From unknown Tue Jun 17 20:19:54 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#16813 <16813@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#16813 <16813@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: 24.3.50; `package--initialized' Reply-To: bug#16813 <16813@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2025 03:19:54 +0000 retitle 16813 24.3.50; `package--initialized' reassign 16813 emacs submitter 16813 Drew Adams severity 16813 wishlist tag 16813 wontfix thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Feb 19 14:10:49 2014 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Feb 2014 19:10:49 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60590 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WGCXg-0005i7-0A for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 19 Feb 2014 14:10:48 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:60862) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WGCXd-0005hk-3K for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 19 Feb 2014 14:10:45 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WGCXN-0002tL-UO for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 19 Feb 2014 14:10:40 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:37924) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WGCXN-0002tH-LS for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 19 Feb 2014 14:10:29 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:34175) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WGCXE-0006Sc-Pl for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Feb 2014 14:10:29 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WGCX2-0002gb-Qb for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Feb 2014 14:10:20 -0500 Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:38219) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WGCX2-0002dp-Hj for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Feb 2014 14:10:08 -0500 Received: from acsinet21.oracle.com (acsinet21.oracle.com [141.146.126.237]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id s1JJA6an019188 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Wed, 19 Feb 2014 19:10:07 GMT Received: from userz7021.oracle.com (userz7021.oracle.com [156.151.31.85]) by acsinet21.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id s1JJA52E015963 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 19 Feb 2014 19:10:05 GMT Received: from abhmp0010.oracle.com (abhmp0010.oracle.com [141.146.116.16]) by userz7021.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id s1JJA4dZ020862 for ; Wed, 19 Feb 2014 19:10:05 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <0523e9fe-a6ce-4fc0-838f-b2707494d475@default> Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 11:10:04 -0800 (PST) From: Drew Adams To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 24.3.50; `package--initialized' X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.8 (707110) [OL 12.0.6680.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: acsinet21.oracle.com [141.146.126.237] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x-2.6.x [generic] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) ..should not be considered internal. Should be documented. It is reasonable to use this function in a check, before trying to use things from package.el. Look at `describe-package' for an example. There is no reason to assume that package.el is the only code that can make use of such a check. In GNU Emacs 24.3.50.1 (i686-pc-mingw32) of 2014-02-11 on ODIEONE Bzr revision: 116410 lekktu@gmail.com-20140211204823-l9l2s6tktfitq266 Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 6.1.7601 Configured using: `configure --prefix=3D/c/Devel/emacs/binary --enable-checking=3Dyes,glyphs 'CFLAGS=3D-O0 -g3' LDFLAGS=3D-Lc:/Devel/emacs/lib CPPFLAGS=3D-Ic:/Devel/emacs/include' From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Apr 29 13:33:19 2016 Received: (at 16813) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Apr 2016 17:33:19 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55666 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1awCI3-0007yq-54 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 29 Apr 2016 13:33:19 -0400 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:47168) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1awCI1-0007yi-Dc for 16813@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 29 Apr 2016 13:33:17 -0400 Received: from cm-84.215.1.64.getinternet.no ([84.215.1.64] helo=mouse) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1awCHy-00008C-Gx; Fri, 29 Apr 2016 19:33:16 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Drew Adams Subject: Re: bug#16813: 24.3.50; `package--initialized' References: <0523e9fe-a6ce-4fc0-838f-b2707494d475@default> Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2016 19:33:14 +0200 In-Reply-To: <0523e9fe-a6ce-4fc0-838f-b2707494d475@default> (Drew Adams's message of "Wed, 19 Feb 2014 11:10:04 -0800 (PST)") Message-ID: <87bn4sz5et.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 16813 Cc: 16813@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) Drew Adams writes: > ..should not be considered internal. Should be documented. > > It is reasonable to use this function in a check, before trying to use > things from package.el. Look at `describe-package' for an example. `describe-package' is in package.el. Seems internal to me. Closing. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Apr 29 13:33:26 2016 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Apr 2016 17:33:26 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55669 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1awCIA-0007zA-BY for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 29 Apr 2016 13:33:26 -0400 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:47180) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1awCI8-0007z1-9F for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 29 Apr 2016 13:33:24 -0400 Received: from cm-84.215.1.64.getinternet.no ([84.215.1.64] helo=mouse) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1awCI6-00008V-6C for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 29 Apr 2016 19:33:23 +0200 Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2016 19:33:21 +0200 Message-Id: <87a8kcz5em.fsf@gnus.org> To: control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: control message for bug #16813 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) tags 16813 wontfix close 16813 From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Apr 29 14:35:36 2016 Received: (at 16813) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Apr 2016 18:35:36 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55787 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1awDGK-0004Nk-JA for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 29 Apr 2016 14:35:36 -0400 Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:50016) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1awDGJ-0004NX-1v for 16813@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 29 Apr 2016 14:35:35 -0400 Received: from userv0022.oracle.com (userv0022.oracle.com [156.151.31.74]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id u3TIZT10004193 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 29 Apr 2016 18:35:29 GMT Received: from userv0122.oracle.com (userv0122.oracle.com [156.151.31.75]) by userv0022.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u3TIZTdj015662 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 29 Apr 2016 18:35:29 GMT Received: from abhmp0001.oracle.com (abhmp0001.oracle.com [141.146.116.7]) by userv0122.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id u3TIZShh002632; Fri, 29 Apr 2016 18:35:28 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <3d7cc4cd-6729-4464-ac1a-1ee1719b3b81@default> Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2016 11:35:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: RE: bug#16813: 24.3.50; `package--initialized' References: <0523e9fe-a6ce-4fc0-838f-b2707494d475@default> <87bn4sz5et.fsf@gnus.org> In-Reply-To: <87bn4sz5et.fsf@gnus.org> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9 (901082) [OL 12.0.6744.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: userv0022.oracle.com [156.151.31.74] X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 16813 Cc: 16813@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > > ..should not be considered internal. Should be documented. > > > > It is reasonable to use this function in a check, before trying to use > > things from package.el. Look at `describe-package' for an example. >=20 > `describe-package' is in package.el. Seems internal to me. Closing. As the report says: There is no reason to assume that package.el is the only code that can make use of such a check. I gave a reason why this should not be considered internal (use cases). What's the reason you give why it should be internal? "Seems internal to me." That's not a reason. From unknown Tue Jun 17 20:19:54 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Sat, 28 May 2016 11:24:05 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator