From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Nov 02 08:59:23 2013 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Nov 2013 12:59:23 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59072 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VcanS-0006VJ-8f for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 02 Nov 2013 08:59:22 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:54292) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VcanP-0006V4-02 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 02 Nov 2013 08:59:19 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VcanI-0006uv-PY for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 02 Nov 2013 08:59:13 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM, T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:60720) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VcanI-0006ur-M2 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 02 Nov 2013 08:59:12 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:56014) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VcanH-0004ol-Po for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 02 Nov 2013 08:59:12 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VcanG-0006uY-OW for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 02 Nov 2013 08:59:11 -0400 Received: from mail-ie0-x22e.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4001:c03::22e]:54084) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VcanG-0006uP-JA for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 02 Nov 2013 08:59:10 -0400 Received: by mail-ie0-f174.google.com with SMTP id qd12so9374368ieb.33 for ; Sat, 02 Nov 2013 05:59:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=2V2pB7wo7+8Rdv2dzs0m3xY9Hn38ZGW7AUyH7EGPZ7Q=; b=etK5If8lsOoiLct6dLh2Wl8pwOlnKBLMC0RUEtbvfIMkYDnwhiKz3g010n3xfuXP7F XfShgxanI2sipKKufuQ4P03GRlI5QJXsRQBdgBqyUZv9Mqt6gNoqLM72i6u7PXBNgmgk S60BGKCLfMQ8wwa7v95gWXVJvYJ1h9V87M92OtqdFCU5gUw7+YUoEX0t/IYNAuO11JD8 aI8ZvK8ZrwhIO+jaTvYTJbBRa+i5ekEkqvzagedWIH9LGYJr5XbxvZTrnrKf51+JO3tx Yb1rmBymcgYfmaiRv5futHxG3nJbvdiwKS9/NzyLnqk558rQOTDYplbqshrDf1s8Wyh+ SOkQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.42.84.130 with SMTP id m2mr4753698icl.16.1383397149746; Sat, 02 Nov 2013 05:59:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.42.119.18 with HTTP; Sat, 2 Nov 2013 05:59:09 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2013 20:59:09 +0800 Message-ID: Subject: Including php-mode From: Xue Fuqiao To: bug-gnu-emacs Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) It was discussed before[fn:1], but I think this "bug" deserves a bug-number because PHP is very popular. Footnotes: [fn:1] http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2011-07/msg01192.html -- Best regards, Xue Fuqiao. http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/ From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Nov 02 16:53:54 2013 Received: (at 15790) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Nov 2013 20:53:54 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59985 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VciCf-0005y3-Nn for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 02 Nov 2013 16:53:53 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:35686 ident=Debian-exim) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VciCa-0005xs-O6 for 15790@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 02 Nov 2013 16:53:49 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VciCZ-0002JV-H0; Sat, 02 Nov 2013 16:53:47 -0400 From: Glenn Morris To: Xue Fuqiao Subject: Re: bug#15790: Including php-mode References: X-Spook: Aldergrove USDOJ colonel SEAL Team 6 ISEC Syria Echelon X-Ran: @[*K/e#x\j%;0Pd~qs=vM~k*^tL&U.n@h\US2RKFQmLYK=uzre-Lk<[C|*'LLlG"Ac"k/' X-Hue: magenta X-Debbugs-No-Ack: yes X-Attribution: GM Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2013 16:53:47 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Xue Fuqiao's message of "Sat, 2 Nov 2013 20:59:09 +0800") Message-ID: <134n7usexw.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -5.5 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 15790 Cc: 15790@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.5 (-----) I'm sure you know the drill: Contact the maintainer of php-mode and ask if they are willing. If so, get all necessary copyright assigments. Install in GNU ELPA. Done. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Nov 02 18:39:35 2013 Received: (at 15790) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Nov 2013 22:39:35 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60096 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Vcjqw-0001HQ-Sk for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 02 Nov 2013 18:39:35 -0400 Received: from mail-ie0-f178.google.com ([209.85.223.178]:58598) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Vcjqu-0001HB-1l for 15790@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 02 Nov 2013 18:39:32 -0400 Received: by mail-ie0-f178.google.com with SMTP id x13so9826996ief.23 for <15790@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sat, 02 Nov 2013 15:39:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=4Am41Z2EdCc1Eo3JKZFShhFbwZ6xbuYfo7Q7zZc0+20=; b=XBf3CzyPyjsKVe3K1BDjeEHWV3B4xL/fvmw4blRXbwmXE8ISFP7hECyehlJQcUTsFI i2qhL1JcU0gqYjyje4Z6fneAAHWRzqdE236eepyMcQP30cODP4mUEW/4eCWpoO5TlHIX SqoZErVQnCcxVv5FxZZLxiADi97U8TSLIqVJOSfWqarFqQTGLlWO9HUkWgUZ8lZBsomn gfUyDIdQpWyOdp5wTGhOgitYnLM2OetCzh8amr7uA9MAsVwlgLJJbxfzaHkOb4bd5eYd ZuiYmIjeGbDHaz25/9smL/M0etk0Dkli9jT048UEcx2P5N0hnyKNsTusulwrQlzUErri eDOA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.39.51 with SMTP id m19mr7035932igk.51.1383431966153; Sat, 02 Nov 2013 15:39:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.42.119.18 with HTTP; Sat, 2 Nov 2013 15:39:26 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <134n7usexw.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> References: <134n7usexw.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2013 06:39:26 +0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#15790: Including php-mode From: Xue Fuqiao To: Glenn Morris Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 15790 Cc: 15790@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) On Sun, Nov 3, 2013 at 4:53 AM, Glenn Morris wrote: > > I'm sure you know the drill: > > Contact the maintainer of php-mode and ask if they are willing. > If so, get all necessary copyright assigments. > Install in GNU ELPA. > Done. I found many `php-mode's: https://github.com/ejmr/php-mode http://php-mode.sourceforge.net/ http://mewde.blogspot.com/2008/10/new-update-for-emacs-php-mode.html The first one is in active development. Just before contacting them, I found this page: https://github.com/ejmr/php-mode/wiki/Will-GNU-Emacs-Ever-Include-php-mode%3F it says "php-mode will never be part of GNU Emacs"... -- Best regards, Xue Fuqiao. http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/ From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Nov 03 01:53:27 2013 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Nov 2013 06:53:27 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60480 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VcrYs-000512-G0 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 03 Nov 2013 01:53:26 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:36016) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VcrYo-00050n-Tz for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 03 Nov 2013 01:53:23 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VcrYd-00080d-Ne for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 03 Nov 2013 01:53:17 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:40019) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VcrYd-00080Z-LE for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 03 Nov 2013 01:53:11 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:37726) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VcrYY-00026M-6O for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 03 Nov 2013 01:53:11 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VcrYS-0007zp-Tt for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 03 Nov 2013 01:53:06 -0500 Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:55472) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VcrYS-0007zf-N9 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 03 Nov 2013 01:53:00 -0500 Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VcrYP-0007tc-Aq for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 03 Nov 2013 07:52:57 +0100 Received: from pd9eb1803.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([217.235.24.3]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 03 Nov 2013 07:52:57 +0100 Received: from Stromeko by pd9eb1803.dip0.t-ipconnect.de with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 03 Nov 2013 07:52:57 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org From: Achim Gratz Subject: Re: bug#15790: Including php-mode Date: Sun, 03 Nov 2013 07:52:47 +0100 Organization: Linux Private Site Lines: 21 Message-ID: <87k3gq0yf4.fsf@Rainer.invalid> References: <134n7usexw.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pd9eb1803.dip0.t-ipconnect.de User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:vCW3OjvSu1uYFZp+ImLP0zhcA/Y= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.1 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -4.1 (----) Xue Fuqiao writes: > The first one is in active development. Just before contacting them, I > found this page: > > https://github.com/ejmr/php-mode/wiki/Will-GNU-Emacs-Ever-Include-php-mode%3F > > it says "php-mode will never be part of GNU Emacs"... If you read on, it seems that if somebody relieved Eric of the burden of collecting the copyright assignments he'd reconsider. But looking at the list of contributors I'll agree with him that this would be a big task. Regards, Achim. -- +<[Q+ Matrix-12 WAVE#46+305 Neuron microQkb Andromeda XTk Blofeld]>+ Wavetables for the Waldorf Blofeld: http://Synth.Stromeko.net/Downloads.html#BlofeldUserWavetables From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Nov 03 03:02:13 2013 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Nov 2013 08:02:13 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60507 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VcsdQ-0006ef-BW for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 03 Nov 2013 03:02:12 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:42827) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VcsdN-0006eS-5J for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 03 Nov 2013 03:02:09 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VcsdB-0007Sb-5V for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 03 Nov 2013 03:02:03 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:34869) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VcsdB-0007SX-23 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 03 Nov 2013 03:01:57 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:44542) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Vcsd5-0008OG-4K for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 03 Nov 2013 03:01:56 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Vcscy-0007Rm-JA for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 03 Nov 2013 03:01:51 -0500 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de ([212.227.126.187]:63110) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Vcscy-0007Qq-AC for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 03 Nov 2013 03:01:44 -0500 Received: from purzel.sitgens (brln-4d0c1ebb.pool.mediaWays.net [77.12.30.187]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mreu2) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MGmMn-1VQ0aS1sxN-00DRk1; Sun, 03 Nov 2013 09:01:41 +0100 Message-ID: <52760389.20804@easy-emacs.de> Date: Sun, 03 Nov 2013 09:04:25 +0100 From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Andreas_R=F6hler?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#15790: Including php-mode References: <134n7usexw.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87k3gq0yf4.fsf@Rainer.invalid> In-Reply-To: <87k3gq0yf4.fsf@Rainer.invalid> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:4qj6CRbkTYyYe8DE+Zv08SB5MQjv+uOs7YHVIAlgJMi /RWe2UBnTeRjgZpan3HyFdWZ+ogNyGgFd7LEV1e0wUgcOZu6Z9 3IZ6q70D2nH0axwBXJy6J5Wuwr5Lbjv/TruCDgjQhRO6anu7uu il22nG1RVgGVLbnUXQ/k8m9OK0s8hiN8u71Ge3mkEmQnz2pWj4 D5vFA2qWzz1OWrLp6NRBG6n1Hcftp37aMkTfLPFcLlb4sMIIJ0 qFFxQNnusvypS4QWFbVYFuEuXS5lYX2V8jgJeEvOlDwzh9XeGM NOFhlPL4SrHUIREikESPbOX7HgQT0/HRYCS86x0CVokDYgliqM n7ZNSuL/8hDzkXV7Mh5I= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x-2.6.x [generic] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) Am 03.11.2013 07:52, schrieb Achim Gratz: > Xue Fuqiao writes: >> The first one is in active development. Just before contacting them, I >> found this page: >> >> https://github.com/ejmr/php-mode/wiki/Will-GNU-Emacs-Ever-Include-php-mode%3F >> >> it says "php-mode will never be part of GNU Emacs"... > > If you read on, it seems that if somebody relieved Eric of the burden of > collecting the copyright assignments he'd reconsider. But looking at > the list of contributors I'll agree with him that this would be a big > task. > > > Regards, > Achim. > Maybe with recent revealings, sending developers to the mercy of US-courts --which copyright assignment implies-- will be abandoned. It's unethical anyway and was bad example for openSolaris and bazaar. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Nov 03 09:25:15 2013 Received: (at 15790) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Nov 2013 14:25:15 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60667 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Vcyc6-0008Fj-Bd for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 03 Nov 2013 09:25:14 -0500 Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.182]:49870) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Vcyc3-0008FW-Rr for 15790@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 03 Nov 2013 09:25:12 -0500 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av4EABK/CFFFxIRr/2dsb2JhbABEvw4Xc4IeAQEEAVYjBQsLDiYSFBgNJIgeBsEtkQoDiGGcGYFegxU X-IPAS-Result: Av4EABK/CFFFxIRr/2dsb2JhbABEvw4Xc4IeAQEEAVYjBQsLDiYSFBgNJIgeBsEtkQoDiGGcGYFegxU X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.84,565,1355115600"; d="scan'208";a="36980780" Received: from 69-196-132-107.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO ceviche.home) ([69.196.132.107]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP/TLS/ADH-AES256-SHA; 03 Nov 2013 09:25:06 -0500 Received: by ceviche.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 09444660A2; Sun, 3 Nov 2013 09:25:06 -0500 (EST) From: Stefan Monnier To: Achim Gratz Subject: Re: bug#15790: Including php-mode Message-ID: References: <134n7usexw.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87k3gq0yf4.fsf@Rainer.invalid> Date: Sun, 03 Nov 2013 09:25:06 -0500 In-Reply-To: <87k3gq0yf4.fsf@Rainer.invalid> (Achim Gratz's message of "Sun, 03 Nov 2013 07:52:47 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 15790 Cc: 15790@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) > If you read on, it seems that if somebody relieved Eric of the burden of > collecting the copyright assignments he'd reconsider. But looking at > the list of contributors I'll agree with him that this would be a big > task. But those contributors fall into different categories: - those who contributed ideas but no code. - those who contributed a small amount of code. - those who contributed a fairly large amount of code, but most of it was copied from some package distributed with Emacs (e.g. from cc-mode). - those who contributed a non-trivial amount of code, but most of it has been superseded/replaced since. - those who have already signed a copyright assignment. - the others. Only "the others" need to sign an assignment. So the main problem I see is the lack of historical data: the Git repository only goes back to 2011, so it's going to be difficult to figure out who contributed what. Stefan From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Nov 03 17:15:53 2013 Received: (at 15790) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Nov 2013 22:15:53 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33182 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Vd5xY-0002jj-KU for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 03 Nov 2013 17:15:52 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:55956 ident=Debian-exim) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Vd5xW-0002jb-Mc for 15790@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 03 Nov 2013 17:15:51 -0500 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Vd5xN-0003rV-J3; Sun, 03 Nov 2013 17:15:41 -0500 Date: Sun, 03 Nov 2013 17:15:41 -0500 Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 From: Richard Stallman To: Andreas Röhler In-reply-to: <52760389.20804@easy-emacs.de> (message from Andreas Röhler on Sun, 03 Nov 2013 09:04:25 +0100) Subject: Re: bug#15790: Including php-mode References: <134n7usexw.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87k3gq0yf4.fsf@Rainer.invalid> <52760389.20804@easy-emacs.de> X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 15790 Cc: 15790@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: rms@gnu.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) [ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider [ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, [ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. We can make occasional exceptions to the requirement for a copyright assignment. Given a list of who wrote what parts of that file, we can think about it. People who contributed under 15 lines do not need to be mentioned in the list. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Nov 04 02:04:25 2013 Received: (at 15790) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Nov 2013 07:04:25 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33489 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VdED2-0000Cf-2F for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 04 Nov 2013 02:04:24 -0500 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de ([212.227.126.171]:60280) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VdECy-0000CM-MU for 15790@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 04 Nov 2013 02:04:21 -0500 Received: from purzel.sitgens (brln-4db90270.pool.mediaWays.net [77.185.2.112]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrbap0) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0Lu2Cs-1VkTPf1vOw-011J0Q; Mon, 04 Nov 2013 08:04:14 +0100 Message-ID: <52774791.4030200@easy-emacs.de> Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2013 08:06:57 +0100 From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Andreas_R=F6hler?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rms@gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#15790: Including php-mode References: <134n7usexw.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87k3gq0yf4.fsf@Rainer.invalid> <52760389.20804@easy-emacs.de> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:XMzVvDrgn7FElqJvg4YmqPc6mgLLVUx2xljcHc23Q74 ktzpzQNDoCJbjXNqVN7R7MhW51iOwe/jDiUwZZ2l8r0k5InOcH EhyTrZWu/3C+lX7IB8MwnmXrYS39G7U2W6jD/eaS2HE7mrHguB bUpwQgv1HID0OMYK4hwAl3vM9t11QswCPswU7l3tCK2iAY1nEg XeoUnB8bTXl3Sdf1Cd+yyWBYboXvZeKgrjkCxKG9kv3J1FieT9 avcX8LPGYpPjdTgYxmRYLBaEEkWEWYZO+1Va0g98xCVWMf7WsK EmsEBB5mDdE0Oz3tTEvG0VAXkhfjmFFXRsiN/l0hAuAMvNMWh8 Iwp/dyN62bMxS3xOFbwA= X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 15790 Cc: 15790@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) Am 03.11.2013 23:15, schrieb Richard Stallman: > [ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider > [ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, > [ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. > > We can make occasional exceptions to the requirement for a copyright > assignment. Given a list of who wrote what parts of that file, we can > think about it. People who contributed under 15 lines do not need to > be mentioned in the list. > Hi Richard, unfortunately it's not about that. It's about the legal stipulations people from all over the world are asked to sign: asked to abide to US-courts and the like. A sad thing indeed given all the remarkable work FSF does OTOH. The FSF's credit turns into the bad that way. Best regards, Andreas From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Nov 04 02:23:25 2013 Received: (at 15790) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Nov 2013 07:23:25 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33510 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VdEVQ-0000fX-GP for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 04 Nov 2013 02:23:25 -0500 Received: from mail-pa0-f44.google.com ([209.85.220.44]:58223) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VdEVO-0000fJ-Kz for 15790@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 04 Nov 2013 02:23:23 -0500 Received: by mail-pa0-f44.google.com with SMTP id fb1so6576303pad.17 for <15790@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 03 Nov 2013 23:23:16 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=eyyX7w/j92hWyoNqDzjn1/8uiMg7wa2MmirPi3M+uDc=; b=jT3J2vif9bP74kUoqztB1ozie5MDQZA1gxCnuQ12NwqsDoaZE4g9ee/w6ALzQ009qm M/1U9fRMYRkQ9v+dujuVvHArpfx2sjHx+jruSBsfh/Vhy2Rx5a+hirAb7m2+OSxeaJRA /uMdg6jeIKRgFhLMO0dSKxpo5WmQWz6PoRt86XcfpWT73o5DhKypEMap/+dJBgZnZQvS o3SVSeSRHS5JHYfiM4pm/T9PylYCVGi1VIT4TvHjwfSQD6Gn+e3LryFiTMMIzTIkdmHc D+GUkA7esqg7F/RZAGALd0gtN9ivIibl9nAj1nbkjNy/E5+2rsckD7pijHdXmgQpHGJc 056A== X-Received: by 10.66.132.69 with SMTP id os5mr16094431pab.114.1383549796628; Sun, 03 Nov 2013 23:23:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from debian-6.05 ([101.63.190.204]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id hw10sm26331422pbc.24.2013.11.03.23.23.13 for (version=TLSv1.1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 03 Nov 2013 23:23:15 -0800 (PST) From: Jambunathan K To: Andreas =?utf-8?Q?R=C3=B6hler?= Subject: Re: bug#15790: Including php-mode References: <134n7usexw.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87k3gq0yf4.fsf@Rainer.invalid> <52760389.20804@easy-emacs.de> <52774791.4030200@easy-emacs.de> Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2013 12:54:25 +0530 In-Reply-To: <52774791.4030200@easy-emacs.de> ("Andreas \=\?utf-8\?Q\?R\=C3\=B6h\?\= \=\?utf-8\?Q\?ler\=22's\?\= message of "Mon, 04 Nov 2013 08:06:57 +0100") Message-ID: <87mwlk8w9i.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 15790 Cc: rms@gnu.org, 15790@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) Andreas Andreas R=C3=B6hler writes: > It's about the legal stipulations people from all over the world are > asked to sign: asked to abide to US-courts and the like. You have been very consistent in your posts. Most of the regulars in the list are familiar with your arguments. You neither add more information nor weight to what you already say. Why don't your build your own Emacs and re-distribute it in a way that is compliant to license terms but take in patches without any assignments. If it becomes a category killer, I will abandon GNU Emacs and switch to you Andreas Emacs. I will be the first convert and it is a promise I make. ---------------------------------------------------------------- FSF will continue to insist on Assigment for Emacs. It is their prerogative - I know your English is not that good, but I don't find a better word to make my point - to do what they want with the product that they have built with resources that they control (donated or otherwise). ---------------------------------------------------------------- If someone - in this case FSF - has invested long time and resources to build something, it is only to be expected that they have strong support structure around it so that their intent and investment is served. Anyways, you should really stop making such posts any further. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Nov 04 10:31:13 2013 Received: (at 15790) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Nov 2013 15:31:13 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34291 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VdM7U-0006Fi-M6 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 04 Nov 2013 10:31:12 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:42944 ident=Debian-exim) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VdM7R-0006FZ-27 for 15790@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 04 Nov 2013 10:31:09 -0500 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VdM7P-0004jd-Lr; Mon, 04 Nov 2013 10:31:07 -0500 Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2013 10:31:07 -0500 Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 From: Richard Stallman To: Andreas Röhler In-reply-to: <52774791.4030200@easy-emacs.de> (message from Andreas Röhler on Mon, 04 Nov 2013 08:06:57 +0100) Subject: Re: bug#15790: Including php-mode References: <134n7usexw.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87k3gq0yf4.fsf@Rainer.invalid> <52760389.20804@easy-emacs.de> <52774791.4030200@easy-emacs.de> X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 15790 Cc: 15790@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: rms@gnu.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) [ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider [ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, [ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. > We can make occasional exceptions to the requirement for a copyright > assignment. Given a list of who wrote what parts of that file, we can > think about it. People who contributed under 15 lines do not need to > be mentioned in the list. unfortunately it's not about that. With all due respect, yes it is. I have a suspicion you've misunderstood. It's about the legal stipulations people from all over the world are asked to sign: asked to abide to US-courts and the like. That is part of the copyright assignments. Thus, it really IS about the copyright assignments. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Sep 24 19:51:29 2021 Received: (at 15790-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Sep 2021 23:51:30 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59539 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mTuyX-0002kc-FS for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 24 Sep 2021 19:51:29 -0400 Received: from mail-pj1-f49.google.com ([209.85.216.49]:53171) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mTuyP-0002jz-V5 for 15790-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 24 Sep 2021 19:51:22 -0400 Received: by mail-pj1-f49.google.com with SMTP id v19so8079911pjh.2 for <15790-done@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 24 Sep 2021 16:51:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:user-agent :mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=ZeSFEGC2dZOmeaKwpJe4VNU6VcACWFw8sjR4HwPZHRA=; b=wR95HKgH1hykZc0mI4KVIQsgzoDMEQXT7eFaPu6ltpCEJ1XNntGRaXtBoWImLnwfp4 jW3eR16RlxgChjnafqrSr2uyPKK5R0J9VmoZSOQRygKiUgmCIXIafWokBvxNAQPbzyUL N9yWHqMZrhE8QL4ZvfEcUBLPBdFttULZhH3OdRjr4Q8u2NXnT32gunNFAJ94qudv7U8J f2QbaQdEq2GJ9zQYtWT7MxJWOMCKhI0fo49POYuWXEmiTK+lGGGzVucXHwqwm3Rs380i uFv3/HRs7qc2W6BrFafL7M/nqs5MHha1AyLh2NBEeAqGf4sFmjK4FPI/LhewR+Vl4fFK Q31g== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM53006z3JHMFwNdl7wgP9e0lNi01xdF06RbfMEeKVmHfxDnGiekWA 9EVIsR6IUPPlBlFb1WiV8gdPiBN3QHbqwxyHK6g= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxI1Ozf8/yGOBxycH4yxqITfrGQ9XAtAY7lgAk5ijuGAiG+6oUddMJVowwIf9W4gBNTFEqjL+KPfXJ3y3fehXQ= X-Received: by 2002:a17:902:f254:b0:13e:8b3:f6d4 with SMTP id j20-20020a170902f25400b0013e08b3f6d4mr11213plc.22.1632527476213; Fri, 24 Sep 2021 16:51:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Fri, 24 Sep 2021 16:51:15 -0700 From: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: (Xue Fuqiao's message of "Sat, 2 Nov 2013 20:59:09 +0800") References: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2021 16:51:15 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#15790: Including php-mode To: Xue Fuqiao Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 15790-done Cc: monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, 15790-done@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) Xue Fuqiao writes: > It was discussed before[fn:1], but I think this "bug" deserves a > bug-number because PHP is very popular. > > Footnotes: > > [fn:1] http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2011-07/msg01192.html php-mode is now distributed on NonGNU ELPA: http://elpa.nongnu.org/nongnu/php-mode.html This package archive is enabled by default in Emacs 28.1. Given that not much has happened here in 8 years, I think it's safe to say that this is as good as it's going to get. I'm therefore closing this bug report. From unknown Sat Aug 09 18:41:39 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2021 11:24:11 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator