From unknown Sun Sep 07 15:32:50 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#16644 <16644@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#16644 <16644@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: 24.3.50; Can't get Git Org mode info files before info files bundled with Emacs Reply-To: bug#16644 <16644@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2025 22:32:50 +0000 retitle 16644 24.3.50; Can't get Git Org mode info files before info files = bundled with Emacs reassign 16644 emacs submitter 16644 "Sebastien Vauban" severity 16644 normal thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Feb 04 13:39:15 2014 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Feb 2014 18:39:15 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49733 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WAktu-0002SM-S7 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 04 Feb 2014 13:39:15 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:55071) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WAktr-0002SC-SF for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 04 Feb 2014 13:39:12 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WAkti-0002oA-HY for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 04 Feb 2014 13:39:11 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_40 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]:56700) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WAkti-0002nl-7Y for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 04 Feb 2014 13:39:02 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:56617) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WAktc-0007ej-0K for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 04 Feb 2014 13:39:02 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WAktW-0002jI-7N for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 04 Feb 2014 13:38:55 -0500 Received: from dd5e0353a.access.telenet.be ([213.224.53.58]:20534 helo=mail.missioncriticalit.com) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WAiDS-0000Zp-Cg for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 04 Feb 2014 10:47:14 -0500 Received: from MUNDANEUM.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me (unknown [10.10.10.51]) by mail.missioncriticalit.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C79D65001AA for ; Tue, 4 Feb 2014 16:49:57 +0100 (CET) From: "Sebastien Vauban" To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 24.3.50; Can't get Git Org mode info files before info files bundled with Emacs Organization: Sebastien Vauban X-Url: Under construction... X-Archive: encrypt Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2014 16:45:16 +0100 Message-ID: <8661ourier.fsf@somewhere.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (windows-nt) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 208.118.235.17 X-Spam-Score: -4.3 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -4.3 (----) Hello, As I'm using Org mode from Git, I try to use the info files generated (by `make info') instead of the "old" ones, bundled with GNU Emacs. Here is my minimal configuration file: --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- (message "Loading Minimal Emacs...") ;; Org-mode (add-to-list 'load-path "~/Public/Repositories/org-mode/lisp") ; modify the paths to suit your environment! ;; getting started (add-to-list 'auto-mode-alist '("\\.\\(org\\|org_archive\\|txt\\)\\'" . org-mode)) (require 'org-loaddefs) (setq Info-default-directory-list `(,(expand-file-name (concat (file-name-directory (locate-library "org")) "../doc/")) "c:/cygwin/usr/share/info/" ,@Info-default-directory-list)) (setq Info-additional-directory-list `(,(expand-file-name (concat (file-name-directory (locate-library "org")) "../doc/")) "c:/cygwin/usr/share/info/")) (message "Loading Minimal Emacs... Done") --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- 1. When setting `Info-default-directory-list' ONLY (commenting the lines about `Info-additional-directory-list'), the value of `Info-directory-list' is: --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- ("c:/Program Files (x86)/emacs-trunk/share/info/" "d:/Users/sva/Public/Repositories/org-mode/doc/" "c:/cygwin/usr/share/info/") --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- 2. When setting `Info-additional-directory-list' ONLY (commenting the lines about `Info-default-directory-list'), the value of `Info-directory-list' is: --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- ("c:/Program Files (x86)/emacs-trunk/share/info/") --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- That is: I never get the info files from the Git repository in front of the Emacs one. Best regards, Seb -- Sebastien Vauban From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Feb 05 00:50:06 2014 Received: (at 16644) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Feb 2014 05:50:06 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50029 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WAvN7-0006lq-GB for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 05 Feb 2014 00:50:06 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:51709) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WAvN5-0006lg-3N for 16644@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 05 Feb 2014 00:50:03 -0500 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WAvN4-0006Ck-B4; Wed, 05 Feb 2014 00:50:02 -0500 From: Glenn Morris To: "Sebastien Vauban" Subject: Re: bug#16644: 24.3.50; Can't get Git Org mode info files before info files bundled with Emacs References: <8661ourier.fsf@somewhere.org> X-Spook: e-cash Rule Psix fraud Honduras ANC SEAL Team 6 codes X-Ran: f,WdB\4?OOyM8M]Lq7r{PgAnx?[Vbt$dxAw"u/o*<]5j98"3wfp:R!F,RY}^%Sr";\Qs>F X-Hue: blue X-Debbugs-No-Ack: yes X-Attribution: GM Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2014 00:50:02 -0500 In-Reply-To: <8661ourier.fsf@somewhere.org> (Sebastien Vauban's message of "Tue, 04 Feb 2014 16:45:16 +0100") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -5.6 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 16644 Cc: 16644@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.6 (-----) If you are running uninstalled, I expect http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-diffs/2014-01/msg00130.html is to blame. It should probably be reverted anyway. (We could discuss the original motivation for that in #16407 if anyone cares.) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Feb 05 03:21:08 2014 Received: (at 16644) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Feb 2014 08:21:08 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50110 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WAxjI-0003RB-1L for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 05 Feb 2014 03:21:08 -0500 Received: from dd5e0353a.access.telenet.be ([213.224.53.58]:53386 helo=mail.missioncriticalit.com) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WAxjF-0003R0-41 for 16644@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 05 Feb 2014 03:21:05 -0500 Received: from MUNDANEUM.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me (unknown [10.10.10.51]) by mail.missioncriticalit.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D6FD5500765; Wed, 5 Feb 2014 09:23:48 +0100 (CET) From: "Sebastien Vauban" To: Glenn Morris Subject: Re: bug#16644: 24.3.50; Can't get Git Org mode info files before info files bundled with Emacs Organization: Sebastien Vauban References: <8661ourier.fsf@somewhere.org> X-Url: Under construction... X-Archive: encrypt Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2014 09:19:06 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Glenn Morris's message of "Wed, 05 Feb 2014 00:50:02 -0500") Message-ID: <864n4egef9.fsf@somewhere.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (windows-nt) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 16644 Cc: 16644@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.7 (/) Glenn Morris wrote: > If you are running uninstalled, IIUC, yes, I'm running "uninstalled", as I grab a Win32 binary compiled by Dani, and just put it in C:/Program Files (x86)/. > I expect > http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-diffs/2014-01/msg00130.html is > to blame. It should probably be reverted anyway. Does that commit account as being the cause of BOTH problems? >> 1. When setting `Info-default-directory-list' ONLY (commenting the lines >> about `Info-additional-directory-list'), the value of >> `Info-directory-list' is: >> >> ("c:/Program Files (x86)/emacs-trunk/share/info/" >> "d:/Users/sva/Public/Repositories/org-mode/doc/" >> "c:/cygwin/usr/share/info/") >> >> 2. When setting `Info-additional-directory-list' ONLY (commenting the lines >> about `Info-default-directory-list'), the value of `Info-directory-list' >> is: >> >> ("c:/Program Files (x86)/emacs-trunk/share/info/") Which var am I supposed to customize: `Info-default-directory-list' or `Info-additional-directory-list'? Best regards, Seb -- Sebastien Vauban From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Feb 05 03:34:43 2014 Received: (at 16644) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Feb 2014 08:34:43 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50131 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WAxwQ-0004wu-I9 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 05 Feb 2014 03:34:42 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:53739) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WAxwO-0004wm-NS for 16644@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 05 Feb 2014 03:34:41 -0500 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WAxwN-0008Dx-65; Wed, 05 Feb 2014 03:34:39 -0500 From: Glenn Morris To: "Sebastien Vauban" Subject: Re: bug#16644: 24.3.50; Can't get Git Org mode info files before info files bundled with Emacs References: <8661ourier.fsf@somewhere.org> <864n4egef9.fsf@somewhere.org> X-Spook: condor bemd LLNL spies CDMA supercomputer JSOFC3IP X-Ran: xI*j,EodnnCyf*T'Ad/;$Bn-OW`A>&_?]MT'GKPtSq}[^/n@R9T^h2b9TI?og (Sebastien Vauban's message of "Wed, 05 Feb 2014 09:19:06 +0100") Message-ID: <4mppn2c600.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -5.6 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 16644 Cc: 16644@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.6 (-----) "Sebastien Vauban" wrote: > Does that commit account as being the cause of BOTH problems? Please test revert it and see? > Which var am I supposed to customize: `Info-default-directory-list' or > `Info-additional-directory-list'? I was going to say `read the doc of Info-default-directory-list'; but owing to http://debbugs.gnu.org/11565 it doesn't have one, sigh. So you'll have ro read the doc in info.el itself. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Feb 05 03:57:47 2014 Received: (at 16644) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Feb 2014 08:57:47 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50147 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WAyIl-0005Vb-AI for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 05 Feb 2014 03:57:47 -0500 Received: from dd5e0353a.access.telenet.be ([213.224.53.58]:47764 helo=mail.missioncriticalit.com) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WAyIi-0005VQ-Nx for 16644@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 05 Feb 2014 03:57:45 -0500 Received: from MUNDANEUM.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me (unknown [10.10.10.51]) by mail.missioncriticalit.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5B239500661; Wed, 5 Feb 2014 10:00:28 +0100 (CET) From: "Sebastien Vauban" To: Glenn Morris Subject: Re: bug#16644: 24.3.50; Can't get Git Org mode info files before info files bundled with Emacs Organization: Sebastien Vauban References: <8661ourier.fsf@somewhere.org> <864n4egef9.fsf@somewhere.org> <4mppn2c600.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> X-Url: Under construction... X-Archive: encrypt Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2014 09:55:45 +0100 In-Reply-To: <4mppn2c600.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> (Glenn Morris's message of "Wed, 05 Feb 2014 03:34:39 -0500") Message-ID: <86ob2mey5q.fsf@somewhere.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (windows-nt) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 16644 Cc: 16644@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.7 (/) Glenn Morris wrote: > "Sebastien Vauban" wrote: > >> Does that commit account as being the cause of BOTH problems? > > Please test revert it and see? I'll do. >> Which var am I supposed to customize: `Info-default-directory-list' or >> `Info-additional-directory-list'? > > I was going to say `read the doc of Info-default-directory-list'; but > owing to http://debbugs.gnu.org/11565 it doesn't have one, sigh. > So you'll have ro read the doc in info.el itself. The docstring of `Info-default-directory-list' says: =E2=95=AD=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80 =E2=94=82 Although this is a customizable variable, that is mainly for te= chnical =E2=94=82 reasons. Normally, you should either set INFOPATH or customize =E2=94=82 `Info-additional-directory-list', rather than changing this var= iable. =E2=95=B0=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80 But that's was astonishes me: while setting `Info-default-directory-list' builds an wrongly ordered `Info-directory-list', setting `Info-additional-directory-list' had _no_ impact on `Info-directory-list'... Best regards, Seb --=20 Sebastien Vauban From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Feb 05 10:28:13 2014 Received: (at 16644) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Feb 2014 15:28:13 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51044 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WB4Ob-0008Ij-42 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 05 Feb 2014 10:28:13 -0500 Received: from dd5e0353a.access.telenet.be ([213.224.53.58]:44388 helo=mail.missioncriticalit.com) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WB4OY-0008Ia-Ob for 16644@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 05 Feb 2014 10:28:11 -0500 Received: from MUNDANEUM.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me (unknown [10.10.10.51]) by mail.missioncriticalit.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 45DE850061C; Wed, 5 Feb 2014 16:30:54 +0100 (CET) From: "Sebastien Vauban" To: Glenn Morris , 16644@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#16644: 24.3.50; Can't get Git Org mode info files before info files bundled with Emacs Organization: Sebastien Vauban References: <8661ourier.fsf@somewhere.org> <864n4egef9.fsf@somewhere.org> <4mppn2c600.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> X-Url: Under construction... X-Archive: encrypt Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2014 16:26:10 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Sebastien Vauban's message of "Wed, 05 Feb 2014 09:55:45 +0100") Message-ID: <861tzhbmy5.fsf@somewhere.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (windows-nt) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 16644 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.7 (/) "Sebastien Vauban" wrote: > Glenn Morris wrote: >> "Sebastien Vauban" wrote: >> >>> Does that commit account as being the cause of BOTH problems? >> >> Please test revert it and see? > > I'll do. DONE: that does have 0 impact on the results!? With or without that patch, there is nothing more added to `Info-directory-list', or it is added at its end. >>> Which var am I supposed to customize: `Info-default-directory-list' or >>> `Info-additional-directory-list'? >> >> I was going to say `read the doc of Info-default-directory-list'; but >> owing to http://debbugs.gnu.org/11565 it doesn't have one, sigh. >> So you'll have ro read the doc in info.el itself. > > The docstring of `Info-default-directory-list' says: > > =E2=95=AD=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80 > =E2=94=82 Although this is a customizable variable, that is mainly for = technical > =E2=94=82 reasons. Normally, you should either set INFOPATH or customi= ze > =E2=94=82 `Info-additional-directory-list', rather than changing this v= ariable. > =E2=95=B0=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80 > > But that's was astonishes me: while setting > `Info-default-directory-list' builds an wrongly ordered > `Info-directory-list', setting `Info-additional-directory-list' had _no_ > impact on `Info-directory-list'... What is supposed to be the right way in these conditions? Best regards, Seb --=20 Sebastien Vauban From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Feb 05 10:46:29 2014 Received: (at 16644) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Feb 2014 15:46:29 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51058 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WB4gH-0000LU-0n for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 05 Feb 2014 10:46:29 -0500 Received: from mtaout20.012.net.il ([80.179.55.166]:56257) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WB4gE-0000LJ-8d for 16644@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 05 Feb 2014 10:46:27 -0500 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout20.012.net.il by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0N0J00E004NIXH00@a-mtaout20.012.net.il> for 16644@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 05 Feb 2014 17:46:24 +0200 (IST) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0N0J00EAA55CCH80@a-mtaout20.012.net.il>; Wed, 05 Feb 2014 17:46:24 +0200 (IST) Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2014 17:46:19 +0200 From: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#16644: 24.3.50; Can't get Git Org mode info files before info files bundled with Emacs In-reply-to: <861tzhbmy5.fsf@somewhere.org> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il To: Sebastien Vauban Message-id: <83k3d91s1g.fsf@gnu.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT References: <8661ourier.fsf@somewhere.org> <864n4egef9.fsf@somewhere.org> <4mppn2c600.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <861tzhbmy5.fsf@somewhere.org> X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 16644 Cc: rgm@gnu.org, 16644@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) > From: "Sebastien Vauban" > Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2014 16:26:10 +0100 > > > The docstring of `Info-default-directory-list' says: > > > > ╭──── > > │ Although this is a customizable variable, that is mainly for technical > > │ reasons. Normally, you should either set INFOPATH or customize > > │ `Info-additional-directory-list', rather than changing this variable. > > ╰──── > > > > But that's was astonishes me: while setting > > `Info-default-directory-list' builds an wrongly ordered > > `Info-directory-list', setting `Info-additional-directory-list' had _no_ > > impact on `Info-directory-list'... > > What is supposed to be the right way in these conditions? Do you customize Info-additional-directory-list before or after info.elc is loaded? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Feb 05 11:14:09 2014 Received: (at 16644) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Feb 2014 16:14:09 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51071 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WB572-00011H-GC for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 05 Feb 2014 11:14:08 -0500 Received: from dd5e0353a.access.telenet.be ([213.224.53.58]:9554 helo=mail.missioncriticalit.com) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WB56z-000115-Tv for 16644@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 05 Feb 2014 11:14:06 -0500 Received: from MUNDANEUM.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me (unknown [10.10.10.51]) by mail.missioncriticalit.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7986C5009E8; Wed, 5 Feb 2014 17:16:49 +0100 (CET) From: "Sebastien Vauban" To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#16644: 24.3.50; Can't get Git Org mode info files before info files bundled with Emacs Organization: Sebastien Vauban References: <8661ourier.fsf@somewhere.org> <864n4egef9.fsf@somewhere.org> <4mppn2c600.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <861tzhbmy5.fsf@somewhere.org> <83k3d91s1g.fsf@gnu.org> X-Url: Under construction... X-Archive: encrypt Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2014 17:12:05 +0100 In-Reply-To: <83k3d91s1g.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Wed, 05 Feb 2014 17:46:19 +0200") Message-ID: <86k3d9a696.fsf_-_@somewhere.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (windows-nt) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 16644 Cc: rgm@gnu.org, 16644@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.7 (/) Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> From: "Sebastien Vauban" >> Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2014 16:26:10 +0100 >>=20 >> > The docstring of `Info-default-directory-list' says: >> > >> > =E2=95=AD=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80 >> > =E2=94=82 Although this is a customizable variable, that is mainly f= or technical >> > =E2=94=82 reasons. Normally, you should either set INFOPATH or cust= omize >> > =E2=94=82 `Info-additional-directory-list', rather than changing thi= s variable. >> > =E2=95=B0=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80 >> > >> > But that's was astonishes me: while setting >> > `Info-default-directory-list' builds an wrongly ordered >> > `Info-directory-list', setting `Info-additional-directory-list' had _n= o_ >> > impact on `Info-directory-list'... >>=20 >> What is supposed to be the right way in these conditions? > > Do you customize Info-additional-directory-list before or after > info.elc is loaded? Before, because it's in my minimal Emacs configuration file. When Emacs is up, `Info-directory-list' is not even known yet, proof that `info.el' has not yet been loaded. It is known once I do `C-h i'. Best regards, Seb --=20 Sebastien Vauban From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Feb 05 11:44:37 2014 Received: (at 16644) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Feb 2014 16:44:37 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51084 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WB5aX-0001lY-6r for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 05 Feb 2014 11:44:37 -0500 Received: from mtaout23.012.net.il ([80.179.55.175]:58100) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WB5aT-0001lO-VG for 16644@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 05 Feb 2014 11:44:35 -0500 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout23.012.net.il by a-mtaout23.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0N0J005007PEJV00@a-mtaout23.012.net.il> for 16644@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 05 Feb 2014 18:44:32 +0200 (IST) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout23.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0N0J005B47U7ID30@a-mtaout23.012.net.il>; Wed, 05 Feb 2014 18:44:32 +0200 (IST) Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2014 18:44:27 +0200 From: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#16644: 24.3.50; Can't get Git Org mode info files before info files bundled with Emacs In-reply-to: <86k3d9a696.fsf_-_@somewhere.org> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il To: Sebastien Vauban Message-id: <83fvnx1pck.fsf@gnu.org> References: <8661ourier.fsf@somewhere.org> <864n4egef9.fsf@somewhere.org> <4mppn2c600.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <861tzhbmy5.fsf@somewhere.org> <83k3d91s1g.fsf@gnu.org> <86k3d9a696.fsf_-_@somewhere.org> X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 16644 Cc: rgm@gnu.org, 16644@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) > From: "Sebastien Vauban" > Cc: rgm@gnu.org, 16644@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2014 17:12:05 +0100 > > > Do you customize Info-additional-directory-list before or after > > info.elc is loaded? > > Before, because it's in my minimal Emacs configuration file. Then it does has its influence, see Info-find-file and Info-insert-dir. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Feb 06 17:12:19 2014 Received: (at 16644) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Feb 2014 22:12:19 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53776 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WBXBC-0002F2-DW for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 06 Feb 2014 17:12:18 -0500 Received: from dd5e0353a.access.telenet.be ([213.224.53.58]:40216 helo=mail.missioncriticalit.com) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WBXB9-0002Es-T2 for 16644@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 06 Feb 2014 17:12:16 -0500 Received: from MUNDANEUM.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me (unknown [10.10.4.62]) by mail.missioncriticalit.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A7CC4500776; Thu, 6 Feb 2014 23:14:58 +0100 (CET) From: "Sebastien Vauban" To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#16644: 24.3.50; Can't get Git Org mode info files before info files bundled with Emacs Organization: Sebastien Vauban References: <8661ourier.fsf@somewhere.org> <864n4egef9.fsf@somewhere.org> <4mppn2c600.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <861tzhbmy5.fsf@somewhere.org> <83k3d91s1g.fsf@gnu.org> <86k3d9a696.fsf_-_@somewhere.org> <83fvnx1pck.fsf@gnu.org> X-Url: Under construction... X-Archive: encrypt Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2014 23:10:14 +0100 In-Reply-To: <83fvnx1pck.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Wed, 05 Feb 2014 18:44:27 +0200") Message-ID: <867g97q4e1.fsf@somewhere.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (windows-nt) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 16644 Cc: rgm@gnu.org, 16644@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.7 (/) Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> From: "Sebastien Vauban" >> Cc: rgm@gnu.org, 16644@debbugs.gnu.org >> Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2014 17:12:05 +0100 >>=20 >> > Do you customize Info-additional-directory-list before or after >> > info.elc is loaded? >>=20 >> Before, because it's in my minimal Emacs configuration file. > > Then it does has its influence, I re-did the tests with GNU Emacs 24.3.50.1 (i686-pc-mingw32) of 2014-02-03 on LEG570 (and a patched Info.el, as asked by Glenn). I have Org mode from Git installed at ~/Public/Repositories/org-mode/lisp. I have an up-to-date Info file (generated by "make doc") at ~/Public/Repositories/org-mode/doc/org. I checked that it's up-to-date by doing "info doc/org" from the root of the Git repository: it shows me the doc for Org mode 8.2.5h. 1. Setting `Info-additional-directory-list', such in this MWE (just that to launch Emacs with, nothing else [1]): --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- ;; Org-mode (add-to-list 'load-path "~/Public/Repositories/org-mode/lisp") ; modify the paths to suit your = environment! (setq Info-additional-directory-list `(,(expand-file-name (concat (file-name-directory (locate-library "org")) "../doc/"= )) "c:/cygwin/usr/share/info/")) --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- has NO IMPACT on Info-directory-list (C-h v following an initial C-h i). 2. Setting `Info-default-directory-list', such in this MWE: --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- ;; Org-mode (add-to-list 'load-path "~/Public/Repositories/org-mode/lisp") ; modify the paths to suit your = environment! (setq Info-default-directory-list `(,(expand-file-name (concat (file-name-directory (locate-library "org")) "../doc/"= )) "c:/cygwin/usr/share/info/" ,@Info-default-directory-list)) --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- DOES CHANGE the variable `Info-directory-list', but my path is put AFTERWARD: =E2=95=AD=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80 =E2=94=82 Its value is =E2=94=82 ("c:/Program Files (x86)/emacs-trunk/share/info/" =E2=94=82 "d:/Users/fni/Public/Repositories/org-mode/doc/" =E2=94=82 "c:/cygwin/usr/share/info/") =E2=95=B0=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80 In both cases, I get the doc of Org mode 8.2.5c, the one built with the Emacs from a couple of days ago. Don't you get the same results as me if you try the above recipe? > see Info-find-file and Info-insert-dir. Do you want me to make some specific test? Best regards, Seb [1] C:/Program Files (x86)/emacs-trunk/bin/emacs -q -l d:/Users/sva/src/ema= cs-leuven/.emacs-minimal.el --=20 Sebastien Vauban From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Feb 07 02:30:17 2014 Received: (at 16644) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Feb 2014 07:30:17 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54170 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WBftA-0004mg-B0 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 07 Feb 2014 02:30:16 -0500 Received: from mtaout29.012.net.il ([80.179.55.185]:42693) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WBft4-0004e2-71 for 16644@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 07 Feb 2014 02:30:14 -0500 Received: from conversion-daemon.mtaout29.012.net.il by mtaout29.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0N0M00B006YN8O00@mtaout29.012.net.il> for 16644@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 07 Feb 2014 09:32:05 +0200 (IST) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by mtaout29.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0N0M008EF7LHY640@mtaout29.012.net.il>; Fri, 07 Feb 2014 09:32:05 +0200 (IST) Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2014 09:30:08 +0200 From: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#16644: 24.3.50; Can't get Git Org mode info files before info files bundled with Emacs In-reply-to: <867g97q4e1.fsf@somewhere.org> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il To: Sebastien Vauban Message-id: <83vbwrxtvj.fsf@gnu.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT References: <8661ourier.fsf@somewhere.org> <864n4egef9.fsf@somewhere.org> <4mppn2c600.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <861tzhbmy5.fsf@somewhere.org> <83k3d91s1g.fsf@gnu.org> <86k3d9a696.fsf_-_@somewhere.org> <83fvnx1pck.fsf@gnu.org> <867g97q4e1.fsf@somewhere.org> X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 16644 Cc: rgm@gnu.org, 16644@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) > From: "Sebastien Vauban" > Cc: rgm@gnu.org, 16644@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2014 23:10:14 +0100 > > 1. Setting `Info-additional-directory-list', such in this MWE (just that > to launch Emacs with, nothing else [1]): > > --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- > ;; Org-mode > (add-to-list 'load-path "~/Public/Repositories/org-mode/lisp") > ; modify the paths to suit your environment! > > (setq Info-additional-directory-list > `(,(expand-file-name > (concat (file-name-directory (locate-library "org")) "../doc/")) > "c:/cygwin/usr/share/info/")) Any reasons why you use backticks here? > --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- > > has NO IMPACT on Info-directory-list (C-h v following an initial C-h i). It shouldn't: Emacs does not modify Info-directory-list using Info-additional-directory-list, it uses them both when appropriate, and searches Info-directory-list first, followed by Info-additional-directory-list. Like the doc string of Info-additional-directory-list says: List of additional directories to search for Info documentation files. These directories are searched after those in `Info-directory-list'. > 2. Setting `Info-default-directory-list', such in this MWE: > > --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- > ;; Org-mode > (add-to-list 'load-path "~/Public/Repositories/org-mode/lisp") > ; modify the paths to suit your environment! > > (setq Info-default-directory-list > `(,(expand-file-name > (concat (file-name-directory (locate-library "org")) "../doc/")) > "c:/cygwin/usr/share/info/" > ,@Info-default-directory-list)) > --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- > > DOES CHANGE the variable `Info-directory-list', but my path is put > AFTERWARD: > > ╭──── > │ Its value is > │ ("c:/Program Files (x86)/emacs-trunk/share/info/" > │ "d:/Users/fni/Public/Repositories/org-mode/doc/" > │ "c:/cygwin/usr/share/info/") > ╰──── > > In both cases, I get the doc of Org mode 8.2.5c, the one built with the > Emacs from a couple of days ago. > > Don't you get the same results as me if you try the above recipe? These results are expected, I think. The doc string of Info-directory-list says, among other things: If you want to override the order of directories in `Info-default-directory-list', set INFOPATH in the environment. So I suggest to do just that. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Feb 07 03:22:33 2014 Received: (at 16644) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Feb 2014 08:22:33 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54248 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WBghk-0008DM-4C for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 07 Feb 2014 03:22:32 -0500 Received: from dd5e0353a.access.telenet.be ([213.224.53.58]:12191 helo=mail.missioncriticalit.com) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WBghd-0008D3-AT for 16644@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 07 Feb 2014 03:22:29 -0500 Received: from MUNDANEUM.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me (unknown [10.10.10.51]) by mail.missioncriticalit.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9E8DF500B99; Fri, 7 Feb 2014 09:22:23 +0100 (CET) From: "Sebastien Vauban" To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#16644: 24.3.50; Can't get Git Org mode info files before info files bundled with Emacs Organization: Sebastien Vauban References: <8661ourier.fsf@somewhere.org> <864n4egef9.fsf@somewhere.org> <4mppn2c600.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <861tzhbmy5.fsf@somewhere.org> <83k3d91s1g.fsf@gnu.org> <86k3d9a696.fsf_-_@somewhere.org> <83fvnx1pck.fsf@gnu.org> <867g97q4e1.fsf@somewhere.org> <83vbwrxtvj.fsf@gnu.org> X-Url: Under construction... X-Archive: encrypt Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2014 09:20:21 +0100 In-Reply-To: <83vbwrxtvj.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Fri, 07 Feb 2014 09:30:08 +0200") Message-ID: <8638jvpc56.fsf@somewhere.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (windows-nt) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 16644 Cc: rgm@gnu.org, 16644@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.7 (/) Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> From: "Sebastien Vauban" >> Cc: rgm@gnu.org, 16644@debbugs.gnu.org >> Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2014 23:10:14 +0100 >>=20 >> 1. Setting `Info-additional-directory-list', such in this MWE (just that >> to launch Emacs with, nothing else [1]): >>=20 >> --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- >> ;; Org-mode >> (add-to-list 'load-path "~/Public/Repositories/org-mode/lisp") >> ; modify the paths to suit yo= ur environment! >>=20 >> (setq Info-additional-directory-list >> `(,(expand-file-name >> (concat (file-name-directory (locate-library "org")) "../do= c/")) >> "c:/cygwin/usr/share/info/")) > > Any reasons why you use backticks here? In fact, no. That comes from a copy/paste of what I did with `Info-default-directory-list'. Useless indeed, but shouldn't matter. >> --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- >>=20 >> has NO IMPACT on Info-directory-list (C-h v following an initial C-h = i). > > It shouldn't: Emacs does not modify Info-directory-list using > Info-additional-directory-list, it uses them both when appropriate, > and searches Info-directory-list first, followed by > Info-additional-directory-list. Like the doc string of > Info-additional-directory-list says: > > List of additional directories to search for Info documentation files. > These directories are searched after those in `Info-directory-list'. OK, that's clear to me (now) for that one. >> 2. Setting `Info-default-directory-list', such in this MWE: >>=20 >> --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- >> ;; Org-mode >> (add-to-list 'load-path "~/Public/Repositories/org-mode/lisp") >> ; modify the paths to suit yo= ur environment! >>=20 >> (setq Info-default-directory-list >> `(,(expand-file-name >> (concat (file-name-directory (locate-library "org")) "../do= c/")) >> "c:/cygwin/usr/share/info/" >> ,@Info-default-directory-list)) >> --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- >>=20 >> DOES CHANGE the variable `Info-directory-list', but my path is put >> AFTERWARD: >>=20 >> =E2=95=AD=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80 >> =E2=94=82 Its value is >> =E2=94=82 ("c:/Program Files (x86)/emacs-trunk/share/info/" >> =E2=94=82 "d:/Users/fni/Public/Repositories/org-mode/doc/" >> =E2=94=82 "c:/cygwin/usr/share/info/") >> =E2=95=B0=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80 >>=20 >> In both cases, I get the doc of Org mode 8.2.5c, the one built with the >> Emacs from a couple of days ago. >>=20 >> Don't you get the same results as me if you try the above recipe? > > These results are expected, I think. The doc string of > Info-directory-list says, among other things: > > If you want to override the order of directories in > `Info-default-directory-list', set INFOPATH in the environment. > > So I suggest to do just that. I think I did, no!? The docstring says: - set `Info-default-directory-list', or - set INFOPATH environment variable. As I want to be able to easily use my Emacs in different machines, or even different OSes, I chose to set the `Info-default-directory-list' variable (one of the two choices adviced by the docstring), so that everything is in my `.emacs' configuration file. However, while I set the order of directories to be: 1. first the Info files from Org mode Git, then 2. from Cygwin tools, then 3. the ones built within Emacs, I expect to just get that in `Info-directory-list'. It isn't the case. So, is there a way to put my Info files before the ones from Emacs? Best regards, Seb --=20 Sebastien Vauban From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Feb 07 03:41:56 2014 Received: (at 16644) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Feb 2014 08:41:56 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54266 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WBh0U-0000GW-Kc for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 07 Feb 2014 03:41:55 -0500 Received: from mtaout28.012.net.il ([80.179.55.184]:60800) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WBh0R-0000GK-OY for 16644@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 07 Feb 2014 03:41:52 -0500 Received: from conversion-daemon.mtaout28.012.net.il by mtaout28.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0N0M00700AU9YE00@mtaout28.012.net.il> for 16644@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 07 Feb 2014 10:43:00 +0200 (IST) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by mtaout28.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0N0M003LQAVN7U40@mtaout28.012.net.il>; Fri, 07 Feb 2014 10:43:00 +0200 (IST) Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2014 10:41:50 +0200 From: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#16644: 24.3.50; Can't get Git Org mode info files before info files bundled with Emacs In-reply-to: <8638jvpc56.fsf@somewhere.org> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il To: Sebastien Vauban Message-id: <83ob2jxqk1.fsf@gnu.org> References: <8661ourier.fsf@somewhere.org> <864n4egef9.fsf@somewhere.org> <4mppn2c600.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <861tzhbmy5.fsf@somewhere.org> <83k3d91s1g.fsf@gnu.org> <86k3d9a696.fsf_-_@somewhere.org> <83fvnx1pck.fsf@gnu.org> <867g97q4e1.fsf@somewhere.org> <83vbwrxtvj.fsf@gnu.org> <8638jvpc56.fsf@somewhere.org> X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 16644 Cc: rgm@gnu.org, 16644@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) > From: "Sebastien Vauban" > Cc: rgm@gnu.org, 16644@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2014 09:20:21 +0100 > > However, while I set the order of directories to be: > > 1. first the Info files from Org mode Git, then > 2. from Cygwin tools, then > 3. the ones built within Emacs, > > I expect to just get that in `Info-directory-list'. It isn't the case. > > So, is there a way to put my Info files before the ones from Emacs? It was possible before this commit: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-diffs/2014-01/msg00130.html Now it isn't: the Emacs's own Info directory is always at the front, like Glenn told you in his response to your original bug report. However, you could perhaps rearrange Info-directory-list in an Info mode hook, or directly. Or just overwrite the manuals that came with Emacs with your local ones. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Feb 07 11:10:58 2014 Received: (at 16644) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Feb 2014 16:10:58 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55248 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WBo13-0005JB-HO for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 07 Feb 2014 11:10:58 -0500 Received: from dd5e0353a.access.telenet.be ([213.224.53.58]:60708 helo=mail.missioncriticalit.com) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WBo0z-0005Ir-GP for 16644@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 07 Feb 2014 11:10:54 -0500 Received: from MUNDANEUM.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me (unknown [10.10.10.51]) by mail.missioncriticalit.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 623FF500F11; Fri, 7 Feb 2014 17:10:47 +0100 (CET) From: "Sebastien Vauban" To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#16644: 24.3.50; Can't get Git Org mode info files before info files bundled with Emacs Organization: Sebastien Vauban References: <8661ourier.fsf@somewhere.org> <864n4egef9.fsf@somewhere.org> <4mppn2c600.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <861tzhbmy5.fsf@somewhere.org> <83k3d91s1g.fsf@gnu.org> <86k3d9a696.fsf_-_@somewhere.org> <83fvnx1pck.fsf@gnu.org> <867g97q4e1.fsf@somewhere.org> <83vbwrxtvj.fsf@gnu.org> <8638jvpc56.fsf@somewhere.org> <83ob2jxqk1.fsf@gnu.org> X-Url: Under construction... X-Archive: encrypt Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2014 17:08:45 +0100 In-Reply-To: <83ob2jxqk1.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Fri, 07 Feb 2014 10:41:50 +0200") Message-ID: <86a9e2oqgi.fsf@somewhere.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (windows-nt) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 16644 Cc: rgm@gnu.org, 16644@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.7 (/) Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> From: "Sebastien Vauban" >> Cc: rgm@gnu.org, 16644@debbugs.gnu.org >> Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2014 09:20:21 +0100 >>=20 >> However, while I set the order of directories to be: >>=20 >> 1. first the Info files from Org mode Git, then >> 2. from Cygwin tools, then >> 3. the ones built within Emacs, >>=20 >> I expect to just get that in `Info-directory-list'. It isn't the case. >>=20 >> So, is there a way to put my Info files before the ones from Emacs? > > It was possible before this commit: > > http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-diffs/2014-01/msg00130.html > > Now it isn't: the Emacs's own Info directory is always at the front, > like Glenn told you in his response to your original bug report. > > However, you could perhaps rearrange Info-directory-list in an Info > mode hook, or directly. Or just overwrite the manuals that came with > Emacs with your local ones. Let's try to summarize: - If I'm OK with having my Info files after the Emacs ones, I can use `Info-additional-directory-list' which serves that purpose. - If I'm not OK with that, I must fiddle the value of `Info-directory-list', in the following way (which works in my case): --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- (with-eval-after-load "info" (setq Info-directory-list `(,(expand-file-name (concat (file-name-directory (locate-library "org")) "../doc/")) "c:/cygwin/usr/share/info/" ,@Info-directory-list))) --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- So, what's the point of still having `Info-default-directory-list'??? In all cases, I'm not sure its docstring is right anymore: =E2=95=AD=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80 =E2=94=82 Default list of directories to search for Info documentation fi= les. =E2=94=82 They are searched in the order they are given in the list. =E2=94=82 Therefore, the directory of Info files that come with Emacs =E2=94=82 normally should come last (so that local files override standar= d ones), =E2=94=82 unless Emacs is installed into a non-standard directory. In th= e latter =E2=94=82 case, the directory of Info files that come with Emacs should be =E2=94=82 first in this list. =E2=95=B0=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80 Or am I in the case where "Emacs is installed into a non-standard directory"? I have the impression that yes, it's so, if I look at the mentioned consequences. But I don't have the impression it's installed in a non-standard directory if I look at the Windows conventions (it's, here, in C:\Program Files (x86)). Best regards, Seb --=20 Sebastien Vauban From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Feb 14 23:00:05 2014 Received: (at 16644-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Feb 2014 04:00:05 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52822 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WEWQ7-0007Ku-BA for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 14 Feb 2014 23:00:04 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:37723 ident=Debian-exim) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WEWQ3-0007KK-PW for 16644-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 14 Feb 2014 23:00:00 -0500 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WEWQ2-0001K7-SW; Fri, 14 Feb 2014 22:59:58 -0500 From: Glenn Morris To: 16644-done@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#16644: 24.3.50; Can't get Git Org mode info files before info files bundled with Emacs References: <8661ourier.fsf@somewhere.org> X-Spook: ANZUS class struggle keyhole SEAL Team 6 crypto anarchy X-Ran: MzXgxiaw|zt's[m#a@,)k*$j'A`bfjUojQ9{KR)O&+9=,UsxVU%sW~en@QfYtTUHxzON7f X-Hue: blue X-Attribution: GM Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2014 22:59:58 -0500 In-Reply-To: (Glenn Morris's message of "Wed, 05 Feb 2014 00:50:02 -0500") Message-ID: <26r475rpoh.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -5.7 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 16644-done X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.7 (-----) Glenn Morris wrote: > If you are running uninstalled, I expect > > http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-diffs/2014-01/msg00130.html > > is to blame. It should probably be reverted anyway. Done. From unknown Sun Sep 07 15:32:50 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2014 11:24:04 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator