From unknown Mon Aug 11 21:13:37 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#15905: 24.3; url-copy-file sometimes silently downloads garbage or incomplete file Resent-From: Ryan Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2013 16:14:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 15905 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 15905@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.138453202527035 (code B ref -1); Fri, 15 Nov 2013 16:14:02 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Nov 2013 16:13:45 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56113 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VhM1f-00071x-1V for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 11:13:44 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:54899) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VhM1b-00071i-9u for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 11:13:41 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VhM1R-00026Y-Gy for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 11:13:34 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:36975) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VhM1R-00026S-DC for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 11:13:29 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:56603) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VhM1M-0006nQ-Qu for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 11:13:29 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VhM1I-00022J-5N for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 11:13:24 -0500 Received: from mail-gg0-f170.google.com ([209.85.161.170]:51277) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VhM1H-00021Y-V3 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 11:13:20 -0500 Received: by mail-gg0-f170.google.com with SMTP id 4so1535463ggm.15 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 08:13:18 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to :subject:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=SCwbfZNYPH2GkzoP3SCI4vzZAGV5+PWKBc2gflmRK/4=; b=hKXAE1RriCecEnza10S/3RQlfLL+lvZHHHtTsYpQvfGzzu89+epfSeReb3FIV+dVUh 40WZO2/+otg/v1ZUaiDcpTRF9QPHDW6RcDTSwZete5KFOvCS3mDo2JkHQmYIDZESBP+8 ETCIZ8TEA4WqwhtKFDDTqv3ukFulEmQKraPG/ucli4uBvc04boI8q6ETLr2G7HDQ63/6 MQZ5lNK6ROPiYWAbEFl8c7g1/HeeYMZ+h1D770PUUk+HWMZClIqZmP/QuZxenQIfbGmD 6ZQPIbAuInkDhdhMrI4SpW9pwbLYPDUPpIiOzbZUeVfra9WxmIlfJOSVGUzIDHU13iOS pePA== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnvV4wOZeMjID7tOw/sEbFKbWcLdufQ9Mcrjlnjl75NHqqeJzhidXaK5Pc5DAKyx1tnWLG5 X-Received: by 10.236.203.2 with SMTP id e2mr6062616yho.60.1384531998757; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 08:13:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.10.2] (user-0c9ha1q.cable.mindspring.com. [24.152.168.58]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id x9sm5597427yhd.13.2013.11.15.08.13.16 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 15 Nov 2013 08:13:17 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <52864819.7060502@thompsonclan.org> Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2013 08:13:13 -0800 From: Ryan User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). 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If you can, give a recipe starting from `emacs -Q': Here is a link to code to reproduce the bug: https://www.dropbox.com/s/lpkdnfb3f9m3ge3/emacs-url-download-bug.el This code downloads the same problematic file 50 times and tests the result each time. The "result" variable is set to a list of the results, and the "anomalies" variable is set to a list of strings representing the contents of anomalous downloads. In my experience, somewhere around 10% to 20% of the time the downloaded file has some kind of anomaly. Anomalies that I have observed so far include: - the file is not completely retrieved; - the file is complete, but has the following text appended: > 0 > > - Peer has closed the GnuTLS connection - the file contains only an HTTP header and nothing else: > HTTP/1.1 200 OK > Server: GitHub.com > Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2013 20:54:41 GMT > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > Transfer-Encoding: chunked > Status: 200 OK > Strict-Transport-Security: max-age=31536000 > X-XSS-Protection: 1; mode=block > X-Content-Type-Options: nosniff > X-UA-Compatible: chrome=1 > Access-Control-Allow-Origin: https://render.github.com In all cases, "url-copy-file" returns t as if the retrieval was completely successful, so the only way to detect these anomalies is to inspect the file's content. If Emacs crashed, and you have the Emacs process in the gdb debugger, please include the output from the following gdb commands: `bt full' and `xbacktrace'. For information about debugging Emacs, please read the file /Applications/Emacs.app/Contents/Resources/etc/DEBUG. In GNU Emacs 24.3.1 (x86_64-apple-darwin, NS apple-appkit-1038.36) of 2013-03-12 on bob.porkrind.org Windowing system distributor `Apple', version 10.3.1265 Configured using: `configure '--host=x86_64-apple-darwin' '--build=i686-apple-darwin' '--with-ns' 'build_alias=i686-apple-darwin' 'host_alias=x86_64-apple-darwin' 'CC=gcc -mmacosx-version-min=10.7 -isystem /Users/david/Xcode-10.7_4.5.2/Xcode.app/Contents/Developer/Platforms/MacOSX.platform/Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.7.sdk/usr/include/ -F/Users/david/Xcode-10.7_4.5.2/Xcode.app/Contents/Developer/Platforms/MacOSX.platform/Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.7.sdk/System/Library/Frameworks'' Important settings: locale-coding-system: nil default enable-multibyte-characters: t Major mode: Emacs-Lisp Minor modes in effect: diff-auto-refine-mode: t recentf-mode: t global-pretty-mode: t pretty-mode: t sml-modeline-mode: t show-paren-mode: t savehist-mode: t minibuffer-electric-default-mode: t minibuffer-depth-indicate-mode: t ido-yes-or-no-mode: t ido-ubiquitous-mode: t icomplete-mode: t global-undo-tree-mode: t undo-tree-mode: t desktop-save-mode: t delete-selection-mode: t osx-pseudo-daemon-mode: t lexbind-mode: t ido-everywhere: t shell-dirtrack-mode: t eldoc-mode: t autopair-global-mode: t autopair-mode: t global-auto-complete-mode: t auto-complete-mode: t override-global-mode: t tooltip-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t tool-bar-mode: t menu-bar-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t blink-cursor-mode: t auto-composition-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t line-number-mode: t transient-mark-mode: t Recent input: C-x k C-h v a n o m a l C-M-f C-M-f C-M-f C-M-f C-x o C-e C-x C-g C-g C-g C-M-k C-k ( c o n a s SPC C-y M-^ C-x C-s a p p n c o n c SPC ( l i s t SPC : u c f - r e t u r n SPC C-d C-d ) C-e ) C-e ) C-x C-s C-x C-x C-e C-g C-g C-x C-e C-x o C-x h C-g C-g C-x C-w ~ / D r o p C-j M-x r e p o r t - Recent messages: (:ucf-return t :has-content t :has-http-header nil :has-tls-closing t :can-load nil) (:ucf-return t :has-content t :has-http-header nil :has-tls-closing nil :can-load t) (:ucf-return t :has-content t :has-http-header nil :has-tls-closing t :can-load nil)) " scroll-down: Beginning of buffer [21 times] Mark set [3 times] Quit [2 times] Saving file /Users/ryan/Dropbox/emacs-url-download-bug.el... 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bind-key-autoloads vlfi-autoloads volatile-highlights-autoloads websocket-autoloads winpoint-autoloads package time-date tooltip ediff-hook vc-hooks lisp-float-type mwheel ns-win tool-bar dnd fontset image regexp-opt fringe tabulated-list newcomment lisp-mode register page menu-bar rfn-eshadow timer select scroll-bar mouse jit-lock font-lock syntax facemenu font-core frame cham georgian utf-8-lang misc-lang vietnamese tibetan thai tai-viet lao korean japanese hebrew greek romanian slovak czech european ethiopic indian cyrillic chinese case-table epa-hook jka-cmpr-hook help simple abbrev minibuffer loaddefs button faces cus-face macroexp files text-properties overlay sha1 md5 base64 format env code-pages mule custom widget hashtable-print-readable backquote make-network-process ns multi-tty emacs) From unknown Mon Aug 11 21:13:37 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#15905: 24.3; url-copy-file sometimes silently downloads garbage or incomplete file Resent-From: Ted Zlatanov Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2013 23:27:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 15905 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Ryan Cc: 15905@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 15905-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B15905.138464440226163 (code B ref 15905); Sat, 16 Nov 2013 23:27:01 +0000 Received: (at 15905) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Nov 2013 23:26:42 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57591 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VhpGC-0006nu-Ux for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 16 Nov 2013 18:26:41 -0500 Received: from mail-qc0-f171.google.com ([209.85.216.171]:44708) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VhpGA-0006nh-Bk for 15905@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 16 Nov 2013 18:26:39 -0500 Received: by mail-qc0-f171.google.com with SMTP id s13so3014908qcv.30 for <15905@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sat, 16 Nov 2013 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[98.229.61.72]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id x10sm22755936qas.5.2013.11.16.15.26.32 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 16 Nov 2013 15:26:32 -0800 (PST) From: Ted Zlatanov Organization: =?UTF-8?Q?