From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Jan 24 13:26:58 2014 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Jan 2014 18:26:58 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34787 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1W6lSx-00064n-7L for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 24 Jan 2014 13:26:58 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:41167) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1W6lSr-00064Y-QM for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 24 Jan 2014 13:26:53 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W6lSm-0005qO-JO for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 24 Jan 2014 13:26:49 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:52134) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W6lSm-0005qJ-Fy for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 24 Jan 2014 13:26:44 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:42854) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W6lSh-0007fR-EL for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 24 Jan 2014 13:26:44 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W6lSc-0005mS-QO for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 24 Jan 2014 13:26:39 -0500 Received: from 2505ds5-by.0.fullrate.dk ([89.150.142.116]:52535 helo=topper.koldfront.dk) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W6lSc-0005lg-Bo for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 24 Jan 2014 13:26:34 -0500 Received: by topper.koldfront.dk (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 9B4BD50FA6DE; Fri, 24 Jan 2014 19:26:31 +0100 (CET) From: asjo@koldfront.dk (Adam =?utf-8?Q?Sj=C3=B8gren?=) To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 24.3.50; eww displays alt attribute of images on hover - should display title attribute Organization: koldfront - analysis & revolution, Copenhagen, Denmark OpenPGP: id=49D0746121BDE416; url=http://asjo.koldfront.dk/gpg.asc X-Hashcash: 1:21:140124:bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org::HNz0Q6ebMqBzS09b:0000000000000000000000000000000000000000GnFy X-Face: )qY&CseJ?.:=8F#^~GcSA?F=9eu'{KAFfL1C3/A&:nE?PW\i65"ba0NS)97, Q(^@xk}n4Ou rPuR#V8I(J_@~H($[ym:`K_+]*kjvW>xH5jbgLBVFGXY:(#4P>zVBklLbdL&XxL\M)%T}3S/IS9lMJ ^St'=VZBR User-Agent: Gnus/5.130008 (Ma Gnus v0.8) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) Run M-x eww http://xkcd.com/1319/ RET in a graphical Emacs and place the mouse over the image displayed. Expected result: A tooltip appears showing the content of the title attribute of the image ("'Automating' comes from the roots 'auto-' meaning 'self-', and 'mating', meaning 'screwing'."). Actual result: A tooltip appears showing the content of the alt attribute of the timage ("Automation"). The alt attribute is for when the image cannot be displayed; the title is for the tooltip. In GNU Emacs 24.3.50.1 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.8.6) of 2014-01-01 on prometheus, modified by Debian (emacs-snapshot package, version 2:20140101-1) Windowing system distributor `The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.11405000 System Description: Debian GNU/Linux unstable (sid) Configured using: `configure --build x86_64-linux-gnu --host x86_64-linux-gnu --prefix=3D/usr --sharedstatedir=3D/var/lib --libexecdir=3D/usr/lib --localstatedir=3D/var --infodir=3D/usr/share/info/emacs-snapshot --mandir=3D/usr/share/man --with-pop=3Dyes --enable-locallisppath=3D/etc/emacs-snapshot:/etc/emacs:/usr/local/share/e= macs/24.3.50/site-lisp:/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp:/usr/share/emacs/24= .3.50/site-lisp:/usr/share/emacs/site-lisp --with-crt-dir=3D/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/ --with-x=3Dyes --with-x-toolkit=3Dgtk3 --with-imagemagick=3Dyes 'CFLAGS=3D-DDEBIAN -DSITELOAD_PURESIZE_EXTRA=3D5000 -g -O2' CPPFLAGS=3D-D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=3D2 'LDFLAGS=3D-g -Wl,--as-needed -znocombreloc'' Important settings: value of $LC_COLLATE: C value of $LC_CTYPE: da_DK.UTF-8 value of $LC_MESSAGES: en_GB.UTF-8 value of $LC_NUMERIC: en_GB.UTF-8 value of $LC_TIME: en_GB.UTF-8 value of $LANG: en_DK.utf8 locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix Major mode: eww Minor modes in effect: show-paren-mode: t global-flycheck-mode: t diff-auto-refine-mode: t shell-dirtrack-mode: t tooltip-mode: t electric-indent-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t menu-bar-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t auto-composition-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t Recent input: Recent messages: Contacting host: xkcd.com:80 [2 times] Auto-saving... 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x-win x-dnd tool-bar dnd fontset image regexp-opt fringe tabulated-list newcomment lisp-mode prog-mode register page menu-bar rfn-eshadow timer select scroll-bar mouse jit-lock font-lock syntax facemenu font-core frame cham georgian utf-8-lang misc-lang vietnamese tibetan thai tai-viet lao korean japanese hebrew greek romanian slovak czech european ethiopic indian cyrillic chinese case-table epa-hook jka-cmpr-hook help simple abbrev minibuffer nadvice loaddefs button faces cus-face macroexp files text-properties overlay sha1 md5 base64 format env code-pages mule custom widget hashtable-print-readable backquote make-network-process dbusbind gfilenotify dynamic-setting system-font-setting font-render-setting move-toolbar gtk x-toolkit x multi-tty emacs) --=20 "Vi =C3=A4r inte riktigt kloka n=C3=A4r man t=C3=A4nker efter." = Adam Sj=C3=B8gren asjo@koldfront.dk From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Jan 24 13:40:13 2014 Received: (at 16537) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Jan 2014 18:40:13 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34803 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1W6lfp-0007af-7A for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 24 Jan 2014 13:40:13 -0500 Received: from 2505ds5-by.0.fullrate.dk ([89.150.142.116]:58762 helo=topper.koldfront.dk) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1W6lfn-0007aV-G9 for 16537@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 24 Jan 2014 13:40:12 -0500 Received: by topper.koldfront.dk (Postfix, from userid 1000) id EFA1550FA6DE; Fri, 24 Jan 2014 19:40:09 +0100 (CET) X-Hashcash: 1:21:140124:16537@debbugs.gnu.org::Il+NQNJ4/JVGOZmZ:00000000000000000000000000000000000000000MBx From: asjo@koldfront.dk (Adam =?utf-8?Q?Sj=C3=B8gren?=) To: 16537@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: [PATCH] Use the title attribute for the tooltip, rather than the alt attribute. Organization: koldfront - analysis & revolution, Copenhagen, Denmark OpenPGP: id=49D0746121BDE416; url=http://asjo.koldfront.dk/gpg.asc X-Face: )qY&CseJ?.:=8F#^~GcSA?F=9eu'{KAFfL1C3/A&:nE?PW\i65"ba0NS)97, Q(^@xk}n4Ou rPuR#V8I(J_@~H($[ym:`K_+]*kjvW>xH5jbgLBVFGXY:(#4P>zVBklLbdL&XxL\M)%T}3S/IS9lMJ ^St'=VZBR User-Agent: Gnus/5.130008 (Ma Gnus v0.8) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 16537 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) --- lisp/net/shr.el | 3 ++- 1 file changed, 2 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-) diff --git a/lisp/net/shr.el b/lisp/net/shr.el index 7ef49ea..2e67b07 100644 --- a/lisp/net/shr.el +++ b/lisp/net/shr.el @@ -1177,6 +1177,7 @@ The preference is a float determined from `shr-prefer= -media-type'." (not (eq shr-state 'image))) (insert "\n")) (let ((alt (cdr (assq :alt cont))) + (title (cdr (assq :title cont))) (url (shr-expand-url (or url (cdr (assq :src cont)))))) (let ((start (point-marker))) (when (zerop (length alt)) @@ -1228,7 +1229,7 @@ The preference is a float determined from `shr-prefer= -media-type'." (put-text-property start (point) 'image-url url) (put-text-property start (point) 'image-displayer (shr-image-displayer shr-content-function)) - (put-text-property start (point) 'help-echo alt)) + (when title (put-text-property start (point) 'help-echo title))) (setq shr-state 'image))))) =20 (defun shr-tag-pre (cont) --=20 "That's 'Doctor Destiny, _sir_' to you." Adam Sj=C3=B8= gren asjo@koldfront.dk From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Jan 24 19:54:04 2014 Received: (at 16537) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Jan 2014 00:54:05 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34978 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1W6rVc-0001r5-E4 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 24 Jan 2014 19:54:04 -0500 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:47467) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1W6rVZ-0001qc-4Q for 16537@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 24 Jan 2014 19:54:02 -0500 Received: from host-69-144-134-123.static.bresnan.net ([69.144.134.123] helo=building.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1W6rVI-0002ak-SB; Sat, 25 Jan 2014 01:53:45 +0100 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: asjo@koldfront.dk (Adam =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sj=F8gren?=) Subject: Re: bug#16537: [PATCH] Use the title attribute for the tooltip, rather than the alt attribute. References: <877g9pkzhk.fsf@topper.koldfront.dk> <8738kdkyuu.fsf@topper.koldfront.dk> Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 17:53:04 -0700 In-Reply-To: <8738kdkyuu.fsf@topper.koldfront.dk> ("Adam \=\?iso-8859-1\?Q\?Sj\?\= \=\?iso-8859-1\?Q\?\=F8gren\=22's\?\= message of "Fri, 24 Jan 2014 19:40:09 +0100") Message-ID: <871tzw6fwv.fsf@building.gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.130008 (Ma Gnus v0.8) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MailScanner-ID: 1W6rVI-0002ak-SB X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1391216026.8791@sE+B37+iyQsoc3gusTohQA X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 16537 Cc: 16537@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) asjo@koldfront.dk (Adam Sj=F8gren) writes: > - (put-text-property start (point) 'help-echo alt)) > + (when title (put-text-property start (point) 'help-echo title))) Well, it should display the alt text when there is no title, I think. I've applied that instead. --=20 (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/ From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Jan 24 19:54:41 2014 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Jan 2014 00:54:41 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34981 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1W6rWC-0001rw-Vu for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 24 Jan 2014 19:54:41 -0500 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:47474) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1W6rWC-0001rp-41 for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 24 Jan 2014 19:54:40 -0500 Received: from host-69-144-134-123.static.bresnan.net ([69.144.134.123] helo=building.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1W6rVt-0002bE-TE for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 25 Jan 2014 01:54:22 +0100 Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 17:53:41 -0700 Message-Id: <87zjmk51be.fsf@building.gnus.org> To: control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: control message for bug #16537 X-MailScanner-ID: 1W6rVt-0002bE-TE X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1391216063.12147@8Z/cIXV8/CzVex1ECTB/9w X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) tags 16537 fixed close 16537 24.4 From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Jan 25 06:39:06 2014 Received: (at 16537) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Jan 2014 11:39:06 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35147 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1W71Zm-0004xK-61 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 25 Jan 2014 06:39:05 -0500 Received: from 2505ds5-by.0.fullrate.dk ([89.150.142.116]:59856 helo=topper.koldfront.dk) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1W71Ze-0004wx-1g for 16537@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 25 Jan 2014 06:38:58 -0500 Received: by topper.koldfront.dk (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 821C050FA6DE; Sat, 25 Jan 2014 12:38:52 +0100 (CET) From: asjo@koldfront.dk (Adam =?utf-8?Q?Sj=C3=B8gren?=) To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: Re: bug#16537: Use the title attribute for the tooltip, rather than the alt attribute. Organization: koldfront - analysis & revolution, Copenhagen, Denmark References: <877g9pkzhk.fsf@topper.koldfront.dk> <8738kdkyuu.fsf@topper.koldfront.dk> <871tzw6fwv.fsf@building.gnus.org> OpenPGP: id=49D0746121BDE416; url=http://asjo.koldfront.dk/gpg.asc X-Hashcash: 1:21:140125:16537@debbugs.gnu.org::N0sbTVkDzj5t5FAQ:00000000000000000000000000000000000000001/1z X-Hashcash: 1:21:140125:larsi@gnus.org::9clBkFGskN2viwU/:000ACs8 X-Face: )qY&CseJ?.:=8F#^~GcSA?F=9eu'{KAFfL1C3/A&:nE?PW\i65"ba0NS)97, Q(^@xk}n4Ou rPuR#V8I(J_@~H($[ym:`K_+]*kjvW>xH5jbgLBVFGXY:(#4P>zVBklLbdL&XxL\M)%T}3S/IS9lMJ ^St'=VZBR (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Fri, 24 Jan 2014 17:53:04 -0700") Message-ID: <878uu4b8ab.fsf@topper.koldfront.dk> User-Agent: Gnus/5.130008 (Ma Gnus v0.8) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 16537 Cc: 16537@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > asjo@koldfront.dk (Adam Sj=C3=B8gren) writes: > >> - (put-text-property start (point) 'help-echo alt)) >> + (when title (put-text-property start (point) 'help-echo title)= )) > Well, it should display the alt text when there is no title, I think. > I've applied that instead. That is of course up to you - I disagree: The alt text is only for when the image cannot be displayed, while the title is for the text in the tooltip. Quoting the HTML-standard: "alt =3D text [CS] For user agents that cannot display images, forms, or applets, this attribute specifies alternate text. The language of the alternate text is specified by the lang attribute. Several non-textual elements (IMG, AREA, APPLET, and INPUT) let authors specify alternate text to serve as content when the element cannot be rendered normally. Specifying alternate text assists users without graphic display terminals, users whose browsers don't support forms, visually impaired users, those who use speech synthesizers, those who have configured their graphical user agents not to display images, etc." - http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/struct/objects.html#adef-alt And: "title =3D text [CS] This attribute offers advisory information about the element for which it is set. [...] Values of the title attribute may be rendered by user agents in a variety of ways. For instance, visual browsers frequently display the title as a "tool tip" (a short message that appears when the pointing device pauses over an object)." - http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/struct/global.html#adef-title Firefox and Chrome follows the standard, while Internet Explorer (as far as I remember) does as shr (now) does. Here is a quick HTML-page for testing: * http://asjo.org/misc/alt-title.html Best regards, Adam --=20 "Hur l=C3=A5ngt man =C3=A4n har kommit Ada= m Sj=C3=B8gren =C3=A4r det alltid l=C3=A4ngre kvar" asjo@kol= dfront.dk From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Jan 26 19:31:26 2014 Received: (at 16537) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Jan 2014 00:31:26 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37037 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1W7a6n-0000fc-Vc for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 26 Jan 2014 19:31:26 -0500 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:56457) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1W7a6k-0000fQ-6I for 16537@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 26 Jan 2014 19:31:23 -0500 Received: from [184.48.137.122] (helo=building.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1W7a6V-0007fg-Gc; Mon, 27 Jan 2014 01:31:07 +0100 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: asjo@koldfront.dk (Adam =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sj=F8gren?=) Subject: Re: bug#16537: Use the title attribute for the tooltip, rather than the alt attribute. References: <877g9pkzhk.fsf@topper.koldfront.dk> <8738kdkyuu.fsf@topper.koldfront.dk> <871tzw6fwv.fsf@building.gnus.org> <878uu4b8ab.fsf@topper.koldfront.dk> Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 17:30:24 -0700 In-Reply-To: <878uu4b8ab.fsf@topper.koldfront.dk> ("Adam \=\?iso-8859-1\?Q\?Sj\?\= \=\?iso-8859-1\?Q\?\=F8gren\=22's\?\= message of "Sat, 25 Jan 2014 12:38:52 +0100") Message-ID: <877g9mcllr.fsf@building.gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.130008 (Ma Gnus v0.8) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MailScanner-ID: 1W7a6V-0007fg-Gc X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1391387468.17219@CZRb4ZAOHA7ZJqEfgTqq2Q X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 16537 Cc: 16537@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) asjo@koldfront.dk (Adam Sj=F8gren) writes: > The alt text is only for when the image cannot be displayed, while the > title is for the text in the tooltip. Quoting the HTML-standard: Yeah. But I don't really see any harm in using the alt text as a tooltip if it's there. --=20 (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/ From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jan 27 14:36:49 2014 Received: (at 16537) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Jan 2014 19:36:49 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38425 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1W7rzA-000219-W7 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 27 Jan 2014 14:36:48 -0500 Received: from 2505ds5-by.0.fullrate.dk ([89.150.142.116]:46397 helo=topper.koldfront.dk) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1W7rz3-00020u-FO for 16537@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 27 Jan 2014 14:36:42 -0500 Received: by topper.koldfront.dk (Postfix, from userid 1000) id E176450FA6DE; Mon, 27 Jan 2014 20:36:35 +0100 (CET) From: asjo@koldfront.dk (Adam =?utf-8?Q?Sj=C3=B8gren?=) To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: Re: bug#16537: Use the title attribute for the tooltip, rather than the alt attribute. Organization: koldfront - analysis & revolution, Copenhagen, Denmark References: <877g9pkzhk.fsf@topper.koldfront.dk> <8738kdkyuu.fsf@topper.koldfront.dk> <871tzw6fwv.fsf@building.gnus.org> <878uu4b8ab.fsf@topper.koldfront.dk> <877g9mcllr.fsf@building.gnus.org> OpenPGP: id=49D0746121BDE416; url=http://asjo.koldfront.dk/gpg.asc X-Hashcash: 1:21:140127:larsi@gnus.org::sdTjzLGJJ5hwNIRc:0002yDB X-Hashcash: 1:21:140127:16537@debbugs.gnu.org::oA1ubHz5mOw+g7St:0000000000000000000000000000000000000000Ihr0 X-Face: )qY&CseJ?.:=8F#^~GcSA?F=9eu'{KAFfL1C3/A&:nE?PW\i65"ba0NS)97, Q(^@xk}n4Ou rPuR#V8I(J_@~H($[ym:`K_+]*kjvW>xH5jbgLBVFGXY:(#4P>zVBklLbdL&XxL\M)%T}3S/IS9lMJ ^St'=VZBR (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Sun, 26 Jan 2014 17:30:24 -0700") Message-ID: <87d2jdz070.fsf@topper.koldfront.dk> User-Agent: Gnus/5.130008 (Ma Gnus v0.8) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 16537 Cc: 16537@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > Yeah. But I don't really see any harm in using the alt text as a > tooltip if it's there. The "harm" is that the alt-attribute is mandatory - so you will always get a tooltip, even on images where a tooltip is useless/unwanted. I guess most people will have their mouse away from the images displayed by Emacs anyway, so it probably isn't a big problem. Best regards, Adam --=20 "Everybody will be quick to agree that EMACS has a Adam Sj=C3=B8= gren simple to learn user interface, at least to gain asjo@koldfront.dk 'novice' status." From unknown Fri Jun 20 07:26:22 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 12:24:04 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator