:60184) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Wcdqf-0000Sv-IM for 17309@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 22 Apr 2014 12:47:10 -0400 Received: from conversion-daemon.mtaout27.012.net.il by mtaout27.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0N4F00J00XXBVG00@mtaout27.012.net.il> for 17309@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 22 Apr 2014 19:43:36 +0300 (IDT) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by mtaout27.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0N4F00HAFYGNDR50@mtaout27.012.net.il>; Tue, 22 Apr 2014 19:43:35 +0300 (IDT) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2014 19:47:01 +0300 From: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#17309: 24.4.50; Typos in autotype info In-reply-to: <53563868.3020900@gmail.com> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il To: Jan =?utf-8?B?U3luw6HEjWVr?= Message-id: <83k3ahb9bu.fsf@gnu.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT References: <87r44q7jvc.fsf@gmail.com> <83r44qaxi1.fsf@gnu.org> <53563868.3020900@gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 17309 Cc: 17309@debbugs.gnu.org, monnier@IRO.UMontreal.CA X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) > Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2014 11:37:44 +0200 > From: Jan Synáček > CC: Eli Zaretskii , > Stefan Monnier > > Another thing is that the Glossary is located inside the "Emacs" > info node, but I reported the bug against the Autotype info node. There's only one Glossary for all of the Emacs manuals. (Actually, most of the manuals in doc/misc are just parts of the Emacs User Manual that are kept separate to avoid bloating the volume and the price of the printed manual book; they are not separate manuals.) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Apr 22 12:53:13 2014 Received: (at 17309) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Apr 2014 16:53:13 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55312 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WcdwW-0000fI-Lx for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 22 Apr 2014 12:53:13 -0400 Received: from mtaout23.012.net.il ([80.179.55.175]:61670) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WcdwU-0000f2-I0 for 17309@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 22 Apr 2014 12:53:11 -0400 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout23.012.net.il by a-mtaout23.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0N4F00M00YEB5V00@a-mtaout23.012.net.il> for 17309@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 22 Apr 2014 19:53:09 +0300 (IDT) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout23.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0N4F00LRAYWKYS80@a-mtaout23.012.net.il>; Tue, 22 Apr 2014 19:53:09 +0300 (IDT) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2014 19:53:02 +0300 From: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#17309: 24.4.50; Typos in autotype info In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il To: Stefan Monnier Message-id: <83ioq1b91t.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87r44q7jvc.fsf@gmail.com> <83r44qaxi1.fsf@gnu.org> <53563868.3020900@gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 17309 Cc: jan.synacek@gmail.com, 17309@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) > From: Stefan Monnier > Cc: 17309@debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii > Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2014 10:40:43 -0400 > > Indeed, I think "iff" is perfectly fine in docstrings, but we should > refrain from using it in the Texinfo documentation. Besides Glossary, autotype.info and message.info are the only manuals that do, for the grand total of 3 (three) occurrences. So I'd say we follow our own advice quite well. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Apr 22 12:57:27 2014 Received: (at 17309) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Apr 2014 16:57:27 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55317 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Wce0c-0000nI-SC for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 22 Apr 2014 12:57:27 -0400 Received: from mtaout24.012.net.il ([80.179.55.180]:44017) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Wce0Z-0000n7-Uv for 17309@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 22 Apr 2014 12:57:24 -0400 Received: from conversion-daemon.mtaout24.012.net.il by mtaout24.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0N4F00I00YH24500@mtaout24.012.net.il> for 17309@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 22 Apr 2014 19:55:36 +0300 (IDT) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by mtaout24.