From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Nov 04 10:04:58 2013 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Nov 2013 15:04:58 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34271 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VdLi4-0005bd-LY for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 04 Nov 2013 10:04:58 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:53839) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VdLi1-0005bO-OA for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 04 Nov 2013 10:04:55 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VdLhq-0004CF-1x for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 04 Nov 2013 10:04:48 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,FREEMAIL_FROM, T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:43988) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VdLhp-0004C4-Ul for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 04 Nov 2013 10:04:41 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:55501) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VdLhj-000681-S1 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 04 Nov 2013 10:04:41 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VdLhd-00045j-IY for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 04 Nov 2013 10:04:35 -0500 Received: from mail-pd0-x229.google.com ([2607:f8b0:400e:c02::229]:54580) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VdLhd-00045Z-6T for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 04 Nov 2013 10:04:29 -0500 Received: by mail-pd0-f169.google.com with SMTP id q10so6761241pdj.14 for ; Mon, 04 Nov 2013 07:04:28 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type; bh=ivx2lDQW8K5xIKZP4n5W/dR1EOwiD3ZOqXRqNioYN9k=; b=0N6Pjc6CtUfOh2VvfzVaDnBY9mM28P6Jyu10dkcV0+SNpKR546HKrHth0/SgVv15v7 agajGSJFbIx30AmnHFCHIMz6pBXvyQtj99jLGBFbioi2mxaUMwjKI5OGsvbxslcPwMEA MUpXCs7x3vcppHW2CWZWpxKkCUny34e2apx2bKBaj9Cit8uBHwH+r+6+xpfE3FdK9gEo 46l6+0L3OiDW9pz/hVUFFFvDwM3nDBueycaix+pCTP0LgH+bvXNPnKXe+ko6EPGl7TE1 fJGrimBGAf179Fe8mX7hisLi0ZB8+MYgLRrTLRg+yz7iqx+2uIHK4jdxBK2AK/q2eupx rSlg== X-Received: by 10.68.21.66 with SMTP id t2mr2911285pbe.151.1383577467956; Mon, 04 Nov 2013 07:04:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from debian-6.05 ([101.63.144.207]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id oj6sm33679415pab.9.2013.11.04.07.04.25 for (version=TLSv1.1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 04 Nov 2013 07:04:27 -0800 (PST) From: Jambunathan K To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 24.3.50; hebrew: describe-input-method, case sensitive or not Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2013 20:33:32 +0530 Message-ID: <87fvrc43az.fsf@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) 1. C-x b *scratch* 2. M-x set-input-method RET hebrew RET 3. C-h C-\ Note that the table that is shown suggests that the Latin characters should be typed in uppercase. 4. Type the following chars - SUS AKUO - See what happens. 5. Type the follwoing chars - sus akuo - See what happens. What needs to happen: Either take the input chars case-insensitively or use lowercase latin letters in the help table. In GNU Emacs 24.3.50.5 (i686-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.20.1) of 2013-11-04 on debian-6.05 Bzr revision: 114933 monnier@iro.umontreal.ca-20131104042959-sy10svhxghg2z9ei Windowing system distributor `The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.10707000 System Description: Debian GNU/Linux 6.0.5 (squeeze) Important settings: value of $LANG: en_IN locale-coding-system: iso-latin-1-unix default enable-multibyte-characters: t Major mode: Lisp Interaction Minor modes in effect: eldoc-post-insert-mode: t url-handler-mode: t global-hi-lock-mode: t hi-lock-mode: t which-function-mode: t show-paren-mode: t savehist-mode: t icomplete-mode: t electric-pair-mode: t electric-indent-mode: t desktop-save-mode: t outline-minor-mode: t tooltip-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t tool-bar-mode: t menu-bar-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t blink-cursor-mode: t auto-composition-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t column-number-mode: t line-number-mode: t transient-mark-mode: t Recent input: o C-x 1 x r e p o r t - C-g x r e p o r t - e m H e b r w e w e e SPC w i n w SPC h e b r e w SPC i n p u t SPC m e t h o d SPC : SPC I s SPC i t SPC + SPC c a s e SPC i s e n s i t i t l y C-a C-k h e r b e r e r e w SPC + SPC Q u a q u C-x b C-h k C-h C-\ C-x 1 x s e t - i n p u t C-g x r e p o r t - e m a c s Recent messages: Mark set Marking matching files... 8 matching files marked. 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Received: from mtaout22.012.net.il ([80.179.55.172]:35604) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VdMz1-0007b8-FV for 15800@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 04 Nov 2013 11:26:32 -0500 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout22.012.net.il by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0MVQ00A00YXFVC00@a-mtaout22.012.net.il> for 15800@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 04 Nov 2013 18:25:33 +0200 (IST) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0MVQ00AVCYYKTK00@a-mtaout22.012.net.il>; Mon, 04 Nov 2013 18:25:33 +0200 (IST) Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2013 18:25:28 +0200 From: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#15800: 24.3.50; hebrew: describe-input-method, case sensitive or not In-reply-to: <87fvrc43az.fsf@gmail.com> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il To: Jambunathan K Message-id: <83txfs877r.fsf@gnu.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT References: <87fvrc43az.fsf@gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 15800 Cc: 15800@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) > From: Jambunathan K > Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2013 20:33:32 +0530 > > > 1. C-x b *scratch* > 2. M-x set-input-method RET hebrew RET > 3. C-h C-\ > > Note that the table that is shown suggests that the Latin characters > should be typed in uppercase. > > 4. Type the following chars - SUS AKUO - See what happens. With the current trunk (revno 114942), I see "SUS AKUO". > 5. Type the follwoing chars - sus akuo - See what happens. I see "דוד שלום". These are the expected results. Please tell what you see on your system, instead of letting us guess. Please never assume that others will see the same as you do, that just wastes time we could use for fixing whatever bugs are there. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Nov 04 11:33:11 2013 Received: (at 15800) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Nov 2013 16:33:11 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34366 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VdN5T-0007mo-8K for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 04 Nov 2013 11:33:11 -0500 Received: from mail-pa0-f52.google.com ([209.85.220.52]:58202) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VdN5R-0007mZ-C6 for 15800@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 04 Nov 2013 11:33:09 -0500 Received: by mail-pa0-f52.google.com with SMTP id bj1so7086247pad.39 for <15800@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 04 Nov 2013 08:33:03 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=CubpyApv65XFjVgFwgdIMl39Q7jb7IXzNweGEPJKNKM=; b=HITSvLEAWSr8h/Namyh7/+v0qnkVHeszddPOz+cvPQQBWI5RAaq/PNLi7HNDmIBmQo gyHg18sU3I+rmUNyyh0vFu38Hnx0xGpigud1L7WLsOUaaPR+yDuJsf5VEUP3Vnk27AFc 3Sg8iGjBXDjNxrlu42f8qPZv0o6XkiuB5EfryWJ900gIWX9U4vEutfJZwsKQxHzU5Ksk 8xoixUzHh8SrnLF47wffpkuDuib6azzB8Tw1ETJVdOg3ZL/He5KritPGa/yRoIBYEbcF 48Ls6MpVcNLxrZ7ZjsmzJ0NEFji6szZPKmtVSFbL6t4MxBV/muPu9xehZL6YXnwvSO+d PFhA== X-Received: by 10.66.122.40 with SMTP id lp8mr18249681pab.82.1383582783458; Mon, 04 Nov 2013 08:33:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from debian-6.05 ([101.63.144.207]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id hw10sm29110708pbc.24.2013.11.04.08.33.00 for (version=TLSv1.1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 04 Nov 2013 08:33:02 -0800 (PST) From: Jambunathan K To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#15800: 24.3.50; hebrew: describe-input-method, case sensitive or not References: <87fvrc43az.fsf@gmail.com> <83txfs877r.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2013 22:02:12 +0530 In-Reply-To: <83txfs877r.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Mon, 04 Nov 2013 18:25:28 +0200") Message-ID: <87y554qgab.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 15800 Cc: 15800@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) Eli Zaretskii writes: > With the current trunk (revno 114942), I see "SUS AKUO". I get English. I expect Hebrew not English. My expectation is based on what the C-h C-\ table suggests. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Nov 04 12:01:12 2013 Received: (at 15800) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Nov 2013 17:01:12 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34408 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VdNWa-0008TD-BR for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 04 Nov 2013 12:01:12 -0500 Received: from mtaout22.012.net.il ([80.179.55.172]:44006) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VdNWY-0008T1-Ti for 15800@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 04 Nov 2013 12:01:11 -0500 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout22.012.net.il by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0MVR00B000J06L00@a-mtaout22.012.net.il> for 15800@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 04 Nov 2013 19:01:05 +0200 (IST) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0MVR00A7Y0LSOVD0@a-mtaout22.012.net.il>; Mon, 04 Nov 2013 19:01:04 +0200 (IST) Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2013 19:01:00 +0200 From: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#15800: 24.3.50; hebrew: describe-input-method, case sensitive or not In-reply-to: <87y554qgab.fsf@gmail.com> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il To: Jambunathan K Message-id: <83r4aw85kj.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87fvrc43az.fsf@gmail.com> <83txfs877r.fsf@gnu.org> <87y554qgab.fsf@gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 15800 Cc: 15800@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) > From: Jambunathan K > Cc: 15800@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2013 22:02:12 +0530 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > With the current trunk (revno 114942), I see "SUS AKUO". > > I get English. I expect Hebrew not English. My expectation is based on > what the C-h C-\ table suggests. Then I think there's a misunderstanding here: the table shows the Latin characters in upper case because that's what the shifted keys are supposed to produce -- upper-case Latin letters. IOW, you cannot produce lower-case Latin letters with this input method, you need to switch out of the input method first. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Nov 04 12:16:54 2013 Received: (at 15800) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Nov 2013 17:16:54 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34422 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VdNll-0000PZ-J2 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 04 Nov 2013 12:16:53 -0500 Received: from mail-pd0-f173.google.com ([209.85.192.173]:48783) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VdNlj-0000PF-2s for 15800@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 04 Nov 2013 12:16:51 -0500 Received: by mail-pd0-f173.google.com with SMTP id r10so6900093pdi.4 for <15800@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 04 Nov 2013 09:16:44 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=uaXyDysRUmeg9FKpC/TSKvh72KXoPH7tVuT8eL5XMvA=; b=NbDGs3TrW5UsPKU+00kN9LZBFv1HDFN2WsphbDJ5gAUkJ8MrndZzy+lr4j8v/4WKFs K//ZxNlOOQE4H2ZZFghaP5VF3zAo8OHPXuyQEvDMXuGY7QWuyK3PmP+SqPhtRaMbzNO/ mVyfjFBRNVXI992wlf9V4wYiKgstGEKyoWZNyWdgJc1AMEObHt4d9XEp5/9IXYl8RBwR CH/hisApwCUYA2N8OPMex7GWygkZuet7ab1JcSKPaamP5kOkix410Kgb1glz7Ke58o3y ZlUNd44I0sWcJG48v8UNMOVNz8yUst8S1t/EHo//dGb2+OiH/hVLh6Yt9fc4fuVpwwHp BW5w== X-Received: by 10.66.121.234 with SMTP id ln10mr18436497pab.20.1383585021306; Mon, 04 Nov 2013 09:10:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from debian-6.05 ([101.63.173.111]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id og5sm29276564pbb.10.2013.11.04.09.10.18 for (version=TLSv1.1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 04 Nov 2013 09:10:20 -0800 (PST) From: Jambunathan K To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#15800: 24.3.50; hebrew: describe-input-method, case sensitive or not References: <87fvrc43az.fsf@gmail.com> <83txfs877r.fsf@gnu.org> <87y554qgab.fsf@gmail.com> <83r4aw85kj.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2013 22:39:30 +0530 In-Reply-To: <83r4aw85kj.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Mon, 04 Nov 2013 19:01:00 +0200") Message-ID: <87txfs9jqt.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 15800 Cc: 15800@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) Eli Zaretskii writes: > Then I think there's a misunderstanding here: the table shows the > Latin characters in upper case because that's what the shifted keys > are supposed to produce -- upper-case Latin letters. > > IOW, you cannot produce lower-case Latin letters with this input > method, you need to switch out of the input method first. I don't want English at all. I don't want to mix English and Hebrew. I just wnat a buffer with Hebrew and nothing else. The input table says type 'S' to get some hebrew char. If I type that char, I don't get hebrew. But if I type lowercase 's', then I get the required hebrew char. So, FIX THE HELP TEXT IN INPUT TABLE so that it replaces 'S' with 's' (likewise for other chars) or UPCASE THE INPUT CHAR before transcoding it. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Nov 04 12:45:24 2013 Received: (at 15800) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Nov 2013 17:45:24 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34468 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VdODI-0001AW-IM for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 04 Nov 2013 12:45:24 -0500 Received: from mtaout23.012.net.il ([80.179.55.175]:49770) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VdODC-0001A9-M9 for 15800@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 04 Nov 2013 12:45:16 -0500 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout23.012.net.il by a-mtaout23.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0MVR00M002IAIM00@a-mtaout23.012.net.il> for 15800@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 04 Nov 2013 19:45:08 +0200 (IST) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout23.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0MVR00MFG2N6IS00@a-mtaout23.012.net.il>; Mon, 04 Nov 2013 19:45:06 +0200 (IST) Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2013 19:45:02 +0200 From: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#15800: 24.3.50; hebrew: describe-input-method, case sensitive or not In-reply-to: <87txfs9jqt.fsf@gmail.com> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il To: Jambunathan K Message-id: <83li1483j5.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87fvrc43az.fsf@gmail.com> <83txfs877r.fsf@gnu.org> <87y554qgab.fsf@gmail.com> <83r4aw85kj.fsf@gnu.org> <87txfs9jqt.fsf@gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 15800 Cc: 15800@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) > From: Jambunathan K > Cc: 15800@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2013 22:39:30 +0530 > > The input table says type 'S' to get some hebrew char. If I type that > char, I don't get hebrew. But if I type lowercase 's', then I get the > required hebrew char. The 'S' label does not mean "press upper-case S", it says that this key will produce an upper-case S when used with Shift, and "some hebrew char" when used without Shift. I think this is the convention with every input method that shows the keyboard layout. E.g., try greek-postfix. I wonder what can we say in the introductory text before the layout, to make this point clear. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Nov 04 13:05:26 2013 Received: (at 15800) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Nov 2013 18:05:26 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34494 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VdOWj-0001fS-Vj for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 04 Nov 2013 13:05:26 -0500 Received: from mtaout22.012.net.il ([80.179.55.172]:59578) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VdOWh-0001fD-6W for 15800@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 04 Nov 2013 13:05:24 -0500 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout22.012.net.il by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0MVR00B003K1OB00@a-mtaout22.012.net.il> for 15800@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 04 Nov 2013 20:05:16 +0200 (IST) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0MVR00B0Z3KSBL90@a-mtaout22.012.net.il>; Mon, 04 Nov 2013 20:05:16 +0200 (IST) Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2013 20:05:12 +0200 From: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#15800: 24.3.50; hebrew: describe-input-method, case sensitive or not In-reply-to: <83li1483j5.fsf@gnu.org> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il To: kjambunathan@gmail.com Message-id: <83k3go82lj.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87fvrc43az.fsf@gmail.com> <83txfs877r.fsf@gnu.org> <87y554qgab.fsf@gmail.com> <83r4aw85kj.fsf@gnu.org> <87txfs9jqt.fsf@gmail.com> <83li1483j5.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 15800 Cc: 15800@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) > Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2013 19:45:02 +0200 > From: Eli Zaretskii > Cc: 15800@debbugs.gnu.org > > The 'S' label does not mean "press upper-case S", it says that this > key will produce an upper-case S when used with Shift, and "some > hebrew char" when used without Shift. IOW, this is supposed to show the actual labels on the keyboard keys. Those show which character will be produced, not what to press. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Nov 04 13:36:58 2013 Received: (at 15800) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Nov 2013 18:36:58 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34522 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VdP1G-0002Ty-J3 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 04 Nov 2013 13:36:58 -0500 Received: from mail-pa0-f51.google.com ([209.85.220.51]:37013) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VdP1E-0002Th-1K for 15800@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 04 Nov 2013 13:36:56 -0500 Received: by mail-pa0-f51.google.com with SMTP id ld10so7242619pab.38 for <15800@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 04 Nov 2013 10:36:49 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=HBDypHuUdACbDD1z8TV4JZ/YiMS4o+hr4wbPgI2pmZs=; b=K2/pZbhQvcnd1B2LoywP+XNJxUU+zW1sJ7goo7z8BuujAtVKIkHyIKpk6PbZVQpfyC PfrzPQWRIjO1IkDTRtsOXhHe/CqZSxj1pZ20JqUNliTIA13HAGbd9NTJ55rjLvfFp8aW mc0SK2P+EXGkICP+KN5crrQ/+w8Dr1XPwvwA/qJbSsFQvq02XBSPCkYlzTH+Y0r+xkIO 3JmZPr2u2fkoKqP++UIw0QRuJ2WknsZ0WPph+j/Qhjc+/gAS0ABS+L8DXWIfVYNbf0aI fnz7JJf0AoiM0oPdRdUVZduKo57Pn4TNbudP3xLZT1dVC5fAGeEY35/u6mFkehljrVgE Gaqw== X-Received: by 10.66.142.193 with SMTP id ry1mr3796977pab.150.1383590209800; Mon, 04 Nov 2013 10:36:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from debian-6.05 ([101.63.173.111]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id ik1sm29610918pbc.9.2013.11.04.10.36.47 for (version=TLSv1.1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 04 Nov 2013 10:36:49 -0800 (PST) From: Jambunathan K To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#15800: 24.3.50; hebrew: describe-input-method, case sensitive or not References: <87fvrc43az.fsf@gmail.com> <83txfs877r.fsf@gnu.org> <87y554qgab.fsf@gmail.com> <83r4aw85kj.fsf@gnu.org> <87txfs9jqt.fsf@gmail.com> <83li1483j5.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2013 00:05:59 +0530 In-Reply-To: <83li1483j5.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Mon, 04 Nov 2013 19:45:02 +0200") Message-ID: <87li14koa8.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 15800 Cc: 15800@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) Eli Zaretskii writes: > The 'S' label does not mean "press upper-case S", it says that this > key will produce an upper-case S when used with Shift, and "some > hebrew char" when used without Shift. If English Characters are not first class citizens of the script under consideration, why even have them in first place. Having a Uppercase ASCII but not having lowercase ASCII seems pretty useless to me. i.e., it gives me a feature that I don't need in the first place. Anyways, this bug is a good excuse to re-look at why such a decision was made and whether it is actually useful in practice. ps-1: I am using English and ASCII in a crude way. But it is clear what I mean. ps-2: Only reason uppercase ASCII may have been needed was to type out Roman Numerals while editing legendary texts. As for docstring, I need to sleep over it. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Nov 04 15:05:48 2013 Received: (at 15800) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Nov 2013 20:05:48 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34627 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VdQPE-0004gi-5a for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 04 Nov 2013 15:05:48 -0500 Received: from mtaout22.012.net.il ([80.179.55.172]:55264) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VdQPB-0004gT-Dn for 15800@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 04 Nov 2013 15:05:46 -0500 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout22.012.net.il by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0MVR00C008A3GC00@a-mtaout22.012.net.il> for 15800@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 04 Nov 2013 22:05:26 +0200 (IST) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0MVR00CYP950ER50@a-mtaout22.012.net.il>; Mon, 04 Nov 2013 22:05:24 +0200 (IST) Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2013 22:05:20 +0200 From: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#15800: 24.3.50; hebrew: describe-input-method, case sensitive or not In-reply-to: <87li14koa8.fsf@gmail.com> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il To: Jambunathan K Message-id: <83iow87x1b.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87fvrc43az.fsf@gmail.com> <83txfs877r.fsf@gnu.org> <87y554qgab.fsf@gmail.com> <83r4aw85kj.fsf@gnu.org> <87txfs9jqt.fsf@gmail.com> <83li1483j5.fsf@gnu.org> <87li14koa8.fsf@gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 15800 Cc: 15800@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) > From: Jambunathan K > Cc: 15800@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2013 00:05:59 +0530 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > The 'S' label does not mean "press upper-case S", it says that this > > key will produce an upper-case S when used with Shift, and "some > > hebrew char" when used without Shift. > > If English Characters are not first class citizens of the script under > consideration, why even have them in first place. Having a Uppercase > ASCII but not having lowercase ASCII seems pretty useless to me. i.e., > it gives me a feature that I don't need in the first place. Simply enough, this is how the Hebrew keyboard look like. The input method simply emulates that. > Anyways, this bug is a good excuse to re-look at why such a decision was > made and whether it is actually useful in practice. It is extremely useful to those who are used to this keyboard layout, because it allows them to type in a familiar environment. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Nov 04 23:00:12 2013 Received: (at 15800) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Nov 2013 04:00:12 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34897 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VdXoJ-0002Z5-B5 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 04 Nov 2013 23:00:11 -0500 Received: from mail-pd0-f169.google.com ([209.85.192.169]:38528) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VdXoD-0002Xy-FG for 15800@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 04 Nov 2013 23:00:06 -0500 Received: by mail-pd0-f169.google.com with SMTP id q10so7723651pdj.0 for <15800@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 04 Nov 2013 19:59:58 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:user-agent:date :message-id:mime-version:content-type; bh=SI9gkh6RKb/ya5PhKp6fWpwBX6XlgSl/BZ9fKN4OZX8=; b=sEWCPz5sHzsSqyyHAheNU0XN2xQac/5r2ZYjNCAjNdvh62/EU6vttnIgVsKEY0qlbt L6LEz14D2o6UTLyuwIs93uzCRZqOkhECkVPQr5a6Nc0NJ2yBoVj+qBL+C4ZwzhyNxgi6 FwxHrz0c4z51ChUKqIasLThoMqj8Xj+gK/XbJG2YelQTP2WnV67iX2gycmWv50N7Eyaz HArUujQChSDErQ2n2wXarChYj9ngEpHnbVkdnXKWvOjHvmuE2Qzjr70uS25CufAnPx0X umQojjsawocNlMu7SD8KCj0tEEXx17/9VZs0ZDD1RqdxRO16M9k4s5vxE7LicJShNyh9 qyJQ== X-Received: by 10.66.119.78 with SMTP id ks14mr5796153pab.140.1383623998830; Mon, 04 Nov 2013 19:59:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from debian-6.05 ([115.241.14.247]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id fk4sm36986999pab.23.2013.11.04.19.59.56 for (version=TLSv1.1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 04 Nov 2013 19:59:58 -0800 (PST) From: Jambunathan K To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#15800: 24.3.50; hebrew: describe-input-method, case sensitive or not In-Reply-To: <83li1483j5.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Mon, 04 Nov 2013 19:45:02 +0200") References: <87fvrc43az.fsf@gmail.com> <83txfs877r.fsf@gnu.org> <87y554qgab.fsf@gmail.com> <83r4aw85kj.fsf@gnu.org> <87txfs9jqt.fsf@gmail.com> <83li1483j5.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2013 09:29:11 +0530 Message-ID: <87k3gn5wj4.fsf@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 15800 Cc: 15800@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) Eli Zaretskii writes: > I wonder what can we say in the introductory text before the layout, > to make this point clear. Sorry, I won't make any textual suggestions. There is a one-to-one correspondence between the standard layout and the layout that is displayed. The problem is that the standard layout is displayed elsewhere. (Do you really want me to split the window and have standard layout on top buffer and hebrew layout on the bottom buffer and figure out what comes first, uppercase or lowercase.) Displaying standard layout and virtual layout together (preferably side-by-side will help.) ---------------------------------------------------------------- ALSO, A simple example saying 'typing s gets you this' and 'typing S gets you that will help'. ---------------------------------------------------------------- OR You can simply do away with displaying the keyboard(s). Instead, give a one-to-one map between the input char and the output char. For example, see quail-help with input method set to tamil-itrans. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Nov 04 23:03:24 2013 Received: (at 15800) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Nov 2013 04:03:24 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34901 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VdXrO-0002eR-NX for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 04 Nov 2013 23:03:23 -0500 Received: from mail-pd0-f169.google.com ([209.85.192.169]:49231) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VdXrM-0002eD-GW for 15800@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 04 Nov 2013 23:03:20 -0500 Received: by mail-pd0-f169.google.com with SMTP id q10so7728453pdj.0 for <15800@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 04 Nov 2013 20:03:14 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=UR1Q4YjVmY/ZBclYDgThboZ6ti2XCbosUq+hG4JKN6A=; b=N3+/4tggAp+AOzB2TSuis1CJazjv8RlRO6uMatILEo6vvSPZisJRE965SC0Tui4bB4 V1gGicNvvAt+mSKNQQpx1SFNdVkL05w5AqnYI8PiB4vIMCBdn+Jt67P/SmqIHBe/g+dX P8rsXyIxga6OERVgdlIczRw4r2iwlQpUXTkjBjppMpsjtGfZ8/jK0pjTVMHO6rtNs2xM NcbTXlw+PCj9l6/Ep6/yY72RA8YjjUvM4mi/bTjrRzS5WJWu7nCHbzS57bhNJqGqSEQk RpacUrX2mqSg/NPQ793CbmYqec5mkMvtJToFaubvh8r6kkXLVsdLrSCNio+SOSWAsm1s M5yA== X-Received: by 10.66.175.133 with SMTP id ca5mr21292540pac.40.1383624194678; Mon, 04 Nov 2013 20:03:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from debian-6.05 ([115.241.14.247]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id qf7sm37014520pac.14.2013.11.04.20.03.12 for (version=TLSv1.1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 04 Nov 2013 20:03:14 -0800 (PST) From: Jambunathan K To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#15800: 24.3.50; hebrew: describe-input-method, case sensitive or not References: <87fvrc43az.fsf@gmail.com> <83txfs877r.fsf@gnu.org> <87y554qgab.fsf@gmail.com> <83r4aw85kj.fsf@gnu.org> <87txfs9jqt.fsf@gmail.com> <83li1483j5.fsf@gnu.org> <87k3gn5wj4.fsf@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2013 09:32:32 +0530 In-Reply-To: <87k3gn5wj4.fsf@gmail.com> (Jambunathan K.'s message of "Tue, 05 Nov 2013 09:29:11 +0530") Message-ID: <87fvrb5wdj.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 15800 Cc: 15800@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) You can close the bug with or without a fix. Atleast the problem has been noted down. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Nov 05 08:00:26 2013 Received: (at 15800) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Nov 2013 13:00:26 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35175 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VdgF7-0000JL-Gx for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 05 Nov 2013 08:00:25 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:38889 ident=Debian-exim) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VdgF5-0000JC-E5 for 15800@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 05 Nov 2013 08:00:23 -0500 Received: from fl1-110-233-32-186.iba.mesh.ad.jp ([110.233.32.186]:62978 helo=shatin) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VdgF3-0005L4-Cb; Tue, 05 Nov 2013 08:00:21 -0500 Received: from handa by shatin with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VdgEx-0004WT-U6; Tue, 05 Nov 2013 22:00:15 +0900 From: Kenichi Handa To: Jambunathan K Subject: Re: bug#15800: 24.3.50; hebrew: describe-input-method, case sensitive or not In-Reply-To: <87txfs9jqt.fsf@gmail.com> (message from Jambunathan K on Mon, 04 Nov 2013 22:39:30 +0530) Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2013 22:00:15 +0900 Message-ID: <87k3gnngv4.fsf@gnu.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 15800 Cc: eliz@gnu.org, 15800@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) In article <87txfs9jqt.fsf@gmail.com>, Jambunathan K writes: > I don't want English at all. I don't want to mix English and Hebrew. I > just wnat a buffer with Hebrew and nothing else. I use capital letters A to Z frequently in writing Japanese text. They are for such organization names as AIST, FSF, IBM, NSA, etc., for such abbreviations as TV, SNS, DVD, GDP, etc., and perhaps for the other purposes. And, I think the resulting text is still just Japanese, not a mixture of English and Japanese. Although that is a situation in Japanese writing context, but is it different in Hebew writing context? --- Kenichi Handa handa@gnu.org From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Nov 05 11:39:07 2013 Received: (at 15800-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Nov 2013 16:39:07 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36013 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Vdjek-0005ij-Hs for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 05 Nov 2013 11:39:06 -0500 Received: from mtaout22.012.net.il ([80.179.55.172]:44645) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Vdjeh-0005iC-TD for 15800-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 05 Nov 2013 11:39:04 -0500 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout22.012.net.il by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0MVS00100U5DUW00@a-mtaout22.012.net.il> for 15800-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 05 Nov 2013 18:38:57 +0200 (IST) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0MVS001ESU8XEYC0@a-mtaout22.012.net.il>; Tue, 05 Nov 2013 18:38:57 +0200 (IST) Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2013 18:38:55 +0200 From: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#15800: 24.3.50; hebrew: describe-input-method, case sensitive or not In-reply-to: <87k3gn5wj4.fsf@gmail.com> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il To: Jambunathan K Message-id: <8338na9528.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87fvrc43az.fsf@gmail.com> <83txfs877r.fsf@gnu.org> <87y554qgab.fsf@gmail.com> <83r4aw85kj.fsf@gnu.org> <87txfs9jqt.fsf@gmail.com> <83li1483j5.fsf@gnu.org> <87k3gn5wj4.fsf@gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 15800-done Cc: 15800-done@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) > From: Jambunathan K > Cc: 15800@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2013 09:29:11 +0530 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > I wonder what can we say in the introductory text before the layout, > > to make this point clear. > > Sorry, I won't make any textual suggestions. > > There is a one-to-one correspondence between the standard layout and the > layout that is displayed. The problem is that the standard layout is > displayed elsewhere. (Do you really want me to split the window and > have standard layout on top buffer and hebrew layout on the bottom > buffer and figure out what comes first, uppercase or lowercase.) The "standard" word is a link, which leads you to the standard layout. > Displaying standard layout and virtual layout together (preferably > side-by-side will help.) Maybe. But it will take too much space, so it's not trivial. > ALSO, A simple example saying 'typing s gets you this' and 'typing S > gets you that will help'. I added some verbiage to that effect, I hope it clarifies things. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Nov 05 12:30:11 2013 Received: (at 15800) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Nov 2013 17:30:11 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36114 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VdkSA-0007Dn-PK for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 05 Nov 2013 12:30:11 -0500 Received: from mail-pd0-f178.google.com ([209.85.192.178]:38168) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VdkS7-00075x-7x for 15800@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 05 Nov 2013 12:30:07 -0500 Received: by mail-pd0-f178.google.com with SMTP id x10so8871467pdj.37 for <15800@debbugs.gnu.org>; Tue, 05 Nov 2013 09:30:00 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=ZvgnbaHkuzV/mPsvDnzfGIWY080wPgjWnbECuzoEkco=; b=yndXBLtU+//9060dBMhLREK2AsJvkK1dEf7b+r7eVlxq3viDA4Lome1l5BVo/qqGTz 6eopLM83mg/LdtVmy6udNVr8HAnvFWzKmVI/QdnoKpH29RZKUxzCHXg7MqveMCnlYCrX tkwjS1D/AfgeTf34KtHj2xjxfpiEVYePlp7XHlUic/1q0mm7kIpCiB4Wh8VCF8mgeDTy 5oijKmqPQoJLpLHqMwY4GRFCLpm+vKtoVe3vmBjqkv3srAohLMiUHC5r/f9IwlHuEj/v 8weGALAnAlgv+9HrQA6ETVj+T9gGb4W7M0rUHxlia+EmH6CGAzmSNdt4lbSbNIAKH0OV Sz+g== X-Received: by 10.66.246.229 with SMTP id xz5mr12509176pac.128.1383672600277; Tue, 05 Nov 2013 09:30:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from debian-6.05 ([101.63.211.175]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id ik1sm35810819pbc.9.2013.11.05.09.29.56 for (version=TLSv1.1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 05 Nov 2013 09:29:59 -0800 (PST) From: Jambunathan K To: 15800@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#15800: 24.3.50; hebrew: describe-input-method, case sensitive or not References: <87fvrc43az.fsf@gmail.com> <83txfs877r.fsf@gnu.org> <87y554qgab.fsf@gmail.com> <83r4aw85kj.fsf@gnu.org> <87txfs9jqt.fsf@gmail.com> <83li1483j5.fsf@gnu.org> <87k3gn5wj4.fsf@gmail.com> <8338na9528.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2013 22:59:41 +0530 In-Reply-To: <8338na9528.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Tue, 05 Nov 2013 18:38:55 +0200") Message-ID: <8738nabvui.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 15800 Cc: eliz@gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) Eli Zaretskii writes: > I added some verbiage to that effect, I hope it clarifies things. Looks good to me. From unknown Mon Jun 23 20:18:27 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2013 12:24:03 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator