From unknown Sun Jun 22 00:49:54 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#16216: 24.3.50; entries in `ucs-names' Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2013 02:10:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 16216 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 16216@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.138767818824048 (code B ref -1); Sun, 22 Dec 2013 02:10:01 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Dec 2013 02:09:48 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33821 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VuYUF-0006Fn-Ct for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 21 Dec 2013 21:09:48 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:40765) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VuYUC-0006Fc-GE for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 21 Dec 2013 21:09:45 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VuYU4-0001zM-Im for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 21 Dec 2013 21:09:44 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:43907) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VuYU4-0001zH-FH for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 21 Dec 2013 21:09:36 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:42476) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VuYTx-0000BL-6o for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 21 Dec 2013 21:09:36 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VuYTq-0001xl-Bi for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 21 Dec 2013 21:09:29 -0500 Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:29586) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VuYTq-0001xd-5U for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 21 Dec 2013 21:09:22 -0500 Received: from ucsinet21.oracle.com (ucsinet21.oracle.com [156.151.31.93]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.1/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.1) with ESMTP id rBM29JIV021956 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Sun, 22 Dec 2013 02:09:20 GMT Received: from aserz7022.oracle.com (aserz7022.oracle.com [141.146.126.231]) by ucsinet21.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id rBM29ItJ009838 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 22 Dec 2013 02:09:19 GMT Received: from ubhmt103.oracle.com (ubhmt103.oracle.com [156.151.24.8]) by aserz7022.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id rBM29Ia2015998 for ; Sun, 22 Dec 2013 02:09:18 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2013 18:09:17 -0800 (PST) From: Drew Adams X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.8 (707110) [OL 12.0.6680.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: ucsinet21.oracle.com [156.151.31.93] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x-2.6.x [generic] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) The doc for `insert-char' and `ucs-names' is sketchy. But it does at least say that it is about inserting a character "using its UNICODE name or its code point." So what are all of those `' character names about? Many characters are listed in `ucs-names' as having this same "character name", `': C-x 8 RET TAB C-g C-h v ucs-names C-s C-s C-s... And yet, AFAICT, there is no UNICODE character that has the name `', or even any name that has that as a substring. http://www.unicode.org/charts/charindex.html The seems like a bug. But since the description of `ucs-names' is so sketchy it's hard to assert that. If this is not a bug, then: 1. In what way is `' a "CHAR-NAME" for a character with any code point? What does CHAR-NAME mean in this case? 2. What is the purpose of the multiple `' CHAR-NAMEs? 3. Why are different CHAR-CODE values associated with the same CHAR-NAME, `'? What does that mean? 4. Try `C-x 8 RET , the one with code point decimal 159. That's the character named "APPLICATION PROGRAM COMMAND". Why that one? In GNU Emacs 24.3.50.1 (i686-pc-mingw32) of 2013-12-16 on ODIEONE Bzr revision: 115543 rudalics@gmx.at-20131216095844-lbjh5yerk6ff0tm7 Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 6.1.7601 Configured using: `configure --prefix=3D/c/Devel/emacs/binary --enable-checking=3Dyes,glyphs 'CFLAGS=3D-O0 -g3' LDFLAGS=3D-Lc:/Devel/emacs/lib CPPFLAGS=3D-Ic:/Devel/emacs/include' From unknown Sun Jun 22 00:49:54 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#16216: 24.3.50; entries in `ucs-names' Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2013 03:57:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 16216 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Drew Adams Cc: 16216@debbugs.gnu.org Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Received: via spool by 16216-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B16216.13876845714256 (code B ref 16216); Sun, 22 Dec 2013 03:57:02 +0000 Received: (at 16216) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Dec 2013 03:56:11 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33859 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Vua9D-00016a-5N for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 21 Dec 2013 22:56:11 -0500 Received: from mtaout21.012.net.il ([80.179.55.169]:37157) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Vua9A-00016R-Sp for 16216@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 21 Dec 2013 22:56:09 -0500 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout21.012.net.il by a-mtaout21.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0MY600B00W6ZKC00@a-mtaout21.012.net.il> for 16216@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 22 Dec 2013 05:56:07 +0200 (IST) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout21.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0MY600BVMW9JGX30@a-mtaout21.012.net.il>; Sun, 22 Dec 2013 05:56:07 +0200 (IST) Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2013 05:55:56 +0200 From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il Message-id: <83lhzd8roz.fsf@gnu.org> References: X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) > Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2013 18:09:17 -0800 (PST) > From: Drew Adams > > 1. In what way is `' a "CHAR-NAME" for a character with any > code point? What does CHAR-NAME mean in this case? Look at UnicodeData.txt, near the beginning of the file. From unknown Sun Jun 22 00:49:54 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#16216: 24.3.50; entries in `ucs-names' Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2013 05:09:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 16216 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: 16216@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 16216-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B16216.138768892212396 (code B ref 16216); Sun, 22 Dec 2013 05:09:02 +0000 Received: (at 16216) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Dec 2013 05:08:42 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33886 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VubHN-0003Ds-RD for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 22 Dec 2013 00:08:42 -0500 Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:35425) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VubHL-0003Di-0H for 16216@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 22 Dec 2013 00:08:39 -0500 Received: from acsinet21.oracle.com (acsinet21.oracle.com [141.146.126.237]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.1/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.1) with ESMTP id rBM58bGx029978 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 22 Dec 2013 05:08:38 GMT Received: from aserz7022.oracle.com (aserz7022.oracle.com [141.146.126.231]) by acsinet21.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id rBM58aBu026389 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 22 Dec 2013 05:08:37 GMT Received: from ubhmt103.oracle.com (ubhmt103.oracle.com [156.151.24.8]) by aserz7022.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id rBM58a3X023051; Sun, 22 Dec 2013 05:08:36 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2013 21:08:35 -0800 (PST) From: Drew Adams References: <> <<83lhzd8roz.fsf@gnu.org>> In-Reply-To: <<83lhzd8roz.fsf@gnu.org>> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.8 (707110) [OL 12.0.6680.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: acsinet21.oracle.com [141.146.126.237] X-Spam-Score: -2.8 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.8 (--) > Look at UnicodeData.txt, near the beginning of the file. I see; thanks. And I recall now that you pointed me to that file once before. Still, that does not really answer the questions I posed, AFAICT. At least not for a user of `ucs-names' or the other functions mentioned. If `ucs-names' essentially corresponds to UnicodeData.txt, how about citing that in its doc? Better yet, perhaps cite this, which seems to be the place that the fields of UnicodeData.txt are described: http://www.unicode.org/Public/5.1.0/ucd/UCD.html#UnicodeData.txt Still, part of my question is about `insert-char' and `read-char-by-name', which is really what most users will see. (Those are admittedly not the same as `ucs-names'. But they are currently the only consumers of the latter.) Should the `' entries of `ucs-names' be included for the completion provided by `read-char-by-name'? You can only choose one of them, anyway. What is the use case for that - the reason it is included as a possibility for `C-x 8 RET'? From unknown Sun Jun 22 00:49:54 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#16216: 24.3.50; entries in `ucs-names' Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2013 05:11:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 16216 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: 16216@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 16216-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B16216.138768905612657 (code B ref 16216); Sun, 22 Dec 2013 05:11:01 +0000 Received: (at 16216) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Dec 2013 05:10:56 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33890 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VubJX-0003I5-KA for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 22 Dec 2013 00:10:55 -0500 Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:35727) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VubJW-0003Hu-6G for 16216@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 22 Dec 2013 00:10:54 -0500 Received: from ucsinet21.oracle.com (ucsinet21.oracle.com [156.151.31.93]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.1/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.1) with ESMTP id rBM5Aq4W031287 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 22 Dec 2013 05:10:53 GMT Received: from aserz7021.oracle.com (aserz7021.oracle.com [141.146.126.230]) by ucsinet21.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id rBM5ApQq019950 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 22 Dec 2013 05:10:52 GMT Received: from ubhmt103.oracle.com (ubhmt103.oracle.com [156.151.24.8]) by aserz7021.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id rBM5Ap92000535; Sun, 22 Dec 2013 05:10:51 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <494da8b6-9a7b-4b35-af5c-c536675ba5c3@default> Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2013 21:10:50 -0800 (PST) From: Drew Adams References: <> <<83lhzd8roz.fsf@gnu.org>> In-Reply-To: X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.8 (707110) [OL 12.0.6680.