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0N4F00JE6Z0O6110@mtaout24.012.net.il>; Tue, 22 Apr 2014 19:55:36 +0300 (IDT) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2014 19:57:16 +0300 From: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#17309: 24.4.50; Typos in autotype info In-reply-to: <87tx9l2xr3.fsf@geodiff-mac3.ulb.ac.be> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il To: Nicolas Richard Message-id: <83ha5lb8ur.fsf@gnu.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT References: <87r44q7jvc.fsf@gmail.com> <83r44qaxi1.fsf@gnu.org> <53563868.3020900@gmail.com> <8738h54duj.fsf@geodiff-mac3.ulb.ac.be> <87tx9l2xr3.fsf@geodiff-mac3.ulb.ac.be> X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 17309 Cc: theonewiththeevillook@yahoo.fr, 17309@debbugs.gnu.org, jan.synacek@gmail.com X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) > From: Nicolas Richard > Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2014 17:24:16 +0200 > Cc: Jan Synáček , > 17309@debbugs.gnu.org > > > I grepped for '\biff\b' and got: Gee, almost 25 uses in what, 10 thousand doc strings? 20? That's awful! (Thanks for the footwork, Nicolas.) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Apr 22 14:26:23 2014 Received: (at 17309) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Apr 2014 18:26:23 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55373 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WcfOh-0003gt-0C for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 22 Apr 2014 14:26:23 -0400 Received: from chene.dit.umontreal.ca ([132.204.246.20]:49788) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WcfOe-0003gj-VD for 17309@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 22 Apr 2014 14:26:21 -0400 Received: from pastel.home (lechon.iro.umontreal.ca [132.204.27.242]) by chene.dit.umontreal.ca (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id s3MIQIoS004694; Tue, 22 Apr 2014 14:26:19 -0400 Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id A4EFE600B8; Tue, 22 Apr 2014 14:26:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Stefan Monnier To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#17309: 24.4.50; Typos in autotype info Message-ID: References: <87r44q7jvc.fsf@gmail.com> <83r44qaxi1.fsf@gnu.org> <53563868.3020900@gmail.com> <83k3ahb9bu.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2014 14:26:18 -0400 In-Reply-To: <83k3ahb9bu.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Tue, 22 Apr 2014 19:47:01 +0300") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-NAI-Spam-Flag: NO X-NAI-Spam-Level: X-NAI-Spam-Threshold: 5 X-NAI-Spam-Score: 0.2 X-NAI-Spam-Rules: 2 Rules triggered GEN_SPAM_FEATRE=0.2, RV4920=0 X-NAI-Spam-Version: 2.3.0.9378 : core <4920> : inlines <755> : streams <1164721> : uri <1737690> X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 17309 Cc: Jan =?utf-8?B?U3luw6HEjWVr?= , 17309@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) > There's only one Glossary for all of the Emacs manuals. (Actually, > most of the manuals in doc/misc are just parts of the Emacs User > Manual that are kept separate to avoid bloating the volume and the > price of the printed manual book; they are not separate manuals.) Indeed, I think they shouldn't appear in the top-level dir file. Stefan From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Apr 22 14:35:31 2014 Received: (at 17309) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Apr 2014 18:35:31 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55378 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WcfXX-0003zw-5g for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 22 Apr 2014 14:35:31 -0400 Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:17710) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WcfXV-0003zi-95 for 17309@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 22 Apr 2014 14:35:29 -0400 Received: from acsinet22.oracle.com (acsinet22.oracle.com [141.146.126.238]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id s3MIZRuH007839 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 22 Apr 2014 18:35:28 GMT Received: from aserz7022.oracle.com (aserz7022.oracle.com [141.146.126.231]) by acsinet22.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id s3MIZPeF014847 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 22 Apr 2014 18:35:26 GMT Received: from abhmp0019.oracle.com (abhmp0019.oracle.com [141.146.116.25]) by aserz7022.