From unknown Sat Jun 21 05:20:17 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#16318 <16318@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#16318 <16318@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: 24.3; customize-group shows variables from overloaded built-in packages Reply-To: bug#16318 <16318@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2025 12:20:17 +0000 retitle 16318 24.3; customize-group shows variables from overloaded built-i= n packages reassign 16318 emacs submitter 16318 stephen_leake@stephe-leake.org severity 16318 wishlist thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Jan 01 16:26:43 2014 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Jan 2014 21:26:43 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56605 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VyTJJ-0008SS-NI for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 01 Jan 2014 16:26:42 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:54261) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VyTJF-0008SI-Pm for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 01 Jan 2014 16:26:38 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VyTJ5-0007io-W7 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 01 Jan 2014 16:26:37 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,T_FRT_PACKAGE autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:54692) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VyTJ5-0007ik-T6 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 01 Jan 2014 16:26:27 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:55970) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VyTIy-0003Ud-EL for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 01 Jan 2014 16:26:27 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VyTIl-0007ht-5m for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 01 Jan 2014 16:26:20 -0500 Received: from cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com ([107.14.166.226]:2234 helo=cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VyTIk-0007he-Vg for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 01 Jan 2014 16:26:07 -0500 Received: from [75.87.81.6] ([75.87.81.6:51460] helo=TAKVER) by cdptpa-oedge03 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 20/7F-08839-BE784C25; Wed, 01 Jan 2014 21:26:03 +0000 Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2014 15:26:00 -0600 Message-Id: <85eh4r4cnr.fsf@stephe-leake.org> From: stephen_leake@stephe-leake.org To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 24.3; customize-group shows variables from overloaded built-in packages X-RR-Connecting-IP: 107.14.168.142:25 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: BaiduSpider X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.3 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -4.3 (----) starting from emacs -Q, with no packages installed: (package-initialize) (package-install 'ada-mode) (customize-group 'ada) This displays variables from built-in Ada mode 4.01 (for example ada-xref-confirm-compile), even though the newer Ada mode 5.0 is installed, which does not declare those variables. In GNU Emacs 24.3.1 (i386-mingw-nt6.1.7601) of 2013-03-17 on MARVIN Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 6.1.7601 Configured using: `configure --with-gcc (4.7) --cflags -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/libXpm-3.5.8/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/libXpm-3.5.8/src -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/libpng-dev_1.4.3-1/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/zlib-dev_1.2.5-2/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/giflib-4.1.4-1/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/jpeg-6b-4/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/tiff-3.8.2-1/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/gnutls-3.0.9/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/libiconv-1.13.1-1-dev/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/libxml2-2.7.8/include/libxml2' Important settings: value of $LANG: en_US.UTF-8 locale-coding-system: cp1252 default enable-multibyte-characters: t Major mode: Custom Minor modes in effect: display-time-mode: t delete-selection-mode: t tooltip-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t menu-bar-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t auto-composition-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t line-number-mode: t transient-mark-mode: t Recent input: C-h v a d a - x r e f C-g C-h v a d a - x r e C-g C-h v a d a - x r e C-g M-x r e p o r t p a c k a g e c u s o m i t o m i C-g C-h f b r o c r u r s s s t i m o m i z e - b C-SPC C-g M-x Recent messages: Loading system routine info in idle time... Failed to convert XML routine info, falling back on idlw-rinfo. Could not locate any system routine information. Loading system routine info in idle time...done Normalizing idlwave-system-routines in idle time...done Loading and normalizing library catalogs in idle time...done Finishing initialization in idle time... Scanning all buffers... Quit Making completion list... 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Content preview: stephen_leake@stephe-leake.org writes: > starting from emacs -Q, with no packages installed: > > (package-initialize) > (package-install 'ada-mode) > (customize-group 'ada) > > This displays variables from built-in Ada mode 4.01 (for examp [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 16318 Cc: 16318@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) stephen_leake@stephe-leake.org writes: > starting from emacs -Q, with no packages installed: > > (package-initialize) > (package-install 'ada-mode) > (customize-group 'ada) > > This displays variables from built-in Ada mode 4.01 (for example > ada-xref-confirm-compile), even though the newer Ada mode 5.0 is > installed, which does not declare those variables. (I'm going through old bug reports that unfortunately weren't resolved at the time.) ada-mode is no longer bundled with Emacs, so this is presumably not a problem still. I guess it could be a problem with other packages like this (if defcustoms from those packages end up in loaddefs), but there will probably not be any progress here unless somebody comes up with an example of that phenomenon, so I'm closing this bug report. (If somebody sees something like this, opening a new bug report is probably for the best.) -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed May 11 08:38:39 2022 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 May 2022 12:38:39 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36424 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nolbz-0004cm-Ht for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 11 May 2022 08:38:39 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:40884) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nolby-0004cL-DA for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 11 May 2022 08:38:38 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Subject:From:To:Message-Id:Date:Sender:Reply-To:Cc: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=anQ14FlWlIWO+GgQxF/g1mvZ6lsQCESaigjxrrIqK+o=; b=vIMkhUxaP2OZkV0D5NJaecc3nP klIdO2KUOmStoGtIeKBq1sIF2DzNSxq80yKFcemmuZZthkhaI0eyIi/Ty9dr/pCOH5lrDQsbAyoJn DxVO5HNrgTW5yG9pHWrEGUuF/fg4aWYY34H5JsalWMCAkGpWsiYBN9ntZHl0BUzBED8I=; Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nolbq-0008CF-K3 for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 11 May 2022 14:38:32 +0200 Date: Wed, 11 May 2022 14:38:30 +0200 Message-Id: <87fslg9rcp.fsf@gnus.org> To: control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: control message for bug #16318 X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. 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