From unknown Mon Jun 23 06:01:16 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#16735: Not very useful "Keywords:" headers in some elpa packages Resent-From: Glenn Morris Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 02:06:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 16735 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 16735@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: submit@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.13922571424008 (code B ref -1); Thu, 13 Feb 2014 02:06:01 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Feb 2014 02:05:42 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49747 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WDlgL-00012Z-Lm for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 12 Feb 2014 21:05:42 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:56404 ident=Debian-exim) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WDlgJ-00012R-5t for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 12 Feb 2014 21:05:39 -0500 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WDlgI-0003BO-9E; Wed, 12 Feb 2014 21:05:38 -0500 From: Glenn Morris X-Spook: SWAT Elvis cryptographic S Box Bruxelles Glock Cocaine X-Ran: qu{xT_YF6Xy2onaT5I&fYc{_Zo~3A_"X^HD>U3-d, User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -5.7 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.7 (-----) Package: emacs Severity: minor Some elpa.gnu.org packages seem not to understand what the Keywords: header is for. Eg coffee-mode uses "coffeescript", "major", and "mode". None of these are standard, none of these are shared with a single other package. sml-mode uses just "sml". This header should contain relevant entry(ies) from finder-known-keywords. From unknown Mon Jun 23 06:01:16 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#16735: Not very useful "Keywords:" headers in some elpa packages Resent-From: Ted Zlatanov Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 14:09:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 16735 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Glenn Morris Cc: 16735@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 16735-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B16735.139230053018641 (code B ref 16735); Thu, 13 Feb 2014 14:09:01 +0000 Received: (at 16735) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Feb 2014 14:08:50 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50171 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WDwy9-0004qa-9d for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 13 Feb 2014 09:08:49 -0500 Received: from mail-qc0-f173.google.com ([209.85.216.173]:60464) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WDwy4-0004qI-GZ for 16735@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 13 Feb 2014 09:08:48 -0500 Received: by mail-qc0-f173.google.com with SMTP id i8so17966250qcq.32 for <16735@debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 13 Feb 2014 06:08:39 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=lifelogs.com; s=google; h=from:to:cc:subject:organization:references:mail-copies-to :gmane-reply-to-list:date:in-reply-to:message-id:user-agent :mime-version:content-type; bh=2zQB0pnfh9JvgH65/g2xC74xMoCBmN8shPhTRJ81osg=; b=J/ZOIPRI+qg/uqoZ3TGB1gCEZLuJP0RRPtDbvQb7Vxjh3BtM7jpY+RuPYlUM8GedeV oCex6lZ8UwWG5+r+YxXBAAsVaMZru2P2EZU1cu1WWXntRwT3PKr4OQ/bD+gpFFLWKhzi nEogaRGaWPIJJ+AY3QOjp5W/iCeO1rJoOQcLc= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:organization:references :mail-copies-to:gmane-reply-to-list:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=2zQB0pnfh9JvgH65/g2xC74xMoCBmN8shPhTRJ81osg=; b=DCad1PIfIVVxnEGpaanoQCOzAqYQyNr6o++nm9+6rCFBKuBpAbEWZhjIucuGAlHogw AwalCFU5GGuvs3bj+cGc+8vhqI+eKZeu7s1/SGoQbg8n9OoGf/izvNlfE+K4Owuyq3cH RD0KEOISMAo83TsAz73Jf8GpYRwf9G9d2WOsJZ+YtIsy5xwCFVoorVzuwqSe5J4ksPXH rD+s9B6hSc3T0jegj1esNNP6gEFIMGwMmbEEs5O40rqjz+yh7MFVvF4Hc3M/2mdZc6d3 aRJssE9ZWfhlGIhNvWsfIM/w88PHK8OzPY7Fr5t78gx8lLYM1//q8z6nNgdyW53igKor O6xg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQky2mG7EuIT6t2iiCwMvCohwI77iOh0Wp938CLeGhsRj5swGNkLkao9iQzQIFEOtGtiLLW8 X-Received: by 10.140.51.109 with SMTP id t100mr2635265qga.50.1392300518937; Thu, 13 Feb 2014 06:08:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from flea (c-98-229-61-72.hsd1.ma.comcast.net. [98.229.61.72]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id b14sm5609126qac.17.2014.02.13.06.08.38 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 13 Feb 2014 06:08:38 -0800 (PST) From: Ted Zlatanov Organization: =?UTF-8?Q?=D0=A2=D0=B5=D0=BE=D0=B4=D0=BE=D1=80_?= =?UTF-8?Q?=D0=97=D0=BB=D0=B0=D1=82=D0=B0=D0=BD=D0=BE=D0=B2?= @ Cienfuegos References: X-Face: bd.DQ~'29fIs`T_%O%C\g%6jW)yi[zuz6; d4V0`@y-~$#3P_Ng{@m+e4o<4P'#(_GJQ%TT= D}[Ep*b!\e,fBZ'j_+#"Ps?s2!4H2-Y"sx" Mail-Copies-To: never Gmane-Reply-To-List: yes Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 09:08:50 -0500 In-Reply-To: (Glenn Morris's message of "Wed, 12 Feb 2014 21:05:38 -0500") Message-ID: <8761ojgl59.fsf@lifelogs.