From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jan 21 22:06:45 2014 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Jan 2014 03:06:45 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60073 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1W5o9M-0001PB-KB for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 21 Jan 2014 22:06:45 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:41447) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1W5o9K-0001P3-ID for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 21 Jan 2014 22:06:43 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W5o9A-0001Ss-2D for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 21 Jan 2014 22:06:42 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_40 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:57799) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W5o99-0001Sh-VC for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 21 Jan 2014 22:06:31 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:43124) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W5o91-0002du-1b for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 21 Jan 2014 22:06:31 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W5o8s-0001Py-EQ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 21 Jan 2014 22:06:22 -0500 Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:44011) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W5o8s-0001Ps-7Q for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 21 Jan 2014 22:06:14 -0500 Received: from ucsinet22.oracle.com (ucsinet22.oracle.com [156.151.31.94]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id s0M36Ah9002583 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Wed, 22 Jan 2014 03:06:10 GMT Received: from aserz7022.oracle.com (aserz7022.oracle.com [141.146.126.231]) by ucsinet22.oracle.com (8.14.5+Sun/8.14.5) with ESMTP id s0M369qQ017272 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 22 Jan 2014 03:06:09 GMT Received: from abhmp0013.oracle.com (abhmp0013.oracle.com [141.146.116.19]) by aserz7022.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id s0M369mF010217 for ; Wed, 22 Jan 2014 03:06:09 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 19:06:08 -0800 (PST) From: Drew Adams To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 24.3.50; NEWS item about `apropos-*-face' user options and new faces X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.8 (707110) [OL 12.0.6680.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: ucsinet22.oracle.com [156.151.31.94] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x-2.6.x [generic] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) 1. This is the inadequate NEWS item: ** Apropos *** The faces used by Apropos are now directly customizable. These faces are named `apropos-symbol', `apropos-keybinding', and so on; see the `apropos' Custom group for details. *** The old options whose values specified faces to use have been removed (i.e. `apropos-symbol-face', `apropos-keybinding-face', etc.). Why inadequate? Because it does not list the options, so users can check their current customizations of those options and transfer them to the new faces (something that Emacs could have done for them, BTW). It is not enough to say "etc." and "and so on." List the options. By my checking, I find these: apropos-keybinding-face, apropos-label-face, apropos-match-face, apropos-property-face, apropos-symbol-face. Is it so hard to find and state the list, to help users? You go to great lengths to help users locate the new faces (telling them to use `M-x customize-group apropos'. But from a user point of view what's first needed is the list of options that the new faces replace. This is what a NEWS item about replacement needs to inform users of: A has been replaced by B. Why? So users can replace A with B in their own code, custom files, etc. 2. Plus, this removal and replacement is apparently not the case for all `apropos-*-face' options - see option `apropos-match-face'. Why this inconsistency? Point it out in NEWS, at least, if it really has a good reason for continuing. As it stands now, the NEWS text is incorrect, claiming the removal of all such face options. In GNU Emacs 24.3.50.1 (i686-pc-mingw32) of 2014-01-17 on ODIEONE Bzr revision: 116059 michael.albinus@gmx.de-20140117182409-gz695p2c951idlee Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 6.1.7601 Configured using: `configure --prefix=3D/c/Devel/emacs/binary --enable-checking=3Dyes,glyphs 'CFLAGS=3D-O0 -g3' LDFLAGS=3D-Lc:/Devel/emacs/lib CPPFLAGS=3D-Ic:/Devel/emacs/include' From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Jan 22 11:53:14 2014 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Jan 2014 16:53:14 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60860 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1W613B-0002yc-0g for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 22 Jan 2014 11:53:13 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:53897) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1W6138-0002yR-JL for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 22 Jan 2014 11:53:11 -0500 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W6138-0005K3-37 for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 22 Jan 2014 11:53:10 -0500 Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2014 11:53:10 -0500 Message-Id: Subject: control message for bug 16516 To: X-Mailer: mail (GNU Mailutils 2.1) From: Glenn Morris X-Spam-Score: -5.6 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.6 (-----) merge 11457 16516 From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Feb 08 23:25:58 2014 Received: (at 16516) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Feb 2014 04:25:58 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58799 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WCLxt-0001LR-1M for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 08 Feb 2014 23:25:57 -0500 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:37972) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WCLxm-0001L3-4t; Sat, 08 Feb 2014 23:25:51 -0500 Received: from [204.14.154.233] (helo=building.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1WCLxX-0005Fb-Ts; Sun, 09 Feb 2014 05:25:36 +0100 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Drew Adams Subject: Re: bug#16516: 24.3.50; NEWS item about `apropos-*-face' user options and new faces References: Date: Sat, 08 Feb 2014 20:24:24 -0800 In-Reply-To: (Drew Adams's message of "Tue, 21 Jan 2014 19:06:08 -0800 (PST)") Message-ID: <87y51keww7.fsf@building.gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13001 (Ma Gnus v0.10) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-MailScanner-ID: 1WCLxX-0005Fb-Ts X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1392524736.51018@ixqmUQ800zvGA6GFeyq9cw X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 16516 Cc: 11457@debbugs.gnu.org, 16516@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) Drew Adams writes: > It is not enough to say "etc." and "and so on." List the options. By > my checking, I find these: apropos-keybinding-face, apropos-label-face, > apropos-match-face, apropos-property-face, apropos-symbol-face. Is it > so hard to find and state the list, to help users? Fixed on trunk. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/ From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Feb 08 23:26:11 2014 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Feb 2014 04:26:11 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58804 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WCLy5-0001MQ-3x for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 08 Feb 2014 23:26:10 -0500 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:37978) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WCLy1-0001MC-TG for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 08 Feb 2014 23:26:06 -0500 Received: from [204.14.154.233] (helo=building.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1WCLxn-0005Fw-Sv for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 09 Feb 2014 05:25:52 +0100 Date: Sat, 08 Feb 2014 20:24:31 -0800 Message-Id: <87wqh4eww0.fsf@building.gnus.org> To: control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: control message for bug #11457 X-MailScanner-ID: 1WCLxn-0005Fw-Sv X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1392524752.89121@qtAaKgYpxregBffLtiU5kg X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) tags 11457 fixed close 11457 24.4 From unknown Fri Jun 20 07:17:08 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. 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