=D0=A2=D0=B5=D0=BE=D0=B4=D0=BE=D1=80_?= =?UTF-8?Q?=D0=97=D0=BB=D0=B0=D1=82=D0=B0=D0=BD=D0=BE=D0=B2?= @ Cienfuegos References: <52864819.7060502@thompsonclan.org> X-Face: bd.DQ~'29fIs`T_%O%C\g%6jW)yi[zuz6; d4V0`@y-~$#3P_Ng{@m+e4o<4P'#(_GJQ%TT= D}[Ep*b!\e,fBZ'j_+#"Ps?s2!4H2-Y"sx" Mail-Copies-To: never Gmane-Reply-To-List: yes Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2013 18:27:18 -0500 In-Reply-To: <52864819.7060502@thompsonclan.org> (Ryan's message of "Fri, 15 Nov 2013 08:13:13 -0800") Message-ID: <8738mwgc6h.fsf@flea.lifelogs.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.130008 (Ma Gnus v0.8) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) On Fri, 15 Nov 2013 08:13:13 -0800 Ryan wrote: R> In my experience, somewhere around 10% to 20% of the time the R> downloaded file has some kind of anomaly. Anomalies that I have R> observed so far include: R> - the file is not completely retrieved; R> - the file is complete, but has the following text appended: >> 0 >> >> - Peer has closed the GnuTLS connection R> - the file contains only an HTTP header and nothing else: >> HTTP/1.1 200 OK >> Server: GitHub.com >> Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2013 20:54:41 GMT >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >> Transfer-Encoding: chunked >> Status: 200 OK >> Strict-Transport-Security: max-age=31536000 >> X-XSS-Protection: 1; mode=block >> X-Content-Type-Options: nosniff >> X-UA-Compatible: chrome=1 >> Access-Control-Allow-Origin: https://render.github.com R> In all cases, "url-copy-file" returns t as if the retrieval was R> completely successful, so the only way to detect these anomalies is to R> inspect the file's content. It's hard to tell from the bug report; can you tell us if your Emacs is compiled with the GnuTLS library? (the output of `configure' would help, or tell us where you got the binary). Ted From unknown Mon Aug 11 21:13:37 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#15905: 24.3; url-copy-file sometimes silently downloads garbage or incomplete file Resent-From: Ryan Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2013 04:54:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 15905 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Ted Zlatanov Cc: 15905@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 15905-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B15905.138466403625242 (code B ref 15905); Sun, 17 Nov 2013 04:54:01 +0000 Received: (at 15905) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Nov 2013 04:53:56 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57827 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VhuMt-0006Z3-Hc for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 16 Nov 2013 23:53:55 -0500 Received: from mail-pb0-f54.google.com ([209.85.160.54]:43107) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VhuMq-0006Yi-J8 for 15905@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 16 Nov 2013 23:53:53 -0500 Received: by mail-pb0-f54.google.com with SMTP id ro12so5319681pbb.13 for <15905@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sat, 16 Nov 2013 20:53:46 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to :cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=VZh71oUy2gfAQ00FFgalkEHVy2G282M5YCW/e1fUhSk=; b=mhI0CG4JwNpqfTefmpMmFe3TLRCxM8Jo3PSoUj4Fyb0qrZp0va6vnHvp+XbyROj2PI Mp3dCkLee/SqM3lSLq+B70QTABeEUpSWDei1CCHzhfdiFhATxreHtA0PfF4ByqLzjr4q K8qGMBxPLEn1TZy21i6YJQfxSusz/XLGs82/kz25FH60GyxFJQYJqJHVnM06lmSFhmTe 6PXgGBGHkZHAOAN2u2eejUfEd5cJTbY7RO7uqABRNIRyY1jCKL0i9wvYoqKVtw5ugOmr Q5Ey+6hrD23aEKP7SgnaQHtmgqtsP1vCWtHCkFSbf6B96od6VOFBPYcheXk4vQziz3ZX FjYg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQl60Hr/sYScxUaVU0K5sComGVxs17dZr8BNMzWANIW4TnIxJWEP7wrAPsFu6wvbh62pDje3 X-Received: by 10.68.226.106 with SMTP id rr10mr6882739pbc.111.1384664026019; Sat, 16 Nov 2013 20:53:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.10.2] (user-0c9ha1q.cable.mindspring.com. [24.152.168.58]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id kd1sm16540755pab.20.2013.11.16.20.53.43 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 16 Nov 2013 20:53:44 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <52884BD5.4060905@thompsonclan.org> Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2013 20:53:41 -0800 From: Ryan User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <52864819.7060502@thompsonclan.org> <8738mwgc6h.fsf@flea.lifelogs.com> In-Reply-To: <8738mwgc6h.fsf@flea.lifelogs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) I believe I got my Emacs from http://emacsformacosx.com/. I don't know the configuration details of it. On Sat Nov 16 15:27:18 2013, Ted Zlatanov wrote: > On Fri, 15 Nov 2013 08:13:13 -0800 Ryan wrote: > > R> In my experience, somewhere around 10% to 20% of the time the > R> downloaded file has some kind of anomaly. Anomalies that I have > R> observed so far include: > > R> - the file is not completely retrieved; > > R> - the file is complete, but has the following text appended: > >>> 0 >>> >>> - Peer has closed the GnuTLS connection > > R> - the file contains only an HTTP header and nothing else: > >>> HTTP/1.1 200 OK >>> Server: GitHub.com >>> Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2013 20:54:41 GMT >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >>> Transfer-Encoding: chunked >>> Status: 200 OK >>> Strict-Transport-Security: max-age=31536000 >>> X-XSS-Protection: 1; mode=block >>> X-Content-Type-Options: nosniff >>> X-UA-Compatible: chrome=1 >>> Access-Control-Allow-Origin: https://render.github.com > > R> In all cases, "url-copy-file" returns t as if the retrieval was > R> completely successful, so the only way to detect these anomalies is to > R> inspect the file's content. > > It's hard to tell from the bug report; can you tell us if your Emacs is > compiled with the GnuTLS library? (the output of `configure' would > help, or tell us where you got the binary). > > Ted From unknown Mon Aug 11 21:13:37 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#15905: 24.3; url-copy-file sometimes silently downloads garbage or incomplete file Resent-From: Ted Zlatanov Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2013 19:13:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 15905 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Ryan Cc: 15905@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 15905-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B15905.13848019599297 (code B ref 15905); Mon, 18 Nov 2013 19:13:02 +0000 Received: (at 15905) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Nov 2013 19:12:39 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60393 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ViUFT-0002Ps-10 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 18 Nov 2013 14:12:39 -0500 Received: from mail-qc0-f169.google.com ([209.85.216.169]:64829) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ViUFQ-0002PZ-P7 for 15905@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 18 Nov 2013 14:12:37 -0500 Received: by mail-qc0-f169.google.com with SMTP id u18so4184511qcx.0 for <15905@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 18 Nov 2013 11:12:31 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=lifelogs.com; s=google; h=from:to:cc:subject:organization:references:mail-copies-to :gmane-reply-to-list:date:in-reply-to:message-id:user-agent :mime-version:content-type; bh=b9VSG6WaZdgNmQBFZrjbMsir4YQ8d08rtBdlB8qrSrI=; b=DKBSw3uzC4dRjhdngChPXQrGpqMRh+xBXewfVLjgksSbOXdb0VzZLDmiKogJJPs+ll d/ZehmlfQVFhlsYEo3wX2IFlIeC6tiHJ7BmyZM9ffYdVi1DuQAwjkxh+/VtxW0X8gpRZ 7dSjRGSVD78bAT9Xoi4Gxtvry155T0yzwV2gQ= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:organization:references :mail-copies-to:gmane-reply-to-list:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=b9VSG6WaZdgNmQBFZrjbMsir4YQ8d08rtBdlB8qrSrI=; b=YnTdyxJkTbMoawPFOuSE192/aFwC5r3LU6lUU8TQbMRxt/nn1qetOrnc6fzx/bWVPT Y2/4rGJxwijn/dANQt03zd3RlFtVwJ/e78FMEJBnEq8eFVbQuHPybddwxznEY71LEHP8 9F7ndOCSIXsFflLhZ7+CDLyTJNMEfl51377vKozrLXM3HJ0wn9dJ/US/qK5fZERoZ9P4 gYbHsnxleidUIl4AW6VF5T8Yucfnjao4+WTGijO7tSYmdan6u8PqnVBsM+HfuerhtIiz K/PMIiRc4clRlAmEYQxTG/JBpBwxYZfDQiaC+z4ya3ofjLeI4PqLy6JAluB1aELXMxYa N0UA== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQneqXf7KI/R+fof9t7jhmeI5Pw65QM9TtK5fbtu/7BfZvYRLG2UJi/iWriwm5gcZKtpIe2/ X-Received: by 10.224.165.133 with SMTP id i5mr5576452qay.11.1384801951235; Mon, 18 Nov 2013 11:12:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from flea.lifelogs.com (c-98-229-61-72.hsd1.ma.comcast.net. [98.229.61.72]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id r5sm38338987qeh.1.2013.11.18.11.12.30 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 18 Nov 2013 11:12:30 -0800 (PST) From: Ted Zlatanov Organization: =?UTF-8?Q?=D0=A2=D0=B5=D0=BE=D0=B4=D0=BE=D1=80_?= =?UTF-8?Q?=D0=97=D0=BB=D0=B0=D1=82=D0=B0=D0=BD=D0=BE=D0=B2?= @ Cienfuegos References: <52864819.7060502@thompsonclan.org> <8738mwgc6h.fsf@flea.lifelogs.com> <52884BD5.4060905@thompsonclan.org> X-Face: bd.DQ~'29fIs`T_%O%C\g%6jW)yi[zuz6; d4V0`@y-~$#3P_Ng{@m+e4o<4P'#(_GJQ%TT= D}[Ep*b!\e,fBZ'j_+#"Ps?s2!4H2-Y"sx" Mail-Copies-To: never Gmane-Reply-To-List: yes Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2013 14:13:18 -0500 In-Reply-To: <52884BD5.4060905@thompsonclan.org> (Ryan's message of "Sat, 16 Nov 2013 20:53:41 -0800") Message-ID: <87bo1hfrqp.fsf@flea.lifelogs.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.130008 (Ma Gnus v0.8) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) On Sat, 16 Nov 2013 20:53:41 -0800 Ryan wrote: R> On Sat Nov 16 15:27:18 2013, Ted Zlatanov wrote: >> On Fri, 15 Nov 2013 08:13:13 -0800 Ryan wrote: >> R> In my experience, somewhere around 10% to 20% of the time the R> downloaded file has some kind of anomaly. Anomalies that I have R> observed so far include: >> R> - the file is not completely retrieved; >> R> - the file is complete, but has the following text appended: >> >>>> 0 >>>> >>>> - Peer has closed the GnuTLS connection >> R> - the file contains only an HTTP header and nothing else: >> >>>> HTTP/1.1 200 OK >>>> Server: GitHub.com >>>> Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2013 20:54:41 GMT >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >>>> Transfer-Encoding: chunked >>>> Status: 200 OK >>>> Strict-Transport-Security: max-age=31536000 >>>> X-XSS-Protection: 1; mode=block >>>> X-Content-Type-Options: nosniff >>>> X-UA-Compatible: chrome=1 >>>> Access-Control-Allow-Origin: https://render.github.com >> R> In all cases, "url-copy-file" returns t as if the retrieval was R> completely successful, so the only way to detect these anomalies is to R> inspect the file's content. >> >> It's hard to tell from the bug report; can you tell us if your Emacs is >> compiled with the GnuTLS library? (the output of `configure' would >> help, or tell us where you got the binary). R> I believe I got my Emacs from http://emacsformacosx.com/. I don't know R> the configuration details of it. That build doesn't have GnuTLS support, so you're running an external binary (`gnutls-cli' or something similar). I haven't seen the problems you report on Mac OS X (tried with the emacsformacosx build), so it may be something specific to your system. Can you see if any other users of the emacsformacosx build can confirm the bug? Ted From unknown Mon Aug 11 21:13:37 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#15905: 24.3; url-copy-file sometimes silently downloads garbage or incomplete file Resent-From: "Ryan C. 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Thompson" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <52864819.7060502@thompsonclan.org> <8738mwgc6h.fsf@flea.lifelogs.com> <52884BD5.4060905@thompsonclan.org> <87bo1hfrqp.fsf@flea.lifelogs.com> In-Reply-To: <87bo1hfrqp.fsf@flea.lifelogs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) On Mon 18 Nov 2013 11:13:18 AM PST, Ted Zlatanov wrote: > On Sat, 16 Nov 2013 20:53:41 -0800 Ryan wrote: > > R> On Sat Nov 16 15:27:18 2013, Ted Zlatanov wrote: >>> On Fri, 15 Nov 2013 08:13:13 -0800 Ryan wrote: >>> > R> In my experience, somewhere around 10% to 20% of the time the > R> downloaded file has some kind of anomaly. Anomalies that I have > R> observed so far include: >>> > R> - the file is not completely retrieved; >>> > R> - the file is complete, but has the following text appended: >>> >>>>> 0 >>>>> >>>>> - Peer has closed the GnuTLS connection >>> > R> - the file contains only an HTTP header and nothing else: >>> >>>>> HTTP/1.1 200 OK >>>>> Server: GitHub.com >>>>> Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2013 20:54:41 GMT >>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >>>>> Transfer-Encoding: chunked >>>>> Status: 200 OK >>>>> Strict-Transport-Security: max-age=31536000 >>>>> X-XSS-Protection: 1; mode=block >>>>> X-Content-Type-Options: nosniff >>>>> X-UA-Compatible: chrome=1 >>>>> Access-Control-Allow-Origin: https://render.github.com >>> > R> In all cases, "url-copy-file" returns t as if the retrieval was > R> completely successful, so the only way to detect these anomalies is to > R> inspect the file's content. >>> >>> It's hard to tell from the bug report; can you tell us if your Emacs is >>> compiled with the GnuTLS library? (the output of `configure' would >>> help, or tell us where you got the binary). > > R> I believe I got my Emacs from http://emacsformacosx.com/. I don't know > R> the configuration details of it. > > That build doesn't have GnuTLS support, so you're running an external > binary (`gnutls-cli' or something similar). I haven't seen the problems > you report on Mac OS X (tried with the emacsformacosx build), so it may > be something specific to your system. Can you see if any other users of > the emacsformacosx build can confirm the bug? > > Ted So, I just ran my own test case on my work machine (Ubuntu 13.04, Emacs 24.2.1 lucid build from Ubuntu repos), and I did not see the issue. I'm going to try compiling Emacs with gnutls support on my OSX machine to see if that makes any difference. From unknown Mon Aug 11 21:13:37 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#15905: 24.3; url-copy-file sometimes silently downloads garbage or incomplete file Resent-From: Ryan Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2013 20:32:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 15905 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Ted Zlatanov Cc: 15905@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 15905-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B15905.138480666317233 (code B ref 15905); Mon, 18 Nov 2013 20:32:01 +0000 Received: (at 15905) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Nov 2013 20:31:03 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60426 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ViVTL-0004Ts-2I for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 18 Nov 2013 15:31:03 -0500 Received: from mail-pd0-f180.google.com ([209.85.192.180]:45612) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ViVTI-0004TJ-Fu for 15905@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 18 Nov 2013 15:31:01 -0500 Received: by mail-pd0-f180.google.com with SMTP id q10so1878311pdj.11 for <15905@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 18 Nov 2013 12:30:54 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to :cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=efJCxluQK29PmPVcv/IRqP3mK39lqKXJHvxN5xYRHXw=; b=YmQ9kQuISAqRsd1BhI1SvEJjKwa8RNnO6/Bhs6EPMgKBXzxs2ynnI94SHbC0rZ5j4m 1DRFF4n4R/UqFA6Q1m3FwvYmmw+jz474C/BnCwe79FKH5sh7Y2djS2HKMYA1yvwj0AxR 9El3PGIn28jtLqfgdqeyisGN+Gs08EofC6u1S3wvODxb93+i4FqpqT9aZ7xsEojsZ4Jw cU8AFgcFRKwHUWQEhgjl+6ne7sWIAcA9MsXKA53iitVC4ulmHPxZAVqNu4FLdkmR4BBm 1yQazYbRgXXDpMMZQXlk3Ft+F7dh5KjvBQGBVg1pqoDphKyVcxRchLNXvB5kp+gWgfYN zc6Q== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnqSMvDsW9bV1/VAg1xA8xpAHIoFmOTChGWgoopirQLKRx9xgZhqwl5BI2ysE8P8ZclZpjE X-Received: by 10.66.27.16 with SMTP id p16mr22581151pag.65.1384806654646; Mon, 18 Nov 2013 12:30:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from wireless-120-123.scripps.edu (wireless-120-123.scripps.edu. [137.131.120.123]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id i10sm28853241pat.11.2013.11.18.12.30.51 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 18 Nov 2013 12:30:52 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <528A78F9.1070903@thompsonclan.org> Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2013 12:30:49 -0800 From: Ryan User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <52864819.7060502@thompsonclan.org> <8738mwgc6h.fsf@flea.lifelogs.com> <52884BD5.4060905@thompsonclan.org> <87bo1hfrqp.fsf@flea.lifelogs.com> <528A6FF0.1070302@thompsonclan.org> In-Reply-To: <528A6FF0.1070302@thompsonclan.