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24.3; Inconsistent terminology

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From: Reuben Thomas <rrt <at> sc3d.org>
To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org
Subject: 24.3; Inconsistent terminology
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2014 13:47:08 +0100

In the C-h m help for dired is the line:

Type x to delete (eXecute) the files flagged `D'.

In dired-summary, it says “x-punge”

Would it be better to make this consistent?


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Message #8 received at 17276 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
To: Reuben Thomas <rrt <at> sc3d.org>
Cc: 17276 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#17276: 24.3; Inconsistent terminology
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2014 11:57:14 -0400

Reuben Thomas wrote:

> In the C-h m help for dired is the line:
>
> Type x to delete (eXecute) the files flagged `D'.
>
> In dired-summary, it says "x-punge"
>
> Would it be better to make this consistent?

Feel free to just fix such things without bug reports.

Message #11 received at 17276 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Reuben Thomas <rrt <at> sc3d.org>
To: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 17276 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#17276: 24.3; Inconsistent terminology
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2014 16:58:51 +0100

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On 29 April 2014 16:57, Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org> wrote:

> Reuben Thomas wrote:
>
> > In the C-h m help for dired is the line:
> >
> > Type x to delete (eXecute) the files flagged `D'.
> >
> > In dired-summary, it says "x-punge"
> >
> > Would it be better to make this consistent?
>
> Feel free to just fix such things without bug reports.
>

Will do; apologies, but I'm still trying to calibrate an appropriate
predicate for "such things".

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