From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Mar 13 20:56:15 2014 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Mar 2014 00:56:15 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36262 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WOGQ2-0002Ti-Lm for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 13 Mar 2014 20:56:15 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:34982) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WOGPz-0002TX-E3 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 13 Mar 2014 20:56:12 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WOGPy-0003fo-35 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 13 Mar 2014 20:56:10 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,HTML_MESSAGE, T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]:60401) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WOGPy-0003fk-0L for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 13 Mar 2014 20:56:10 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:36702) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WOGPx-0006Kt-4X for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 13 Mar 2014 20:56:09 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WOGPw-0003fQ-C9 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 13 Mar 2014 20:56:09 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:35013) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WOGPw-0003fM-9O for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 13 Mar 2014 20:56:08 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:60857) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WOGPw-0000NB-2f for bug-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 13 Mar 2014 20:56:08 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WOGPv-0003fD-1k for bug-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 13 Mar 2014 20:56:07 -0400 Received: from mail-yh0-x22c.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4002:c01::22c]:50316) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WOGPu-0003f9-SR for bug-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 13 Mar 2014 20:56:06 -0400 Received: by mail-yh0-f44.google.com with SMTP id f10so1906264yha.31 for ; Thu, 13 Mar 2014 17:56:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sc3d.org; s=google; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=iQayNkQgFIEVbmxGeE/VT9IWX5lkIoZr177NO+gRL1E=; b=pYC/49Ao1f6Sfqchk09P+ziYyyXNKtm+2EszjuVbySFLr0Noes7jxaCppOYhZHIvOu 8tPYPnL89AcPGSZ11Q49oqtNKX+8ded37mMZXlxIYh/IXw2UGVOwqxMyUB2Z+uyChqOB gZVu3k3SGmmRZyIVQHrfzybgUCw87WxzWbY9s= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=iQayNkQgFIEVbmxGeE/VT9IWX5lkIoZr177NO+gRL1E=; b=k/ZqNdEph0oYkQldZa6f+jgeIeClcVBAkx8X19MFOdFLq7sqfBNbkuth/cOjA5u2v4 ix+StzVxSoQIvPEgYhCJnPboczIoqsQnICXWeejNMn8js52VBDeccWxzy0+ftYBglk2D RqwC17aVz+pZ6aV0wHQLgJNB5O/FT7SBvYhO72Y7HrDVoCx3FHlByeVX+/uZBP0jdcIm ObJTjqHtcrfrZYHlYfet467Qcf2hSvUaD+o5a4aqa0o30GJx+GHbtXGmOVAWzxelvxld JLlfEhtXKbNru17rwGEMJxqsFqK4nYPgHDN3bUgrhkVYd3caPmY06S1ZKEfeHHlbh0kP N2eg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQm53F4iChMyTHXB0BJpeDFN0JcB5FuRTXw+1qJJl2XHVNU68Y2RZP1syvMBHNrmlSeHPbBS MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.236.122.173 with SMTP id t33mr6650253yhh.117.1394758566066; Thu, 13 Mar 2014 17:56:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.170.137.66 with HTTP; Thu, 13 Mar 2014 17:56:06 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2014 00:56:06 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Please add a hook to visual-line-mode From: Reuben Thomas To: bug-emacs Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf3011e35fe0d2c404f48688ae X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 208.118.235.17 X-Spam-Score: -4.1 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -4.1 (----) --20cf3011e35fe0d2c404f48688ae Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 It would be nice to be able to activate window-margin-mode when visual-line-mode is turned on: https://github.com/aculich/window-margin.el -- http://rrt.sc3d.org --20cf3011e35fe0d2c404f48688ae Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
It would be nice to be able to activate window-margin-mode when visual-line-mode is turned on:

