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24.3.50; Disable ding when scrolling

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From: martin rudalics <rudalics <at> gmx.at>
To: Stefan Kangas <stefan <at> marxist.se>
Cc: "16196 <at> debbugs.gnu.org" <16196 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>, Stefan Monnier <monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca>
Subject: bug#16196: 24.3.50; Disable ding when scrolling
Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2019 10:17:42 +0200

>>   > To make it easier to review, I've also included a git diff
>>   > ignoring whitespace changes.
>>
>> This one doesn't apply here.
>
> Sorry, I should've been more clear.  This is the same as the patch but
> without the whitespace changes.  Please try applying the patch
> instead.  Thanks.

I obviously did that (otherwise I would have complained about the
patch in the first place) ;-)

>> AFAIAC it's an improvement.  But personally, I'd drop the message as
>> well.  Does anyone really need it?
>
> I'm personally prone to agree with you, but the reasoning in the previous
> discussion in this thread seems to be that we do want it.  Or at least
> something similar.
>
> Stefan Monnier <monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca> writes:
>
>> the general design of Emacs is that
>> we strive to make every command perform *something*, so when the user's
>> request ends up doing nothing, we signal an error to make it clear that
>> Emacs did obey the request.  Otherwise the lack of feedback can make the
>> user feel like Emacs is unresponsive.
>
> And later:
>
>> I'd rather keep some kind of feedback.  Maybe a `message'?
>
> Personally, I think the scrolling itself is enough feedback.  It
> either scrolls or it doesn't.  That's what happens in many other
> programs, for example in Firefox.  And scroll-bar-mode is enabled by
> default.
>
> But I think my opinion on this carries less weight than Stefan
> Monnier's.  :-)

My current *Messages* buffer is listed below.  I never look at it
because it just doesn't make sense.

Thanks anyway for your efforts to remove the beeps, martin


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