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Jackson" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bd6b800a3d5fd04f003f545 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -3.8 (---) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 15 Jan 2014 11:51:46 -0500 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.8 (---) --047d7bd6b800a3d5fd04f003f545 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable $ emacs -Q M-x info RET h Expected behaviour: The Info command keys are listed. For example, the man entry for Info (M-x man RET info RET) says "For a summary of key bindings, type h within Info." Actual behaviour: The Emacs Info viewer goes to the tutorial ("1.2 How to use Info"). [That is the expected behaviour with the H command not the h command.] Additional information: Stand alone Info (Version: info (GNU texinfo) 5.1) behaves as expected for both h (displays key bindings) and H (displays tutorial). In GNU Emacs 24.3.1 (x86_64-redhat-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.8.2) of 2013-08-14 on buildvm-15.phx2.fedoraproject.org Windowing system distributor `Fedora Project', version 11.0.11404000 System Description: Fedora release 19 (Schr=F6dinger=92s Cat) Configured using: `configure '--build=3Dx86_64-redhat-linux-gnu' '--host=3Dx86_64-redhat-linux-gnu' '--program-prefix=3D' '--disable-dependency-tracking' '--prefix=3D/usr' '--exec-prefix=3D/usr' '--bindir=3D/usr/bin' '--sbindir=3D/usr/sbin' '--sysconfdir=3D/etc' '--datadir=3D/usr/share' '--includedir=3D/usr/include' '--libdir=3D/usr/lib64' '--libexecdir=3D/usr/libexec' '--localstatedir=3D/var' '--sharedstatedir=3D/var/lib' '--mandir=3D/usr/share/man' '--infodir=3D/usr/share/info' '--with-dbus' '--with-gif' '--with-jpeg' '--with-png' '--with-rsvg' '--with-tiff' '--with-xft' '--with-xpm' '--with-x-toolkit=3Dgtk3' '--with-gpm=3Dno' 'build_alias=3Dx86_64-redhat-linux-gnu' 'host_alias=3Dx86_64-redhat-linux-gnu' 'CFLAGS=3D-DMAIL_USE_LOCKF -O2 -g -pipe -Wall -Wp,-D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=3D2 -fexceptions -fstack-protector --param=3Dssp-buffer-size=3D4 -grecord-gcc-switches -m64 -mtune=3Dgeneric' 'LDFLAGS=3D-Wl,-z,relro '' Important settings: value of $LC_MONETARY: en_DK.utf8 value of $LC_NUMERIC: en_DK.utf8 value of $LC_TIME: en_DK.utf8 value of $LANG: en_CA.utf8 value of $XMODIFIERS: @im=3Dibus locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix default enable-multibyte-characters: t Major mode: Info Minor modes in effect: tooltip-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t tool-bar-mode: t menu-bar-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t blink-cursor-mode: t auto-composition-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t buffer-read-only: t line-number-mode: t transient-mark-mode: t Recent input: M-x i n f o h M-x r e p o r t Recent messages: For information about GNU Emacs and the GNU system, type C-h C-a. Composing main Info directory...done You can run the command `info' with C-h i Composing main Info directory...done Making completion list... Load-path shadows: None found. Features: (shadow sort gnus-util mail-extr emacsbug message format-spec rfc822 mml mml-sec mm-decode mm-bodies mm-encode mail-parse rfc2231 mailabbrev gmm-utils mailheader sendmail rfc2047 rfc2045 ietf-drums mm-util mail-prsvr mail-utils help-mode jka-compr info easymenu time-date tooltip ediff-hook vc-hooks lisp-float-type mwheel x-win x-dnd tool-bar dnd fontset image regexp-opt fringe tabulated-list newcomment lisp-mode register page menu-bar rfn-eshadow timer select scroll-bar mouse jit-lock font-lock syntax facemenu font-core frame cham georgian utf-8-lang misc-lang vietnamese tibetan thai tai-viet lao korean japanese hebrew greek romanian slovak czech european ethiopic indian cyrillic chinese case-table epa-hook jka-cmpr-hook help simple abbrev minibuffer loaddefs button faces cus-face macroexp files text-properties overlay sha1 md5 base64 format env code-pages mule custom widget hashtable-print-readable backquote make-network-process dbusbind dynamic-setting system-font-setting font-render-setting move-toolbar gtk x-toolkit x multi-tty emacs) --047d7bd6b800a3d5fd04f003f545 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
$ emacs -Q
M-x info RET
h

Expected behaviour:=
The Info command keys are listed.

For example, the man entry for= Info (M-x man RET info RET) says "For a
summary of key bindings, t= ype h within Info."

Actual behaviour:
The Emacs Info viewer goes to the tutorial ("= 1.2 How to use
Info"). [That is the expected behaviour with the H c= ommand not the h
command.]

Additional information:
Stand alone= Info (Version: info (GNU texinfo) 5.1) behaves as expected
for both h (displays key bindings) and H (displays tutorial).

In GNU= Emacs 24.3.1 (x86_64-redhat-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.8.2)
=A0of 2013-0= 8-14 on buildvm-15.phx= 2.fedoraproject.org
Windowing system distributor `Fedora Project', version 11.0.11404000System Description:=A0=A0=A0 Fedora release 19 (Schr=F6dinger=92s Cat)
=
Configured using:
=A0`configure '--build=3Dx86_64-redhat-linux-g= nu'
=A0'--host=3Dx86_64-redhat-linux-gnu' '--program-prefix=3D'=
=A0'--disable-dependency-tracking' '--prefix=3D/usr' &#= 39;--exec-prefix=3D/usr'
=A0'--bindir=3D/usr/bin' '--sbi= ndir=3D/usr/sbin' '--sysconfdir=3D/etc'
=A0'--datadir=3D/usr/share' '--includedir=3D/usr/include'=A0'--libdir=3D/usr/lib64' '--libexecdir=3D/usr/libexec'<= br>=A0'--localstatedir=3D/var' '--sharedstatedir=3D/var/lib'= ;
=A0'--mandir=3D/usr/share/man' '--infodir=3D/usr/share/inf= o' '--with-dbus'
=A0'--with-gif' '--with-jpeg' '--with-png' '--w= ith-rsvg' '--with-tiff'
=A0'--with-xft' '--with-= xpm' '--with-x-toolkit=3Dgtk3' '--with-gpm=3Dno'
=A0= 'build_alias=3Dx86_64-redhat-linux-gnu'
=A0'host_alias=3Dx86_64-redhat-linux-gnu' 'CFLAGS=3D-DMAIL_USE_= LOCKF -O2 -g
=A0-pipe -Wall -Wp,-D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=3D2 -fexceptions -fsta= ck-protector
=A0--param=3Dssp-buffer-size=3D4 -grecord-gcc-switches -m64= -mtune=3Dgeneric'
=A0'LDFLAGS=3D-Wl,-z,relro ''

Important settings:
=A0= value of $LC_MONETARY: en_DK.utf8
=A0 value of $LC_NUMERIC: en_DK.utf8<= br>=A0 value of $LC_TIME: en_DK.utf8
=A0 value of $LANG: en_CA.utf8
= =A0 value of $XMODIFIERS: @im=3Dibus
=A0 locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix
=A0 default enable-multibyte-charac= ters: t

Major mode: Info

Minor modes in effect:
=A0 toolti= p-mode: t
=A0 mouse-wheel-mode: t
=A0 tool-bar-mode: t
=A0 menu-ba= r-mode: t
=A0 file-name-shadow-mode: t
=A0 global-font-lock-mode: t
=A0 font-lo= ck-mode: t
=A0 blink-cursor-mode: t
=A0 auto-composition-mode: t
= =A0 auto-encryption-mode: t
=A0 auto-compression-mode: t
=A0 buffer-r= ead-only: t
=A0 line-number-mode: t
=A0 transient-mark-mode: t

Recent input:<= br>M-x i n f o <return> h M-x r e <tab> p o r t <tab> <return>

Recent messages:
For information about GNU Emacs = and the GNU system, type C-h C-a.
Composing main Info directory...done
You can run the command `info' = with C-h i
Composing main Info directory...done
Making completion lis= t...

Load-path shadows:
None found.

Features:
(shadow s= ort gnus-util mail-extr emacsbug message format-spec rfc822 mml
mml-sec mm-decode mm-bodies mm-encode mail-parse rfc2231 mailabbrev
gmm-= utils mailheader sendmail rfc2047 rfc2045 ietf-drums mm-util
mail-prsvr = mail-utils help-mode jka-compr info easymenu time-date
tooltip ediff-hoo= k vc-hooks lisp-float-type mwheel x-win x-dnd tool-bar
dnd fontset image regexp-opt fringe tabulated-list newcomment lisp-mode
= register page menu-bar rfn-eshadow timer select scroll-bar mouse
jit-loc= k font-lock syntax facemenu font-core frame cham georgian
utf-8-lang mis= c-lang vietnamese tibetan thai tai-viet lao korean
japanese hebrew greek romanian slovak czech european ethiopic indian
cyr= illic chinese case-table epa-hook jka-cmpr-hook help simple abbrev
minib= uffer loaddefs button faces cus-face macroexp files text-properties
overlay sha1 md5 base64 format env code-pages mule custom widget
hashtab= le-print-readable backquote make-network-process dbusbind
dynamic-settin= g system-font-setting font-render-setting move-toolbar gtk
x-toolkit x m= ulti-tty emacs)


--047d7bd6b800a3d5fd04f003f545-- From unknown Tue Aug 19 21:52:48 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#16455: 24.3; (Emacs Info) h command behaves like H command Resent-From: Glenn Morris Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2014 17:10:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 16455 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: "N. Jackson" Cc: 16455@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 16455-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B16455.138980578227505 (code B ref 16455); Wed, 15 Jan 2014 17:10:02 +0000 Received: (at 16455) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Jan 2014 17:09:42 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52280 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1W3TyH-00079X-N6 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 15 Jan 2014 12:09:42 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:55885) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1W3TyF-00079P-WB for 16455@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 15 Jan 2014 12:09:40 -0500 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W3TyE-0004Nm-No; Wed, 15 Jan 2014 12:09:38 -0500 From: Glenn Morris References: X-Spook: insurgency ASDIC kilderkin CDC mania Aldergrove Abu X-Ran: C}xCjGtL9Hk2E)"J/B"]JIz0=MTZW.Z~!q(nSq.cYTo)s"n8CqY{y\oSPX8gwZjW{Y,cD/ X-Hue: cyan X-Attribution: GM Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2014 12:09:38 -0500 In-Reply-To: (N. Jackson's message of "Wed, 15 Jan 2014 11:28:23 -0400") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -5.3 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.3 (-----) "N. Jackson" wrote: > For example, the man entry for Info (M-x man RET info RET) says "For a > summary of key bindings, type h within Info." Hmm, yet the info page for info says: If you are new to the Info reader and want to learn how to use it, type the command `h' now. It brings you to a programmed instruction sequence. and the other contains the node `Help' which the `h' command goes to. And info info-stnd says: 'h' ('get-info-help-node') [...] Try hard to visit the node '(info)Help'. and does not seem to mention 'H' AFAICS. From unknown Tue Aug 19 21:52:48 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#16455: 24.3; (Emacs Info) h command behaves like H command Resent-From: "N. Jackson" Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2014 20:46:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 16455 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Glenn Morris Cc: 16455@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 16455-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B16455.138981873032515 (code B ref 16455); Wed, 15 Jan 2014 20:46:02 +0000 Received: (at 16455) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Jan 2014 20:45:30 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52422 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1W3XL7-0008SK-Mp for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 15 Jan 2014 15:45:30 -0500 Received: from mail-vb0-f66.google.com ([209.85.212.66]:44146) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1W3XL5-0008SB-RA for 16455@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 15 Jan 2014 15:45:28 -0500 Received: by mail-vb0-f66.google.com with SMTP id x14so120751vbb.1 for <16455@debbugs.gnu.org>; Wed, 15 Jan 2014 12:45:27 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=cNVH1u8yuUmvi0wv4KBNA3qnbbfdUk8mu3XpyCJqgo8=; b=YU9hBDgEaQnl+TmbABAzd02k9ALRVjUODxBf7vt5rxqNUGUfkJDtMEmZo6BZq7x7Av RBQXaHaLO63MtF8kkx6Kvu7EUbLlKFhbb1pYgWYeab4K2cnQmWLZOyOUgDfZ8E1f9fn8 GK2hx/v0acjj7GSCxBaIF1ErwSKYx0PPHJwDWhMWqj+0YsvvIicfWxial1A8s1HU8dnL hqfQPMp22Tmn7cTGdwTm5UodbIk3tHslhfUp+UPaH79iYSL7QeTk66y1jxh/yIfyrsr8 NkTrQu595ysthkwpEfz2vMMxIzjH7QxolxFVcdA1QFVRTevM+N30qdl+zVQZK5gyP1rS X9BA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.221.55.8 with SMTP id vw8mr3081081vcb.8.1389818726999; Wed, 15 Jan 2014 12:45:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.58.152.175 with HTTP; Wed, 15 Jan 2014 12:45:26 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2014 16:45:26 -0400 Message-ID: From: "N. Jackson" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11338a6a866c7d04f0086394 X-Spam-Score: -0.4 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.4 (/) --001a11338a6a866c7d04f0086394 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On 2014-01-15 13:09, Glenn Morris wrote: > Hmm, yet the info page for info says: > > If you are new to the Info reader and want to learn how to use it, > type the command `h' now. It brings you to a programmed instruction > sequence. Indeed, from the command line the command "info info" pulls up a node containing this exact text. However pressing H brings up the tutorial whereas pressing h actually brings up the help page with the keyboard commands that is promised by the man page and which I'm also trying to get to by pressing h in the Emacs Info viewer. This incredibly useful page (it is identified in the status line as "Info: *Info Help*") begins: Basic Info command keys x Close this help window. q Quit Info altogether. H Invoke the Info tutorial. Up Move up one line. Down Move down one line. DEL Scroll backward one screenful. SPC Scroll forward one screenful. Home Go to the beginning of this node. End Go to the end of this node. TAB Skip to the next hypertext link. RET Follow the hypertext link under the cursor. l Go back to the last node seen in this window. [ Go to the previous node in the document. ] Go to the next node in the document. p Go to the previous node on this level. n Go to the next node on this level. u Go up one level. t Go to the top node of this document. d Go to the main `directory' node. 1...9 Pick the first...ninth item in this node's menu. 0 Pick the last item in this node's menu. m Pick a menu item specified by name. r Follow a cross reference specified by name. g Go to a node specified by name. s Search forward for a specified string. { Search for previous occurrence. } Search for next occurrence. i Search for a specified string in the index, and select the node referenced by the first entry found. I Synthesize menu of matching index entries. C-g Cancel the current operation. Note the H Invoke the Info tutorial. And also much further down the list of keys, it says (under the heading "Commands available in Info windows:") H (get-info-help-node)Visit Info node `(info)Help' and h (get-help-window)Display help message Clearly there are inconsistencies / documentation bugs in Info. As far as Emacs goes though, if h rather than H is *intended* to bring up the tutorial (which it does), then there is not an Emacs bug here, unless there is no way to get to the list of keyboard commands (which is arguably *the* most important page in the Info documentation). Would it not seem to be a flaw in the Emacs Info viewer if it is not easy to get to this information, and obvious how to do so? --001a11338a6a866c7d04f0086394 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On 2014-01-15 13:09, Glenn Morris wrote:
> Hmm, yet = the info page for info says:
>
>=A0=A0=A0=A0 If you are new to= the Info reader and want to learn how to use it,
>=A0=A0=A0=A0 type = the command `h' now.=A0 It brings you to a programmed instruction
>=A0=A0=A0=A0 sequence.

Indeed, from the command line the command= "info info" pulls up a node
containing this exact text. Howe= ver pressing H brings up the tutorial
whereas pressing h actually bring= s up the help page with the keyboard
commands that is promised by the man page and which I'm also trying to get to by pressing h in the Emacs Info viewer.

This incredibly = useful page (it is identified in the status line as
"Info: *Info H= elp*") begins:

=A0=A0 Basic Info command keys
=A0 =A0
=A0=A0 x=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0 Close this help window.
=A0=A0 q=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0 Quit Info altogether.
=A0=A0 H=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Invoke = the Info tutorial.
=A0 =A0
=A0=A0 Up=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Move = up one line.
=A0=A0 Down=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Move down one line.
=A0=A0 DEL=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Scroll backward one screenful.
=A0=A0= SPC=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Scroll forward one screenful.
=A0=A0 Home= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Go to the beginning of this node.
=A0=A0 End=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Go to the end of this node.
=A0 =A0
=A0=A0 TAB=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Skip to the next hypertext link.
=A0=A0 RET=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Follow the hypertext link under the curs= or.
=A0=A0 l=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Go back to the last node seen= in this window.
=A0 =A0
=A0=A0 [=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Go to= the previous node in the document.
=A0=A0 ]=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0 Go to the next node in the document.
=A0=A0 p=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Go to the previous node on this leve= l.
=A0=A0 n=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Go to the next node on this le= vel.
=A0=A0 u=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Go up one level.
=A0=A0 t= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Go to the top node of this document.
=A0= =A0 d=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Go to the main `directory' node. =A0 =A0
=A0=A0 1...9=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Pick the first...ninth item in th= is node's menu.
=A0=A0 0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Pick the last= item in this node's menu.
=A0=A0 m=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Pi= ck a menu item specified by name.
=A0=A0 r=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= Follow a cross reference specified by name.
=A0=A0 g=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Go to a node specified by name.
= =A0 =A0
=A0=A0 s=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Search forward for a spec= ified string.
=A0=A0 {=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Search for previous= occurrence.
=A0=A0 }=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Search for next occu= rrence.
=A0=A0 i=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Search for a specified st= ring in the index, and
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 select the node referenced= by the first entry found.
=A0=A0 I=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Synthe= size menu of matching index entries.
=A0 =A0
=A0=A0 C-g=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0 Cancel the current operation.
=A0=A0 =A0
Note the
=A0=A0 H=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Invoke the Info tutorial.

And also much further down the list of keys, it says (under the
hea= ding "Commands available in Info windows:")

=A0=A0 H=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0 (get-info-help-node)Visit Info node `(info)Help'

an= d

=A0=A0 h=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 (get-help-window)Display help message<= br>
Clearly there are inconsistencies / documentation bugs in Info.

= As far as Emacs goes though, if h rather than H is *intended* to bring
= up the tutorial (which it does), then there is not an Emacs bug here,
unless there is no way to get to the list of keyboard commands (which
i= s arguably *the* most important page in the Info documentation). Would
= it not seem to be a flaw in the Emacs Info viewer if it is not easy to
get to this information, and obvious how to do so?

--001a11338a6a866c7d04f0086394-- From unknown Tue Aug 19 21:52:48 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#16455: 24.3; (Emacs Info) h command behaves like H command Resent-From: Glenn Morris Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2014 21:17:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 16455 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: "N. Jackson" Cc: 16455@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 16455-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B16455.13898205978207 (code B ref 16455); Wed, 15 Jan 2014 21:17:01 +0000 Received: (at 16455) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Jan 2014 21:16:37 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52492 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1W3XpF-00028I-8h for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 15 Jan 2014 16:16:37 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:60597) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1W3XpD-000285-Td for 16455@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 15 Jan 2014 16:16:36 -0500 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W3XpC-0004nT-Mn; Wed, 15 Jan 2014 16:16:34 -0500 From: Glenn Morris References: X-Spook: crypto anarchy virus Uzbekistan AVN jihad credit card X-Ran: O:`oO2QnJqJ+BN]!&wmxxg"L)IhG95g&PSe[X*z&sU$iq44G7#H[#Z<"/mTNU!{NB00jQ0 X-Hue: yellow X-Attribution: GM Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2014 16:16:34 -0500 In-Reply-To: (N. Jackson's message of "Wed, 15 Jan 2014 16:45:26 -0400") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -5.3 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.3 (-----) "N. Jackson" wrote: > unless there is no way to get to the list of keyboard commands (which > is arguably *the* most important page in the Info documentation). Would > it not seem to be a flaw in the Emacs Info viewer if it is not easy to > get to this information, and obvious how to do so? Use standard Emacs commands for listing key bindings, eg `C-h m'. From unknown Tue Aug 19 21:52:48 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#16455: 24.3; (Emacs Info) h command behaves like H command Resent-From: "N. Jackson" Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2014 03:04:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 16455 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Glenn Morris Cc: 16455@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 16455-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B16455.138984143020479 (code B ref 16455); Thu, 16 Jan 2014 03:04:02 +0000 Received: (at 16455) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Jan 2014 03:03:50 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52689 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1W3dFF-0005KE-Qi for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 15 Jan 2014 22:03:50 -0500 Received: from mail-ve0-f194.google.com ([209.85.128.194]:57705) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1W3dFD-0005K6-8R for 16455@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 15 Jan 2014 22:03:48 -0500 Received: by mail-ve0-f194.google.com with SMTP id jw12so145625veb.1 for <16455@debbugs.gnu.org>; Wed, 15 Jan 2014 19:03:46 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=dfklMtcZr0JwXyVBC231p6CornuQnCS3QNwtKXIEqp4=; b=Ft2iLMZNCBnoFq6bvi0b6/q35k1RjU94V3MYSAXnMRuP8cwpyC7ruQvx9FxahyQkkZ VkCDSbHTEpABsu3YtPU1DZpMMh2TIien/YTbEOzLkYIzw7Ery29PcBP69iNbxeXJPuCL 8xNsuxtT/AiP9UaZN1rf6etxaHEIVl5WKRRPRuULs52iwQD+bk6pGMP0pEWXxHkyCJWd /XJWVOi5/CjqiaEhL+KJUJbiWyb6CagqRKj9XmjPUd6xIKg5vEt4VpprqLp2JrW1e9WS fchDM80MwolaRlPS3aaDYRvePLnnshcrm/wF+eOshrZOqfSsjVPiR1m++azY6hl2hYsT 20Dg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.59.0.193 with SMTP id ba1mr4517648ved.12.1389841426549; Wed, 15 Jan 2014 19:03:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.58.152.175 with HTTP; Wed, 15 Jan 2014 19:03:46 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2014 23:03:46 -0400 Message-ID: From: "N. Jackson" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -0.4 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.4 (/) On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 5:16 PM, Glenn Morris wrote: > Use standard Emacs commands for listing key bindings, eg `C-h m'. Ah! Thank you Glen. That's exactly what I wanted to see. I had no idea that C-h m listed key bindings, I thought it just provided information about the prevailing modes. Of course, key bindings in a mode are information about the mode. I'd just never thought of it. I haven't used C-h m since I ran the Emacs tutorial three and a half years ago. >From there it brings up information about fundamental mode, no obvious key binding documentation, and I had filed the command in my head as "rather useless"! My mistake. So the confusion turns out to be my ignorance plus the inconsistent Info documentation, and no bug in Emacs [Currently. Although if the Info documentation is fixed to be self-consistent, it seems that Emacs Info mode might need to change so that H invokes the Info tutorial?], so please close this bug. Sorry for wasting time. From unknown Tue Aug 19 21:52:48 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#16455: 24.3; (Emacs Info) h command behaves like H command Resent-From: "N. Jackson" Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2014 03:16:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 16455 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Glenn Morris Cc: 16455@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 16455-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B16455.138984211521656 (code B ref 16455); Thu, 16 Jan 2014 03:16:02 +0000 Received: (at 16455) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Jan 2014 03:15:15 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52693 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1W3dQI-0005dD-3D for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 15 Jan 2014 22:15:14 -0500 Received: from mail-vc0-f196.google.com ([209.85.220.196]:63748) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1W3dQF-0005d4-KK for 16455@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 15 Jan 2014 22:15:12 -0500 Received: by mail-vc0-f196.google.com with SMTP id lf12so145962vcb.11 for <16455@debbugs.gnu.org>; Wed, 15 Jan 2014 19:15:11 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=KAVYfrA3MQ1ktmwSkHT1YK/rBnpfNDZYzNkEUjCT4rY=; b=uMY6RjH8rEJ4nMVCNnIWs2gz7ACLf9F5W7HmuBnmU22zvNI7073n/AhLxK+erlKMzA e+cRWBbEoc8D1SR8rNUWQsR0xMI+QN2eI/4ap+nNhbxISQJwOgz9qed24wsPN3qx5tgA oKN8L/zE4sYHs3JGnhpbctqaXbpO5gY/hj3PNY18XEl5lfiCnyC7y4zXsAOJ3d34FIva 2UbY+ul4nuRPRXd2TMSxBNhvrvsPCb8SXtgFSo/YcBJqA+jnPLLPzy+oHJsaRHZIVixS tl2cmg8bPdFbZT4EwkwusI6AvkRHa38N3V8mfEV9ZCar/9DJhHWe+R444uVbsB21F40b HJEQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.52.31.227 with SMTP id d3mr20798vdi.38.1389842111008; Wed, 15 Jan 2014 19:15:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.58.152.175 with HTTP; Wed, 15 Jan 2014 19:15:10 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2014 23:15:10 -0400 Message-ID: From: "N. Jackson" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -0.4 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.4 (/) On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 11:03 PM, N. Jackson wrote: > Ah! Thank you Glen. ... ^ Thank you Glenn. From unknown Tue Aug 19 21:52:48 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#16455: 24.3; (Emacs Info) h command behaves like H command In-Reply-To: Resent-From: Glenn Morris Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2014 08:29:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 16455 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: "N. Jackson" Cc: 16455@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 16455-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B16455.138986088922315 (code B ref 16455); Thu, 16 Jan 2014 08:29:01 +0000 Received: (at 16455) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Jan 2014 08:28:09 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52788 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1W3iJ6-0005nq-Rc for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 16 Jan 2014 03:28:09 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:41234) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1W3iJ4-0005nh-7v for 16455@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 16 Jan 2014 03:28:06 -0500 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W3iJ2-0001xs-CL; Thu, 16 Jan 2014 03:28:04 -0500 From: Glenn Morris References: X-Spook: Iran Blowpipe propaganda TELINT cryptanalysis Medco X-Ran: $s50)7/"kJJ[F|J==o,Kw>@\Yv),=l%5 User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -5.3 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.3 (-----) You're welcome. It seems to me that the standalone info program has at least a documentation bug (it says "h" should do one thing in the --help output and the manual page, and another in the info pages). Also the `h' key is inconsistent wrt Emacs's info reader (if that matters). Would you like to report it to bug-texinfo@gnu.org? From unknown Tue Aug 19 21:52:48 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#16455: 24.3; (Emacs Info) h command behaves like H command Resent-From: "N. Jackson" Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2014 16:26:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 16455 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Glenn Morris Cc: 16455@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 16455-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B16455.138988951921533 (code B ref 16455); Thu, 16 Jan 2014 16:26:02 +0000 Received: (at 16455) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Jan 2014 16:25:19 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53863 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1W3pks-0005bE-Hw for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 16 Jan 2014 11:25:18 -0500 Received: from mail-ve0-f196.google.com ([209.85.128.196]:38953) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1W3pkp-0005b5-Bp for 16455@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 16 Jan 2014 11:25:16 -0500 Received: by mail-ve0-f196.google.com with SMTP id jy13so213136veb.11 for <16455@debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 16 Jan 2014 08:25:14 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=BFyLkX5youQKV2GRk/jCMwU1DbXRJKZbWk7OzRPRKGA=; b=TX7XE5jt7pNNGd0Uzqq5UcuMHoyVYMywHwG8fR/y24epUqb+CB3eHoEW3nYayorvbp bCmaHvczDIXmVQ/fCENCXjKwX86IhuTulqfr+nwI/y/r+byKNYkbsXVuiPa+wsiZ1row i8flyvnYSV+he96nLkL7oZ8F5fOi7PBRq7u+/gDf7mwwzAxsYJ2kRV/2Z1KlRlJcgTSK tUiABW3cpHa1wA8OLq2VKZUQMpG9SA2Blgu68Huej8fvv+6cEnukMAfBh8e9sIBvURJx dDcQCv34oRjWu948ua8YGLolrkcjuBOeN96ZJei0o2ztfTu7qpXyKGF5yofgcsAhYKHi 807w== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.193.70 with SMTP id dt6mr7241286vcb.17.1389889514791; Thu, 16 Jan 2014 08:25:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.58.152.175 with HTTP; Thu, 16 Jan 2014 08:25:14 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2014 12:25:14 -0400 Message-ID: From: "N. Jackson" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -0.4 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.4 (/) On 2014-01-16 04:28, Glenn Morris wrote: > Would you like to report it to bug-texinfo@gnu.org? Yes. I did so [1]. I feel bad about raising such tiny issues. However, the people most likely to be affected by this are first-time users and I feel it's important that they not be given a negative and inconsistent experience unnecessarily. [1] http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-texinfo/2014-01/msg00024.html From unknown Tue Aug 19 21:52:48 2025 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.503 (Entity 5.503) X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org From: help-debbugs@gnu.org (GNU bug Tracking System) To: "N. Jackson" Subject: bug#16455: closed (Re: bug#16455: 24.3; (Emacs Info) h command behaves like H command) Message-ID: References: X-Gnu-PR-Message: they-closed 16455 X-Gnu-PR-Package: emacs Reply-To: 16455@debbugs.gnu.org Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2014 02:18:02 +0000 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------=_1393553882-31584-1" This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1393553882-31584-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Your bug report #16455: 24.3; (Emacs Info) h command behaves like H command which was filed against the emacs package, has been closed. The explanation is attached below, along with your original report. If you require more details, please reply to 16455@debbugs.gnu.org. --=20 16455: http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D16455 GNU Bug Tracking System Contact help-debbugs@gnu.org with problems ------------=_1393553882-31584-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at 16455-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Feb 2014 02:17:35 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43303 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WJD15-0008Ca-8E for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 27 Feb 2014 21:17:35 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:49874) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WJD13-0008CQ-Ur for 16455-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 27 Feb 2014 21:17:34 -0500 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WJD13-0002cT-2y; Thu, 27 Feb 2014 21:17:33 -0500 From: Glenn Morris To: 16455-done@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#16455: 24.3; (Emacs Info) h command behaves like H command References: X-Spook: Becker Perl-RSA BCCI Mena militia underground Kh-11 data X-Ran: xx4ww^G}%w7mdzM3.n4P@/_t&:`OL}$A>Rw^2}zV`=xh7@xJqi!#7$s3Jw (N. Jackson's message of "Thu, 16 Jan 2014 12:25:14 -0400") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 16455-done X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) Version: 24.4 Emacs added the H binding for describe-mode, for compatibility with (future versions of) standalone info. 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Jackson" To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bd6b800a3d5fd04f003f545 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -3.8 (---) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 15 Jan 2014 11:51:46 -0500 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.8 (---) --047d7bd6b800a3d5fd04f003f545 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable $ emacs -Q M-x info RET h Expected behaviour: The Info command keys are listed. For example, the man entry for Info (M-x man RET info RET) says "For a summary of key bindings, type h within Info." Actual behaviour: The Emacs Info viewer goes to the tutorial ("1.2 How to use Info"). [That is the expected behaviour with the H command not the h command.] Additional information: Stand alone Info (Version: info (GNU texinfo) 5.1) behaves as expected for both h (displays key bindings) and H (displays tutorial). In GNU Emacs 24.3.1 (x86_64-redhat-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.8.2) of 2013-08-14 on buildvm-15.phx2.fedoraproject.org Windowing system distributor `Fedora Project', version 11.0.11404000 System Description: Fedora release 19 (Schr=F6dinger=92s Cat) Configured using: `configure '--build=3Dx86_64-redhat-linux-gnu' '--host=3Dx86_64-redhat-linux-gnu' '--program-prefix=3D' '--disable-dependency-tracking' '--prefix=3D/usr' '--exec-prefix=3D/usr' '--bindir=3D/usr/bin' '--sbindir=3D/usr/sbin' '--sysconfdir=3D/etc' '--datadir=3D/usr/share' '--includedir=3D/usr/include' '--libdir=3D/usr/lib64' '--libexecdir=3D/usr/libexec' '--localstatedir=3D/var' '--sharedstatedir=3D/var/lib' '--mandir=3D/usr/share/man' '--infodir=3D/usr/share/info' '--with-dbus' '--with-gif' '--with-jpeg' '--with-png' '--with-rsvg' '--with-tiff' '--with-xft' '--with-xpm' '--with-x-toolkit=3Dgtk3' '--with-gpm=3Dno' 'build_alias=3Dx86_64-redhat-linux-gnu' 'host_alias=3Dx86_64-redhat-linux-gnu' 'CFLAGS=3D-DMAIL_USE_LOCKF -O2 -g -pipe -Wall -Wp,-D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=3D2 -fexceptions -fstack-protector --param=3Dssp-buffer-size=3D4 -grecord-gcc-switches -m64 -mtune=3Dgeneric' 'LDFLAGS=3D-Wl,-z,relro '' Important settings: value of $LC_MONETARY: en_DK.utf8 value of $LC_NUMERIC: en_DK.utf8 value of $LC_TIME: en_DK.utf8 value of $LANG: en_CA.utf8 value of $XMODIFIERS: @im=3Dibus locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix default enable-multibyte-characters: t Major mode: Info Minor modes in effect: tooltip-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t tool-bar-mode: t menu-bar-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t blink-cursor-mode: t auto-composition-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t buffer-read-only: t line-number-mode: t transient-mark-mode: t Recent input: M-x i n f o h M-x r e p o r t Recent messages: For information about GNU Emacs and the GNU system, type C-h C-a. Composing main Info directory...done You can run the command `info' with C-h i Composing main Info directory...done Making completion list... Load-path shadows: None found. Features: (shadow sort gnus-util mail-extr emacsbug message format-spec rfc822 mml mml-sec mm-decode mm-bodies mm-encode mail-parse rfc2231 mailabbrev gmm-utils mailheader sendmail rfc2047 rfc2045 ietf-drums mm-util mail-prsvr mail-utils help-mode jka-compr info easymenu time-date tooltip ediff-hook vc-hooks lisp-float-type mwheel x-win x-dnd tool-bar dnd fontset image regexp-opt fringe tabulated-list newcomment lisp-mode register page menu-bar rfn-eshadow timer select scroll-bar mouse jit-lock font-lock syntax facemenu font-core frame cham georgian utf-8-lang misc-lang vietnamese tibetan thai tai-viet lao korean japanese hebrew greek romanian slovak czech european ethiopic indian cyrillic chinese case-table epa-hook jka-cmpr-hook help simple abbrev minibuffer loaddefs button faces cus-face macroexp files text-properties overlay sha1 md5 base64 format env code-pages mule custom widget hashtable-print-readable backquote make-network-process dbusbind dynamic-setting system-font-setting font-render-setting move-toolbar gtk x-toolkit x multi-tty emacs) --047d7bd6b800a3d5fd04f003f545 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
$ emacs -Q
M-x info RET
h

Expected behaviour:=
The Info command keys are listed.

For example, the man entry for= Info (M-x man RET info RET) says "For a
summary of key bindings, t= ype h within Info."

Actual behaviour:
The Emacs Info viewer goes to the tutorial ("= 1.2 How to use
Info"). [That is the expected behaviour with the H c= ommand not the h
command.]

Additional information:
Stand alone= Info (Version: info (GNU texinfo) 5.1) behaves as expected
for both h (displays key bindings) and H (displays tutorial).

In GNU= Emacs 24.3.1 (x86_64-redhat-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.8.2)
=A0of 2013-0= 8-14 on buildvm-15.phx= 2.fedoraproject.org
Windowing system distributor `Fedora Project', version 11.0.11404000System Description:=A0=A0=A0 Fedora release 19 (Schr=F6dinger=92s Cat)
=
Configured using:
=A0`configure '--build=3Dx86_64-redhat-linux-g= nu'
=A0'--host=3Dx86_64-redhat-linux-gnu' '--program-prefix=3D'=
=A0'--disable-dependency-tracking' '--prefix=3D/usr' &#= 39;--exec-prefix=3D/usr'
=A0'--bindir=3D/usr/bin' '--sbi= ndir=3D/usr/sbin' '--sysconfdir=3D/etc'
=A0'--datadir=3D/usr/share' '--includedir=3D/usr/include'=A0'--libdir=3D/usr/lib64' '--libexecdir=3D/usr/libexec'<= br>=A0'--localstatedir=3D/var' '--sharedstatedir=3D/var/lib'= ;
=A0'--mandir=3D/usr/share/man' '--infodir=3D/usr/share/inf= o' '--with-dbus'
=A0'--with-gif' '--with-jpeg' '--with-png' '--w= ith-rsvg' '--with-tiff'
=A0'--with-xft' '--with-= xpm' '--with-x-toolkit=3Dgtk3' '--with-gpm=3Dno'
=A0= 'build_alias=3Dx86_64-redhat-linux-gnu'
=A0'host_alias=3Dx86_64-redhat-linux-gnu' 'CFLAGS=3D-DMAIL_USE_= LOCKF -O2 -g
=A0-pipe -Wall -Wp,-D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=3D2 -fexceptions -fsta= ck-protector
=A0--param=3Dssp-buffer-size=3D4 -grecord-gcc-switches -m64= -mtune=3Dgeneric'
=A0'LDFLAGS=3D-Wl,-z,relro ''

Important settings:
=A0= value of $LC_MONETARY: en_DK.utf8
=A0 value of $LC_NUMERIC: en_DK.utf8<= br>=A0 value of $LC_TIME: en_DK.utf8
=A0 value of $LANG: en_CA.utf8
= =A0 value of $XMODIFIERS: @im=3Dibus
=A0 locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix
=A0 default enable-multibyte-charac= ters: t

Major mode: Info

Minor modes in effect:
=A0 toolti= p-mode: t
=A0 mouse-wheel-mode: t
=A0 tool-bar-mode: t
=A0 menu-ba= r-mode: t
=A0 file-name-shadow-mode: t
=A0 global-font-lock-mode: t
=A0 font-lo= ck-mode: t
=A0 blink-cursor-mode: t
=A0 auto-composition-mode: t
= =A0 auto-encryption-mode: t
=A0 auto-compression-mode: t
=A0 buffer-r= ead-only: t
=A0 line-number-mode: t
=A0 transient-mark-mode: t

Recent input:<= br>M-x i n f o <return> h M-x r e <tab> p o r t <tab> <return>

Recent messages:
For information about GNU Emacs = and the GNU system, type C-h C-a.
Composing main Info directory...done
You can run the command `info' = with C-h i
Composing main Info directory...done
Making completion lis= t...

Load-path shadows:
None found.

Features:
(shadow s= ort gnus-util mail-extr emacsbug message format-spec rfc822 mml
mml-sec mm-decode mm-bodies mm-encode mail-parse rfc2231 mailabbrev
gmm-= utils mailheader sendmail rfc2047 rfc2045 ietf-drums mm-util
mail-prsvr = mail-utils help-mode jka-compr info easymenu time-date
tooltip ediff-hoo= k vc-hooks lisp-float-type mwheel x-win x-dnd tool-bar
dnd fontset image regexp-opt fringe tabulated-list newcomment lisp-mode
= register page menu-bar rfn-eshadow timer select scroll-bar mouse
jit-loc= k font-lock syntax facemenu font-core frame cham georgian
utf-8-lang mis= c-lang vietnamese tibetan thai tai-viet lao korean
japanese hebrew greek romanian slovak czech european ethiopic indian
cyr= illic chinese case-table epa-hook jka-cmpr-hook help simple abbrev
minib= uffer loaddefs button faces cus-face macroexp files text-properties
overlay sha1 md5 base64 format env code-pages mule custom widget
hashtab= le-print-readable backquote make-network-process dbusbind
dynamic-settin= g system-font-setting font-render-setting move-toolbar gtk
x-toolkit x m= ulti-tty emacs)


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