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.130008 (Ma Gnus v0.8) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) On Wed, 12 Feb 2014 21:05:38 -0500 Glenn Morris wrote: GM> Package: emacs GM> Severity: minor GM> Some elpa.gnu.org packages seem not to understand what the Keywords: GM> header is for. Eg coffee-mode uses "coffeescript", "major", and "mode". GM> None of these are standard, none of these are shared with a single other GM> package. sml-mode uses just "sml". GM> This header should contain relevant entry(ies) from finder-known-keywords. Maybe we need to support a new "Tags:" header and to suggest to the authors to migrate to it (and in the process set correct Keywords). Ted From unknown Mon Jun 23 06:01:16 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#16735: Not very useful "Keywords:" headers in some elpa packages Resent-From: Stefan Monnier Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 16:01:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 16735 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Glenn Morris Cc: 16735@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 16735-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B16735.139230725931087 (code B ref 16735); Thu, 13 Feb 2014 16:01:01 +0000 Received: (at 16735) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Feb 2014 16:00:59 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50925 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WDyih-00085K-0o for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 13 Feb 2014 11:00:59 -0500 Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.181]:50902) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WDyie-000851-E8 for 16735@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 13 Feb 2014 11:00:57 -0500 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av4EABK/CFFLd+mu/2dsb2JhbABEvw4Xc4IeAQEEAVYjBQsLDiYSFBgNJIgeBsEtkQoDiGGcGYFegxU X-IPAS-Result: Av4EABK/CFFLd+mu/2dsb2JhbABEvw4Xc4IeAQEEAVYjBQsLDiYSFBgNJIgeBsEtkQoDiGGcGYFegxU X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.84,565,1355115600"; d="scan'208";a="47545059" Received: from 75-119-233-174.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([75.119.233.174]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP/TLS/ADH-AES256-SHA; 13 Feb 2014 11:00:50 -0500 Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 719766007C; Thu, 13 Feb 2014 11:00:50 -0500 (EST) From: Stefan Monnier Message-ID: References: <8761ojgl59.fsf@lifelogs.com> Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 11:00:50 -0500 In-Reply-To: <8761ojgl59.fsf@lifelogs.com> (Ted Zlatanov's message of "Thu, 13 Feb 2014 09:08:50 -0500") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) > Maybe we need to support a new "Tags:" header and to suggest to the > authors to migrate to it (and in the process set correct Keywords). I don't understand why a new header would help. Stefan From unknown Mon Jun 23 06:01:16 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#16735: Not very useful "Keywords:" headers in some elpa packages Resent-From: Ted Zlatanov Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 17:02:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 16735 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Stefan Monnier Cc: Glenn Morris , 16735@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 16735-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B16735.139231089910429 (code B ref 16735); Thu, 13 Feb 2014 17:02:01 +0000 Received: (at 16735) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Feb 2014 17:01:39 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51054 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WDzfO-0002i8-Dg for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 13 Feb 2014 12:01:38 -0500 Received: from mail-qa0-f42.google.com ([209.85.216.42]:55546) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WDzfM-0002hq-1f for 16735@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 13 Feb 2014 12:01:36 -0500 Received: by mail-qa0-f42.google.com with SMTP id k4so16836357qaq.1 for <16735@debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 13 Feb 2014 09:01:30 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=lifelogs.com; s=google; h=from:to:cc:subject:organization:references:mail-copies-to :gmane-reply-to-list:date:in-reply-to:message-id:user-agent :mime-version:content-type; bh=l9y6h3PTQRT85/Zq283cHwBhkdOkfAfTm8H/WfXDnBo=; b=AOtN81jCfjpZ5rTXml6BrIrTBas+7xRpXlDjGNF/eqWz7C4hTPLqOk5cZ06m4rL9LM AqtrDdyy/uS7DPP55hPAaCfuSyvdLJfJfoXcd/5e9JSkXSGOzJX5CUScBE7rQrI1MUUJ eb9aeat0k/DFS1Q7e4Vw2rm21aK5dJCoWzAXc= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:organization:references :mail-copies-to:gmane-reply-to-list:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=l9y6h3PTQRT85/Zq283cHwBhkdOkfAfTm8H/WfXDnBo=; b=XxFY2BkSyRZASL6Qd/ptmOvg6aDaGrzXll6xVQyp+Xnf64rWuaU3QRTWEEFKDjYFN8 AGLMQa+fjwQ440X1KPSQfbUE4SQ2FANNdWD/qDbPBNFAmyEJCF4UogAHpZwxU4jEHCzF 98lIIRpe9AAfHvhXI/Q1u+4dxw1hbjvZmfqfoyFLfVnpqXnRGX1nj/rHu3vtzB78Ra1k mHj367gZXyMht7ZgEDB52negviMTpirvtcIIyoSVEEbqbWSOKml026/7k2ZKiYhrlhTL 5h9GwPKHCXMwSCmBXVdYDjlI4qEgrRjdWBpLz6PT0ZnUwOu8sLiILIBCKVppg3kQZ2kl dxAA== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkUWf+ODv1s36hMKu+ID8mzW8/26YZW/tbBfohefDjU/xmfbkA4zlNIvL/SVP87aolfpRKK X-Received: by 10.224.28.197 with SMTP id n5mr4313004qac.43.1392310890484; Thu, 13 Feb 2014 09:01:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from flea (c-98-229-61-72.hsd1.ma.comcast.net. [98.229.61.72]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id h12sm6936507qar.14.2014.02.13.09.01.29 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 13 Feb 2014 09:01:29 -0800 (PST) From: Ted Zlatanov Organization: =?UTF-8?Q?=D0=A2=D0=B5=D0=BE=D0=B4=D0=BE=D1=80_?= =?UTF-8?Q?=D0=97=D0=BB=D0=B0=D1=82=D0=B0=D0=BD=D0=BE=D0=B2?= @ Cienfuegos References: <8761ojgl59.fsf@lifelogs.com> X-Face: bd.DQ~'29fIs`T_%O%C\g%6jW)yi[zuz6; d4V0`@y-~$#3P_Ng{@m+e4o<4P'#(_GJQ%TT= D}[Ep*b!\e,fBZ'j_+#"Ps?s2!4H2-Y"sx" Mail-Copies-To: never Gmane-Reply-To-List: yes Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 12:01:41 -0500 In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Thu, 13 Feb 2014 11:00:50 -0500") Message-ID: <87sirneykq.fsf@lifelogs.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.130008 (Ma Gnus v0.8) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) On Thu, 13 Feb 2014 11:00:50 -0500 Stefan Monnier wrote: >> Maybe we need to support a new "Tags:" header and to suggest to the >> authors to migrate to it (and in the process set correct Keywords). SM> I don't understand why a new header would help. Keywords is supposed to match the finder keywords. Authors want a way to tag their packages with arbitrary keywords = tags. Ted From unknown Mon Jun 23 06:01:16 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#16735: Not very useful "Keywords:" headers in some elpa packages Resent-From: Stefan Monnier Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 18:06:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 16735 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Glenn Morris Cc: 16735@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 16735-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B16735.139231473126576 (code B ref 16735); Thu, 13 Feb 2014 18:06:01 +0000 Received: (at 16735) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Feb 2014 18:05:31 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51101 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WE0fD-0006ua-JN for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 13 Feb 2014 13:05:31 -0500 Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.181]:18486) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WE0fA-0006uJ-PP for 16735@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 13 Feb 2014 13:05:29 -0500 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av4EABK/CFFLd+mu/2dsb2JhbABEvw4Xc4IeAQEEAVYjBQsLDiYSFBgNJIgeBsEtkQoDiGGcGYFegxU X-IPAS-Result: Av4EABK/CFFLd+mu/2dsb2JhbABEvw4Xc4IeAQEEAVYjBQsLDiYSFBgNJIgeBsEtkQoDiGGcGYFegxU X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.84,565,1355115600"; d="scan'208";a="47569148" Received: from 75-119-233-174.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([75.119.233.174]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP/TLS/ADH-AES256-SHA; 13 Feb 2014 13:05:23 -0500 Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id EEF4A600EB; Thu, 13 Feb 2014 13:05:22 -0500 (EST) From: Stefan Monnier Message-ID: References: <8761ojgl59.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87sirneykq.fsf@lifelogs.com> Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 13:05:22 -0500 In-Reply-To: <87sirneykq.fsf@lifelogs.com> (Ted Zlatanov's message of "Thu, 13 Feb 2014 12:01:41 -0500") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) > Keywords is supposed to match the finder keywords. No, they don't have to. But it's a good idea if they do. And same would hold for "Tag". Stefan From unknown Mon Jun 23 06:01:16 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#16735: Not very useful "Keywords:" headers in some elpa packages Resent-From: Glenn Morris Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 18:09:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 16735 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 16735@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 16735-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B16735.139231491826953 (code B ref 16735); Thu, 13 Feb 2014 18:09:01 +0000 Received: (at 16735) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Feb 2014 18:08:38 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51106 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WE0iE-00070e-3Z for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 13 Feb 2014 13:08:38 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:44177 ident=Debian-exim) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WE0iB-00070P-6g for 16735@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 13 Feb 2014 13:08:35 -0500 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WE0i9-0004CT-Gv; Thu, 13 Feb 2014 13:08:33 -0500 From: Glenn Morris References: <8761ojgl59.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87sirneykq.fsf@lifelogs.com> X-Spook: Crypto AG spy red noise ASIO bullion ICE Leuken-Baden Reno X-Ran: 4FOkt3+`ABfv!T$a7lH]+@{A70i~a;!{%|BiMb,gf@} (Ted Zlatanov's message of "Thu, 13 Feb 2014 12:01:41 -0500") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -5.7 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.7 (-----) Ted Zlatanov wrote: > Keywords is supposed to match the finder keywords. Is it? Exclusively? I used to think that, but I don't even know any more... So many people use it for random "here's a list of any word I could think of that is even vaguely related to this file". > Authors want a way to tag their packages with arbitrary keywords = > tags. Calendar uses "Human-Keywords" for that, but no-one else does AFAICS. IMO it is a shame "Keywords" was not called "Finder-Keywords" from the start, if that is really what it was supposed to be. Anyway, all I was hoping to get from this bug report is that Someone would add the relevant finder keywords (languages, etc) to elpa.gnu.org packages that lack them. From unknown Mon Jun 23 06:01:16 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#16735: Not very useful "Keywords:" headers in some elpa packages Resent-From: Glenn Morris Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 18:17:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 16735 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 16735@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 16735-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B16735.139231537527874 (code B ref 16735); Thu, 13 Feb 2014 18:17:01 +0000 Received: (at 16735) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Feb 2014 18:16:15 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51127 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WE0pb-0007FW-2N for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 13 Feb 2014 13:16:15 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:44316 ident=Debian-exim) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WE0pY-0007FN-ES for 16735@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 13 Feb 2014 13:16:12 -0500 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WE0pX-0005HE-FG; Thu, 13 Feb 2014 13:16:11 -0500 From: Glenn Morris References: <8761ojgl59.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87sirneykq.fsf@lifelogs.com> X-Spook: Kosovo IRA Gazprom AGT. AMME UOP Downing Street top X-Ran: O(\%{RKFtwsbx@yn;$2,v|DrByZH$z(F`Vga"SL]RU X-Hue: white X-Attribution: GM Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 13:16:11 -0500 In-Reply-To: (Glenn Morris's message of "Thu, 13 Feb 2014 13:08:32 -0500") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -5.7 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.7 (-----) PS perhaps the describe-package stuff that adds the keywords buttons should ignore unknown keywords? From unknown Mon Jun 23 06:01:16 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#16735: Not very useful "Keywords:" headers in some elpa packages Resent-From: Ted Zlatanov Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 18:22:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 16735 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Glenn Morris Cc: 16735@debbugs.gnu.org, Stefan Monnier Received: via spool by 16735-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B16735.139231568128501 (code B ref 16735); Thu, 13 Feb 2014 18:22:02 +0000 Received: (at 16735) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Feb 2014 18:21:21 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51144 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WE0uW-0007Pc-5l for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 13 Feb 2014 13:21:20 -0500 Received: from mail-qc0-f181.google.com ([209.85.216.181]:48276) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WE0uT-0007PK-DM for 16735@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 13 Feb 2014 13:21:18 -0500 Received: by mail-qc0-f181.google.com with SMTP id e9so18170153qcy.26 for <16735@debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 13 Feb 2014 10:21:12 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=lifelogs.com; s=google; h=from:to:cc:subject:organization:references:mail-copies-to :gmane-reply-to-list:date:in-reply-to:message-id:user-agent :mime-version:content-type; bh=VCmCQ8PgMEEduq5GnvJr3mREbDkdFQgVJXRHGlGE7LI=; b=XxSpInSex1D9QWKfzp9GRIQhqH3kkwv52LhowdvRfzKBbh+PdFf6d3WVZVCrsQ/oIB qbPjEmuPvrLz7zUGfpd6wNH0CJNK9CNbFvhE+CmWR3DNvEVfOqLCCN03+6fLxK/2Duxw Pz5LFJaDw5PX5uNeAsJgDf4x3zY8zOSVm6wf4= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:organization:references :mail-copies-to:gmane-reply-to-list:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=VCmCQ8PgMEEduq5GnvJr3mREbDkdFQgVJXRHGlGE7LI=; b=PhjycJe5LnaA10HgPqyJwTRYHlxR1bKXGpD2YZgti2Zxulfb0H6dW95SCb8ZsxM49x yF/fdAko6vOzQRY6l/xrfHlrG54PLTqENNrC1Hj+9mOojjIiL8rNzI6/IA3+frY/OSgW SGhR5/oIewY2s2sgOk8SJTTfsmNx0QmL3GfyAXw+pFEB8VqmcEMPENbKhUYhECI/rGTE bHtH0dgcDBdoqqWMhPkKhPo9ch8spj8teaNlPjuJPr2s3LZXHVvRJ63+ymb/IphAoajr IPL99cxal29khbIYUl2m3cVDcaj1e6/QufZMiYB2wyH4owunWVTSteo19tYjDRlp/Rsc 0/lw== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQk9OU7usiJFvJtlr7s1HhCuDtcevuXM0WxlXXVIeyHvuZWW132OAUlOSOsrqfirsWdzg18O X-Received: by 10.140.86.51 with SMTP id o48mr4698694qgd.67.1392315665235; Thu, 13 Feb 2014 10:21:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from flea (c-98-229-61-72.hsd1.ma.comcast.net. [98.229.61.72]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id b14sm7548812qac.17.2014.02.13.10.21.04 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 13 Feb 2014 10:21:04 -0800 (PST) From: Ted Zlatanov Organization: =?UTF-8?Q?=D0=A2=D0=B5=D0=BE=D0=B4=D0=BE=D1=80_?= =?UTF-8?Q?=D0=97=D0=BB=D0=B0=D1=82=D0=B0=D0=BD=D0=BE=D0=B2?= @ Cienfuegos References: <8761ojgl59.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87sirneykq.fsf@lifelogs.com> <8761ojgl59.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87sirneykq.fsf@lifelogs.com> X-Face: bd.DQ~'29fIs`T_%O%C\g%6jW)yi[zuz6; d4V0`@y-~$#3P_Ng{@m+e4o<4P'#(_GJQ%TT= D}[Ep*b!\e,fBZ'j_+#"Ps?s2!4H2-Y"sx" Mail-Copies-To: never Gmane-Reply-To-List: yes Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 13:21:16 -0500 In-Reply-To: (Glenn Morris's message of "Thu, 13 Feb 2014 13:08:32 -0500, Thu, 13 Feb 2014 13:05:22 -0500") Message-ID: <87fvnmg9gj.fsf_-_@lifelogs.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.130008 (Ma Gnus v0.8) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) On Thu, 13 Feb 2014 13:08:32 -0500 Glenn Morris wrote: GM> Ted Zlatanov wrote: >> Keywords is supposed to match the finder keywords. GM> Is it? Exclusively? GM> I used to think that, but I don't even know any more... GM> So many people use it for random "here's a list of any word I could GM> think of that is even vaguely related to this file". I know, so I'm saying let's give them a new "Tags" header for that purpose and gently encourage them to start using it. >> Authors want a way to tag their packages with arbitrary keywords = >> tags. GM> Calendar uses "Human-Keywords" for that, but no-one else does AFAICS. GM> IMO it is a shame "Keywords" was not called "Finder-Keywords" from the GM> start, if that is really what it was supposed to be. Yes, I agree. GM> Anyway, all I was hoping to get from this bug report is that Someone GM> would add the relevant finder keywords (languages, etc) to elpa.gnu.org GM> packages that lack them. I can do it, but in the process would like to start using Tags. Then we have something to offer the authors so their intended tags (which presumably are valuable) are not lost. On Thu, 13 Feb 2014 13:05:22 -0500 Stefan Monnier wrote: >> Keywords is supposed to match the finder keywords. SM> No, they don't have to. But it's a good idea if they do. Right. SM> And same would hold for "Tag". Why should it? It would be a new header, intended for arbitrary strings, with no baggage. IOW you'd see Keywords: language Tags: mustache,handlebars Does that make sense? Ted From unknown Mon Jun 23 06:01:16 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#16735: Not very useful "Keywords:" headers in some elpa packages Resent-From: Stefan Monnier Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 19:13:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 16735 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Glenn Morris Cc: 16735@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 16735-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B16735.13923187561567 (code B ref 16735); Thu, 13 Feb 2014 19:13:02 +0000 Received: (at 16735) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Feb 2014 19:12:36 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51165 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WE1i7-0000PA-I1 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 13 Feb 2014 14:12:36 -0500 Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.181]:38762) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WE1i4-0000Ou-TZ for 16735@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 13 Feb 2014 14:12:33 -0500 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AlEJABK/CFFLd+mu/2dsb2JhbABEvgsEBHsXc4IeAQEEAVYjBQsLDiYSFBgNJIgeBsEtkQoDiGGcGYFegxU X-IPAS-Result: AlEJABK/CFFLd+mu/2dsb2JhbABEvgsEBHsXc4IeAQEEAVYjBQsLDiYSFBgNJIgeBsEtkQoDiGGcGYFegxU X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.84,565,1355115600"; d="scan'208";a="47576188" Received: from 75-119-233-174.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([75.119.233.174]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP/TLS/ADH-AES256-SHA; 13 Feb 2014 14:12:27 -0500 Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id DF4D4600EB; Thu, 13 Feb 2014 14:12:26 -0500 (EST) From: Stefan Monnier Message-ID: References: <8761ojgl59.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87sirneykq.fsf@lifelogs.com> <8761ojgl59.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87sirneykq.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87fvnmg9gj.fsf_-_@lifelogs.com> Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 14:12:26 -0500 In-Reply-To: <87fvnmg9gj.fsf_-_@lifelogs.com> (Ted Zlatanov's message of "Thu, 13 Feb 2014 13:21:16 -0500") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) > Why should it? Because the finder keywords are not magical. They're just a starting point for very general classification. But it makes a lot of sense to put an "ocaml" keyword on ocaml-mode, tuareg-mode and merlin since all 3 provide functionality for ocaml. Similarly it makes a lot of sense to use a "completion" keyword for company, icomplete, auto-complete, completion-ui, semantic, etc... What I mean is that there's no reason to separate the two. What the UI could do, OTOH is to only "buttonize" those keywords that appear in more than one package. Stefan "who doesn't like the finder keywords very much anyway. I mean, =ABconvenience=BB? =ABtools=BB?" From unknown Mon Jun 23 06:01:16 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#16735: Not very useful "Keywords:" headers in some elpa packages Resent-From: Glenn Morris Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 19:38:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 16735 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Stefan Monnier Cc: 16735@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 16735-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B16735.13923202784499 (code B ref 16735); Thu, 13 Feb 2014 19:38:02 +0000 Received: (at 16735) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Feb 2014 19:37:58 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51184 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WE26f-0001AU-UI for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 13 Feb 2014 14:37:58 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:45980 ident=Debian-exim) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WE26d-0001AJ-4U for 16735@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 13 Feb 2014 14:37:55 -0500 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WE26Z-0008Ks-PB; Thu, 13 Feb 2014 14:37:52 -0500 From: Glenn Morris References: <8761ojgl59.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87sirneykq.fsf@lifelogs.com> <8761ojgl59.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87sirneykq.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87fvnmg9gj.fsf_-_@lifelogs.com> X-Spook: HAMASMOIS Mena RSA ASPIC Uzbekistan Panama SHA Bin Laden X-Ran: n.9$t2@PKe%%LSXEZa\Ic}t/cOhfNn"OfPtuT^Bjann`nDcM$mvSWu~!{,D)=%?KO<|q"N X-Hue: red X-Attribution: GM Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 14:37:50 -0500 In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Thu, 13 Feb 2014 14:12:26 -0500") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -4.9 (----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -4.9 (----) Stefan Monnier wrote: >> Why should it? [...] Since Ted uses "Mail-Copies-To: Never", and Gnus seems to then just pick someone from the Cc: list (namely me) to use as the To: header, and since you don't attribute your citations, I keep thinking you are quoting me, but you aren't. Could you attribute your quotes? From unknown Mon Jun 23 06:01:16 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#16735: Not very useful "Keywords:" headers in some elpa packages Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 19:49:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 16735 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Stefan Monnier , Glenn Morris Cc: 16735@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 16735-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B16735.13923208885661 (code B ref 16735); Thu, 13 Feb 2014 19:49:01 +0000 Received: (at 16735) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Feb 2014 19:48:08 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51196 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WE2GW-0001TF-2z for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 13 Feb 2014 14:48:08 -0500 Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:31535) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WE2GU-0001Sa-DF for 16735@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 13 Feb 2014 14:48:06 -0500 Received: from ucsinet22.oracle.com (ucsinet22.oracle.com [156.151.31.94]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id s1DJlxXt020920 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Feb 2014 19:48:00 GMT Received: from aserz7021.oracle.com (aserz7021.oracle.com [141.146.126.230]) by ucsinet22.oracle.com (8.14.5+Sun/8.14.5) with ESMTP id s1DJlwLC027081 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 13 Feb 2014 19:47:59 GMT Received: from abhmp0001.oracle.com (abhmp0001.oracle.com [141.146.116.7]) by aserz7021.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id s1DJlwnD025865; Thu, 13 Feb 2014 19:47:58 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 11:47:57 -0800 (PST) From: Drew Adams References: <8761ojgl59.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87sirneykq.fsf@lifelogs.com> <8761ojgl59.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87sirneykq.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87fvnmg9gj.fsf_-_@lifelogs.com> In-Reply-To: X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.8 (707110) [OL 12.0.6680.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: ucsinet22.oracle.com [156.151.31.94] X-Spam-Score: -3.0 (---) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.0 (---) > > Why should it? >=20 > Because the finder keywords are not magical. They're just a > starting point for very general classification. But it makes a lot > of sense to put an "ocaml" keyword on ocaml-mode, tuareg-mode and > merlin since all 3 provide functionality for ocaml. Similarly it > makes a lot of sense to use a "completion" keyword for company, > icomplete, auto-complete, completion-ui, semantic, etc... >=20 > What I mean is that there's no reason to separate the two. What the > UI could do, OTOH is to only "buttonize" those keywords that appear > in more than one package. +1 to all of that. Keywords in the header are *not* Finder keywords, anyway. Finder is one thing that makes use of them. And even for that, I want Finder to be able to handle any keywords. If someone wants/needs a more restrictive search that finds only somebody's set of "official" keywords (which could be useful), then that feature should be additional. And it would be a trivial feature to add to Finder or whatever (e.g. package.el): let users or code define known sets of keywords to (optionally) recognize. Keywords in the header have no particular meanings. They mean what you want them to mean or what some particular code that uses them makes them mean (do). From unknown Mon Jun 23 06:01:16 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#16735: Not very useful "Keywords:" headers in some elpa packages Resent-From: Ted Zlatanov Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 21:33:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 16735 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Stefan Monnier , Glenn Morris , 16735@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 16735-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B16735.139232715517142 (code B ref 16735); Thu, 13 Feb 2014 21:33:01 +0000 Received: (at 16735) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Feb 2014 21:32:35 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51275 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WE3ta-0004SO-Bv for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 13 Feb 2014 16:32:34 -0500 Received: from mail-qc0-f182.google.com ([209.85.216.182]:44514) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WE3tX-0004S4-Dg for 16735@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 13 Feb 2014 16:32:32 -0500 Received: by mail-qc0-f182.google.com with SMTP id c9so18928563qcz.27 for <16735@debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 13 Feb 2014 13:32:25 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=lifelogs.com; s=google; h=from:to:subject:organization:references:gmane-reply-to-list:date :in-reply-to:message-id:user-agent:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=ZEynOjh2/+Qn9uh4I83aVNs8YjnRtyhdiFtHWuVjJ+Y=; b=JSySZm4ZaP1+ENeeWs/CDG/gzq7jSUR3ET615y4X2vuNW0g1A4ron0/Jkb/ldK/yDF zhBMG0hptXxyxMNREfjF3FVPSR5/CyzlyYdi596pCFZZ41pSl1LGEg/aBcTnlMXqb+kv BtAeTSx3/C/wGBaNnFfX2Y5nL4upuNhwgzWw0= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:subject:organization:references :gmane-reply-to-list:date:in-reply-to:message-id:user-agent :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=ZEynOjh2/+Qn9uh4I83aVNs8YjnRtyhdiFtHWuVjJ+Y=; b=Jiv4W+zOTWYs2eKUuOaqT58I1C0ve2Gsv2kl4ouv3/iKOiKcviETFZu+uGn/tZ4YKP XEWL9Cdy/VVzxN7Vk+tSRk7iYQLSdRyoyqtvJduf2rmHz9eO8pLOOyp31Hz50IMATyvP k+jvSUpMtiV+FMP7sQcQsT9xSkmLgWTBUrb3Lr6lG/Yhg/JK5lkKtTaLDY9mgNsfdsq2 gnCKvkkVq2HXTo5gFOhvrSiBGvhafhFi3gWRC3NSxjMWUPB/Aniqqiw+TtoCMUgcWSXb /AyRppbaSWnNRkp/645MgWdv79aUJpCHJRNuGoMXCNrzPAcSCnEkAHsWknIENUmnH24D tMMw== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnrcekws/qnYtmy9UZtIHqCLdM/FgyVJmOSiVXpmLb753RVZWFA5I02RC3P1TOGmHGsFojU X-Received: by 10.140.43.3 with SMTP id d3mr6271945qga.70.1392327145856; Thu, 13 Feb 2014 13:32:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from flea (c-98-229-61-72.hsd1.ma.comcast.net. [98.229.61.72]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id w9sm9061840qax.3.2014.02.13.13.32.24 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 13 Feb 2014 13:32:25 -0800 (PST) From: Ted Zlatanov Organization: =?UTF-8?Q?