From unknown Tue Jun 17 20:15:23 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#16574 <16574@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#16574 <16574@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: 24.3.50; icon not shown on the splash screen (mac osx) Reply-To: bug#16574 <16574@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2025 03:15:23 +0000 retitle 16574 24.3.50; icon not shown on the splash screen (mac osx) reassign 16574 emacs submitter 16574 Darren Hoo severity 16574 minor thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jan 27 21:49:18 2014 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Jan 2014 02:49:18 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38592 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1W7yjl-0006nY-3X for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 27 Jan 2014 21:49:17 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:37904) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1W7yji-0006nP-9p for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 27 Jan 2014 21:49:15 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W7yjg-0003vl-GC for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 27 Jan 2014 21:49:13 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,FREEMAIL_FROM, HTML_MESSAGE,T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:56501) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W7yjg-0003vg-Ci for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 27 Jan 2014 21:49:12 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:39626) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W7yjf-0007Hh-0T for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 27 Jan 2014 21:49:12 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W7yjd-0003vQ-O8 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 27 Jan 2014 21:49:10 -0500 Received: from mail-wg0-x233.google.com ([2a00:1450:400c:c00::233]:59732) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W7yjd-0003vI-Cd for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 27 Jan 2014 21:49:09 -0500 Received: by mail-wg0-f51.google.com with SMTP id z12so6634066wgg.6 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2014 18:49:07 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=XTmre8MEdnemZrziGPsSbnoa8dxragzfQyJeCKytH6Y=; b=epdPNGZ16KFC+ktcf8LN4YXq+QXcJ8iixttkXDaZbMDSpzYNyk7t1/c1TrQtP7DBTm e6iLxLtikbmBFOehA9WLkDJoJNQxWfZ/a//FW4Z56k5gNz1+hwDnzpT9ZUMepHMd0QdR PFK31/bxxsiqASglepUIIuz/dVrllTLRjOkYsdt7Ak1L80T/FhQaD/I5W3IPcA/YMyrW hGG9pAMVcvwJ1rdg/+/4xb04WZg9liuNL/269Yyc10TkQM/g1bukJV/ztbMQITsPAHkc F7GEjfNlSGMLReQpnJRlliLgpvBL8TUxmgvo3qByXKicKF82y2PCIXUrLHrlpkZhH10W hAGw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.108.198 with SMTP id hm6mr6420416wjb.33.1390877347842; Mon, 27 Jan 2014 18:49:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.194.104.231 with HTTP; Mon, 27 Jan 2014 18:49:07 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 10:49:07 +0800 Message-ID: Subject: 24.3.50; icon not shown on the splash screen (mac osx) From: Darren Hoo To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bf10b523e917004f0fede6c X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) --047d7bf10b523e917004f0fede6c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 open /Applications/Emacs.app --args -q the emacs icon on the fancy splash screen (*GNU Emacs*) is missing, try to increase the frame size a little bit then press `c-h c-a', the icon is back, however if decrease the frame size to some size less or equal to the initial startup size and press `c-h c-a' the icon is lost again. In GNU Emacs 24.3.50.79 (x86_64-apple-darwin13.0.0, NS apple-appkit-1265.00) of 2014-01-28 on darren-rmbp Repository revision: 116181 rgm@gnu.org-20140128014902-1z6jns5bv3qnug09 Windowing system distributor `Apple', version 10.3.1265 Configured using: `configure --with-ns' Important settings: value of $LANG: en_US.UTF-8 locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix Major mode: Fundamental Minor modes in effect: tooltip-mode: t electric-indent-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t tool-bar-mode: t menu-bar-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t blink-cursor-mode: t auto-composition-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t buffer-read-only: t line-number-mode: t transient-mark-mode: t Recent input: C-h C-a C-h C-a C-h C-a M-x r e p o r t Recent messages: For information about GNU Emacs and the GNU system, type C-h C-a. byte-code: Beginning of buffer [38 times] Load-path shadows: None found. 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open /Applications/Emacs.app --args -q

=
the emacs icon on the fancy splash screen (*GNU Emacs*) is missi= ng, try to
increase the frame size a little bit then press `c-h c= -a', the icon is back,
however if decrease the frame size to some size less or equal to the i= nitial
startup size and press `c-h c-a' the icon is lost agai= n.



In GNU Emacs 24.3= .50.79 (x86_64-apple-darwin13.0.0, NS apple-appkit-1265.00)
=A0of 2014-01-28 on darren-rmbp
Repository revision: 116181 = rgm@gnu.org-20140128014902-1z6jns5bv3qnug09
Windowing system dist= ributor `Apple', version 10.3.1265
Configured using:
=A0`configure --with-ns'

Important settings:
=A0 value of $LANG: en_US.UTF-8
=A0 locale-coding-system= : utf-8-unix

Major mode: Fundamental
Minor modes in effect:
=A0 tooltip-mode: t
=A0 ele= ctric-indent-mode: t
=A0 mouse-wheel-mode: t
=A0 tool-b= ar-mode: t
=A0 menu-bar-mode: t
=A0 file-name-shadow-mo= de: t
=A0 global-font-lock-mode: t
=A0 blink-cursor-mode: t
<= div>=A0 auto-composition-mode: t
=A0 auto-encryption-mode: t
=A0 auto-compression-mode: t
=A0 buffer-read-only: t
<= div>=A0 line-number-mode: t
=A0 transient-mark-mode: t

Recent input:
C-h C-a <help-echo> C-h C-a <help-echo> <down-mouse-1&= gt;=A0
<mouse-1> C-h C-a <wheel-up> <double-wheel-= up> <triple-wheel-up>=A0
<triple-wheel-up> <triple-wheel-up> <triple-wheel-up>= ;=A0
<triple-wheel-up> <triple-wheel-up> <triple-w= heel-up>=A0
<triple-wheel-up> <triple-wheel-up> &l= t;triple-wheel-up>=A0
<triple-wheel-up> <triple-wheel-up> <triple-wheel-up>= ;=A0
<triple-wheel-up> <help-echo> <wheel-up> &= lt;double-wheel-up>=A0
<triple-wheel-up> <triple-whee= l-up> <triple-wheel-up>=A0
<triple-wheel-up> <triple-wheel-up> <triple-wheel-up>= ;=A0
<triple-wheel-up> <triple-wheel-up> <triple-w= heel-up>=A0
<triple-wheel-up> <triple-wheel-up> &l= t;triple-wheel-up>=A0
<triple-wheel-up> <triple-wheel-up> <triple-wheel-up>= ;=A0
<triple-wheel-up> <triple-wheel-up> <triple-w= heel-up>=A0
<triple-wheel-up> <triple-wheel-up> M-= x r e p o r t=A0
<tab> <return>

Recent messages:
For information about GNU Emacs and the GNU system, type C-h C-a.<= /div>
byte-code: Beginning of buffer [38 times]

Load-path shadows:
None found.

Feat= ures:
(shadow sort gnus-util mail-extr emacsbug message format-sp= ec rfc822 mml
easymenu mml-sec mm-decode mm-bodies mm-encode mail= -parse rfc2231
mailabbrev gmm-utils mailheader sendmail rfc2047 rfc2045 ietf-drums
mm-util help-fns mail-prsvr mail-utils time-date tooltip electric
uniquify ediff-hook vc-hooks lisp-float-type mwheel ns-win tool-ba= r dnd
fontset image regexp-opt fringe tabulated-list newcomment lisp-mode
prog-mode register page menu-bar rfn-eshadow timer select scroll-ba= r
mouse jit-lock font-lock syntax facemenu font-core frame cham g= eorgian
utf-8-lang misc-lang vietnamese tibetan thai tai-viet lao korean
=
japanese hebrew greek romanian slovak czech european ethiopic indian
cyrillic chinese case-table epa-hook jka-cmpr-hook help simple abb= rev
minibuffer nadvice loaddefs button faces cus-face macroexp files
=
text-properties overlay sha1 md5 base64 format env code-pages mule
custom widget hashtable-print-readable backquote make-network-proces= s
cocoa ns multi-tty emacs)

--047d7bf10b523e917004f0fede6c-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jan 27 21:54:05 2014 Received: (at 16574) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Jan 2014 02:54:06 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38597 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1W7yoP-0006vR-BI for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 27 Jan 2014 21:54:05 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:35467) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1W7yoN-0006vI-0E for 16574@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 27 Jan 2014 21:54:03 -0500 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W7yoM-0004XO-9q; Mon, 27 Jan 2014 21:54:02 -0500 From: Glenn Morris To: Darren Hoo Subject: Re: bug#16574: 24.3.50; icon not shown on the splash screen (mac osx) References: X-Spook: TELINT NORAD Medco undercover USCOI SRI Zachawi Fedayeen X-Ran: bNO!6@u^XWb"Mt8wx/8sZ|2htX^k"&15ERR+\^eWg4iRa%U|\Wv (Darren Hoo's message of "Tue, 28 Jan 2014 10:49:07 +0800") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -5.5 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 16574 Cc: 16574@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.5 (-----) Darren Hoo wrote: > open /Applications/Emacs.app --args -q > > the emacs icon on the fancy splash screen (*GNU Emacs*) is missing, try to > increase the frame size a little bit then press `c-h c-a', the icon is back, > however if decrease the frame size to some size less or equal to the initial > startup size and press `c-h c-a' the icon is lost again. I don't think this is a bug, and AFAIK it has been like this for some time. The image is not shown if the frame seems to be too small. See use-fancy-splash-screens-p. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jan 27 23:54:49 2014 Received: (at 16574) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Jan 2014 04:54:49 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38622 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1W80hF-0001Pf-Ap for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 27 Jan 2014 23:54:49 -0500 Received: from mail-wg0-f54.google.com ([74.125.82.54]:33044) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1W80hD-0001PX-Gc for 16574@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 27 Jan 2014 23:54:48 -0500 Received: by mail-wg0-f54.google.com with SMTP id x13so6759084wgg.21 for <16574@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 27 Jan 2014 20:54:46 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=8GFCVGwajAp2m8EX6tK+o1kt9coN0clZRcVLssvrhvY=; b=pHD99bj5B2GiGKgP7dElQfG9+MnTsrRxtNFq/BtGW1IySCl6yilHVj4ORf3BYVJaSD jhz//ejErqf0i7y6R38MkHOk8E1prtalrLtop89cWP9c4TXsyxG2H4tsaO9rtHNDEA4L v77wcFenUwn162vfTqh2nqmrmKI0ct7FvHKMgdmRS0ZB695tFsf3b8mqw79s0ra592/e 8TFLAr9w7sxjVDZJyWs69yRz6jWTJoZMAPlOVCLmA3zJ9S9ja45l4f7R+fdBCk+LPz21 bW2pk5wUWxNImx0WKuLqpIAkptcF6wEWXDio7n10HkDmmvNGW7aiU6jdiMpJqL0A7fk3 UiZw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.12.115 with SMTP id x19mr4539056wib.19.1390884886444; Mon, 27 Jan 2014 20:54:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.194.104.231 with HTTP; Mon, 27 Jan 2014 20:54:46 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 12:54:46 +0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#16574: 24.3.50; icon not shown on the splash screen (mac osx) From: Darren Hoo To: Glenn Morris Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c23f34947f8204f1009f84 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 16574 Cc: 16574@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) --001a11c23f34947f8204f1009f84 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 10:54 AM, Glenn Morris wrote: > Darren Hoo wrote: > > > open /Applications/Emacs.app --args -q > > > > the emacs icon on the fancy splash screen (*GNU Emacs*) is missing, try > to > > increase the frame size a little bit then press `c-h c-a', the icon is > back, > > however if decrease the frame size to some size less or equal to the > initial > > startup size and press `c-h c-a' the icon is lost again. > > I don't think this is a bug, and AFAIK it has been like this for some time. > The image is not shown if the frame seems to be too small. > See use-fancy-splash-screens-p. > OK, I see. Though use-fancy-splash-screens-p is not strictly correct on this. If I force it to use splash screen: (defun use-fancy-splash-screens-p () t) And examine these values of the splash screen on the initial startup frame: (window-pixel-height) => 476 (cdr (window-text-pixel-size (selected-window) nil nil nil nil t)) ; include mode-line => 462 it has plenty room for display. --001a11c23f34947f8204f1009f84 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable



On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 10:54 AM, Glenn Morris &l= t;rgm@gnu.org> wrote:
Darren Hoo wrote:

> open /Applications/Emacs.app --args -q
>
> the emacs icon on the fancy splash screen (*GNU Emacs*) is missing, tr= y to
> increase the frame size a little bit then press `c-h c-a', the ico= n is back,
> however if decrease the frame size to some size less or equal to the i= nitial
> startup size and press `c-h c-a' the icon is lost again.

I don't think this is a bug, and AFAIK it has been like this for some t= ime.
The image is not shown if the frame seems to be too small.
See use-fancy-splash-screens-p.

OK, I see.
Though use-fancy-splash-screens-p is not strictly c= orrect on this.
If =A0I force it to use= splash screen:

(defu= n use-fancy-splash-screens-p () t)

=
And examine these values of the splash scr= een on the initial startup=A0
frame:

(window-pixel-height= )
=A0=3D> 476

(cdr (window-text-pixel-size
=A0 =A0 =A0 (selected-window) nil nil nil nil t)) ; include mo= de-line
=A0=3D> 462

=
it has plenty room for display.
--001a11c23f34947f8204f1009f84-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jan 28 10:51:00 2014 Received: (at 16574) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Jan 2014 15:51:00 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39415 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1W8AwG-0003Te-4S for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 28 Jan 2014 10:51:00 -0500 Received: from mtaout21.012.net.il ([80.179.55.169]:32834) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1W8AwB-0003TS-F8 for 16574@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 28 Jan 2014 10:50:56 -0500 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout21.012.net.il by a-mtaout21.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0N0400I00BQ48200@a-mtaout21.012.net.il> for 16574@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 28 Jan 2014 17:50:53 +0200 (IST) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout21.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0N0400IALC0R6K50@a-mtaout21.012.net.il>; Tue, 28 Jan 2014 17:50:51 +0200 (IST) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 17:50:47 +0200 From: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#16574: 24.3.50; icon not shown on the splash screen (mac osx) In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il To: Darren Hoo Message-id: <83ppnc85rc.fsf@gnu.org> References: X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 16574 Cc: 16574@debbugs.gnu.org, rgm@gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) > Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 12:54:46 +0800 > From: Darren Hoo > Cc: 16574@debbugs.gnu.org > > > I don't think this is a bug, and AFAIK it has been like this for some time. > > The image is not shown if the frame seems to be too small. > > See use-fancy-splash-screens-p. > > > > OK, I see. > Though use-fancy-splash-screens-p is not strictly correct on this. > If I force it to use splash screen: > > (defun use-fancy-splash-screens-p () t) > > And examine these values of the splash screen on the initial startup > frame: > > (window-pixel-height) > => 476 > > (cdr (window-text-pixel-size > (selected-window) nil nil nil nil t)) ; include mode-line > => 462 > > it has plenty room for display. How do you deduce that this is enough? splash.xpm needs 217 pixels on my system, and use-fancy-splash-screens-p reserves 19 more lines for text, which on my system need 19 x 16 = 304 more pixels. The sum is greater than either 462 or 476, so it sounds to me like use-fancy-splash-screens-p is right. (On my system, the window is 528 pixel high, which is indeed greater than 217 + 304.) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jan 28 18:52:18 2014 Received: (at 16574) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Jan 2014 23:52:18 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39652 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1W8IS1-0000yT-Cx for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 28 Jan 2014 18:52:18 -0500 Received: from mail-wg0-f41.google.com ([74.125.82.41]:46274) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1W8IRx-0000yE-7N for 16574@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 28 Jan 2014 18:52:14 -0500 Received: by mail-wg0-f41.google.com with SMTP id n12so7053330wgh.0 for <16574@debbugs.gnu.org>; Tue, 28 Jan 2014 15:52:11 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=wSvagDRgH7IkTVBVgUvj8GKMzFCmCW3aykbgfYW08Gc=; b=Otrpd7IjhpH6CyluFBl7KoF5k9lxZgFxAlw3gCsUqx8fWB5QToeC7v8+xPCxE7nkUZ 3wiODZBUEY26+0Il/yqdzODxaO2PXFFrgSqbBPp1ZiL1/yS46tU77TsHBKwg0WbZU3Wn cJ4mJf7V7H923onrpvaiBEc3ujM0VgSgzrGKf8FatUoNdhxXaHKkrUXexq4JtZCA8iN2 jW2JIhLjgn+b6uSY16AI81km3hSmLoq4cocQMafcYO8WMye2b41XPvupqwXRivaku5om ZqIDI5keVOsM8wds2WKK+YUBNx1fPTvzS2Ld3RXun1J+cKGjhHwoK/LnpmOJpuCLgF5i 9+SQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.76.134 with SMTP id k6mr2724511wjw.32.1390953131785; Tue, 28 Jan 2014 15:52:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.194.104.231 with HTTP; Tue, 28 Jan 2014 15:52:11 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <83ppnc85rc.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83ppnc85rc.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 07:52:11 +0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#16574: 24.3.50; icon not shown on the splash screen (mac osx) From: Darren Hoo To: Eli Zaretskii Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bfcf01651c67504f11083d3 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 16574 Cc: 16574@debbugs.gnu.org, Glenn Morris X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) --047d7bfcf01651c67504f11083d3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 11:50 PM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 12:54:46 +0800 > > From: Darren Hoo > > Cc: 16574@debbugs.gnu.org > > > > > I don't think this is a bug, and AFAIK it has been like this for some > time. > > > The image is not shown if the frame seems to be too small. > > > See use-fancy-splash-screens-p. > > > > > > > OK, I see. > > Though use-fancy-splash-screens-p is not strictly correct on this. > > If I force it to use splash screen: > > > > (defun use-fancy-splash-screens-p () t) > > > > And examine these values of the splash screen on the initial startup > > frame: > > > > (window-pixel-height) > > => 476 > > > > (cdr (window-text-pixel-size > > (selected-window) nil nil nil nil t)) ; include mode-line > > => 462 > > > > it has plenty room for display. > > How do you deduce that this is enough? I can see that on my system the splash screen fits the frame quite well in one page. window-text-pixel-size (462) above returns the height of the text displayed, that counts the height of the splash image and the window-pixel-height is 476 > 462, both inludes the height of the modeline. > splash.xpm needs 217 pixels on > my system, and use-fancy-splash-screens-p reserves 19 more lines for > text, which on my system need 19 x 16 = 304 more pixels. The sum is > greater than either 462 or 476, so it sounds to me like Which splash file on your system is actually used for display? The problem is that use-fancy-splash-screens-p uses splash.xpm to determine the image height which is 217 pixel high, while on my system splash.png (188 pixel high) is actually used (since it's more fancier than the xpm one). I think it's better for use-fancy-splash-screens-p and fancy-splash-head to use the same file: === modified file 'lisp/startup.el' --- lisp/startup.el 2014-01-01 07:43:34 +0000 +++ lisp/startup.el 2014-01-28 23:09:37 +0000 @@ -1590,24 +1590,28 @@ (declare-function image-size "image.c" (spec &optional pixels frame)) + +(defun fancy-splash-file () + (cond ((stringp fancy-splash-image) + fancy-splash-image) + ((display-color-p) + (cond ((<= (display-planes) 8) + (if (image-type-available-p 'xpm) + "splash.xpm" + "splash.pbm")) + ((or (image-type-available-p 'svg) + (image-type-available-p 'imagemagick)) + "splash.svg") + ((image-type-available-p 'png) + "splash.png") + ((image-type-available-p 'xpm) + "splash.xpm") + (t "splash.pbm"))) + (t "splash.pbm"))) + (defun fancy-splash-head () "Insert the head part of the splash screen into the current buffer." - (let* ((image-file (cond ((stringp fancy-splash-image) - fancy-splash-image) - ((display-color-p) - (cond ((<= (display-planes) 8) - (if (image-type-available-p 'xpm) - "splash.xpm" - "splash.pbm")) - ((or (image-type-available-p 'svg) - (image-type-available-p 'imagemagick)) - "splash.svg") - ((image-type-available-p 'png) - "splash.png") - ((image-type-available-p 'xpm) - "splash.xpm") - (t "splash.pbm"))) - (t "splash.pbm"))) + (let* ((image-file (fancy-splash-file)) (img (create-image image-file)) (image-width (and img (car (image-size img)))) (window-width (window-width))) @@ -1805,22 +1809,16 @@ (defun use-fancy-splash-screens-p () "Return t if fancy splash screens should be used." - (when (and (display-graphic-p) - (or (and (display-color-p) - (image-type-available-p 'xpm)) - (image-type-available-p 'pbm))) - (let ((frame (fancy-splash-frame))) - (when frame - (let* ((img (create-image (or fancy-splash-image - (if (and (display-color-p) - (image-type-available-p 'xpm)) - "splash.xpm" "splash.pbm")))) - (image-height (and img (cdr (image-size img nil frame)))) - ;; We test frame-height so that, if the frame is split - ;; by displaying a warning, that doesn't cause the normal - ;; splash screen to be used. - (frame-height (1- (frame-height frame)))) - (> frame-height (+ image-height 19))))))) + (and (display-graphic-p) + (let ((frame (fancy-splash-frame))) + (when frame + (let* ((img (create-image (fancy-splash-file))) + (image-height (and img (cdr (image-size img nil frame)))) + ;; We test frame-height so that, if the frame is split + ;; by displaying a warning, that doesn't cause the normal + ;; splash screen to be used. + (frame-height (1- (frame-height frame)))) + (> frame-height (+ image-height 19))))))) (defun normal-splash-screen (&optional startup concise) --047d7bfcf01651c67504f11083d3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 11:50 PM, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org= > wrote:
> Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 12:54:46 +0800
> From: Darren Hoo <darren.hoo@gmail.com>
> Cc: 16574@d= ebbugs.gnu.org
>
> > I don't think this is a bug, and AFAIK it has been like this = for some time.
> > The image is not shown if the frame seems to be too small.
> > See use-fancy-splash-screens-p.
> >
>
> OK, I see.
> Though use-fancy-splash-screens-p is not strictly correct on this.
> If =A0I force it to use splash screen:
>
> (defun use-fancy-splash-screens-p () t)
>
> And examine these values of the splash screen on the initial startup > frame:
>
> (window-pixel-height)
> =A0=3D> 476
>
> (cdr (window-text-pixel-size
> =A0 =A0 =A0 (selected-window) nil nil nil nil t)) ; include mode-line<= br> > =A0=3D> 462
>
> it has plenty room for display.

How do you deduce that this is enough? =A0

I can see that on my system the splash screen fits the frame quite we= ll
in one page.=A0

window-text-pixel-siz= e (462) above returns the height of the text displayed,=A0
that counts the height of the splash image and the window-pixel-height=
is 476 > 462, both inludes the height of the modeline.
<= div>=A0
splash.xpm needs 217 pixels on
my system, and use-fancy-splash-screens-p reserves 19 more lines for
text, which on my system need 19 x 16 =3D 304 more pixels. =A0The sum is greater than either 462 or 476, so it sounds to me like
Which =A0splash file on your system is actually used for displ= ay?

The problem is that use-fancy-splash-scre= ens-p uses splash.xpm to=A0
determine the image height which =A0is 217 pixel high, while on my sys= tem =A0
splash.png (188 pixel high) is actually =A0used (since it= 's more fancier=A0
than the xpm one).

I think it's better for=A0=A0= use-fancy-splash-screens-p=A0and=A0fancy-splash-head= =A0
to=A0use =A0th= e same file:=A0

=3D=3D=3D modified file 'lisp/startup.el'

--- lisp/startup.e= l 2014-01-01 07:43:34 +0000

+++ lisp/startup.e= l 2014-01-28 23:09:37 +0000

@@ -1590,24 +1590,= 28 @@

= =A0

=A0(declare-functi= on image-size "image.c" (spec &optional pixels frame))

= =A0

+

+(defun fancy-spla= sh-file ()

+=A0 (cond ((strin= gp fancy-splash-image)

+ fancy-splash-image)

+ ((display-color-p)

+ (cond ((<=3D (display-planes) 8)

+ (if (image-type-available-p 'xpm)

+ =A0 =A0 "splash.xpm"

+ =A0 "splash.pbm"))

+ =A0 =A0 =A0 ((or (image-type-available-p '= svg)

+ =A0 =A0 (image-type-available-p 'imagemagi= ck))

+ "splash.svg")

+ =A0 =A0 =A0 ((image-type-available-p 'png)=

+ "splash.png")

+ =A0 =A0 =A0 ((image-type-available-p 'xpm)=

+ "splash.xpm")

+ =A0 =A0 =A0 (t "splash.pbm")))

+ (t "splash.pbm")))

+

=A0(defun fancy-sp= lash-head ()

=A0=A0 "Inser= t the head part of the splash screen into the current buffer."

-=A0 (let* ((image= -file (cond ((stringp fancy-splash-image)

- =A0 =A0 fancy-splash-image)

- =A0 ((display-color-p)

- =A0 =A0 (cond ((<=3D (display-planes) 8)

- =A0 (if (image-type-available-p 'xpm)

- =A0 =A0 =A0 "splash.xpm"

- =A0 =A0 "splash.pbm"))

- =A0 ((or (image-type-available-p 'svg)

- =A0 =A0 =A0 (image-type-available-p 'im= agemagick))

- =A0 "splash.svg")

- =A0 ((image-type-available-p 'png)

- =A0 "splash.png")

- =A0 ((image-type-available-p 'xpm)

- =A0 "splash.xpm")

- =A0 (t "splash.pbm")))

- =A0 (t "splash.pbm")))

+=A0 (let* ((image= -file (fancy-splash-file))

=A0 (img (create-image image-file))

=A0 (image-width (and img (car (image-size img))= ))

=A0 (window-width (window-width)))

@@ -1805,22 +1809,= 16 @@

= =A0

=A0(defun use-fanc= y-splash-screens-p ()

=A0=A0 "Retur= n t if fancy splash screens should be used."

-=A0 (when (and (d= isplay-graphic-p)

- =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0 (or (and (display-color-p)

- =A0 =A0 =A0 (image-type-available-p 'xpm))=

- =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 (image-type-available-p 'pbm)))

-=A0 =A0 (let ((fr= ame (fancy-splash-frame)))

-=A0 =A0 =A0 (when= frame

- (let* ((img (create-image (or fancy-splash-imag= e

- =A0 =A0 =A0 (if (and (display-color-p)

- =A0 =A0 =A0 (image-type-available-p 'x= pm))

- =A0 "splash.xpm" "splash.pbm= "))))

- =A0 =A0 =A0 (image-height (and img (cdr (image= -size img nil frame))))

- =A0 =A0 =A0 ;; We test frame-height so that, i= f the frame is split

- =A0 =A0 =A0 ;; by displaying a warning, that d= oesn't cause the normal

- =A0 =A0 =A0 ;; splash screen to be used.

- =A0 =A0 =A0 (frame-height (1- (frame-height fr= ame))))

- =A0 (> frame-height (+ image-height 19))))))= )

+=A0 (and (display= -graphic-p)

+ =A0 =A0 =A0 (let= ((frame (fancy-splash-frame)))

+ (when frame

+ =A0 (let* ((img (create-image (fancy-splash-fi= le)))

+ =A0 (image-height (and img (cdr (image-size im= g nil frame))))

+ =A0 ;; We test frame-height so that, if the fr= ame is split

+ =A0 ;; by displaying a warning, that doesn'= ;t cause the normal

+ =A0 ;; splash screen to be used.

+ =A0 (frame-height (1- (frame-height frame))))<= /p>

+ =A0 =A0 (> frame-height (+ image-height 19)= ))))))

= =A0

= =A0

=A0(defun normal-s= plash-screen (&optional startup concise)


=
--047d7bfcf01651c67504f11083d3-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jan 28 22:45:11 2014 Received: (at 16574) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Jan 2014 03:45:11 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39728 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1W8M5O-0007p9-Vo for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 28 Jan 2014 22:45:11 -0500 Received: from mtaout20.012.net.il ([80.179.55.166]:33962) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1W8M5J-0007ou-H6 for 16574@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 28 Jan 2014 22:45:07 -0500 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout20.012.net.il by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0N05007008QV2800@a-mtaout20.012.net.il> for 16574@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 29 Jan 2014 05:45:03 +0200 (IST) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0N05006WP932ME80@a-mtaout20.012.net.il>; Wed, 29 Jan 2014 05:45:03 +0200 (IST) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 05:45:00 +0200 From: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#16574: 24.3.50; icon not shown on the splash screen (mac osx) In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il To: Darren Hoo Message-id: <8338k78n9f.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83ppnc85rc.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 16574 Cc: 16574@debbugs.gnu.org, rgm@gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) > Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 07:52:11 +0800 > From: Darren Hoo > Cc: Glenn Morris , 16574@debbugs.gnu.org > > The problem is that use-fancy-splash-screens-p uses splash.xpm to > determine the image height which is 217 pixel high, while on my system > splash.png (188 pixel high) is actually used (since it's more fancier > than the xpm one). Ah, that was important information. Yes, I guess use-fancy-splash-screens-p should do the same as fancy-splash-head to determine which image will be displayed. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jan 30 21:01:51 2014 Received: (at 16574) by debbugs.gnu.org; 31 Jan 2014 02:01:51 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42081 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1W93QV-0005Xz-C5 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 30 Jan 2014 21:01:51 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:44411) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1W93QT-0005Xr-AO for 16574@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 30 Jan 2014 21:01:49 -0500 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W93QS-0003B9-3s; Thu, 30 Jan 2014 21:01:48 -0500 From: Glenn Morris To: Darren Hoo Subject: Re: bug#16574: 24.3.50; icon not shown on the splash screen (mac osx) References: <83ppnc85rc.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spook: wire transfer Montenegro Ceridian number key ARPA SAPO X-Ran: ]|1u;i>u-+T@\.}lVW<"}!b6C2CS5eMn (Darren Hoo's message of "Wed, 29 Jan 2014 07:52:11 +0800") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -5.4 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 16574 Cc: 16574@debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.4 (-----) Thank, applied. The whitespace in your patch was severely messed up, to the extent of extra blank lines all over the place. Please try to figure out why that happened to avoid it in future. This raises the question of why some of the versions of the splash image have slightly different appearance / image dimensions. png and svg are (almost) the same, as are pbm and xpm. I did "convert -background transparent splash.png splash2.xpm", and the result looked better to my untrained eye than the current splash.xpm does, apart from some edge effects. Perhaps someone would like to try re-making the xpm and pbm versions so that they are closer to the other versions. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jan 30 21:02:03 2014 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 31 Jan 2014 02:02:03 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42084 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1W93Qg-0005Yb-Ly for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 30 Jan 2014 21:02:03 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:44414) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1W93Qe-0005YH-Lc for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 30 Jan 2014 21:02:00 -0500 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W93Qe-0003b1-DR for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 30 Jan 2014 21:02:00 -0500 Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2014 21:02:00 -0500 Message-Id: Subject: control message for bug 16574 To: X-Mailer: mail (GNU Mailutils 2.1) From: Glenn Morris X-Spam-Score: -5.4 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.4 (-----) close 16574 24.4 From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jan 30 22:25:46 2014 Received: (at 16574) by debbugs.gnu.org; 31 Jan 2014 03:25:46 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42128 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1W94ji-0000GV-8r for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 30 Jan 2014 22:25:46 -0500 Received: from mail-pd0-f179.google.com ([209.85.192.179]:39587) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1W94jg-0000GL-6r for 16574@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 30 Jan 2014 22:25:44 -0500 Received: by mail-pd0-f179.google.com with SMTP id q10so3792210pdj.24 for <16574@debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 30 Jan 2014 19:25:43 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=6o2spOWZzVArQDrdOp94YqqO+9DdNSMuwzv9lwAB5m8=; b=HxYilMXYdo/bfF6Hoha+1XiSpFpBXRjV/UkZNn5j+ksoHRPz2iXpLHDnsS2nYici6C AaHtKI8Q+1zd36cG1ssSP4fipNUckSTkbz+meIlf+/IJSiI7q1iq9fqBt8HJnoU0PGte 2cPEoqsJff80ibJJglp0xbDfJ28+nX/ubdSlyW7Ws/tdIS/jNibQK8ILGeq+vPc9tyVg 2sh1MEF8qzahcXH+EOl2ItwYUd85UT4Q5F4oD4KTcJ6sg366RyRifmzQBxwL+wQioOfU E0kyDA9WkwhVvkmj4WJBDDbLWUA6CVptoqhgCxWlXwS0UgKQBKDqZeScZQg47/Kh/uQI HdCQ== X-Received: by 10.66.222.234 with SMTP id qp10mr18362024pac.156.1391138743507; Thu, 30 Jan 2014 19:25:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from darren-rmbp ([111.196.173.46]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id yd4sm22433423pbc.13.2014.01.30.19.25.40 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 30 Jan 2014 19:25:42 -0800 (PST) From: Darren Hoo To: Glenn Morris Subject: Re: bug#16574: 24.3.50; icon not shown on the splash screen (mac osx) References: <83ppnc85rc.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2014 11:25:30 +0800 In-Reply-To: (Glenn Morris's message of "Thu, 30 Jan 2014 21:01:47 -0500") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (darwin) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 16574 Cc: 16574@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) Glenn Morris writes: > > The whitespace in your patch was severely messed up, to the extent of > extra blank lines all over the place. Please try to figure out why that > happened to avoid it in future. > Sorry for that. Most of the time I just use Gnus, I used gmail web interface once and it just screwed me up. From unknown Tue Jun 17 20:15:23 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2014 12:24:06 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator