From unknown Fri Aug 15 17:19:42 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#17263: 24.4.50; doc string of `backward-delete-char-untabify': active-region behavior Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2014 20:59:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 17263 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 17263@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.139742272525652 (code B ref -1); Sun, 13 Apr 2014 20:59:02 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Apr 2014 20:58:45 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47369 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WZRUC-0006fg-UK for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 13 Apr 2014 16:58:45 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:40910) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WZRU9-0006fN-Bn for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 13 Apr 2014 16:58:42 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WZRTt-0007it-RJ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 13 Apr 2014 16:58:36 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:37330) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WZRTt-0007in-Or for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 13 Apr 2014 16:58:25 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:42551) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WZRTk-0007hs-Sj for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 13 Apr 2014 16:58:25 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WZRTZ-0007aT-Ks for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 13 Apr 2014 16:58:16 -0400 Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:45234) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WZRTZ-0007Zy-Eg for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 13 Apr 2014 16:58:05 -0400 Received: from acsinet21.oracle.com (acsinet21.oracle.com [141.146.126.237]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id s3DKw254015280 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Sun, 13 Apr 2014 20:58:03 GMT Received: from aserz7021.oracle.com (aserz7021.oracle.com [141.146.126.230]) by acsinet21.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id s3DKw21t009902 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 13 Apr 2014 20:58:02 GMT Received: from abhmp0016.oracle.com (abhmp0016.oracle.com [141.146.116.22]) by aserz7021.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id s3DKw2n5009890 for ; Sun, 13 Apr 2014 20:58:02 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <7ec6335c-3cef-40e8-8bd3-dae5937f257a@default> Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2014 13:58:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.8 (707110) [OL 12.0.6691.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: acsinet21.oracle.com [141.146.126.237] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x-2.6.x [generic] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) The doc string should, like that of `backward-delete-char' (aka `delete-backward-char'), mention the behavior with `transient-mark-mode' and its dependence on `delete-active-region'. All commands that act differently when the region is active should have that behavior documented. This is one where the doc is insufficient; there may be others as well. In GNU Emacs 24.4.50.1 (i686-pc-mingw32) of 2014-04-08 on ODIEONE Bzr revision: 116956 dancol@dancol.org-20140408123940-knoyutxt4l8ws7qm Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 6.1.7601 Configured using: `configure --prefix=3D/c/Devel/emacs/snapshot/trunk --enable-checking=3Dyes,glyphs 'CFLAGS=3D-O0 -g3' LDFLAGS=3D-Lc:/Devel/emacs/lib 'CPPFLAGS=3D-DGC_MCHECK=3D1 -Ic:/Devel/emacs/include'' From unknown Fri Aug 15 17:19:42 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#17263: 24.4.50; doc string of `backward-delete-char-untabify': active-region behavior Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2016 19:56:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 17263 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Drew Adams Cc: 17263@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 17263-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B17263.146195971330267 (code B ref 17263); Fri, 29 Apr 2016 19:56:01 +0000 Received: (at 17263) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Apr 2016 19:55:13 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55850 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1awEVM-0007s7-PM for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 29 Apr 2016 15:55:12 -0400 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:48661) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1awEVK-0007rw-Cx for 17263@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 29 Apr 2016 15:55:10 -0400 Received: from cm-84.215.1.64.getinternet.no ([84.215.1.64] helo=mouse) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1awEVH-0001nM-Si; Fri, 29 Apr 2016 21:55:09 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen References: <7ec6335c-3cef-40e8-8bd3-dae5937f257a@default> Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2016 21:55:06 +0200 In-Reply-To: <7ec6335c-3cef-40e8-8bd3-dae5937f257a@default> (Drew Adams's message of "Sun, 13 Apr 2014 13:58:02 -0700 (PDT)") Message-ID: <87inz0w5ph.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) Drew Adams writes: > The doc string should, like that of `backward-delete-char' (aka > `delete-backward-char'), mention the behavior with `transient-mark-mode' > and its dependence on `delete-active-region'. Do you have a suggestion for a doc string? I don't know what that command does when there's an active region. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From unknown Fri Aug 15 17:19:42 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#17263: 24.4.50; doc string of `backward-delete-char-untabify': active-region behavior Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2016 21:57:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 17263 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Cc: 17263@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 17263-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B17263.14619670189064 (code B ref 17263); Fri, 29 Apr 2016 21:57:01 +0000 Received: (at 17263) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Apr 2016 21:56:58 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56024 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1awGPB-0002M8-UN for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 29 Apr 2016 17:56:58 -0400 Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:41770) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1awGPB-0002Lk-02 for 17263@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 29 Apr 2016 17:56:57 -0400 Received: from userv0022.oracle.com (userv0022.oracle.com [156.151.31.74]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id u3TLuohx022982 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 29 Apr 2016 21:56:51 GMT Received: from aserv0121.oracle.com (aserv0121.oracle.com [141.146.126.235]) by userv0022.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u3TLuouC000705 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 29 Apr 2016 21:56:50 GMT Received: from abhmp0001.oracle.com (abhmp0001.oracle.com [141.146.116.7]) by aserv0121.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u3TLumAi017342; Fri, 29 Apr 2016 21:56:49 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2016 14:56:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams References: <7ec6335c-3cef-40e8-8bd3-dae5937f257a@default> <87inz0w5ph.fsf@gnus.org> In-Reply-To: <87inz0w5ph.fsf@gnus.org> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9 (901082) [OL 12.0.6744.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: userv0022.oracle.com [156.151.31.74] X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > > The doc string should, like that of `backward-delete-char' (aka > > `delete-backward-char'), mention the behavior with `transient-mark-mode= ' > > and its dependence on `delete-active-region'. >=20 > Do you have a suggestion for a doc string? I don't know what that > command does when there's an active region. I think it is the same as for `backward-delete-char' wrt the deletion part. This is the text from `backward-delete-char' regarding the region: If Transient Mark mode is enabled, the mark is active, and N is 1, delete the text in the region and deactivate the mark instead. To disable this, set option `delete-active-region' to nil. From unknown Fri Aug 15 17:19:42 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#17263: 24.4.50; doc string of `backward-delete-char-untabify': active-region behavior Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2021 15:11:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 17263 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Drew Adams Cc: 17263@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 17263-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B17263.162627545310583 (code B ref 17263); Wed, 14 Jul 2021 15:11:02 +0000 Received: (at 17263) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Jul 2021 15:10:53 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45720 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1m3gXF-0002kd-AW for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 14 Jul 2021 11:10:53 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:44718) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1m3gXD-0002kL-1J for 17263@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 14 Jul 2021 11:10:51 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=0vBnnsM9sMSDA7sDu1mZ37MbCSWVYaYy7Bqlp8S+jw0=; b=m+Lrv9GTpEjHpruuwm1sDxy5W+ 7orpmOnkxW6O2XlSkF/QGBYsiwnXWv7IRKMliBlJL+Br0C3Rxq+2haEOq8t16ziLCUmciOy0l30sF nPohFDCqYAd6+wez3FR8ZS4dfmix0xDmShb+RGzaxICrqxOQNWHykDsDx3rJmIAEfcM0=; Received: from cm-84.212.220.105.getinternet.no ([84.212.220.105] helo=elva) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1m3gX4-0004r3-Ao; Wed, 14 Jul 2021 17:10:44 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen References: <7ec6335c-3cef-40e8-8bd3-dae5937f257a@default> <87inz0w5ph.fsf@gnus.org> X-Now-Playing: Nobukazu Takamura's _Music for the exhibition "Einheit"_: "(untitled)" Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2021 17:10:41 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Drew Adams's message of "Fri, 29 Apr 2016 14:56:47 -0700 (PDT)") Message-ID: <87o8b5gccu.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Drew Adams writes: > I think it is the same as for `backward-delete-char' wrt the > deletion part. This is the text from `backward-delete-char' > regarding the region: > > If Transient Mark mode is enabled, the mark is [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Drew Adams writes: > I think it is the same as for `backward-delete-char' wrt the > deletion part. This is the text from `backward-delete-char' > regarding the region: > > If Transient Mark mode is enabled, the mark is active, and N is 1, > delete the text in the region and deactivate the mark instead. > To disable this, set option `delete-active-region' to nil. 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