=D0=A2=D0=B5=D0=BE=D0=B4=D0=BE=D1=80_?= =?UTF-8?Q?=D0=97=D0=BB=D0=B0=D1=82=D0=B0=D0=BD=D0=BE=D0=B2?= @ Cienfuegos References: <87sirneykq.fsf@lifelogs.com> <8761ojgl59.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87sirneykq.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87fvnmg9gj.fsf_-_@lifelogs.com> <8761ojgl59.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87sirneykq.fsf@lifelogs.com> <8761ojgl59.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87sirneykq.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87fvnmg9gj.fsf_-_@lifelogs.com> X-Face: bd.DQ~'29fIs`T_%O%C\g%6jW)yi[zuz6; d4V0`@y-~$#3P_Ng{@m+e4o<4P'#(_GJQ%TT= D}[Ep*b!\e,fBZ'j_+#"Ps?s2!4H2-Y"sx" Gmane-Reply-To-List: yes Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 16:32:37 -0500 In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Thu, 13 Feb 2014 14:12:26 -0500, Thu, 13 Feb 2014 14:37:50 -0500") Message-ID: <878uteg0lm.fsf_-_@lifelogs.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.130008 (Ma Gnus v0.8) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) On Thu, 13 Feb 2014 14:12:26 -0500 Stefan Monnier wrote:=20 >> Why should it? SM> Because the finder keywords are not magical. They're just a starting SM> point for very general classification. But it makes a lot of sense to SM> put an "ocaml" keyword on ocaml-mode, tuareg-mode and merlin since all SM> 3 provide functionality for ocaml. Similarly it makes a lot of sense to SM> use a "completion" keyword for company, icomplete, auto-complete, SM> completion-ui, semantic, etc... SM> What I mean is that there's no reason to separate the two. What the UI SM> could do, OTOH is to only "buttonize" those keywords that appear in more SM> than one package. OK, but the original report here was to prune these keywords. So do I fix the UI (since I created the buttons) as you suggest or do I prune the keywords as Glenn suggested? SM> Stefan "who doesn't like the finder keywords very much anyway. SM> I mean, =ABconvenience=BB? =ABtools=BB?" Yes, I agree, and extra points for the fancy quotations :) Ted From unknown Mon Jun 23 06:01:16 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#16735: Not very useful "Keywords:" headers in some elpa packages Resent-From: Stefan Monnier Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2014 01:51:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 16735 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Ted Zlatanov Cc: Glenn Morris , 16735@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 16735-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B16735.139234261717610 (code B ref 16735); Fri, 14 Feb 2014 01:51:01 +0000 Received: (at 16735) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Feb 2014 01:50:17 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51344 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WE7uz-0004Zy-Ik for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 13 Feb 2014 20:50:17 -0500 Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.181]:38416) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WE7uy-0004Zm-43 for 16735@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 13 Feb 2014 20:50:16 -0500 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av4EABK/CFFLd+mu/2dsb2JhbABEvw4Xc4IeAQEEAVYjBQsLDiYSFBgNJIgeBsEtkQoDiGGcGYFegxU X-IPAS-Result: Av4EABK/CFFLd+mu/2dsb2JhbABEvw4Xc4IeAQEEAVYjBQsLDiYSFBgNJIgeBsEtkQoDiGGcGYFegxU X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.84,565,1355115600"; d="scan'208";a="47601644" Received: from 75-119-233-174.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([75.119.233.174]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP/TLS/ADH-AES256-SHA; 13 Feb 2014 20:50:10 -0500 Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 39EFC600C5; Thu, 13 Feb 2014 20:50:10 -0500 (EST) From: Stefan Monnier Message-ID: References: <87sirneykq.fsf@lifelogs.com> <8761ojgl59.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87sirneykq.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87fvnmg9gj.fsf_-_@lifelogs.com> <8761ojgl59.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87sirneykq.fsf@lifelogs.com> <8761ojgl59.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87sirneykq.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87fvnmg9gj.fsf_-_@lifelogs.com> <878uteg0lm.fsf_-_@lifelogs.com> Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 20:50:10 -0500 In-Reply-To: <878uteg0lm.fsf_-_@lifelogs.com> (Ted Zlatanov's message of "Thu, 13 Feb 2014 16:32:37 -0500") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) > OK, but the original report here was to prune these keywords. The reports points out two problems: - the existing keywords include useless/incorrect elements. - the fail to include some relevant finder-keywords. 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