From unknown Mon Jun 23 07:48:47 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#15809: 24.3.50; wrong defcustom type for `suggest-key-bindings' Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2013 15:32:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 15809 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 15809@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.138366547415391 (code B ref -1); Tue, 05 Nov 2013 15:32:01 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Nov 2013 15:31:14 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35912 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Vdib3-00040A-5A for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 05 Nov 2013 10:31:13 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:50050) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Vdiaz-0003zt-Kp for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 05 Nov 2013 10:31:10 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Vdiam-0008B3-BC for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 05 Nov 2013 10:31:04 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:50672) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Vdiam-0008Az-7j for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 05 Nov 2013 10:30:56 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:51753) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Vdiae-0002jq-QW for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 05 Nov 2013 10:30:56 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VdiaX-00088d-7m for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 05 Nov 2013 10:30:48 -0500 Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:31706) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VdiaW-000886-Po for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 05 Nov 2013 10:30:40 -0500 Received: from acsinet21.oracle.com (acsinet21.oracle.com [141.146.126.237]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.1/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.1) with ESMTP id rA5FUddd017853 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 15:30:39 GMT Received: from aserz7022.oracle.com (aserz7022.oracle.com [141.146.126.231]) by acsinet21.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id rA5FUcJW026927 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 15:30:39 GMT Received: from abhmt113.oracle.com (abhmt113.oracle.com [141.146.116.65]) by aserz7022.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id rA5FUcd0008759 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 15:30:38 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2013 07:30:37 -0800 (PST) From: Drew Adams X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.8 (707110) [OL 12.0.6680.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: acsinet21.oracle.com [141.146.126.237] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x-2.6.x [generic] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) Instead of `integer' the `choice' should use `number' (and the code should then ignore negative values) or `restricted-sexp' with a test that the time be non-negative. See the comment by phils here: http://stackoverflow.com/a/19782939/729907 In GNU Emacs 24.3.50.1 (i686-pc-mingw32) of 2013-10-19 on LEG570 Bzr revision: 114715 rgm@gnu.org-20131019023520-s8mwtib7xcx9e05w Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 6.1.7601 Configured using: `configure --enable-checking 'CFLAGS=3D-O0 -g3' CPPFLAGS=3D-DGLYPH_DEBUG= =3D1' From unknown Mon Jun 23 07:48:47 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#15809: 24.3.50; wrong defcustom type for `suggest-key-bindings' Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 08 Feb 2014 03:38:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 15809 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Drew Adams Cc: 15809@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 15809-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B15809.139183067929248 (code B ref 15809); Sat, 08 Feb 2014 03:38:02 +0000 Received: (at 15809) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Feb 2014 03:37:59 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55805 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WByju-0007bf-84 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 07 Feb 2014 22:37:58 -0500 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:55106) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WByjr-0007bW-4H for 15809@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 07 Feb 2014 22:37:55 -0500 Received: from [204.14.154.233] (helo=building.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1WByjZ-0004Ir-G6; Sat, 08 Feb 2014 04:37:38 +0100 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen References: Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2014 19:36:29 -0800 In-Reply-To: (Drew Adams's message of "Tue, 5 Nov 2013 07:30:37 -0800 (PST)") Message-ID: <87txca8ede.fsf@building.gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13001 (Ma Gnus v0.10) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-MailScanner-ID: 1WByjZ-0004Ir-G6 X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1392435460.99451@xIWDgYFAdNWf2nQM5eYqvA X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) Drew Adams writes: > Instead of `integer' the `choice' should use `number' (and the code > should then ignore negative values) or `restricted-sexp' with a test > that the time be non-negative. Or to be more general, perhaps there should be a custom interval type? Like (integer :minimum 1) ? Or just `natnum'? -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/ From unknown Mon Jun 23 07:48:47 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#15809: 24.3.50; wrong defcustom type for `suggest-key-bindings' Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 09 Feb 2014 02:15:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 15809 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Cc: 15809@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 15809-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B15809.139191209019974 (code B ref 15809); Sun, 09 Feb 2014 02:15:01 +0000 Received: (at 15809) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Feb 2014 02:14:50 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58484 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WCJv0-0005C6-6W for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 08 Feb 2014 21:14:50 -0500 Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:41526) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WCJux-0005Bx-NX for 15809@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 08 Feb 2014 21:14:48 -0500 Received: from acsinet21.oracle.com (acsinet21.oracle.com [141.146.126.237]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id s192Ejjh021710 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 9 Feb 2014 02:14:46 GMT Received: from userz7021.oracle.com (userz7021.oracle.com [156.151.31.85]) by acsinet21.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id s192EiwY008064 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 9 Feb 2014 02:14:45 GMT Received: from abhmp0011.oracle.com (abhmp0011.oracle.com [141.146.116.17]) by userz7021.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id s192EiZ7000585; Sun, 9 Feb 2014 02:14:44 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2014 18:14:42 -0800 (PST) From: Drew Adams References: <87txca8ede.fsf@building.gnus.org> In-Reply-To: <87txca8ede.fsf@building.gnus.org> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.8 (707110) [OL 12.0.6680.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: acsinet21.oracle.com [141.146.126.237] X-Spam-Score: -2.8 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.8 (--) > > Instead of `integer' the `choice' should use `number' (and the > > code should then ignore negative values) or `restricted-sexp' > > with a test that the time be non-negative. >=20 > Or to be more general, perhaps there should be a custom interval > type? Like (integer :minimum 1) > Or just `natnum'? That's what `restricted-sexp' is for. In this case it is a simple expression. (And what you suggest is not more general but less general than `restricted-sexp'. But that's OK too.) From unknown Mon Jun 23 07:48:47 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#15809: 24.3.50; wrong defcustom type for `suggest-key-bindings' Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 11:49:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 15809 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Drew Adams Cc: 15809@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 15809-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B15809.13921193194002 (code B ref 15809); Tue, 11 Feb 2014 11:49:02 +0000 Received: (at 15809) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Feb 2014 11:48:39 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45915 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WDBpP-00012U-DE for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 11 Feb 2014 06:48:39 -0500 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:38545) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WDBpN-00012L-D5 for 15809@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 11 Feb 2014 06:48:38 -0500 Received: from [204.14.154.233] (helo=building.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1WDBp6-0006k3-QK; Tue, 11 Feb 2014 12:48:21 +0100 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen References: <87txca8ede.fsf@building.gnus.org> Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 03:47:04 -0800 In-Reply-To: (Drew Adams's message of "Sat, 8 Feb 2014 18:14:42 -0800 (PST)") Message-ID: <877g91lvlz.fsf@building.gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13001 (Ma Gnus v0.10) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-MailScanner-ID: 1WDBp6-0006k3-QK X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1392724101.33603@VAYSX6SabpP2WO2BG797jQ X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) Drew Adams writes: >> > Instead of `integer' the `choice' should use `number' (and the >> > code should then ignore negative values) or `restricted-sexp' >> > with a test that the time be non-negative. >> >> Or to be more general, perhaps there should be a custom interval >> type? Like (integer :minimum 1) >> Or just `natnum'? > > That's what `restricted-sexp' is for. In this case it is a simple > expression. `restricted-sexp' is too general. We'd lose type info. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/ From unknown Mon Jun 23 07:48:47 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#15809: 24.3.50; wrong defcustom type for `suggest-key-bindings' Resent-From: Stefan Kangas Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 07:51:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 15809 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Cc: 15809@debbugs.gnu.org, Drew Adams Received: via spool by 15809-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B15809.16038714182205 (code B ref 15809); Wed, 28 Oct 2020 07:51:01 +0000 Received: (at 15809) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Oct 2020 07:50:18 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46928 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kXgDq-0000ZT-5K for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 03:50:18 -0400 Received: from mail-ej1-f53.google.com ([209.85.218.53]:33874) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kXgDo-0000ZD-Dq for 15809@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 03:50:17 -0400 Received: by mail-ej1-f53.google.com with SMTP id gs25so5859999ejb.1 for <15809@debbugs.gnu.org>; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 00:50:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:user-agent :mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=cSpE7Uoo107WQK2O6yk+MYT4iXW9PZG4rw75ZEnfP58=; b=kNjGAWJY5BCKpQgFD5Nk8wPr4sN4GBsVto3LKAlUIP71bAMhFyNIGuLdxSvXejXlpr 4PjtJ7DZrB1UWrtGY1qvlzFdJWAezWblOU287sHvOKCfLp/koAu9lj72N2MOH5RYa4JE HxyAKwTzchkuZr0hmHOMDlFE7yMXRHSgJBGUtj2N5D9BCfBg2BWwdJvSY1kr3XTLBE6n 1+fXxeu/CMw0ErH4r0kXwZdtgRe89/Jra8wRe5d8km70UxZP8/hNwWWosBe7Y3TwchIS uIsQU3dCP6+L9Jft02fUAZPmX2GdcQ/qIX43P6WSzlvfzqemQV8xq/J7BxFzudzFTehj aTog== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM5334uMV1p0+ulYzvf/ZnGDdyFHZEVyhBjz2qVCte8zCHZ6CHNR44 3JWAzwLWwkHctm5yIHXGZ3a/NTFL/XKRIl49cWA= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwJi3szlMWThQDDCxuUvMLfZ4G0xImZRhrSbijReKhkj1mua4tea/smcQBc0Q6Ri2aSBFhrvUFDvAI7WKy7ZNA= X-Received: by 2002:a17:906:3ed0:: with SMTP id d16mr6589010ejj.477.1603871410661; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 00:50:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 00:50:10 -0700 From: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: <87txca8ede.fsf@building.gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Fri, 07 Feb 2014 19:36:29 -0800") References: <87txca8ede.fsf@building.gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 00:50:10 -0700 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > Drew Adams writes: > >> Instead of `integer' the `choice' should use `number' (and the code >> should then ignore negative values) or `restricted-sexp' with a test >> that the time be non-negative. > > Or to be more general, perhaps there should be a custom interval type? Like > > (integer :minimum 1) > > ? > > Or just `natnum'? natnum sounds like it could be generally useful, yes. We have plenty of customizable things that should never be negative. From unknown Mon Jun 23 07:48:47 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#15809: 24.3.50; wrong defcustom type for `suggest-key-bindings' Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 08:01:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 15809 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Stefan Kangas Cc: 15809@debbugs.gnu.org, Drew Adams Received: via spool by 15809-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B15809.16038720463360 (code B ref 15809); Wed, 28 Oct 2020 08:01:01 +0000 Received: (at 15809) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Oct 2020 08:00:46 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47001 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kXgNx-0000s7-PM for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 04:00:45 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:38572) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kXgNv-0000rr-5l for 15809@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 04:00:43 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=QJNsbtPv19PIViK/8PYCM8j0EurYTUwluEAQ17KQ+2Q=; b=jyO+QS2Jy351SMkhEWoIHfS0vi v2lFghlF3iJy/tK9wNLczRC+AioIO3uY3i2QmY41D75pXdfmLE2bIwHbFJY2DKFGoMga+Icdm4MlS YbQ4bEnAm1/qBc+pPhLrqe9ZgtsG8nmaAbOLX3TLdBjzn5dgPwnjuXUuR+IgofXmLBNQ=; Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kXgNh-0005Rd-NM; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 09:00:35 +0100 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen References: <87txca8ede.fsf@building.gnus.org> Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwAgMAAAAqbBEUAAAABGdBTUEAALGPC/xhBQAAACBj SFJNAAB6JgAAgIQAAPoAAACA6AAAdTAAAOpgAAA6mAAAF3CculE8AAAADFBMVEVQFBuYJTC8oJL/ //+qk8ovAAAAAWJLR0QDEQxM8gAAAAd0SU1FB+QKHAc6F7JLTokAAAEvSURBVCjPbZExbsMwDEXJ wvTsIep55KG7DOhn8J6hPo0LNEM6dWiAVKfsJ+M4SznIfCJFftIikqqkLJs51LuLkiB2cLeXLMDQ RWTxNEiXjYFGML820eaghUeXdLl6riZPzmD9TiygJN0jKHq8t2UC2PreGCAc5AEjKtwtDkpgsiEz SwKyMaV4aXWg1CJPS0WGcHxGBp8QpnlyiG66fDxfWsO2iIGj/RL8jf4QVrYm6NdN9JI3aIycp5Cu U1sJPpGrP2umsOSgOF7yEDWRFdMpU0CMJmnkKLHu0IZNk9guKcW7zZbt69XQQn2cwr/Aoq8tqlDU Ki+txSS8+iZcq/+l6yir9u8GVMPJ3/Q1cb8JxRzogovFLJ+UqKAYvM3UUB6rM2ocdj0uWPfNVvnP bJY/pvhQT2U7yRgAAAAldEVYdGRhdGU6Y3JlYXRlADIwMjAtMTAtMjhUMDc6NTg6MjMrMDA6MDCi 6qUyAAAAJXRFWHRkYXRlOm1vZGlmeQAyMDIwLTEwLTI4VDA3OjU4OjIzKzAwOjAw07cdjgAAAABJ RU5ErkJggg== X-Now-Playing: Thee Oh Sees's _Floating Coffin_: "Tunnel Time" Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 09:00:28 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Stefan Kangas's message of "Wed, 28 Oct 2020 00:50:10 -0700") Message-ID: <87zh46wzj7.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Stefan Kangas writes: >> Or to be more general, perhaps there should be a custom interval type? Like >> >> (integer :minimum 1) >> >> ? >> >> Or just `natnum'? > > natnum sounds like it could be generally useful, yes. We h [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Stefan Kangas writes: >> Or to be more general, perhaps there should be a custom interval type? Like >> >> (integer :minimum 1) >> >> ? >> >> Or just `natnum'? > > natnum sounds like it could be generally useful, yes. We have plenty of > customizable things that should never be negative. Yeah, that's the most common numerical restriction (by far), and the few variables that are numbers with other ranges can be done with a defcustom predicate. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From unknown Mon Jun 23 07:48:47 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#15809: 24.3.50; wrong defcustom type for `suggest-key-bindings' Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 14:27:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 15809 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Lars Ingebrigtsen , Stefan Kangas Cc: 15809@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 15809-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B15809.16038951714157 (code B ref 15809); Wed, 28 Oct 2020 14:27:01 +0000 Received: (at 15809) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Oct 2020 14:26:11 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50011 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kXmOw-00014z-M4 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 10:26:10 -0400 Received: from userp2120.oracle.com ([156.151.31.85]:34376) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kXmOu-00014h-My for 15809@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 10:26:09 -0400 Received: from pps.filterd (userp2120.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by userp2120.oracle.com (8.16.0.42/8.16.0.42) with SMTP id 09SEOY2L011884; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 14:26:02 GMT DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=oracle.com; h=mime-version : message-id : date : from : sender : to : cc : subject : references : in-reply-to : content-type : content-transfer-encoding; s=corp-2020-01-29; bh=3GS3Ku85XSIm6f1LyHCGQJWegUTZOSGGQlftWh5jxPU=; b=aWQIbgqCrXiiGsiC0AzGd3QlVPem1XLX2v0ACmz3sormekmcY9CtPLcRJRWyhekYuqmx ODe81sW5LNMEKOGeeOO8GS24ZDkY5O1hwbQ5KYR3nIi8FieG4z2fvPxyDEqaR8CM7nbQ dPVvstIp+fDYtNsmjlJ1u24U41hGOAye9MF8ddVV+CTmcjzG7Tz4vtD57VhLttRGbJYZ YG04trlgByS2YRSR3OKLSyRLFJh3uEJ6FGj7EJhnROKtA7d5ioIqiTfLibEEa00e0Qyh t7pcd8hizTm3g4XfVGKsbnQDwqWb9VqwiH0ch9HlX2dGXOEG+Qjqb0hitGec2J38gwIQ ZQ== Received: from aserp3030.oracle.com (aserp3030.oracle.com [141.146.126.71]) by userp2120.oracle.com with ESMTP id 34dgm45b1n-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 28 Oct 2020 14:26:02 +0000 Received: from pps.filterd (aserp3030.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by aserp3030.oracle.com (8.16.0.42/8.16.0.42) with SMTP id 09SEKSGp035008; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 14:26:02 GMT Received: from userv0121.oracle.com (userv0121.oracle.com [156.151.31.72]) by aserp3030.oracle.com with ESMTP id 34cwunnc9h-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 28 Oct 2020 14:26:01 +0000 Received: from abhmp0016.oracle.com (abhmp0016.oracle.com [141.146.116.22]) by userv0121.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.13.8) with ESMTP id 09SEPwSB017855; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 14:25:59 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <0a7800c2-6675-4663-aa7c-5ea2ef54c5db@default> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 07:25:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams References: <87txca8ede.fsf@building.gnus.org> <87zh46wzj7.fsf@gnus.org> In-Reply-To: <87zh46wzj7.fsf@gnus.org> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.5056.0 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9787 signatures=668682 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 phishscore=0 mlxscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 adultscore=0 malwarescore=0 mlxlogscore=999 suspectscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2009150000 definitions=main-2010280098 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9787 signatures=668682 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 lowpriorityscore=0 impostorscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 phishscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 suspectscore=0 clxscore=1011 mlxscore=0 malwarescore=0 priorityscore=1501 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2009150000 definitions=main-2010280099 X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) FWIW, "natural number", like "whole number", unfortunately has two different meanings, 1... and 0..., depending on who is talking. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_number Emacs has predicate `natnump', with alias `wholenump', meaning 0... So the doc for a defcustom type that mentions "natural number" had better make clear which is meant. It can do that by mentioning predicate `natnump'.=20 From unknown Mon Jun 23 07:48:47 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#15809: 24.3.50; wrong defcustom type for `suggest-key-bindings' Resent-From: Stefan Kangas Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2021 23:33:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 15809 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Drew Adams Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , 15809@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 15809-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B15809.163252635132444 (code B ref 15809); Fri, 24 Sep 2021 23:33:01 +0000 Received: (at 15809) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Sep 2021 23:32:31 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59522 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mTugA-0008RE-VY for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 24 Sep 2021 19:32:31 -0400 Received: from mail-pj1-f52.google.com ([209.85.216.52]:33432) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mTug9-0008Qv-57 for 15809@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 24 Sep 2021 19:32:29 -0400 Received: by mail-pj1-f52.google.com with SMTP id il14-20020a17090b164e00b0019c7a7c362dso8509195pjb.0 for <15809@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 24 Sep 2021 16:32:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:user-agent :mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=mF9bjBB/tLxhDpiTBsAd0u9435YTAQqWedTfcWPT7Dw=; b=k8ouBfZWOIISfDlVVe5eH6zdoc815IU3MD/u9rUi9SBwhC363HNL13b139nifDK3ml jE7V86h0NLvF4GNJAV8nd3Ajnjua+uqbKMkw8i7KDU1UeAPml8cpoN3b+G4F+p0RQGiH I4MiMLbUS10AmTcfiNGHFchIm3E2RhtUMf6f7kALYj2UPvtlJcljtLfXS3kIzyC2vX3H iqtwRqamQ8SmmkaN12sl4MSFU/cRGW2i/TmMgZ5KhRexMzPMJHGej54Tq5P9Hx/dK0xo /YWUFPvn9ILMYW2FDGKQUYbhY+Na1OJEaoPRw3mrFm0+0Pmhk2HqvDg/a3ODFfWOj4et tu5A== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531r5bThvxEwc/99kRTUKRqA8LOmoQaX0yFiqVu0CMnbiNoQhrUj EcL0v0alA4Zba9Q0xZuLEy76HK6YCwm74TeHurQ= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzzdWNoz4oGoDyUI+SGwaywq4Ecun8hgn9OlXjKWO/k2w6HP5sKVaaf/c/RYj2/Z9TwJQyhGhO8Egv67mdOKE0= X-Received: by 2002:a17:902:d505:b0:13d:b037:2087 with SMTP id b5-20020a170902d50500b0013db0372087mr11252842plg.22.1632526342416; Fri, 24 Sep 2021 16:32:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Fri, 24 Sep 2021 16:32:21 -0700 From: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: <0a7800c2-6675-4663-aa7c-5ea2ef54c5db@default> (Drew Adams's message of "Wed, 28 Oct 2020 07:25:57 -0700 (PDT)") References: <87txca8ede.fsf@building.gnus.org> <87zh46wzj7.fsf@gnus.org> <0a7800c2-6675-4663-aa7c-5ea2ef54c5db@default> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2021 16:32:21 -0700 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) Drew Adams writes: > FWIW, "natural number", like "whole number", unfortunately > has two different meanings, 1... and 0..., depending on > who is talking. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_number > > Emacs has predicate `natnump', with alias `wholenump', > meaning 0... So the doc for a defcustom type that > mentions "natural number" had better make clear which is > meant. It can do that by mentioning predicate `natnump'. The docstring of `natnump' defines it as "a nonnegative integer". From unknown Mon Jun 23 07:48:47 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#15809: 24.3.50; wrong defcustom type for `suggest-key-bindings' Resent-From: Stefan Kangas Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2021 23:35:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 15809 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Cc: 15809@debbugs.gnu.org, Drew Adams Received: via spool by 15809-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B15809.163252648632693 (code B ref 15809); Fri, 24 Sep 2021 23:35:02 +0000 Received: (at 15809) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Sep 2021 23:34:46 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59527 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mTuiM-0008VE-B1 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 24 Sep 2021 19:34:46 -0400 Received: from mail-pj1-f44.google.com ([209.85.216.44]:55101) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mTuiK-0008Uy-Gq for 15809@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 24 Sep 2021 19:34:45 -0400 Received: by mail-pj1-f44.google.com with SMTP id me1so8036647pjb.4 for <15809@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 24 Sep 2021 16:34:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:user-agent :mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=LdjsvLZsu04rTSMce3WETkikGn9T3x0aZg5GclqTfn0=; b=CxnSQILzpCqQTsIEWYeJj/FgGQQRMDsvltZCf/l1/Dp1iZuXw9xMKlfbVuspgmeKm0 KtAgIJw22CPQaeH0vAPVPu2xxRsQ3bJvU/W/GgmAWcJaIRAuWn8rjje+Kk9EDpYjBtk1 1oOWHWUvdHHI6GQ4yOehammcMNMr6+lg9rCbuTJ+/k6h3F5+0qn9OblNGLRge2SOqee2 09oGx9xP3Nl0g6X4SnhI47gga9oT8FYdoeFcdlN2MwpHFHuYJbtMtGijz1aT03Y3orIh tlVZ3y6ej1oj9jDNOMsCvl1Z6XF5XgRTuo18k1kjfRkWuG0rWyHjaOuCZfdBFB8fglzf I56w== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531KxZp2X4OG0x9v8z2i9l8Tj7cTvXTuCs446xkqdVGYDtV/EsLr 2ecxkd7+/pm/C9HrxFUHv5arvFOpIGO8fWhRcQw= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwppM5O21lX54f3qhMQGNywHAufwFlGVHk+DgC6OQGrcehZIjlK2y4UmYchExn7fTuT04abCgKZMwy2yR8D42A= X-Received: by 2002:a17:90a:5583:: with SMTP id c3mr5106583pji.133.1632526478892; Fri, 24 Sep 2021 16:34:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Fri, 24 Sep 2021 16:34:38 -0700 From: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: <87zh46wzj7.fsf@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Wed, 28 Oct 2020 09:00:28 +0100") References: <87txca8ede.fsf@building.gnus.org> <87zh46wzj7.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2021 16:34:38 -0700 Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="000000000000dc7b9705ccc630b2" X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) --000000000000dc7b9705ccc630b2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" tags 15809 + patch thanks Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > Stefan Kangas writes: > >>> Or to be more general, perhaps there should be a custom interval type? Like >>> >>> (integer :minimum 1) >>> >>> ? >>> >>> Or just `natnum'? >> >> natnum sounds like it could be generally useful, yes. We have plenty of >> customizable things that should never be negative. > > Yeah, that's the most common numerical restriction (by far), and the few > variables that are numbers with other ranges can be done with a > defcustom predicate. 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wrong defcustom type for `suggest-key-bindings' Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2021 01:10:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 15809 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch To: Stefan Kangas Cc: 15809@debbugs.gnu.org, Drew Adams Received: via spool by 15809-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B15809.163253217112423 (code B ref 15809); Sat, 25 Sep 2021 01:10:02 +0000 Received: (at 15809) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Sep 2021 01:09:31 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59654 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mTwC3-0003EJ-72 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 24 Sep 2021 21:09:31 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:33472) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mTwC1-0003E4-IL for 15809@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 24 Sep 2021 21:09:30 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Stefan Kangas writes: > How about the attached? Looks good to me, except this detail: Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Stefan Kangas writes: > How about the attached? Looks good to me, except this detail: > +(define-widget 'natnum 'restricted-sexp > + "A nonnegative integer." > + :tag "Integer (positive)" In the tag here, that's a bit confusing. Why not just say "Integer (zero or larger)"? -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From unknown Mon Jun 23 07:48:47 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#15809: [External] : Re: bug#15809: 24.3.50; wrong defcustom type for `suggest-key-bindings' Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2021 01:25:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 15809 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch To: Stefan Kangas , Lars Ingebrigtsen Cc: "15809@debbugs.gnu.org" <15809@debbugs.gnu.org> Received: via spool by 15809-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B15809.163253309822665 (code B ref 15809); Sat, 25 Sep 2021 01:25:02 +0000 Received: (at 15809) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Sep 2021 01:24:58 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59683 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mTwQz-0005tV-PL for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; 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wrong defcustom type for `suggest-key-bindings' Resent-From: Stefan Kangas Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2021 01:55:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 15809 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Cc: 15809@debbugs.gnu.org, Drew Adams Received: via spool by 15809-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B15809.16325348902508 (code B ref 15809); Sat, 25 Sep 2021 01:55:02 +0000 Received: (at 15809) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Sep 2021 01:54:50 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59797 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mTwtu-0000eO-4v for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 24 Sep 2021 21:54:50 -0400 Received: from mail-pg1-f178.google.com ([209.85.215.178]:39891) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mTwtt-0000dv-60 for 15809@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 24 Sep 2021 21:54:49 -0400 Received: by mail-pg1-f178.google.com with SMTP id g184so11605281pgc.6 for <15809@debbugs.gnu.org>; 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Fri, 24 Sep 2021 18:54:43 -0700 From: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: <87o88hsbpc.fsf@gnus.org> References: <87txca8ede.fsf@building.gnus.org> <87zh46wzj7.fsf@gnus.org> <87o88hsbpc.fsf@gnus.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2021 18:54:43 -0700 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: >> +(define-widget 'natnum 'restricted-sexp >> + "A nonnegative integer." >> + :tag "Integer (positive)" > > In the tag here, that's a bit confusing. Why not just say "Integer > (zero or larger)"? I believe this is the preferred way to say it, for example that's what we do in `natnump', and Wikipedia says: [...] the standard ISO 80000-2,[4][a] begin the natural numbers with 0, corresponding to the non-negative integers 0, 1, 2, 3, ..., But I don't feel very strongly about it; either way seems clear to me. 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Content preview: Stefan Kangas writes: > I believe this is the preferred way to say it, for example that's what > we do in `natnump', and Wikipedia says: > > [...] the standard ISO 80000-2, [4][a] begin the natural numbers with > 0, corresp [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Stefan Kangas writes: > I believe this is the preferred way to say it, for example that's what > we do in `natnump', and Wikipedia says: > > [...] the standard ISO 80000-2,[4][a] begin the natural numbers with > 0, corresponding to the non-negative integers 0, 1, 2, 3, ..., > > But I don't feel very strongly about it; either way seems clear to me. Yeah, same here. So please go ahead and push; if anybody wants to tweak the strings here, that can be done afterwards. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From unknown Mon Jun 23 07:48:47 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#15809: [External] : Re: bug#15809: 24.3.50; wrong defcustom type for `suggest-key-bindings' Resent-From: Stefan Kangas Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2021 02:27:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 15809 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch To: Drew Adams , Lars Ingebrigtsen Cc: "15809@debbugs.gnu.org" <15809@debbugs.gnu.org> Received: via spool by 15809-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B15809.163253676923072 (code B ref 15809); Sat, 25 Sep 2021 02:27:02 +0000 Received: (at 15809) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Sep 2021 02:26:09 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59868 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mTxOC-000604-P8 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 24 Sep 2021 22:26:08 -0400 Received: from mail-pj1-f53.google.com ([209.85.216.53]:55819) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mTxO6-0005zS-RV for 15809@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 24 Sep 2021 22:26:07 -0400 Received: by mail-pj1-f53.google.com with SMTP id t20so8237781pju.5 for <15809@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 24 Sep 2021 19:26:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=yEl/XF7HIV/XjNlIFJ6nL9VdN4WRTujrswdeD4aV6lU=; b=pbDI+q1MAMZGlDMYowhw00+jERcuiSRv0pdwcVrEmPVva6edm88Cn1YoFfdZ7KVvni mPjVf9VGpqctSFk6uzBxfQi+Xj9T3kzgfD/8N6tAUv5RpVT4VeqkPWUYcApSQOfWnU75 QVTZP5WRU6Acgv1Pd3VngSaZL/txuvZ9oqDoMQYpVlmwiD9yL66eILBr+EbMdNHxCPIh mcFHZ3gHNK0LzdTf0iWp1A9wW95fNiOHv8G4PUtQGfQbCAzkUYhobAW+KuHj+/C0f8xB gm9SEfY+E08i0mFxUsoOeoz2smkSADAIEd0HXfaJv6AMiek9bUMh9OioCkKZwx40QatS qSEA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532S+4TP8T9aDd69ppi12B9ZeOgKKHtixYEyHwiN+gZGo0XlDs0E pTp7uQxZW545WJEH3NIcn+UXwsiNsI17ItahTqM= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwBpEmcfNvcALP/chijbSLevMmGjdQVfiepTRmzH/+/mCz8APU64BUcw1eLEnwmFG8A5IH1fBo8wqkhPiP0ezI= X-Received: by 2002:a17:90a:460a:: with SMTP id w10mr5925840pjg.132.1632536757091; Fri, 24 Sep 2021 19:25:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Fri, 24 Sep 2021 19:25:56 -0700 From: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: References: <87txca8ede.fsf@building.gnus.org> <87zh46wzj7.fsf@gnus.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2021 19:25:56 -0700 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) Drew Adams writes: >> How about the attached? > > In some cases you say "must", in other cases you say "should". This inconsistency is there in the documentation already, compare: :type-error "This field should contain an integer" With: @item integer The value must be an integer. Sorting it out seems beyond the scope of this bug report. If we even need to do anything about it. > You could say that one can always assign an option a value > that doesn't match its :type spec. So in practice, there's > no solid enforcement of the law. Still, the law says the > value must be a nonnegative integer, regardless of whether > there are ways to escape enforcement. It's the law that > gets written as the rule. ;-) I basically agree, but we use "must" and "should" interchangeably all over Emacs. In context, they mean more or less the same thing. From unknown Mon Jun 23 07:48:47 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#15809: 24.3.50; wrong defcustom type for `suggest-key-bindings' Resent-From: Stefan Kangas Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2021 02:44:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 15809 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Cc: 15809@debbugs.gnu.org, Drew Adams Received: via spool by 15809-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B15809.16325378201186 (code B ref 15809); Sat, 25 Sep 2021 02:44:02 +0000 Received: (at 15809) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Sep 2021 02:43:40 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59931 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mTxfA-0000Iz-9L for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 24 Sep 2021 22:43:40 -0400 Received: from mail-pf1-f180.google.com ([209.85.210.180]:34552) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mTxf5-0000IX-Rq for 15809@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 24 Sep 2021 22:43:39 -0400 Received: by mail-pf1-f180.google.com with SMTP id g14so10525463pfm.1 for <15809@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 24 Sep 2021 19:43:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=fCaF2Oh1A1nVdMIl4xj2dDV79GvOY57bn3B2W8aCh+Y=; b=JBQokLYtte/lG6PrKeTDIBLVEp0YRU+S9HnfC0Ti4Fik0w9IDbs/djl7uX5dh7ssKM ZeEbLDWZ9gsOlW/+v0kEC9G8n205aJ1i+h1iLdKtN+z09fuh7R3bCh5x6XQW6A2xpHZg v0Ti7P9gD8C8o+aJDv+829qh5KJfxsmhOYd/cA6fa9h5pTRd+NxvabeEKSSVJhWXTM8O 9H/gVOPErNgHkQFWeclqzEvmotg7lNoD50vDjCvYOIzmBTl4qmYdZkPyty3tB75Oh7ZS 0/rhRgODNjaKkRbDkNTrgsxXoXsOK76dH74WH29qHVShWpQ1PLFFN0fVY2rbUAn8yHQa oEGA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531pZw7t2u8clOedmN2xBbaj41rxZU/CyKIV9jk/kWcJhjphLQWM UgJ+UlYd2wsC79JBC+iU9yO32TrYWDYmkmn2uzU= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxFO8RU7/K1fNKaY35sSJNE1IvCTzjZhuxvsK2tHDuMua3qDEhaYLiwLOakTpLsjLcXVWO/WqYb/6kH0VTHeAU= X-Received: by 2002:a63:f946:: with SMTP id q6mr6506549pgk.42.1632537810066; Fri, 24 Sep 2021 19:43:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Fri, 24 Sep 2021 19:43:29 -0700 From: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: <87k0j5pfx3.fsf@gnus.org> References: <87txca8ede.fsf@building.gnus.org> <87zh46wzj7.fsf@gnus.org> <87o88hsbpc.fsf@gnus.org> <87k0j5pfx3.fsf@gnus.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2021 19:43:29 -0700 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) tags 15809 fixed close 15809 28.1 thanks Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > Stefan Kangas writes: > >> I believe this is the preferred way to say it, for example that's what >> we do in `natnump', and Wikipedia says: >> >> [...] the standard ISO 80000-2,[4][a] begin the natural numbers with >> 0, corresponding to the non-negative integers 0, 1, 2, 3, ..., >> >> But I don't feel very strongly about it; either way seems clear to me. > > Yeah, same here. So please go ahead and push; if anybody wants to tweak > the strings here, that can be done afterwards. OK, thanks. Now pushed to master as commit f1071bf08e. 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A modern Emacs bug tracker cannot arrive soon enough! ] > (define-widget 'natnum 'restricted-sexp > "A nonnegative integer." > :tag "Integer (positive)" Content analysis details: (1.4 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.0 SPF_HELO_NONE SPF: HELO does not publish an SPF Record 1.0 SPF_SOFTFAIL SPF: sender does not match SPF record (softfail) 0.4 KHOP_HELO_FCRDNS Relay HELO differs from its IP's reverse DNS X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) [ Resent to debugs only, because my previous attempt was eaten by a = grue. Sorry if you get this twice or not at all. A modern Emacs bug tracker cannot arrive soon enough! ] > (define-widget 'natnum 'restricted-sexp > "A nonnegative integer." > :tag "Integer (positive)" Sorry, but this is just wrong. 0 is not a positive integer. If nobody = fixes this then I will. And regarding whether natural numbers include zero, the answer is that = yes, they do. The notion that they don't is antiquated; today 0 is = assumed to be included by default unless otherwise stated or hinted in = the notation. Let's not spread some silly 19th century bickering about = something that was settled long ago. From unknown Mon Jun 23 07:48:47 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#15809: 24.3.50; wrong defcustom type for `suggest-key-bindings' Resent-From: Stefan Kangas Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2021 13:01:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 15809 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch fixed To: Mattias =?UTF-8?Q?Engdeg=C3=A5rd?= Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , 15809@debbugs.gnu.org, Drew Adams Received: via spool by 15809-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B15809.163257483014464 (code B ref 15809); Sat, 25 Sep 2021 13:01:02 +0000 Received: (at 15809) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Sep 2021 13:00:30 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60394 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mU7I5-0003lE-Vt for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 25 Sep 2021 09:00:30 -0400 Received: from mail-pg1-f174.google.com ([209.85.215.174]:43713) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mU7I3-0003l0-Hb for 15809@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 25 Sep 2021 09:00:28 -0400 Received: by mail-pg1-f174.google.com with SMTP id r2so12691907pgl.10 for <15809@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sat, 25 Sep 2021 06:00:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=mPsb/wlKBxOBL8rKhuKMfHpW7I1A8uYefCSAitczNPs=; b=VLZF6liOEXV9YtEZBeBqTKVJD2bgh1FH8uEcoyf+tLEgiPthA+/raNCSVCYu2gK/J0 opXgyB7wokZ62vDBLztGpCku133062aMVj1eTL8YSBJzsDwpQXsjLEY15ZL9yoo4S4xy 16GnKaDe754R+VKjKnQVf7B32mweuQUNHviRcUvztwo/TZGJlDqmu6fEfApn1j8bfJfE WiKT/hoX8SpMjGlCVOTqDO0khbjueb63kCK6YNfFzXd0Pio9K74tSzBmHVH7o1yoEbUp U1XLvYF1FS87lFduxYeLTXwTgH7aOM7QGMsAfpw2+x4ECmXhBLP6ar43QbAsNDtpOacH iXUw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533sLorA9OE/5M82aZgynDdihDXQ22lHKeIqPraNOSE6AqvvLsCt p73xQcit0hm4vD4TShSvAv8bKCBBbjttgoEFJis= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwcR1S0QOGrHnFdqCRZ6iEkpAVBDJzUbDFVWayRpLjazrBOzTYxLoiGoh6DTbBt+sc6ZWkvsQZw3PQPPML5404= X-Received: by 2002:a62:cd0f:0:b0:447:b8fe:d6c2 with SMTP id o15-20020a62cd0f000000b00447b8fed6c2mr14673730pfg.70.1632574821345; Sat, 25 Sep 2021 06:00:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Sat, 25 Sep 2021 06:00:20 -0700 From: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2021 06:00:20 -0700 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) Mattias Engdeg=C3=A5rd writes: >> (define-widget 'natnum 'restricted-sexp >> "A nonnegative integer." >> :tag "Integer (positive)" > > Sorry, but this is just wrong. 0 is not a positive integer. The text does not say that zero is positive. Feel free to improve it, but I don't think the terminology "nonnegative" is unusual or incorrect. For example, here is the definition of "nonnegative integer" from Wolfram MathWorld: Nonnegative Integer An integer that is either 0 or positive, i.e., a member of the set =E2=84=A4^* =3D {0} =E2=88=AA =E2=84=A4^+, where =CE=96-+ denotes the p= ositive integers. SEE ALSO: Negative Integer, Nonpositive Integer, Positive Integer, Z-* https://mathworld.wolfram.com/NonnegativeInteger.html From unknown Mon Jun 23 07:48:47 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#15809: 24.3.50; wrong defcustom type for `suggest-key-bindings' Resent-From: Mattias =?UTF-8?Q?Engdeg=C3=A5rd?= Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2021 13:08:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 15809 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch fixed To: Stefan Kangas Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , 15809@debbugs.gnu.org, Drew Adams Received: via spool by 15809-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B15809.163257526215182 (code B ref 15809); Sat, 25 Sep 2021 13:08:02 +0000 Received: (at 15809) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Sep 2021 13:07:42 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60414 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mU7P3-0003wo-Nu for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 25 Sep 2021 09:07:41 -0400 Received: from mail18c50.megamailservers.eu ([91.136.10.28]:56012) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mU7P0-0003wc-JG for 15809@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 25 Sep 2021 09:07:40 -0400 X-Authenticated-User: mattiase@bredband.net DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=megamailservers.eu; s=maildub; t=1632575256; bh=7e11g/FbxYS/mYKa12PrJFFmtF+cSQcNs05ymnCGQFc=; h=Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:References:To:From; b=D/1ImXKYcgn6Gir1cd4NqWRLkkMHWcQGOZYgTIsBeg9gsKSiYtjA8Vj1zkAEH5xC9 9IwgOu2oUSy9Ej2XP13ig+z3/XvzAsVwKzXWx0jLOf1j+r0+BjN1gdGSbQENUhOD0J hjSlzcDlzEM3eEvgsU6uny0r9QzVmjB6cNGcXXqc= Feedback-ID: mattiase@acm.or Received: from [192.168.0.4] (c188-150-171-71.bredband.tele2.se [188.150.171.71]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail18c50.megamailservers.eu (8.14.9/8.13.1) with ESMTP id 18PD7YcE016547; Sat, 25 Sep 2021 13:07:35 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.21\)) From: Mattias =?UTF-8?Q?Engdeg=C3=A5rd?= In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2021 15:07:33 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.21) X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A742F1C.614F1F18.0036, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 X-CTCH-VOD: Unknown X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown X-CTCH-Score: 0.000 X-CTCH-Rules: X-CTCH-Flags: 0 X-CTCH-ScoreCust: 0.000 X-CSC: 0 X-CHA: v=2.4 cv=etO8cqlX c=1 sm=1 tr=0 ts=614f1f18 a=SF+I6pRkHZhrawxbOkkvaA==:117 a=SF+I6pRkHZhrawxbOkkvaA==:17 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=M51BFTxLslgA:10 a=2K1hL3OyjPTOV4dfKjQA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 X-Origin-Country: SE X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) 25 sep. 2021 kl. 15.00 skrev Stefan Kangas : >>> (define-widget 'natnum 'restricted-sexp >>> "A nonnegative integer." >>> :tag "Integer (positive)" >>=20 >> Sorry, but this is just wrong. 0 is not a positive integer. >=20 > The text does not say that zero is positive. Actually the tag text does. > Feel free to improve it, but I don't think the terminology = "nonnegative" > is unusual or incorrect. It's fine! But "Integer (positive)" isn't, if we are talking about = something that can be zero. What about "Integer (nonnegative)", "Integer (positive or zero)", or = something else? And please accept my apologies about the somewhat unfriendly tone of my = original message. I'm really very happy with the change otherwise. From unknown Mon Jun 23 07:48:47 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#15809: 24.3.50; wrong defcustom type for `suggest-key-bindings' Resent-From: Stefan Kangas Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2021 14:55:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 15809 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch fixed To: Mattias =?UTF-8?Q?Engdeg=C3=A5rd?= Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , 15809@debbugs.gnu.org, Drew Adams Received: via spool by 15809-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B15809.16325816462597 (code B ref 15809); Sat, 25 Sep 2021 14:55:02 +0000 Received: (at 15809) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Sep 2021 14:54:06 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34286 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mU942-0000fo-El for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 25 Sep 2021 10:54:06 -0400 Received: from mail-pj1-f51.google.com ([209.85.216.51]:45997) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mU93z-0000fJ-OY for 15809@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 25 Sep 2021 10:54:04 -0400 Received: by mail-pj1-f51.google.com with SMTP id mv7-20020a17090b198700b0019c843e7233so9722264pjb.4 for <15809@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sat, 25 Sep 2021 07:54:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=YIEolJIK1NjCvYyevz/NAe5Grm5vfJOmrbWIE5WA87o=; b=2oMvOq4zDEqAbx+p26yWzFJ1Ks7A6kdg4qAf228TMKI2HuEU9362iXWoJwWYKWJuIW TphXfNAWwI2pm3e6ZdH4KDPc5pi8v7R46hGgbVwEJ0jdiWwuOWxd1wdxdS/nRtq7ljye aHX9/YJXLmybh8mpEPZzGFiE2pDPq5K39bT7MHt9ntPPr+ElnroT52nWerdPfgO1ZVqm L9VicBI7xdOfqRsRfGeaLl5C0CA9vjH807x9DhCWfvXAFg5f/mTTiWk6aaECIEZndFO7 ZJ3BvyH+i3VWLJHUEQli0hA8A8KEvLleaHNLC0DMC1DUBkajPXsG7jY1Q7/h79Eb22m3 cXcQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533grIusR3G20a+gd2yX3rQ5tvTQ+FRxphPrtLmHP1j1xBr49S2E qSnEH7jGW4WwIQizoc4AfrAMhj5X2twKR/OX3sI= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzoZvfSyD652CbcQAk6hrClPPhXZI5HKARqYznb0kTrgLgXupWkujy/EKC1+JzXiZqb5yl5P7wzfNlcI5Xzpuo= X-Received: by 2002:a17:903:189:b0:13d:965f:e83f with SMTP id z9-20020a170903018900b0013d965fe83fmr14364567plg.32.1632581637661; Sat, 25 Sep 2021 07:53:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Sat, 25 Sep 2021 07:53:57 -0700 From: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2021 07:53:57 -0700 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) Mattias Engdeg=C3=A5rd writes: > 25 sep. 2021 kl. 15.00 skrev Stefan Kangas : > >>>> (define-widget 'natnum 'restricted-sexp >>>> "A nonnegative integer." >>>> :tag "Integer (positive)" >>> >>> Sorry, but this is just wrong. 0 is not a positive integer. >> >> The text does not say that zero is positive. > > Actually the tag text does. Well spotted, thanks! That is completely wrong, yes. > What about "Integer (nonnegative)", "Integer (positive or zero)", or > something else? Both sound good to me. The second one doesn't just repeat what is already said in the other text, so I slightly prefer that one. Feel free to install whichever you like better (or tell me to do it if that's easier). > And please accept my apologies about the somewhat unfriendly tone of > my original message. I'm really very happy with the change otherwise. No reason to apologize. I was mostly wondering what was the reason for all the commotion, but now I can see why. :-) From unknown Mon Jun 23 07:48:47 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#15809: [External] : Re: bug#15809: 24.3.50; wrong defcustom type for `suggest-key-bindings' Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2021 15:23:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 15809 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch fixed To: Stefan Kangas , Lars Ingebrigtsen Cc: "15809@debbugs.gnu.org" <15809@debbugs.gnu.org> Received: via spool by 15809-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B15809.163258333113666 (code B ref 15809); Sat, 25 Sep 2021 15:23:01 +0000 Received: (at 15809) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Sep 2021 15:22:11 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34333 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mU9VA-0003YJ-Ar for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; 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If nobody > fixes this then I will. 100% agreement that "positive" is wrong - it does not apply to 0. > And regarding whether natural numbers include zero, the answer is that > yes, they do. The notion that they don't is antiquated; today 0 is > assumed to be included by default unless otherwise stated or hinted in > the notation. Let's not spread some silly 19th century bickering about > something that was settled long ago. It's not about what is current or appropriate in math etc. It's about providing doc that leaves less room for confusion. And yes, "natural number" is understood differently by different people, unfortunately. It's not hard to be clear, here. "Nonnegative integer" is short, clear, unambiguous. 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wrong defcustom type for `suggest-key-bindings' Resent-From: Stefan Kangas Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2021 15:57:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 15809 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch fixed To: Drew Adams , Lars Ingebrigtsen Cc: "15809@debbugs.gnu.org" <15809@debbugs.gnu.org> Received: via spool by 15809-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B15809.16325854111730 (code B ref 15809); Sat, 25 Sep 2021 15:57:02 +0000 Received: (at 15809) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Sep 2021 15:56:51 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34435 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mUA2k-0000Rq-Rt for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 25 Sep 2021 11:56:51 -0400 Received: from mail-pg1-f170.google.com ([209.85.215.170]:34727) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mUA2j-0000Re-BL for 15809@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 25 Sep 2021 11:56:49 -0400 Received: by mail-pg1-f170.google.com with SMTP id f129so13056709pgc.1 for <15809@debbugs.gnu.org>; 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Sat, 25 Sep 2021 08:56:42 -0700 From: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: References: <87txca8ede.fsf@building.gnus.org> <87zh46wzj7.fsf@gnus.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2021 08:56:42 -0700 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) Drew Adams writes: > I'm not asking that you fix this throughout Emacs. > I'm asking you to DTRT for this bug fix, i.e., for > this defcustom. I think in the context of this bug report, TRT is to do nothing, as we have the convention that "should" and "must" is the same all over Emacs. Unless we decide that "should" is generally to be avoided, there is nothing to do. > There's a real, big difference between "must" and > "should". And in general "should" is a weasel word > and "should" ;-) be avoided in technical doc. My suggestion is to report this as a separate bug. If we would decide to do anything, I think it would be most productive to do it in the form of an amendment to `(elisp) Documentation Tips'. From unknown Mon Jun 23 07:48:47 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#15809: [External] : Re: bug#15809: 24.3.50; wrong defcustom type for `suggest-key-bindings' Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2021 16:02:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 15809 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch fixed To: Drew Adams Cc: 15809@debbugs.gnu.org, larsi@gnus.org, stefan@marxist.se Received: via spool by 15809-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B15809.16325856882296 (code B ref 15809); Sat, 25 Sep 2021 16:02:01 +0000 Received: (at 15809) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Sep 2021 16:01:28 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34439 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mUA7E-0000ay-F9 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 25 Sep 2021 12:01:28 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:47414) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mUA7C-0000ak-UI for 15809@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 25 Sep 2021 12:01:27 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:46698) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mUA77-0003pC-5W; Sat, 25 Sep 2021 12:01:21 -0400 Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:3542 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mUA76-0001d4-5I; Sat, 25 Sep 2021 12:01:21 -0400 Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2021 19:01:16 +0300 Message-Id: <831r5cr6er.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: (message from Drew Adams on Sat, 25 Sep 2021 15:22:00 +0000) References: <87txca8ede.fsf@building.gnus.org> <87zh46wzj7.fsf@gnus.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Drew Adams > Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2021 15:22:00 +0000 > Cc: "15809@debbugs.gnu.org" <15809@debbugs.gnu.org> > > There's a real, big difference between "must" and > "should". And in general "should" is a weasel word > and "should" ;-) be avoided in technical doc. True for documents that specify formal requirements. Which our documentation isn't. So this is an unnecessary complication, and we shouldn't be bothered by it. From unknown Mon Jun 23 07:48:47 2025 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.505 (Entity 5.505) X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org From: help-debbugs@gnu.org (GNU bug Tracking System) To: Drew Adams Subject: bug#15809: closed (Re: bug#15809: 24.3.50; wrong defcustom type for `suggest-key-bindings' ) Message-ID: References: X-Gnu-PR-Message: they-closed 15809 X-Gnu-PR-Package: emacs X-Gnu-PR-Keywords: patch fixed Reply-To: 15809@debbugs.gnu.org Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2021 18:33:02 +0000 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------=_1632594782-9861-1" This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1632594782-9861-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Your bug report #15809: 24.3.50; wrong defcustom type for `suggest-key-bindings' which was filed against the emacs package, has been closed. The explanation is attached below, along with your original report. 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: > Both sound good to me. The second one doesn't just repeat what is > already said in the other text, so I slightly prefer that one. Then that's what it will be. Thank you, pushed and closed. 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Thank you, pushed and closed. ------------=_1632594782-9861-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Nov 2013 15:31:14 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35912 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Vdib3-00040A-5A for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 05 Nov 2013 10:31:13 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:50050) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Vdiaz-0003zt-Kp for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 05 Nov 2013 10:31:10 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Vdiam-0008B3-BC for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 05 Nov 2013 10:31:04 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:50672) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Vdiam-0008Az-7j for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 05 Nov 2013 10:30:56 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:51753) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Vdiae-0002jq-QW for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 05 Nov 2013 10:30:56 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VdiaX-00088d-7m for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 05 Nov 2013 10:30:48 -0500 Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:31706) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VdiaW-000886-Po for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 05 Nov 2013 10:30:40 -0500 Received: from acsinet21.oracle.com (acsinet21.oracle.com [141.146.126.237]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.1/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.1) with ESMTP id rA5FUddd017853 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 15:30:39 GMT Received: from aserz7022.oracle.com (aserz7022.oracle.com [141.146.126.231]) by acsinet21.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id rA5FUcJW026927 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 15:30:39 GMT Received: from abhmt113.oracle.com (abhmt113.oracle.com [141.146.116.65]) by aserz7022.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id rA5FUcd0008759 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 15:30:38 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2013 07:30:37 -0800 (PST) From: Drew Adams To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 24.3.50; wrong defcustom type for `suggest-key-bindings' X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.8 (707110) [OL 12.0.6680.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: acsinet21.oracle.com [141.146.126.237] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x-2.6.x [generic] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) Instead of `integer' the `choice' should use `number' (and the code should then ignore negative values) or `restricted-sexp' with a test that the time be non-negative. See the comment by phils here: http://stackoverflow.com/a/19782939/729907 In GNU Emacs 24.3.50.1 (i686-pc-mingw32) of 2013-10-19 on LEG570 Bzr revision: 114715 rgm@gnu.org-20131019023520-s8mwtib7xcx9e05w Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 6.1.7601 Configured using: `configure --enable-checking 'CFLAGS=3D-O0 -g3' CPPFLAGS=3D-DGLYPH_DEBUG= =3D1' ------------=_1632594782-9861-1--