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: ucsinet21.oracle.com [156.151.31.93] X-Spam-Score: -2.8 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.8 (--) > http://www.unicode.org/Public/5.1.0/ucd/UCD.html#UnicodeData.txt (That seems to have been replaced by this: http://www.unicode.org/reports/tr44/#UnicodeData.txt) From unknown Sun Jun 22 00:49:54 2025 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.503 (Entity 5.503) X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org From: help-debbugs@gnu.org (GNU bug Tracking System) To: Drew Adams Subject: bug#16216: closed (Re: bug#16216: 24.3.50; entries in `ucs-names') Message-ID: References: <83haa092oz.fsf@gnu.org> X-Gnu-PR-Message: they-closed 16216 X-Gnu-PR-Package: emacs Reply-To: 16216@debbugs.gnu.org Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2013 18:11:02 +0000 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------=_1387735862-15725-1" This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1387735862-15725-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Your bug report #16216: 24.3.50; entries in `ucs-names' which was filed against the emacs package, has been closed. The explanation is attached below, along with your original report. If you require more details, please reply to 16216@debbugs.gnu.org. --=20 16216: http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D16216 GNU Bug Tracking System Contact help-debbugs@gnu.org with problems ------------=_1387735862-15725-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at 16216-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Dec 2013 18:10:54 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34798 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VunUL-00045D-Pz for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 22 Dec 2013 13:10:54 -0500 Received: from mtaout20.012.net.il ([80.179.55.166]:56247) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VunUI-000453-7c for 16216-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 22 Dec 2013 13:10:51 -0500 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout20.012.net.il by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0MY700M00ZTRNY00@a-mtaout20.012.net.il> for 16216-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 22 Dec 2013 20:10:46 +0200 (IST) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0MY700MR4ZTXFJ70@a-mtaout20.012.net.il>; Sun, 22 Dec 2013 20:10:46 +0200 (IST) Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2013 20:10:36 +0200 From: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#16216: 24.3.50; entries in `ucs-names' In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il To: Drew Adams Message-id: <83haa092oz.fsf@gnu.org> References: X-Spam-Score: 2.2 (++) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "debbugs.gnu.org", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: > Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2013 21:08:35 -0800 (PST) > From: Drew Adams > Cc: 16216@debbugs.gnu.org > > > Look at UnicodeData.txt, near the beginning of the file. > > I see; thanks. And I recall now that you pointed me to that > file once before. > > Still, that does not really answer the questions I posed, AFAICT. > At least not for a user of `ucs-names' or the other functions > mentioned. 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: > Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2013 21:08:35 -0800 (PST) > From: Drew Adams > Cc: 16216@debbugs.gnu.org > > > Look at UnicodeData.txt, near the beginning of the file. > > I see; thanks. And I recall now that you pointed me to that > file once before. > > Still, that does not really answer the questions I posed, AFAICT. > At least not for a user of `ucs-names' or the other functions > mentioned. [...] Content analysis details: (2.2 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.179.55.166 listed in list.dnswl.org] 1.2 RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET RBL: Received via a relay in bl.spamcop.net [Blocked - see ] 1.0 SPF_SOFTFAIL SPF: sender does not match SPF record (softfail) > Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2013 21:08:35 -0800 (PST) > From: Drew Adams > Cc: 16216@debbugs.gnu.org > > > Look at UnicodeData.txt, near the beginning of the file. > > I see; thanks. And I recall now that you pointed me to that > file once before. > > Still, that does not really answer the questions I posed, AFAICT. > At least not for a user of `ucs-names' or the other functions > mentioned. I looked deeper and decided that this was a bug. The Unicode Standard explicitly says that control characters have no 'name' property (see Section 4.8 in the Standard), and that those "" things are just labels. The 'name' property cannot have lower-case characters of "<>" in it anyway. So starting with trunk revision 115693, all control characters will have nil as their 'name' property, and "C-x 8 RET < TAB" will say "No match". (Some of the control characters have 'old-name' property, so they still can be called out by name.) > If `ucs-names' essentially corresponds to UnicodeData.txt, how > about citing that in its doc? The exact file is an implementation detail (there's a corresponding XML file, which could be used if we wanted); the ELisp manual documents that the properties are derived from UCD, the Unicode Character Database. Thanks. ------------=_1387735862-15725-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Dec 2013 02:09:48 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33821 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VuYUF-0006Fn-Ct for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 21 Dec 2013 21:09:48 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:40765) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VuYUC-0006Fc-GE for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 21 Dec 2013 21:09:45 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VuYU4-0001zM-Im for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 21 Dec 2013 21:09:44 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:43907) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VuYU4-0001zH-FH for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 21 Dec 2013 21:09:36 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:42476) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VuYTx-0000BL-6o for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 21 Dec 2013 21:09:36 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VuYTq-0001xl-Bi for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 21 Dec 2013 21:09:29 -0500 Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:29586) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VuYTq-0001xd-5U for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 21 Dec 2013 21:09:22 -0500 Received: from ucsinet21.oracle.com (ucsinet21.oracle.com [156.151.31.93]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.1/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.1) with ESMTP id rBM29JIV021956 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Sun, 22 Dec 2013 02:09:20 GMT Received: from aserz7022.oracle.com (aserz7022.oracle.com [141.146.126.231]) by ucsinet21.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id rBM29ItJ009838 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 22 Dec 2013 02:09:19 GMT Received: from ubhmt103.oracle.com (ubhmt103.oracle.com [156.151.24.8]) by aserz7022.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id rBM29Ia2015998 for ; Sun, 22 Dec 2013 02:09:18 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2013 18:09:17 -0800 (PST) From: Drew Adams To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 24.3.50; entries in `ucs-names' X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.8 (707110) [OL 12.0.6680.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: ucsinet21.oracle.com [156.151.31.93] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x-2.6.x [generic] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) The doc for `insert-char' and `ucs-names' is sketchy. But it does at least say that it is about inserting a character "using its UNICODE name or its code point." So what are all of those `' character names about? Many characters are listed in `ucs-names' as having this same "character name", `': C-x 8 RET TAB C-g C-h v ucs-names C-s C-s C-s... And yet, AFAICT, there is no UNICODE character that has the name `', or even any name that has that as a substring. http://www.unicode.org/charts/charindex.html The seems like a bug. But since the description of `ucs-names' is so sketchy it's hard to assert that. If this is not a bug, then: 1. In what way is `' a "CHAR-NAME" for a character with any code point? What does CHAR-NAME mean in this case? 2. What is the purpose of the multiple `' CHAR-NAMEs? 3. Why are different CHAR-CODE values associated with the same CHAR-NAME, `'? What does that mean? 4. Try `C-x 8 RET , the one with code point decimal 159. That's the character named "APPLICATION PROGRAM COMMAND". Why that one? In GNU Emacs 24.3.50.1 (i686-pc-mingw32) of 2013-12-16 on ODIEONE Bzr revision: 115543 rudalics@gmx.at-20131216095844-lbjh5yerk6ff0tm7 Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 6.1.7601 Configured using: `configure --prefix=3D/c/Devel/emacs/binary --enable-checking=3Dyes,glyphs 'CFLAGS=3D-O0 -g3' LDFLAGS=3D-Lc:/Devel/emacs/lib CPPFLAGS=3D-Ic:/Devel/emacs/include' ------------=_1387735862-15725-1-- From unknown Sun Jun 22 00:49:54 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#16216: 24.3.50; entries in `ucs-names' Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2013 18:15:03 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 16216 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Drew Adams Cc: 16216@debbugs.gnu.org Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Received: via spool by 16216-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B16216.138773606116110 (code B ref 16216); Sun, 22 Dec 2013 18:15:03 +0000 Received: (at 16216) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Dec 2013 18:14:21 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34804 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VunXg-0004Bl-VM for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 22 Dec 2013 13:14:21 -0500 Received: from mtaout22.012.net.il ([80.179.55.172]:54494) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VunXe-0004Ba-22 for 16216@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 22 Dec 2013 13:14:19 -0500 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout22.012.net.il by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0MY700H00ZTOY600@a-mtaout22.012.net.il> for 16216@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 22 Dec 2013 20:13:42 +0200 (IST) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0MY700HY1ZYTOC70@a-mtaout22.012.net.il>; Sun, 22 Dec 2013 20:13:42 +0200 (IST) Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2013 20:13:32 +0200 From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: <494da8b6-9a7b-4b35-af5c-c536675ba5c3@default> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il Message-id: <83fvpk92k3.fsf@gnu.org> References: <494da8b6-9a7b-4b35-af5c-c536675ba5c3@default> X-Spam-Score: 2.2 (++) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "debbugs.gnu.org", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. 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Content preview: > Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2013 21:10:50 -0800 (PST) > From: Drew Adams > Cc: 16216@debbugs.gnu.org > > > http://www.unicode.org/Public/5.1.0/ucd/UCD.html#UnicodeData.txt > > (That seems to have been replaced by this: > http://www.unicode.org/reports/tr44/#UnicodeData.txt) [...] Content analysis details: (2.2 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.179.55.172 listed in list.dnswl.org] 1.2 RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET RBL: Received via a relay in bl.spamcop.net [Blocked - see ] 1.0 SPF_SOFTFAIL SPF: sender does not match SPF record (softfail) > Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2013 21:10:50 -0800 (PST) > From: Drew Adams > Cc: 16216@debbugs.gnu.org > > > http://www.unicode.org/Public/5.1.0/ucd/UCD.html#UnicodeData.txt > > (That seems to have been replaced by this: > http://www.unicode.org/reports/tr44/#UnicodeData.txt) The best references are to the "latest" version: http://www.unicode.org/Public/UCD/latest/ucd/UnicodeData.txt