https://github.com/aculich/window-margin.el
--20cf3011e35fe0d2c404f48688ae-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Mar 14 03:50:26 2014 Received: (at 17009) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Mar 2014 07:50:27 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36428 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WOMsr-0006ET-Ft for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 14 Mar 2014 03:50:25 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:40957) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WOMsp-0006EL-1E for 17009@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 14 Mar 2014 03:50:23 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WOMsm-0003MA-UE; Fri, 14 Mar 2014 03:50:20 -0400 From: Glenn Morris To: Reuben Thomas Subject: Re: bug#17009: Please add a hook to visual-line-mode References: X-Spook: analyzer AVIP Jiang Zemin South Africa rs9512c high X-Ran: \2P3-Jrw6HHNNnu<@f|vTC0s.OAC4BN]-^=4w:rNLVz\,9]I;s^K^_sR,.$6ihF2::/PK@ X-Hue: yellow X-Debbugs-No-Ack: yes X-Attribution: GM Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2014 03:50:20 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Reuben Thomas's message of "Fri, 14 Mar 2014 00:56:06 +0000") Message-ID: <01zjktrzgj.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 17009 Cc: 17009@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) Modes defined with define-minor-mode have hooks. C-h v visual-line-mode-hook visual-line-mode-hook is a variable defined in `simple.el'. Its value is (visual-line-mode-set-explicitly) This variable may be risky if used as a file-local variable. Documentation: Hook run after entering or leaving `visual-line-mode'. No problems result if this variable is not bound. `add-hook' automatically binds it. (This is true for all hook variables.) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Mar 14 08:17:59 2014 Received: (at 17009) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Mar 2014 12:17:59 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36532 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WOR3n-0006x8-6x for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 14 Mar 2014 08:17:59 -0400 Received: from mail-yk0-f172.google.com ([209.85.160.172]:41026) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WOR3l-0006x0-Bp for 17009@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 14 Mar 2014 08:17:58 -0400 Received: by mail-yk0-f172.google.com with SMTP id 200so6422483ykr.3 for <17009@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 14 Mar 2014 05:17:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sc3d.org; s=google; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=NrAQ+OFDuuCAGDxsGDhVeYqWSmFWyl36y2yP5Q/bMtg=; b=ejnDK3wMS72wxmar0d4+AHr56yfFNR/xgXwtsL1mjvV8BzTWrb5pgpVgZIGFXxmWs7 Sj+PsjT70i6UpZ/ZnuPnttA38WYzrMmc2yevK0ngkKkVTPhZvnaMI9KLx3gS12b4GqrO IOIkwRxsViQCayr4z8dFdbcxzMZfjxzBeCSrU= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=NrAQ+OFDuuCAGDxsGDhVeYqWSmFWyl36y2yP5Q/bMtg=; b=QHyKm/HceNz3QnQvOHc71F/Y9O21gFu1dxTeZcbPzSq0nHHJbEnbmvDrzw0te/BXSK GdMUAp2Wl8/KahNkA7GlcMX8yKcerKiKRJh0E1cpq2rLftnVADHNL8Xqyl3Y+vMNVNGx wm3phNmL6l/vPcY+N89cu7wXhcUTGsYPKZXQ3pazqLJNSH/ctNDtDztD0Kbxsqajw1nQ 7+/BWPQAHs08zacNCRZ9n5pZkxvwuggCl59SiIZZRKgyBKXPjcBa+Ig8FDWgG3ttQiLo gzEOEHT8qDEyKaftUN7xD2Xea4eK/cnui6dmzYhvnHFzDFwovo8cnCS9J2BF7Z+8joF6 D1PQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlClQVN608f2Bq+2NcUxbr29HxP7BJUtbP9GzCXODrQpTr3ty7ySX1mqo6CTxJJq+gORyBv MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.236.17.34 with SMTP id i22mr2254199yhi.110.1394799476857; Fri, 14 Mar 2014 05:17:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.170.137.66 with HTTP; Fri, 14 Mar 2014 05:17:56 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <01zjktrzgj.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> References: <01zjktrzgj.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2014 12:17:56 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#17009: Please add a hook to visual-line-mode From: Reuben Thomas To: Glenn Morris Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e01634ef459f43d04f4900f95 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 17009 Cc: 17009@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) --089e01634ef459f43d04f4900f95 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On 14 March 2014 07:50, Glenn Morris wrote: > > Modes defined with define-minor-mode have hooks. > > C-h v visual-line-mode-hook > > visual-line-mode-hook is a variable defined in `simple.el'. > Its value is (visual-line-mode-set-explicitly) > > This variable may be risky if used as a file-local variable. > > Documentation: > Hook run after entering or leaving `visual-line-mode'. > No problems result if this variable is not bound. > `add-hook' automatically binds it. (This is true for all hook > variables.) > Great! Is this new in 24.4, because this doesn't work for me? -- http://rrt.sc3d.org --089e01634ef459f43d04f4900f95 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On 1= 4 March 2014 07:50, Glenn Morris <rgm@gnu.org> wrote:

Modes defined with define-minor-mode have hooks.

C-h v visual-line-mode-hook

=A0 =A0 visual-line-mode-hook is a variable defined in `simple.el'.
=A0 =A0 Its value is (visual-line-mode-set-explicitly)

=A0 =A0 This variable may be risky if used as a file-local variable.

=A0 =A0 Documentation:
=A0 =A0 Hook run after entering or leaving `visual-line-mode'.
=A0 =A0 No problems result if this variable is not bound.
=A0 =A0 `add-hook' automatically binds it. =A0(This is true for all hoo= k
=A0 =A0 variables.)

Great! Is this new = in 24.4, because this doesn't work for me?

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--089e01634ef459f43d04f4900f95-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Mar 14 09:39:28 2014 Received: (at 17009) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Mar 2014 13:39:28 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36611 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WOSKd-00010U-E5 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 14 Mar 2014 09:39:27 -0400 Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.181]:63848) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WOSKR-000104-TH for 17009@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 14 Mar 2014 09:39:23 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av4EABK/CFFMCppy/2dsb2JhbABEvw4Xc4IeAQEEAVYjBQsLDiYSFBgNJIgeBsEtkQoDpHqBXoMT X-IPAS-Result: Av4EABK/CFFMCppy/2dsb2JhbABEvw4Xc4IeAQEEAVYjBQsLDiYSFBgNJIgeBsEtkQoDpHqBXoMT X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.84,565,1355115600"; d="scan'208";a="52069006" Received: from 76-10-154-114.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO fmsmemgm.homelinux.net) ([76.10.154.114]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP/TLS/ADH-AES256-SHA; 14 Mar 2014 09:39:15 -0400 Received: by fmsmemgm.homelinux.net (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 40BC9AE1F9; Fri, 14 Mar 2014 09:39:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Stefan Monnier To: Reuben Thomas Subject: Re: bug#17009: Please add a hook to visual-line-mode Message-ID: References: <01zjktrzgj.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2014 09:39:15 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Reuben Thomas's message of "Fri, 14 Mar 2014 12:17:56 +0000") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 17009 Cc: Glenn Morris , 17009@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) > Great! Is this new in 24.4, because this doesn't work for me? No, it's been there from the very beginning. What do you mean by "doesn't work"? Stfean From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Mar 14 09:48:34 2014 Received: (at 17009) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Mar 2014 13:48:34 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36622 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WOSTR-0001Hl-OM for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 14 Mar 2014 09:48:34 -0400 Received: from mail-yk0-f178.google.com ([209.85.160.178]:43867) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WOSTM-0001HY-Hw for 17009@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 14 Mar 2014 09:48:32 -0400 Received: by mail-yk0-f178.google.com with SMTP id 79so6711800ykr.9 for <17009@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 14 Mar 2014 06:48:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sc3d.org; s=google; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=bhHwmoBf8X9VySxKFAaU+vBd7HKPirOKIHZiiVSFSHk=; b=Y0hnmSr8H+IJsQyH139hTwcEU59dta5OvH+KO0OWkhvCCAs4ErpjUrwhRNnXIVPOWl jfFH9/DA4E23iEVXhmB7LJbgE1kcduCPforasYyIKXznSrXYMBGl2kzEHSwChNAzROx8 YKfTEpjXlUy7Ei58rC3/m15W81SzY3w3324xg= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=bhHwmoBf8X9VySxKFAaU+vBd7HKPirOKIHZiiVSFSHk=; b=X6hE/VGB7J75/kOL4Za89p2r/32lGPSrDy5Vuz9JP73ZX5SNaxT04woqHUDbAETFae 3hrizaPku0pWxpR4wyNyejyp2ye+ITctvi2eQ4IGBvYXNaFlKDjgM/l/VPM6MUdQSIF2 aGz+njh3Bo8rSi0pHYOMxiGrvslZlVV5Fuvo2/CaBv/q7vOT9at22uJmSy2MYepYONa/ k7AmZc93D+Qzy7ZMi20u75en7edHasjJ6LPj5T2VFXLNfEsJCowWUnOMyaEYy2yjnolZ rS9JYZncCb9Tw6eUGyfQDs8B2PG0K1M146aT69WCpBdSAuMVhR+9vX6STyZfLPAzhXkD OIWw== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkStvhAmY6c0KpWm26JdHyqSyEl9mehfbR4Xy0/BAhh6T4chDw/wtblZLhmo4SVfLDM06dH MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.236.162.65 with SMTP id x41mr10483894yhk.25.1394804907584; Fri, 14 Mar 2014 06:48:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.170.137.66 with HTTP; Fri, 14 Mar 2014 06:48:27 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <01zjktrzgj.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2014 13:48:27 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#17009: Please add a hook to visual-line-mode From: Reuben Thomas To: Stefan Monnier Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf3040e3b20c460f04f49153df X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 17009 Cc: Glenn Morris , 17009@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) --20cf3040e3b20c460f04f49153df Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On 14 March 2014 13:39, Stefan Monnier wrote: > > Great! Is this new in 24.4, because this doesn't work for me? > > No, it's been there from the very beginning. What do you mean by > "doesn't work"? > C-h v visual-line-mode-hook [No match] So this is a hook that magically comes into existence if I assign to it: having done so, C-h v now works. This is all rather confusing; thanks for straightening me out. -- http://rrt.sc3d.org --20cf3040e3b20c460f04f49153df Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On 1= 4 March 2014 13:39, Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>= ; wrote:
> Great! Is this new in 2= 4.4, because this doesn't work for me?

No, it's been there from the very beginning. =A0What do you mean = by
"doesn't work"?

C-h v vis= ual-line-mode-hook [No match]

So this is a = hook that magically comes into existence if I assign to it: having done so,= C-h v now works.

This is all rather confusing; thanks for straightening me out.

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[212.31.107.118]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id q44sm17505190eez.1.2014.03.14.07.28.35 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 14 Mar 2014 07:28:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Dmitry Gutov To: Reuben Thomas Subject: Re: bug#17009: Please add a hook to visual-line-mode References: <01zjktrzgj.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2014 16:28:30 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Reuben Thomas's message of "Fri, 14 Mar 2014 13:48:27 +0000") Message-ID: <87zjkslur5.fsf@yandex.ru> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 17009 Cc: 17009@debbugs.gnu.org, Stefan Monnier X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) Reuben Thomas writes: > So this is a hook that magically comes into existence if I assign to it: > having done so, C-h v now works. That's true of all hooks: a hook variable doesn't have to be defined for `add-hook' or `run-hooks' to work. Of course, the latter won't do anything in that case. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Mar 14 11:56:00 2014 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Mar 2014 15:56:00 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36963 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WOUSl-00057p-EA for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 14 Mar 2014 11:55:59 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:39851) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WOUSj-00057h-Uj for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 14 Mar 2014 11:55:58 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WOUSi-0000FY-Lg for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 14 Mar 2014 11:55:56 -0400 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2014 11:55:56 -0400 Message-Id: Subject: control message for bug 17009 To: X-Mailer: mail (GNU Mailutils 2.1) From: Glenn Morris X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) close 17009 23.1 From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Mar 14 12:49:16 2014 Received: (at 17009) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Mar 2014 16:49:16 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37019 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WOVIK-0007rH-4w for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 14 Mar 2014 12:49:16 -0400 Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.181]:5579) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WOVIG-0007r4-KU for 17009@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 14 Mar 2014 12:49:13 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Al8FABK/CFFMCpZ3/2dsb2JhbABEj0SvShdzgh4BAQQBViMFCwsOJhIUGA0kiB4GwS2RCgOOGJZigV6DEw X-IPAS-Result: Al8FABK/CFFMCpZ3/2dsb2JhbABEj0SvShdzgh4BAQQBViMFCwsOJhIUGA0kiB4GwS2RCgOOGJZigV6DEw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.84,565,1355115600"; d="scan'208";a="52113992" Received: from 76-10-150-119.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([76.10.150.119]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP/TLS/ADH-AES256-SHA; 14 Mar 2014 12:49:11 -0400 Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 33A7660472; Fri, 14 Mar 2014 12:49:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Stefan To: Reuben Thomas Subject: Re: bug#17009: Please add a hook to visual-line-mode Message-ID: References: <01zjktrzgj.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2014 12:49:11 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Reuben Thomas's message of "Fri, 14 Mar 2014 13:48:27 +0000") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 17009 Cc: Glenn Morris , 17009@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) > C-h v visual-line-mode-hook [No match] Who cares? Use it anyway: it will work. Quoting the message Glenn send you earlier: > No problems result if this variable is not bound. > `add-hook' automatically binds it. (This is true for all hook > variables.) -- Stefan From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Mar 14 13:00:45 2014 Received: (at 17009) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Mar 2014 17:00:45 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37033 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WOVTP-0008Fl-CE for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 14 Mar 2014 13:00:44 -0400 Received: from mail-yk0-f171.google.com ([209.85.160.171]:46540) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WOVTK-0008FV-4T for 17009@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 14 Mar 2014 13:00:39 -0400 Received: by mail-yk0-f171.google.com with SMTP id q9so7377665ykb.2 for <17009@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 14 Mar 2014 10:00:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sc3d.org; s=google; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=5nzhQzhRfgK+QqVK0A6IOU6de23YC4MgZv3aNzyNFEo=; b=e+wcDy0X9EVroKp5GJ1QP0mgmbfQNbnp3lWdF8RKaYT+EBCXKTSF26pRfyHo2P/70L EkGaY10OT96fdgX1J6+ruwyoq//avntLSd3nBPoxEhBPQa8tw3bnRTBb0k5ST/QC/CCf FG3F796MJ+5oP2BDTpSvSyUXye/O8BAC7cAbg= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=5nzhQzhRfgK+QqVK0A6IOU6de23YC4MgZv3aNzyNFEo=; b=EiHCivPLGC5oecO7MOp5+xvSy033hiGyV2hgwDj12Ojoc8CYBNE/wpAc0mfec/u5mI Capisja7SweZxGxTC5V7ysOXoHSzxTvzgwbUG9tpDVJsIVuYsfZLBBiCEs9jBMsRT1WL c33jEFKH3wgsRpSqB11IoTg8UBNtOtl7/HCxI/wd2XlIpaJLCIwjzNIkfCBgWTCyHcFR OM6/Jl4HZXIuxHSok1K5eK9z8jOWAyMAIQ/iLfnYqX43+cK2eTJ3AtwSMeCRaGFyyMYw QF4EIw1PNOjVeXr/RGMa75p3iS8GDvGwLaAUNfRZAD850a2Dhfh3ez9ULiyjCi0oDE1Y sK0w== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQniLWAgRTjxZce6M3RGOoEf9rcf9XX5xpn81dp0i9uM0S1B3dNkXSs2tx7FYZyD0u/LKp84 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.236.130.51 with SMTP id j39mr3720381yhi.125.1394816436950; Fri, 14 Mar 2014 10:00:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.170.137.66 with HTTP; Fri, 14 Mar 2014 10:00:36 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <01zjktrzgj.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2014 17:00:36 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#17009: Please add a hook to visual-line-mode From: Reuben Thomas To: Stefan Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf3010e605406b5004f49402a2 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 17009 Cc: Glenn Morris , 17009@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) --20cf3010e605406b5004f49402a2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On 14 March 2014 16:49, Stefan wrote: > > C-h v visual-line-mode-hook [No match] > > Who cares? Use it anyway: it will work. > Even from a careful reading of the documentation, it's not obvious that the variable not being bound means that its documentation will not be available: it's reasonable to think that C-h v not working means that something is wrong. Sure, it works, but discoverability is not great. -- http://rrt.sc3d.org --20cf3010e605406b5004f49402a2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On 1= 4 March 2014 16:49, Stefan <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>= wrote:
> C-h v visual-line-mode-= hook [No match]

Who cares? =A0Use it anyway: it will work.

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Even from a careful reading of the documentation, it's not ob= vious that the variable not being bound means that its documentation will n= ot be available: it's reasonable to think that C-h v not working means = that something is wrong. Sure, it works, but discoverability is not great.<= br>

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--20cf3010e605406b5004f49402a2-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Mar 14 13:12:55 2014 Received: (at 17009) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Mar 2014 17:12:55 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37038 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WOVfD-0000Bu-3y for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 14 Mar 2014 13:12:55 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:45135) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WOVfA-0000Bk-Gc for 17009@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 14 Mar 2014 13:12:52 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WOVf9-0005p2-KK; Fri, 14 Mar 2014 13:12:51 -0400 From: Glenn Morris To: Reuben Thomas Subject: Re: bug#17009: Please add a hook to visual-line-mode References: <01zjktrzgj.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> X-Spook: AUTODIN Telex Blowfish eternity server SAPO M-14 X-Ran: 2+D0Xn(rU:=G.txj=pVkgli=7-P3_sKdTIV;o.gx"SY0lqb"-B_"d+[K*0c|DjG?67?GIP X-Hue: yellow X-Debbugs-No-Ack: yes X-Attribution: GM Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2014 13:12:51 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Reuben Thomas's message of "Fri, 14 Mar 2014 17:00:36 +0000") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 17009 Cc: 17009@debbugs.gnu.org, Stefan X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) Reuben Thomas wrote: > Even from a careful reading of the documentation, it's not obvious that the > variable not being bound means that its documentation will not be > available: it's reasonable to think that C-h v not working means that > something is wrong. Sure, it works, but discoverability is not great. That's the part that will be different in 24.4. 2013-05-27 Stefan Monnier * emacs-lisp/easy-mmode.el (define-minor-mode): * emacs-lisp/derived.el (define-derived-mode): Always defvar the mode hook and provide a docstring. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Mar 26 09:48:51 2014 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Mar 2014 13:48:51 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50188 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WSoCJ-0005E1-5P for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 26 Mar 2014 09:48:51 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:46078) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WSoCF-0005Ds-Vo for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 26 Mar 2014 09:48:48 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WSoCA-0005Ll-07 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 26 Mar 2014 09:48:47 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_05,FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]:45537) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WSoC9-0005Lh-TN for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 26 Mar 2014 09:48:41 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:47785) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WSoC4-0003Nw-Gz for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 26 Mar 2014 09:48:41 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WSoBz-0005HV-E1 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 26 Mar 2014 09:48:36 -0400 Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:52208) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WSoBz-0005HI-6z for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 26 Mar 2014 09:48:31 -0400 Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1WSoBu-0008FC-L7 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 26 Mar 2014 14:48:26 +0100 Received: from 70-59-41-30.hlrn.qwest.net ([70.59.41.30]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 2014 14:48:26 +0100 Received: from kevin.d.rodgers by 70-59-41-30.hlrn.qwest.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 2014 14:48:26 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org From: Kevin Rodgers Subject: Re: bug#17009: Please add a hook to visual-line-mode Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2014 07:49:03 -0600 Lines: 24 Message-ID: References: <01zjktrzgj.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 70-59-41-30.hlrn.qwest.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.4; en-US; rv:1.9.2.28) Gecko/20120306 Thunderbird/3.1.20 In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 208.118.235.17 X-Spam-Score: -4.1 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -4.1 (----) On 3/14/14 11:12 AM, Glenn Morris wrote: > Reuben Thomas wrote: > >> Even from a careful reading of the documentation, it's not obvious that the >> variable not being bound means that its documentation will not be >> available: it's reasonable to think that C-h v not working means that >> something is wrong. Sure, it works, but discoverability is not great. > > That's the part that will be different in 24.4. > > > 2013-05-27 Stefan Monnier > > * emacs-lisp/easy-mmode.el (define-minor-mode): > * emacs-lisp/derived.el (define-derived-mode): Always defvar > the mode hook and provide a docstring. :-) http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/help-gnu-emacs/2008-03/msg00136.html -- Kevin Rodgers Denver, Colorado, USA From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Mar 26 10:21:32 2014 Received: (at 17009) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Mar 2014 14:21:32 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51005 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WSohv-0006H2-14 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 26 Mar 2014 10:21:31 -0400 Received: from pruche.dit.umontreal.ca ([132.204.246.22]:52351) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WSohs-0006Gu-Ml for 17009@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 26 Mar 2014 10:21:29 -0400 Received: from pastel.home (lechon.iro.umontreal.ca [132.204.27.242]) by pruche.dit.umontreal.ca (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id s2QELRO4023757; Wed, 26 Mar 2014 10:21:27 -0400 Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 11B21608E5; Wed, 26 Mar 2014 10:21:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Stefan Monnier To: Kevin Rodgers Subject: Re: bug#17009: Please add a hook to visual-line-mode Message-ID: References: <01zjktrzgj.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2014 10:21:26 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Kevin Rodgers's message of "Wed, 26 Mar 2014 07:49:03 -0600") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-NAI-Spam-Flag: NO X-NAI-Spam-Level: ** X-NAI-Spam-Threshold: 5 X-NAI-Spam-Score: 2.9 X-NAI-Spam-Rules: 11 Rules triggered SORT_LNK_1HTP_CTPLN_W_SLS_HPL=1, SLS_HPL=0.5, GEN_SPAM_FEATRE=0.2, HTM_SHRT_PTR=0.2, SHORT_1HTTP_HTML=0.2, SHORT_1HTTP_HTML_W_HTM_SHRT_PTR=0.2, SORT_LNK_1HTP_CTPLN=0.2, SORT_LNK_1HTP_CTPLN_W_GEN_SPAM_FEATRE=0.2, GEN_SPAM_FEATRE_W_SHORT_1HTTP_HTML=0.1, SHORT_1HTTP_HTML_W_HAS_HTML_TAG=0.1, RV4893=0 X-NAI-Spam-Version: 2.3.0.9362 : core <4893> : inlines <647> : streams <1144988> : uri <1710542> X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 17009 Cc: 17009@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/help-gnu-emacs/2008-03/msg00136.html Oh, yes, I know, this is a very long standing issue, both with define-derived-mode and define-minor-mode. 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