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Opening nnfolder server on archive...failed

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From: Sam Steingold <sds <at> gnu.org>
To: submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org (The Gnus Bugfixing Girls + Boys)
Subject: Opening nnfolder server on archive...failed
Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2013 15:30:09 -0500

Hi
I get this message on startup:

Warning: Opening nnfolder server on archive...failed: ; Unable to open server nnfolder+archive due to: Creating directory: Operation not supported, /home/sds

this is because on mac the home is in /Users, not /home.
I can, of course, customize nnfolder-directory and nnfolder-active-file,
but this seems wrong as I am not using nnfolder for anything.

Thanks.
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Message #8 received at 15829 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: Sam Steingold <sds <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 15829 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#15829: Opening nnfolder server on archive...failed
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2014 17:16:17 -0800

Sam Steingold <sds <at> gnu.org> writes:

> Warning: Opening nnfolder server on archive...failed: ; Unable to open
> server nnfolder+archive due to: Creating directory: Operation not
> supported, /home/sds
>
> this is because on mac the home is in /Users, not /home.
> I can, of course, customize nnfolder-directory and nnfolder-active-file,
> but this seems wrong as I am not using nnfolder for anything.

(defvoo nnfolder-directory (expand-file-name message-directory)
  "The name of the nnfolder directory.")

message-directory
=> "~/Mail/"

So ... is ~ expanding to the wrong directory on Mac?

Anyway, could you set `debug-on-error' to t and post the backtrace you
get?  It shouldn't be trying to create any directories on open, I think...

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From: Sam Steingold <sds <at> gnu.org>
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
Cc: 15829 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#15829: Opening nnfolder server on archive...failed
Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2014 15:17:41 -0500

> * Lars Ingebrigtsen <ynefv <at> tahf.bet> [2014-01-30 17:16:17 -0800]:
>
> Sam Steingold <sds <at> gnu.org> writes:
>
>> Warning: Opening nnfolder server on archive...failed: ; Unable to open
>> server nnfolder+archive due to: Creating directory: Operation not
>> supported, /home/sds
>>
>> this is because on mac the home is in /Users, not /home.
>> I can, of course, customize nnfolder-directory and nnfolder-active-file,
>> but this seems wrong as I am not using nnfolder for anything.
>
> (defvoo nnfolder-directory (expand-file-name message-directory)
>   "The name of the nnfolder directory.")

nnfolder-directory
==> "/home/sds/Mail/archive"

message-directory (customized to gnus-directory in .emacs)
==> "/Users/sds/Mail/"

gnus-directory (customized in .emacs)
==> "/Users/sds/Mail/"

(assq 'nnfolder-directory (third (assq 'nnfolder nnoo-definition-alist)))
==> (nnfolder-directory . "/Users/sds/Mail/")

> message-directory
> => "~/Mail/"
>
> So ... is ~ expanding to the wrong directory on Mac?

(expand-file-name "~")
==> "/Users/sds"

> Anyway, could you set `debug-on-error' to t and post the backtrace you
> get?  It shouldn't be trying to create any directories on open, I think...

I always run with debug-on-error==t; however, gnus, apparently, handles
the error.

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Message #14 received at 15829 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: Sam Steingold <sds <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 15829 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#15829: Opening nnfolder server on archive...failed
Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2014 18:29:34 -0800

Sam Steingold <sds <at> gnu.org> writes:

>> (defvoo nnfolder-directory (expand-file-name message-directory)
>>   "The name of the nnfolder directory.")
>
> nnfolder-directory
> ==> "/home/sds/Mail/archive"
>
> message-directory (customized to gnus-directory in .emacs)
> ==> "/Users/sds/Mail/"
>
> gnus-directory (customized in .emacs)
> ==> "/Users/sds/Mail/"
>
> (assq 'nnfolder-directory (third (assq 'nnfolder nnoo-definition-alist)))
> ==> (nnfolder-directory . "/Users/sds/Mail/")

Hm.  If you list the servers (with `^' in the group buffer), do you get
any nnfolder servers there that contains the offending setting?

>> Anyway, could you set `debug-on-error' to t and post the backtrace you
>> get?  It shouldn't be trying to create any directories on open, I think...
>
> I always run with debug-on-error==t; however, gnus, apparently, handles
> the error.

Uhm, yeah.  And I see from the code what the culprit is pretty easily:

(deffoo nnfolder-open-server (server &optional defs)
  (nnoo-change-server 'nnfolder server defs)
  (nnmail-activate 'nnfolder t)
  (gnus-make-directory nnfolder-directory)

So the question is more why Gnus thinks that it should mess with
nnfolder anyway...

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Message #17 received at 15829 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Sam Steingold <sds <at> gnu.org>
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
Cc: 15829 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#15829: Opening nnfolder server on archive...failed
Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2014 13:53:54 -0500

> * Lars Ingebrigtsen <ynefv <at> tahf.bet> [2014-02-05 18:29:34 -0800]:
>
> Sam Steingold <sds <at> gnu.org> writes:
>
>>> (defvoo nnfolder-directory (expand-file-name message-directory)
>>>   "The name of the nnfolder directory.")
>>
>> nnfolder-directory
>> ==> "/home/sds/Mail/archive"
>>
>> message-directory (customized to gnus-directory in .emacs)
>> ==> "/Users/sds/Mail/"
>>
>> gnus-directory (customized in .emacs)
>> ==> "/Users/sds/Mail/"
>>
>> (assq 'nnfolder-directory (third (assq 'nnfolder nnoo-definition-alist)))
>> ==> (nnfolder-directory . "/Users/sds/Mail/")
>
> Hm.  If you list the servers (with `^' in the group buffer), do you get
> any nnfolder servers there that contains the offending setting?

yes,

     {nnfolder:archive} (denied)

when I hit 'e', I get:

(nnfolder "archive"
          (nnfolder-directory "/home/sds/Mail/archive")
          (nnfolder-active-file "/home/sds/Mail/archive/active")
          (nnfolder-get-new-mail nil)
          (nnfolder-inhibit-expiry t))

this is coming from .newsrc.eld which I copied over when I was forced to
migrate from linux to macosx.
I have no idea how

(setq gnus-server-alist '(("archive" nnfolder "archive" (nnfolder-directory "/home/sds/Mail/archive") (nnfolder-active-file "/home/sds/Mail/archive/active") (nnfolder-get-new-mail nil) (nnfolder-inhibit-expiry t))))

ended up in newsrc.eld.

I have this in .emacs:

(custom-set-variables
 '(nnfolder-directory (expand-file-name "archive" gnus-directory))
 '(nnfolder-active-file (expand-file-name "active" nnfolder-directory)))

(I think I added them to work around the error)

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