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id s3MIZPrR014841; Tue, 22 Apr 2014 18:35:25 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <0fa34aec-08db-4f2e-b3b8-5c6e868dabeb@default> Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2014 11:35:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams To: Stefan Monnier , Eli Zaretskii Subject: RE: bug#17309: 24.4.50; Typos in autotype info References: <87r44q7jvc.fsf@gmail.com> <83r44qaxi1.fsf@gnu.org> <53563868.3020900@gmail.com> <83k3ahb9bu.fsf@gnu.org> In-Reply-To: X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.8 (707110) [OL 12.0.6691.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: acsinet22.oracle.com [141.146.126.238] X-Spam-Score: -3.0 (---) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 17309 Cc: =?iso-8859-1?B?SmFuIFN5buE/ZWs=?= , 17309@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.0 (---) > > There's only one Glossary for all of the Emacs manuals. (Actually, > > most of the manuals in doc/misc are just parts of the Emacs User > > Manual that are kept separate to avoid bloating the volume and the > > price of the printed manual book; they are not separate manuals.) >=20 > Indeed, I think they shouldn't appear in the top-level dir file. That sounds reasonable to me, providing they are linked to from the Emacs manual. IOW, there needs to be some way for a user to know about them and reach them. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Apr 22 15:44:32 2014 Received: (at 17309) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Apr 2014 19:44:32 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55410 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WcgcJ-00069q-SG for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 22 Apr 2014 15:44:32 -0400 Received: from pruche.dit.umontreal.ca ([132.204.246.22]:38777) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WcgcH-00069g-FO for 17309@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 22 Apr 2014 15:44:30 -0400 Received: from pastel.home (lechon.iro.umontreal.ca [132.204.27.242]) by pruche.dit.umontreal.ca (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id s3MJiRSx013066; Tue, 22 Apr 2014 15:44:28 -0400 Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 58C73600B8; Tue, 22 Apr 2014 15:44:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Stefan Monnier To: Drew Adams Subject: Re: bug#17309: 24.4.50; Typos in autotype info Message-ID: References: <87r44q7jvc.fsf@gmail.com> <83r44qaxi1.fsf@gnu.org> <53563868.3020900@gmail.com> <83k3ahb9bu.fsf@gnu.org> <0fa34aec-08db-4f2e-b3b8-5c6e868dabeb@default> Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2014 15:44:26 -0400 In-Reply-To: <0fa34aec-08db-4f2e-b3b8-5c6e868dabeb@default> (Drew Adams's message of "Tue, 22 Apr 2014 11:35:25 -0700 (PDT)") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-NAI-Spam-Flag: NO X-NAI-Spam-Level: X-NAI-Spam-Threshold: 5 X-NAI-Spam-Score: 0.2 X-NAI-Spam-Rules: 2 Rules triggered GEN_SPAM_FEATRE=0.2, RV4920=0 X-NAI-Spam-Version: 2.3.0.9378 : core <4920> : inlines <755> : streams <1164778> : uri <1737746> X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 17309 Cc: =?windows-1252?Q?Jan_Syn=E1=3Fek?= , Eli Zaretskii , 17309@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) > That sounds reasonable to me, providing they are linked to from the > Emacs manual. IOW, there needs to be some way for a user to know > about them and reach them. On the contrary, we should simply patch info.el so as to hide those entries and prevent the user from ever reaching those manuals. Stefan From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Apr 22 15:54:15 2014 Received: (at 17309) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Apr 2014 19:54:15 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55416 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Wcglj-0006Sk-50 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 22 Apr 2014 15:54:15 -0400 Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:30520) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Wcglh-0006SZ-DC for 17309@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 22 Apr 2014 15:54:13 -0400 Received: from ucsinet22.oracle.com (ucsinet22.oracle.com [156.151.31.94]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id s3MJsBkr014682 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 22 Apr 2014 19:54:11 GMT Received: from userz7021.oracle.com (userz7021.oracle.com [156.151.31.85]) by ucsinet22.oracle.com (8.14.5+Sun/8.14.5) with ESMTP id s3MJsA7L026322 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 22 Apr 2014 19:54:10 GMT Received: from abhmp0019.oracle.com (abhmp0019.oracle.com [141.146.116.25]) by userz7021.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id s3MJsAoU003663; Tue, 22 Apr 2014 19:54:10 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2014 12:54:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams To: Stefan Monnier Subject: RE: bug#17309: 24.4.50; Typos in autotype info References: <87r44q7jvc.fsf@gmail.com> <83r44qaxi1.fsf@gnu.org> <53563868.3020900@gmail.com> <83k3ahb9bu.fsf@gnu.org> <0fa34aec-08db-4f2e-b3b8-5c6e868dabeb@default> In-Reply-To: X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.8 (707110) [OL 12.0.6691.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: ucsinet22.oracle.com [156.151.31.94] X-Spam-Score: -3.0 (---) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 17309 Cc: =?iso-8859-1?B?SmFuIFN5buE/ZWs=?= , Eli Zaretskii , 17309@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.0 (---) > > That sounds reasonable to me, providing they are linked to from the > > Emacs manual. IOW, there needs to be some way for a user to know > > about them and reach them. >=20 > On the contrary, we should simply patch info.el so as to hide those > entries and prevent the user from ever reaching those manuals. Then I obviously misunderstood what manuals you are talking about. Sorry. I thought this was about manuals such as Ediff, which involve things that Emacs users use. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Apr 22 19:04:15 2014 Received: (at 17309) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Apr 2014 23:04:15 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55475 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WcjjU-0004ov-Uq for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 22 Apr 2014 19:04:15 -0400 Received: from pruche.dit.umontreal.ca ([132.204.246.22]:34518) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WcjjR-0004oi-Ir for 17309@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 22 Apr 2014 19:04:06 -0400 Received: from pastel.home (lechon.iro.umontreal.ca [132.204.27.242]) by pruche.dit.umontreal.ca (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id s3MN42HV023107; Tue, 22 Apr 2014 19:04:03 -0400 Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id B3529600D1; Tue, 22 Apr 2014 19:04:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Stefan Monnier To: Drew Adams Subject: Re: bug#17309: 24.4.50; Typos in autotype info Message-ID: References: <87r44q7jvc.fsf@gmail.com> <83r44qaxi1.fsf@gnu.org> <53563868.3020900@gmail.com> <83k3ahb9bu.fsf@gnu.org> <0fa34aec-08db-4f2e-b3b8-5c6e868dabeb@default> Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2014 19:04:02 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Drew Adams's message of "Tue, 22 Apr 2014 12:54:09 -0700 (PDT)") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-NAI-Spam-Flag: NO X-NAI-Spam-Level: X-NAI-Spam-Threshold: 5 X-NAI-Spam-Score: 0.2 X-NAI-Spam-Rules: 2 Rules triggered GEN_SPAM_FEATRE=0.2, RV4920=0 X-NAI-Spam-Version: 2.3.0.9378 : core <4920> : inlines <757> : streams <1164898> : uri <1737913> X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 17309 Cc: =?windows-1252?Q?Jan_Syn=E1=3Fek?= , Eli Zaretskii , 17309@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) > Then I obviously misunderstood what manuals you are talking about. > Sorry. I thought this was about manuals such as Ediff, which involve > things that Emacs users use. Yes, that's the kind of manuals I was talking about. Off with their heads! Stefan From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu May 01 19:56:50 2014 Received: (at 17309-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 May 2014 23:56:51 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47778 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Wg0qQ-0001VD-KQ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 01 May 2014 19:56:50 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:54281 ident=Debian-exim) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Wg0qN-0001V4-Hs for 17309-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 01 May 2014 19:56:48 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Wg0qM-0008A9-Kx; Thu, 01 May 2014 19:56:46 -0400 From: Glenn Morris To: 17309-done@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#17309: 24.4.50; Typos in autotype info References: <87r44q7jvc.fsf@gmail.com> <83r44qaxi1.fsf@gnu.org> <53563868.3020900@gmail.com> X-Spook: strategic nuclear [Hello to all my friends and fans in X-Ran: Vc4hC~:*1q4}N%4nA2|h_2G|7$%kFlNE/EQLv,yvw[{Q9}zVx6+\AApL4gPTXPt^%:W2^5 X-Hue: blue X-Debbugs-No-Ack: yes X-Attribution: GM Date: Thu, 01 May 2014 19:56:46 -0400 Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -5.7 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 17309-done X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.7 (-----) Version: 24.4 I replaced the "iffs". 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