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) On Mon Nov 18 11:52:16 2013, Ryan C. Thompson wrote: > On Mon 18 Nov 2013 11:13:18 AM PST, Ted Zlatanov wrote: >> On Sat, 16 Nov 2013 20:53:41 -0800 Ryan wrote: >> >> R> On Sat Nov 16 15:27:18 2013, Ted Zlatanov wrote: >>>> On Fri, 15 Nov 2013 08:13:13 -0800 Ryan wrote: >>>> >> R> In my experience, somewhere around 10% to 20% of the time the >> R> downloaded file has some kind of anomaly. Anomalies that I have >> R> observed so far include: >>>> >> R> - the file is not completely retrieved; >>>> >> R> - the file is complete, but has the following text appended: >>>> >>>>>> 0 >>>>>> >>>>>> - Peer has closed the GnuTLS connection >>>> >> R> - the file contains only an HTTP header and nothing else: >>>> >>>>>> HTTP/1.1 200 OK >>>>>> Server: GitHub.com >>>>>> Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2013 20:54:41 GMT >>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >>>>>> Transfer-Encoding: chunked >>>>>> Status: 200 OK >>>>>> Strict-Transport-Security: max-age=31536000 >>>>>> X-XSS-Protection: 1; mode=block >>>>>> X-Content-Type-Options: nosniff >>>>>> X-UA-Compatible: chrome=1 >>>>>> Access-Control-Allow-Origin: https://render.github.com >>>> >> R> In all cases, "url-copy-file" returns t as if the retrieval was >> R> completely successful, so the only way to detect these anomalies >> is to >> R> inspect the file's content. >>>> >>>> It's hard to tell from the bug report; can you tell us if your >>>> Emacs is >>>> compiled with the GnuTLS library? (the output of `configure' would >>>> help, or tell us where you got the binary). >> >> R> I believe I got my Emacs from http://emacsformacosx.com/. I don't >> know >> R> the configuration details of it. >> >> That build doesn't have GnuTLS support, so you're running an external >> binary (`gnutls-cli' or something similar). I haven't seen the problems >> you report on Mac OS X (tried with the emacsformacosx build), so it may >> be something specific to your system. Can you see if any other users of >> the emacsformacosx build can confirm the bug? >> >> Ted > > So, I just ran my own test case on my work machine (Ubuntu 13.04, > Emacs 24.2.1 lucid build from Ubuntu repos), and I did not see the > issue. I'm going to try compiling Emacs with gnutls support on my OSX > machine to see if that makes any difference. I ran my test case with Emacs built from Macports, which compiles Emacs with GnuTLS support. On this Emacs, the test did not trigger the bug. I think we can say that the bug manifests when using an external gnutls-cli or similar. From unknown Mon Aug 11 21:13:37 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#15905: 24.3; url-copy-file sometimes silently downloads garbage or incomplete file Resent-From: Ted Zlatanov Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 16:21:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 15905 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Ryan Cc: 15905@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 15905-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B15905.138505083428220 (code B ref 15905); Thu, 21 Nov 2013 16:21:02 +0000 Received: (at 15905) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Nov 2013 16:20:34 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36950 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VjWzZ-0007L5-3o for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 21 Nov 2013 11:20:33 -0500 Received: from mail-qa0-f51.google.com ([209.85.216.51]:65292) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VjWzX-0007KZ-4C for 15905@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 21 Nov 2013 11:20:31 -0500 Received: by mail-qa0-f51.google.com with SMTP id o15so3985497qap.17 for <15905@debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 21 Nov 2013 08:20:25 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=lifelogs.com; s=google; h=from:to:cc:subject:organization:references:mail-copies-to :gmane-reply-to-list:date:in-reply-to:message-id:user-agent :mime-version:content-type; bh=fes5LqO+BVxHNwcyxx/MF7Cz2h6cKKjCkicIpiuVjNE=; b=nFv4i01IbO2FqtASdC4H1wW1J55T0MKwhUyS8RMamM/EtRnTTXOMWtE3JrZgj+tKX7 PUxPpE9NI/omSg84FhJ53ogG6CpRT1rFoHDRt3PH3Ebiy+EeYnCLhzoZ2JDpSpOE02WD 08OMfNId4PoEbVAjNV9qcDLsEyq4wLwZYCcko= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:organization:references :mail-copies-to:gmane-reply-to-list:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=fes5LqO+BVxHNwcyxx/MF7Cz2h6cKKjCkicIpiuVjNE=; b=B6sbi/nJKKuzElJop2jx7T+x8W1TFt2y6ZTq65AXSRyZsJRpxaLCoTEIM1jU1h/Adt fsLoYfgedZ5e9wDvdoXULEzcqScHw0VRkcu4v4s5Sa9hITzcIyfDu0GfrTEYvH19IvaX gR4JmwAns6mg581UgxK3nE3EHDKUKySXUP+bVhLLcqClh1cb7RXMe2A0UPC6YdW0MA5g b4sEZe7rsl735ISLEYDjYDYqad56M7Q3JjT6mh8YQOxMewEA7qaCWVUpL+hbJEqAgVij sreiqIYsR0DFBrqV/IEWJBqZ5qWswnXj3cIK+aAlJAqWqHhXpvLiVD7YsWXPiUBn/BHd pRXQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmuINQc3a9aSHiTq5BRwjYHDh3voPW5E0m6sNU0dgH9BKZae97tfD8AO7EWyfMN4WDUZYlr X-Received: by 10.49.94.71 with SMTP id da7mr12581780qeb.22.1385050825633; Thu, 21 Nov 2013 08:20:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from flea.lifelogs.com (c-98-229-61-72.hsd1.ma.comcast.net. [98.229.61.72]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id h2sm36257029qaf.10.2013.11.21.08.20.24 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 21 Nov 2013 08:20:24 -0800 (PST) From: Ted Zlatanov Organization: =?UTF-8?Q?=D0=A2=D0=B5=D0=BE=D0=B4=D0=BE=D1=80_?= =?UTF-8?Q?=D0=97=D0=BB=D0=B0=D1=82=D0=B0=D0=BD=D0=BE=D0=B2?= @ Cienfuegos References: <52864819.7060502@thompsonclan.org> <8738mwgc6h.fsf@flea.lifelogs.com> <52884BD5.4060905@thompsonclan.org> <87bo1hfrqp.fsf@flea.lifelogs.com> <528A6FF0.1070302@thompsonclan.org> <528A78F9.1070903@thompsonclan.org> X-Face: bd.DQ~'29fIs`T_%O%C\g%6jW)yi[zuz6; d4V0`@y-~$#3P_Ng{@m+e4o<4P'#(_GJQ%TT= D}[Ep*b!\e,fBZ'j_+#"Ps?s2!4H2-Y"sx" Mail-Copies-To: never Gmane-Reply-To-List: yes Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 11:21:15 -0500 In-Reply-To: <528A78F9.1070903@thompsonclan.org> (Ryan's message of "Mon, 18 Nov 2013 12:30:49 -0800") Message-ID: <87hab5bu9w.fsf@flea.lifelogs.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.130008 (Ma Gnus v0.8) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) On Mon, 18 Nov 2013 12:30:49 -0800 Ryan wrote: >> So, I just ran my own test case on my work machine (Ubuntu 13.04, >> Emacs 24.2.1 lucid build from Ubuntu repos), and I did not see the >> issue. I'm going to try compiling Emacs with gnutls support on my OSX >> machine to see if that makes any difference. R> I ran my test case with Emacs built from Macports, which compiles R> Emacs with GnuTLS support. On this Emacs, the test did not trigger the R> bug. I think we can say that the bug manifests when using an external R> gnutls-cli or similar. Hi Ryan, I can't help you much in that area, I don't know the url.el code well and this may be something about Mac OS X specifically. I'm glad we determined it's connected to the shell command, though, it will make the bug fixing easier! Ted From unknown Mon Aug 11 21:13:37 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#15905: 24.3; url-copy-file sometimes silently downloads garbage or incomplete file References: <52864819.7060502@thompsonclan.org> In-Reply-To: <52864819.7060502@thompsonclan.org> Resent-From: Noam Postavsky Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2014 23:58:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 15905 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 15905@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 15905-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B15905.139561904431092 (code B ref 15905); Sun, 23 Mar 2014 23:58:01 +0000 Received: (at 15905) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Mar 2014 23:57:24 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46422 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WRsGa-00085Q-77 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 23 Mar 2014 19:57:24 -0400 Received: from mail-qc0-f172.google.com ([209.85.216.172]:60316) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WRsGY-00085A-3T for 15905@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 23 Mar 2014 19:57:22 -0400 Received: by mail-qc0-f172.google.com with SMTP id i8so5144882qcq.17 for <15905@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 23 Mar 2014 16:57:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=6Mjxu+JtmkfQizWtLEWMRpXiqmi75hchinsDMPf5UHI=; b=blJAVmtg74Bjf2IS+FvzvHc2uQNca9nqqdWEGYmkt+YEhDBTFoDRZUY0Z7xrgIb7VC QLV+UCmVUIG8O3I+0MS+NTEW3tLQNV/PVET3yQbaZA58xtvCZL1parE6OdnVXbTyYuNL nwAoQMcXw1yMRdDXkxgULKYCGYd/QOV8LWE2mBRjq9mnGAI1b6/4Pz7zACoWWHHwJfqT Mv5YxE/NrzHB+sKxcygkiaC0GQds09VKMooQAKNdxrFXMbM+Zg3wcq3p8/CF1YAa8q4X 08H5IqdQ/vB7RQyevvAF0cRakIKc6/hmRj9B1yWnkW2UAkMhXVfEQX6ZSyWWms6tHcNp vniA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.229.216.72 with SMTP id hh8mr30442669qcb.9.1395619036542; Sun, 23 Mar 2014 16:57:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.108.130 with HTTP; Sun, 23 Mar 2014 16:57:16 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2014 19:57:16 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: yUjPIuDCLWf-2mqTxx00mmsEBbI Message-ID: From: Noam Postavsky Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=001a1134a5f8ea57ab04f54ee05d X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) --001a1134a5f8ea57ab04f54ee05d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > this may be something about Mac OS X specifically. 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url-copy-file sometimes silently downloads garbage or incomplete file Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2015 20:41:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 15905 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Noam Postavsky Cc: 15905@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 15905-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B15905.145107605017210 (code B ref 15905); Fri, 25 Dec 2015 20:41:02 +0000 Received: (at 15905) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Dec 2015 20:40:50 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35470 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aCZAQ-0004TW-3Y for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2015 15:40:50 -0500 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:36418) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aCZAO-0004TO-Hl for 15905@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2015 15:40:48 -0500 Received: from 2.150.58.24.tmi.telenormobil.no ([2.150.58.24] helo=mouse) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1aCZA0-00048C-Es; Fri, 25 Dec 2015 21:40:24 +0100 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen References: <52864819.7060502@thompsonclan.org> Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2015 21:40:23 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Noam Postavsky's message of "Sun, 23 Mar 2014 19:57:16 -0400") Message-ID: <87bn9e2rew.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.130014 (Ma Gnus v0.14) Emacs/25.1.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-MailScanner-ID: 1aCZA0-00048C-Es X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1451680826.61128@2QBHLp7qP/9PwlQZaKtYGQ X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) Noam Postavsky writes: >> this may be something about Mac OS X specifically. > > It's only gnutls-cli specific: I built Emacs 24.3 on Debian > --without-gnutls and got similar results; it also seemed like Emacs > was getting stuck in some CPU burning loop, I eventually C-g'd out of > it. > > gnutls-cli version 3.2.12 I'm not sure this is worth fixing -- perhaps the best would be to remove the support for external TLS programs. Especially since they don't hook into the Network Security Manager. A couple of the "blocking" bug reports are about that... -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From unknown Mon Aug 11 21:13:37 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#15905: 24.3; url-copy-file sometimes silently downloads garbage or incomplete file Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2015 20:46:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 15905 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Cc: 15905@debbugs.gnu.org, npostavs@users.sourceforge.net Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Received: via spool by 15905-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B15905.145107632217702 (code B ref 15905); Fri, 25 Dec 2015 20:46:01 +0000 Received: (at 15905) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Dec 2015 20:45:22 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35482 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aCZEo-0004bS-9n for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2015 15:45:22 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:54714) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aCZEn-0004bG-1B for 15905@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2015 15:45:21 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aCZEd-00082K-2t for 15905@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2015 15:45:15 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_40,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:59764) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aCZEc-00082B-Vz; Fri, 25 Dec 2015 15:45:11 -0500 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:4088 helo=HOME-C4E4A596F7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1aCZEc-0007SB-7c; Fri, 25 Dec 2015 15:45:10 -0500 Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2015 22:45:54 +0200 Message-Id: <83r3iajlz1.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: <87bn9e2rew.fsf@gnus.org> (message from Lars Ingebrigtsen on Fri, 25 Dec 2015 21:40:23 +0100) References: <52864819.7060502@thompsonclan.org> <87bn9e2rew.fsf@gnus.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) > From: Lars Ingebrigtsen > Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2015 21:40:23 +0100 > Cc: 15905@debbugs.gnu.org > > >> this may be something about Mac OS X specifically. > > > > It's only gnutls-cli specific: I built Emacs 24.3 on Debian > > --without-gnutls and got similar results; it also seemed like Emacs > > was getting stuck in some CPU burning loop, I eventually C-g'd out of > > it. > > > > gnutls-cli version 3.2.12 > > I'm not sure this is worth fixing -- perhaps the best would be to remove > the support for external TLS programs. If OS X has GnuTLS, then yes, I agree. From unknown Mon Aug 11 21:13:37 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#15905: 24.3; url-copy-file sometimes silently downloads garbage or incomplete file Resent-From: John Wiegley Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2015 20:48:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 15905 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: 15905@debbugs.gnu.org, Lars Ingebrigtsen , npostavs@users.sourceforge.net Received: via spool by 15905-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B15905.145107646318049 (code B ref 15905); Fri, 25 Dec 2015 20:48:01 +0000 Received: (at 15905) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Dec 2015 20:47:43 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35502 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aCZH5-0004h3-C2 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2015 15:47:43 -0500 Received: from mail-pf0-f173.google.com ([209.85.192.173]:34948) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aCZH3-0004gn-M2 for 15905@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2015 15:47:41 -0500 Received: by mail-pf0-f173.google.com with SMTP id 78so82019595pfw.2 for <15905@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 25 Dec 2015 12:47:41 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:date:message-id:references :user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=9mnEzteWo9qZ9X9tzTxovQNYfjD3k480+suw6nTiX2c=; b=TKGRW4CnBwetSVvgW/w+gLdUn37/CphuNSP5H+K/yGa0zFY09yB1Y8UWPxPDzpzYI4 1UFJY0dhopaUIbsRiaUkvYR0UoAzkkmzAH5ISOtf4YDCQiBxdS+WjiDDvXOYELPdzq0k poBR1qom18gUaGtvd1cwNAC5ntnfzuy3am4SzgEU1DtSL6W2YySB/ljUDPjn2m889Rat sgxoQn7GsDZSn6z6EOSE0xDjSka22gu5f+tQ0JguM9v9hvqKuvWjhv5CO1Q9IZpK2Ctn 1cXNo5LZz5w9ajKZD8hyPcyjtrP2wWyEKf0NlL0JgZFHDZNq+Xpt5NP1LTgEOjy5GLJP I62w== X-Received: by 10.98.0.147 with SMTP id 141mr3442722pfa.6.1451076456036; Fri, 25 Dec 2015 12:47:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from Vulcan.local (76-234-68-79.lightspeed.frokca.sbcglobal.net. [76.234.68.79]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 2sm61287538pfl.56.2015.12.25.12.47.35 (version=TLS1 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 25 Dec 2015 12:47:35 -0800 (PST) From: John Wiegley X-Google-Original-From: "John Wiegley" Received: by Vulcan.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id 95CC811B4F2BB; Fri, 25 Dec 2015 12:47:34 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <83r3iajlz1.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Fri, 25 Dec 2015 22:45:54 +0200") Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2015 12:47:32 -0800 Message-ID: References: <52864819.7060502@thompsonclan.org> <87bn9e2rew.fsf@gnus.org> <83r3iajlz1.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.130014 (Ma Gnus v0.14) Emacs/24.5 (darwin) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) >>>>> Eli Zaretskii writes: >> I'm not sure this is worth fixing -- perhaps the best would be to remove >> the support for external TLS programs. > If OS X has GnuTLS, then yes, I agree. How do I check this? -- John Wiegley GPG fingerprint = 4710 CF98 AF9B 327B B80F http://newartisans.com 60E1 46C4 BD1A 7AC1 4BA2 From unknown Mon Aug 11 21:13:37 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#15905: 24.3; url-copy-file sometimes silently downloads garbage or incomplete file Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2015 20:50:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 15905 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: John Wiegley Cc: 15905@debbugs.gnu.org, larsi@gnus.org, npostavs@users.sourceforge.net Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Received: via spool by 15905-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B15905.145107657918248 (code B ref 15905); Fri, 25 Dec 2015 20:50:02 +0000 Received: (at 15905) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Dec 2015 20:49:39 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35509 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aCZIv-0004kF-VO for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2015 15:49:39 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:56059) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aCZIr-0004jx-Cy for 15905@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2015 15:49:36 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aCZIh-0000tF-Gu for 15905@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2015 15:49:28 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:59823) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aCZIW-0000qt-Br; Fri, 25 Dec 2015 15:49:12 -0500 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:4095 helo=HOME-C4E4A596F7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1aCZIV-0007tF-Gq; Fri, 25 Dec 2015 15:49:11 -0500 Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2015 22:49:55 +0200 Message-Id: <83oadejlsc.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: (message from John Wiegley on Fri, 25 Dec 2015 12:47:32 -0800) References: <52864819.7060502@thompsonclan.org> <87bn9e2rew.fsf@gnus.org> <83r3iajlz1.fsf@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) > From: John Wiegley > Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , 15905@debbugs.gnu.org, npostavs@users.sourceforge.net > Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2015 12:47:32 -0800 > > >>>>> Eli Zaretskii writes: > > >> I'm not sure this is worth fixing -- perhaps the best would be to remove > >> the support for external TLS programs. > > > If OS X has GnuTLS, then yes, I agree. > > How do I check this? I don't know. How do you check whether any piece of software is available for OS X? From unknown Mon Aug 11 21:13:37 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#15905: 24.3; url-copy-file sometimes silently downloads garbage or incomplete file Resent-From: John Wiegley Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2015 20:56:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 15905 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: 15905@debbugs.gnu.org, larsi@gnus.org, npostavs@users.sourceforge.net Received: via spool by 15905-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B15905.145107692618755 (code B ref 15905); Fri, 25 Dec 2015 20:56:01 +0000 Received: (at 15905) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Dec 2015 20:55:26 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35514 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aCZOY-0004sR-00 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2015 15:55:26 -0500 Received: from mail-pf0-f172.google.com ([209.85.192.172]:36474) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aCZOW-0004sE-J6 for 15905@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2015 15:55:24 -0500 Received: by mail-pf0-f172.google.com with SMTP id 65so39174483pff.3 for <15905@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 25 Dec 2015 12:55:24 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:date:message-id:references :user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=1zbN62T5X5fYuHiTXrHyiOpTvjnVr+M3yoxmCgA/eFY=; b=HDvto5MggqZV8adg4eCJIDiqvMgcZgD8cB+XGf37xZ6vb3v/TSuHVzo3B1NDVCXaLN LH4zIfl0Gf1H+LVaV/RnNx5R/qtS5UAzAUKu6OF7tAXsv1V33EYq1cKQIb3WV3KZAWfG 6Rma7qqWl6idvkSTcdlu1PunyCu7ZknAz+uM5BDxNtm1f1i1ETDVMa2lYVZJtfKkLEah HYrlMwz5XrX8x3MMtsrTa9fHsvjCbd3UpHhWoExfVNAW4c8fhnb/tDeyTkC2/voneC78 Zh7n1NCy6UwFSYeYj/HQG3YGUWzPMfEtI59X2h5tkjBhqYs8BDIMF3l84COPEAjW23bH Omrw== X-Received: by 10.98.42.149 with SMTP id q143mr60942369pfq.75.1451076918811; Fri, 25 Dec 2015 12:55:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from Vulcan.local (76-234-68-79.lightspeed.frokca.sbcglobal.net. [76.234.68.79]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id by2sm11986632pab.6.2015.12.25.12.55.18 (version=TLS1 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 25 Dec 2015 12:55:18 -0800 (PST) From: John Wiegley X-Google-Original-From: "John Wiegley" Received: by Vulcan.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id 84C7211B4F400; Fri, 25 Dec 2015 12:55:17 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <83oadejlsc.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Fri, 25 Dec 2015 22:49:55 +0200") Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2015 12:55:15 -0800 Message-ID: References: <52864819.7060502@thompsonclan.org> <87bn9e2rew.fsf@gnus.org> <83r3iajlz1.fsf@gnu.org> <83oadejlsc.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.130014 (Ma Gnus v0.14) Emacs/24.5 (darwin) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) >>>>> Eli Zaretskii writes: > I don't know. How do you check whether any piece of software is available > for OS X? `starttls-use-gnutls' is set to `t'. I have gnutls-cli installed. Is that enough to say yes? -- John Wiegley GPG fingerprint = 4710 CF98 AF9B 327B B80F http://newartisans.com 60E1 46C4 BD1A 7AC1 4BA2 From unknown Mon Aug 11 21:13:37 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#15905: 24.3; url-copy-file sometimes silently downloads garbage or incomplete file Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2015 20:59:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 15905 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: John Wiegley Cc: 15905@debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii , npostavs@users.sourceforge.net Received: via spool by 15905-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B15905.145107708219012 (code B ref 15905); Fri, 25 Dec 2015 20:59:01 +0000 Received: (at 15905) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Dec 2015 20:58:02 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35518 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aCZR4-0004wa-E9 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2015 15:58:02 -0500 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:41095) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aCZR0-0004w8-UX for 15905@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2015 15:58:00 -0500 Received: from 2.150.58.24.tmi.telenormobil.no ([2.150.58.24] helo=mouse) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1aCZQf-0004LC-Ab; Fri, 25 Dec 2015 21:57:37 +0100 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen References: <52864819.7060502@thompsonclan.org> <87bn9e2rew.fsf@gnus.org> <83r3iajlz1.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2015 21:57:36 +0100 In-Reply-To: (John Wiegley's message of "Fri, 25 Dec 2015 12:47:32 -0800") Message-ID: <87mvsy1c1r.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.130014 (Ma Gnus v0.14) Emacs/25.1.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-MailScanner-ID: 1aCZQf-0004LC-Ab X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1451681857.79599@9JI2LhsXNXdmGyDydLl79g X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) John Wiegley writes: >>>>>> Eli Zaretskii writes: > >>> I'm not sure this is worth fixing -- perhaps the best would be to remove >>> the support for external TLS programs. > >> If OS X has GnuTLS, then yes, I agree. > > How do I check this? I think somebody in this bug report say that it was? Let's see... Yup. > I ran my test case with Emacs built from Macports, which compiles > Emacs with GnuTLS support. On this Emacs, the test did not trigger the > bug. I think we can say that the bug manifests when using an external > gnutls-cli or similar. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From unknown Mon Aug 11 21:13:37 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#15905: 24.3; url-copy-file sometimes silently downloads garbage or incomplete file Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2015 21:00:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 15905 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: John Wiegley Cc: 15905@debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii , npostavs@users.sourceforge.net Received: via spool by 15905-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B15905.145107716419146 (code B ref 15905); Fri, 25 Dec 2015 21:00:02 +0000 Received: (at 15905) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Dec 2015 20:59:24 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35522 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aCZSN-0004yk-Nu for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2015 15:59:23 -0500 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:41108) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aCZSM-0004yb-L3 for 15905@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2015 15:59:23 -0500 Received: from 2.150.58.24.tmi.telenormobil.no ([2.150.58.24] helo=mouse) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1aCZS0-0004Mg-Vi; Fri, 25 Dec 2015 21:59:01 +0100 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen References: <52864819.7060502@thompsonclan.org> <87bn9e2rew.fsf@gnus.org> <83r3iajlz1.fsf@gnu.org> <83oadejlsc.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2015 21:59:00 +0100 In-Reply-To: (John Wiegley's message of "Fri, 25 Dec 2015 12:55:15 -0800") Message-ID: <87io3m1bzf.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.130014 (Ma Gnus v0.14) Emacs/25.1.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-MailScanner-ID: 1aCZS0-0004Mg-Vi X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1451681941.47104@cTABDaUe2QM77zaiAJ6oUQ X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) John Wiegley writes: >>>>>> Eli Zaretskii writes: > >> I don't know. How do you check whether any piece of software is available >> for OS X? > > `starttls-use-gnutls' is set to `t'. I have gnutls-cli installed. Is that > enough to say yes? Check what gnutls-available-p says. If your Emacs has GnuTLS support built in, it should say t. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From unknown Mon Aug 11 21:13:37 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#15905: 24.3; url-copy-file sometimes silently downloads garbage or incomplete file Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2015 21:13:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 15905 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: John Wiegley Cc: 15905@debbugs.gnu.org, larsi@gnus.org, npostavs@users.sourceforge.net Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Received: via spool by 15905-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B15905.145107797726830 (code B ref 15905); Fri, 25 Dec 2015 21:13:02 +0000 Received: (at 15905) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Dec 2015 21:12:57 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35550 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aCZfT-0006yf-7k for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2015 16:12:57 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:59826) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aCZfO-0006yP-Tc for 15905@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2015 16:12:54 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aCZfG-0006d8-Jp for 15905@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2015 16:12:45 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:60155) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aCZf5-0006cj-R0; Fri, 25 Dec 2015 16:12:31 -0500 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:4115 helo=HOME-C4E4A596F7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1aCZf5-0006Bo-36; Fri, 25 Dec 2015 16:12:31 -0500 Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2015 23:13:14 +0200 Message-Id: <83lh8ijkph.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: (message from John Wiegley on Fri, 25 Dec 2015 12:55:15 -0800) References: <52864819.7060502@thompsonclan.org> <87bn9e2rew.fsf@gnus.org> <83r3iajlz1.fsf@gnu.org> <83oadejlsc.fsf@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) > From: John Wiegley > Cc: larsi@gnus.org, 15905@debbugs.gnu.org, npostavs@users.sourceforge.net > Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2015 12:55:15 -0800 > > >>>>> Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > I don't know. How do you check whether any piece of software is available > > for OS X? > > `starttls-use-gnutls' is set to `t'. I have gnutls-cli installed. Is that > enough to say yes? Probably. ldd should give a definitive answer. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Dec 25 16:44:15 2015 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Dec 2015 21:44:15 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35610 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aCa9n-0002eO-ET for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2015 16:44:15 -0500 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:42623) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aCa9m-0002eA-6w for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2015 16:44:14 -0500 Received: from 2.150.58.24.tmi.telenormobil.no ([2.150.58.24] helo=mouse) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1aCa9R-0004tP-3d for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2015 22:43:53 +0100 Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2015 22:43:52 +0100 Message-Id: <877fk2yzjb.fsf@gnus.org> To: control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: control message for bug #10504 X-MailScanner-ID: 1aCa9R-0004tP-3d X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1451684633.5922@H95fMdr/JnUyvjHm4OSKqQ X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) merge 10504 15905 From unknown Mon Aug 11 21:13:37 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#15905: 24.3; url-copy-file sometimes silently downloads garbage or incomplete file Resent-From: Live System User Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 15:08:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 15905 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 15905@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 15905-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B15905.14532160407158 (code B ref 15905); Tue, 19 Jan 2016 15:08:01 +0000 Received: (at 15905) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Jan 2016 15:07:20 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53861 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aLXsJ-0001rJ-Cf for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2016 10:07:19 -0500 Received: from omr-m016e.mx.aol.com ([204.29.186.16]:63488) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aLXsD-0001r1-Lz for 15905@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2016 10:07:14 -0500 Received: from mtaout-mbc02.mx.aol.com (mtaout-mbc02.mx.aol.com [172.26.221.142]) by omr-m016e.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 0C4D5380008D for <15905@debbugs.gnu.org>; Tue, 19 Jan 2016 10:07:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (c-50-163-96-131.hsd1.ma.comcast.net [50.163.96.131]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-mbc02.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id 7FE7738000088 for <15905@debbugs.gnu.org>; Tue, 19 Jan 2016 10:07:03 -0500 (EST) From: Live System User References: <52864819.7060502@thompsonclan.org> <87bn9e2rew.fsf@gnus.org> Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 10:06:12 -0500 In-Reply-To: <87bn9e2rew.fsf@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Fri, 25 Dec 2015 21:40:23 +0100") Message-ID: <878u3l8v8b.fsf@aol.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.5 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20150623; t=1453216024; bh=x54JoS5e9rIy/eLCr31rR07TvcFTxiUMjsKSMk6QG4s=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Pq7sd5dC8O1g1fZgu3vtDS2KeUEigFpPDaSjPbx3G5H4yI6+SxCATLmAwAnHLjVkX QXCTF3qgctsre4D7Pq2w6KbKsQF7wkqL5y4OS5n2a+xZF0SYZg0ZhOKj2HIUEQY+nB RxNytsOV5haliiqJ1taTRBfCkrvdXkX3SptuirIA= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1add8e569e51176cc9 X-AOL-IP: 50.163.96.131 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > Noam Postavsky writes: > >>> this may be something about Mac OS X specifically. >> >> It's only gnutls-cli specific: I built Emacs 24.3 on Debian >> --without-gnutls and got similar results; it also seemed like Emacs >> was getting stuck in some CPU burning loop, I eventually C-g'd out of >> it. >> >> gnutls-cli version 3.2.12 > > I'm not sure this is worth fixing -- perhaps the best would be to remove > the support for external TLS programs. Especially since they don't hook > into the Network Security Manager. A couple of the "blocking" bug > reports are about that... Please don't remove support for external TLS progams as that would prevent one from using facilities like OpenSSL. thanks. 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[76.234.68.79]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id xz6sm42956106pab.42.2016.01.19.08.46.10 (version=TLS1 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 19 Jan 2016 08:46:10 -0800 (PST) From: John Wiegley X-Google-Original-From: "John Wiegley" Received: by Vulcan.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id D1D08124F74E0; Tue, 19 Jan 2016 08:46:09 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <878u3l8v8b.fsf@aol.com> (Live System User's message of "Tue, 19 Jan 2016 10:06:12 -0500") Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 08:36:04 -0800 Message-ID: References: <52864819.7060502@thompsonclan.org> <87bn9e2rew.fsf@gnus.org> <878u3l8v8b.fsf@aol.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.130014 (Ma Gnus v0.14) Emacs/24.5 (darwin) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) >>>>> Live System User writes: >> I'm not sure this is worth fixing -- perhaps the best would be to remove >> the support for external TLS programs. Especially since they don't hook >> into the Network Security Manager. A couple of the "blocking" bug >> reports are about that... > Please don't remove support for external TLS progams as that would prevent > one from using facilities like OpenSSL. Lars, what is the argument for rejecting external TLS programs, for and against? -- John Wiegley GPG fingerprint = 4710 CF98 AF9B 327B B80F http://newartisans.com 60E1 46C4 BD1A 7AC1 4BA2 From unknown Mon Aug 11 21:13:37 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#15905: 24.3; url-copy-file sometimes silently downloads garbage or incomplete file Resent-From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 18:01:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 15905 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: John Wiegley Cc: 15905@debbugs.gnu.org, John Wiegley , Live System User Received: via spool by 15905-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B15905.145322640423473 (code B ref 15905); Tue, 19 Jan 2016 18:01:01 +0000 Received: (at 15905) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Jan 2016 18:00:04 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53978 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aLaZY-00066S-0g for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2016 13:00:04 -0500 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:45765) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aLaZV-00065Q-Jp for 15905@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2016 13:00:02 -0500 Received: from cm-84.215.1.64.getinternet.no ([84.215.1.64] helo=stories) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1aLaZ9-00060N-1S; Tue, 19 Jan 2016 18:59:39 +0100 From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen References: <52864819.7060502@thompsonclan.org> <87bn9e2rew.fsf@gnus.org> <878u3l8v8b.fsf@aol.com> Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAMFBMVEXHw7/Qzcv+/v7Z1tP7 +/ri4d6cmJa8uLe0sK+uqqny8e/////+//79/f3q6ef4+PddOTxQAAACLUlEQVQ4jXXTT2jTUBwH 8Ejt/Mt0DAUJHhQpjIBWPewQ2EnHRg9uhw23ILKiTC37A6I4K4peyogYFdRqdKKioEVtkv5Z8m3T q2OgN3EED6IoOBgIwg45zPfS2qZN8g6/X3if/PJefi9hQMa8gCtoGQwN5UTrdA1wOQh2ZANgUBP8 obMs+4OEU/4gY/Va87xaBRFYfeRTYbIk9PFe6OVovOWBypRzuQB8/Xvk2Hv744E124HXNoyNqa3k gRtCp7dH+chwB0vBfII90zEcxl0M9YyGR+39K0M9BErdXF87qfvADZCYmw4fCoWubyOQ5ZX1dIli Rl8k+3+5Zv9+8+4HgQFEnbUVQWPduyolEAeeA3lWFd1A2jeyqIyTCh6Pm97jHrSHO88CWQGS6gZy ep+6xy0oJ61v0UbDmIpM09XZ9Eo60YWlBnTZNCVhXDwTn7d0rg7V4iRQEFB8NtaoyDiJPO9nBtqu lrbTCvVBBrnbHpBR/M5DHfOBgxURxqQHnpoiOfjslAsEJ0VJI8PQJRfEnRQhbVLYhc76vMp0OPkV /d5vfOmvQ5kpVNegy7YPRiwX0Jbkk59JXCflxQY4x6bb2hZ10+6bOP8fckxOpvDiRKptWZWhx+qA CQp3Zu5P7l1ahnEO4GowXL2l9OcS/Ub7L1hWDTQZ7nE0bdcAc00AY3azCrONQG8zQP01k0q/JVCI wTM4+keZoheqbZ8IghEuALJSAOD4XAAg0rKxfcA/d9gB2XOiZQIAAAAASUVORK5CYII= Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 18:59:38 +0100 In-Reply-To: (John Wiegley's message of "Tue, 19 Jan 2016 08:36:04 -0800") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-MailScanner-ID: 1aLaZ9-00060N-1S X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1453831179.15417@mIsIZh8cFAbEYf3VQlqspg X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) John Wiegley writes: > Lars, what is the argument for rejecting external TLS programs, for and > against? I don't know what the pro argument is. The argument against is that using external programs doesn't go through the Emacs network security manager, and TLS validation either has to be switched off ("--insecure") or switched on for all connections. Which is, of course, unacceptable. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From unknown Mon Aug 11 21:13:37 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#15905: 24.3; url-copy-file sometimes silently downloads garbage or incomplete file Resent-From: Live System User Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2016 18:47:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 15905 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Cc: John Wiegley , John Wiegley , 15905@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 15905-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B15905.14561667666216 (code B ref 15905); Mon, 22 Feb 2016 18:47:02 +0000 Received: (at 15905) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Feb 2016 18:46:06 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38418 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aXvUk-0001cB-2X for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 22 Feb 2016 13:46:06 -0500 Received: from omr-m001e.mx.aol.com ([204.29.186.1]:53828) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aXvUg-0001bR-NM for 15905@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 22 Feb 2016 13:46:04 -0500 Received: from mtaout-mac02.mx.aol.com (mtaout-mac02.mx.aol.com [172.26.222.206]) by omr-m001e.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 5F6B43800091; Mon, 22 Feb 2016 13:45:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (pool-71-174-136-199.bstnma.east.verizon.net [71.174.136.199]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-mac02.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id B89ED38000087; Mon, 22 Feb 2016 13:45:56 -0500 (EST) From: Live System User In-Reply-To: (Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen's message of "Tue, 19 Jan 2016 18:59:38 +0100") References: <52864819.7060502@thompsonclan.org> <87bn9e2rew.fsf@gnus.org> <878u3l8v8b.fsf@aol.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.5 (gnu/linux) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2016 13:45:54 -0500 Message-ID: <8760xgoa71.fsf@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20150623; t=1456166757; bh=/aNCs9R3rfmxiVY9ZP4OBzokePVfcFf7XOcPVxUdkGE=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=zTfCvYTlDX3n7mR66fPeN9JHTyfkhLlp96+ltQK+SpW4Nzlafg9Sj61qi3y8dP1JN oI6qwplKmTtHN4S92m1yVZQputvrdbCYb1fN03GT6uigcdk/UBDUXoZaJ0IB4BR7Lq 8Vfn1UA1OSuJuzjecGESSSwg1aSuC6aSl9fZ0F2s= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1adece56cb576458e4 X-AOL-IP: 71.174.136.199 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen writes: > John Wiegley writes: > >> Lars, what is the argument for rejecting external TLS programs, for and >> against? > > I don't know what the pro argument is. One of the pro arguments, of course, is choice. > > The argument against is that using external programs doesn't go through > the Emacs network security manager, and TLS validation either has to be > switched off ("--insecure") or switched on for all connections. Which > is, of course, unacceptable. You can use certificates with the -CApath argument to OpenSSL just like GnuTLS uses trustfiles -- it doesn't have to be all or nothing. I'm not suggesting that the ("--insecure") switch be the default but why actively prevent users from using OpenSSL or any other external SSL/TLS program if they choose to do so and go through the trouble of setting it up for themselves? No one is against having internal GnuTLS and NSM facilities as a convenience and a security feature enabled and setup for users as the default environment. But please reconsider removing choice for users. Thanks. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Mar 01 09:13:32 2016 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Mar 2016 14:13:32 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54845 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aal3M-00008u-5H for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 01 Mar 2016 09:13:32 -0500 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:59561) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aal3K-00008l-LZ for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 01 Mar 2016 09:13:30 -0500 Received: from 2.151.173.136.tmi.telenormobil.no ([2.151.173.136] helo=mouse) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1aal2t-0005mY-PL for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 01 Mar 2016 15:13:04 +0100 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: control@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: control message for bug #10504 Message-ID: <87io16vj6p.fsf@totally-fudged-out-message-id> Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2016 01:12:32 +1100 User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1.50 (gnu/linux) X-MailScanner-ID: 1aal2t-0005mY-PL X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1457446384.69761@trdT94+TrZj/g0Hwa6Mbaw X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) tags 10504 wontfix close 10504