From unknown Sat Jun 21 03:27:01 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#15687 <15687@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#15687 <15687@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: Disabling custom theme does not reset vars Reply-To: bug#15687 <15687@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2025 10:27:01 +0000 retitle 15687 Disabling custom theme does not reset vars reassign 15687 emacs submitter 15687 Drew Adams severity 15687 normal tag 15687 fixed thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Oct 22 16:56:00 2013 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Oct 2013 20:56:00 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35987 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VYizf-0001uq-I3 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 22 Oct 2013 16:56:00 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:37277) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VYizc-0001uZ-0K for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 22 Oct 2013 16:55:57 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VYizM-0006CG-Eu for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 22 Oct 2013 16:55:50 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:43421) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VYizM-0006CB-Al for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 22 Oct 2013 16:55:40 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:38937) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VYizD-00008F-Jb for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Oct 2013 16:55:40 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VYiz4-0005v3-4h for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Oct 2013 16:55:31 -0400 Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:19489) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VYiz3-0005th-T7 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Oct 2013 16:55:22 -0400 Received: from acsinet21.oracle.com (acsinet21.oracle.com [141.146.126.237]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.1/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.1) with ESMTP id r9MKtKC7022640 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Tue, 22 Oct 2013 20:55:21 GMT Received: from aserz7022.oracle.com (aserz7022.oracle.com [141.146.126.231]) by acsinet21.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r9MKtJDM006094 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 22 Oct 2013 20:55:20 GMT Received: from abhmt107.oracle.com (abhmt107.oracle.com [141.146.116.59]) by aserz7022.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r9MKtJQf018536 for ; Tue, 22 Oct 2013 20:55:19 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 13:55:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 24.3.50; custom themes: disabling does not restore initial configuration X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.8 (707110) [OL 12.0.6680.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: acsinet21.oracle.com [141.146.126.237] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x-2.6.x [generic] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) Dunno whether this is a bug or a missing feature (enhancement request). Custom themes were presumably inspired from the color themes of library `color-theme.el'. However, I do not see, for custom themes, what is an important feature of `color-theme.el': the ability to take a snapshot of the current settings (independent of how they were set, whether via themes or not) as something that can function as a (pseudo)theme. Here is a use case. You tell me whether custom themes offer something in this regard. You start out with Emacs in your preferred customized state, a result perhaps of multiple option settings, frame parameter settings, face settings, etc. For example, you have used `default-frame-alist' and customized some particular faces. No custom theme (except `user') has been applied. You enable a custom theme. Then you disable it. The settings remain those of the "disabled" custom theme. Your initial state is not restored. It seems that disabling a theme is only relative to other custom themes. Disabling does not undo the effect upon Emacs of enabling (in which case it is a misnomer). Enabling not only makes a theme current but also changes variable values, face settings, frame parameters etc., but none of that is part of disabling, except in so far as it affects or is affected by other custom themes. The ex-theme state of Emacs is ignored wrt both enabling and disabling. There is no record of anything to restore. A more precise use case: As above, but you cycle among a set of custom themes. You want C-g during the cycling to cancel (i.e., undo) all effects, restoring the initial state because you decided not to use any theme. With `color-theme.el' this was trivial to do: just take a (pseudotheme) snapshot before cycling, and then restore the snapshot upon C-g. AFAICT, there is no equivalent of such a snapshot with custom themes, and it's not clear how to create one. But please prove me wrong. In particular, all of the custom-theme code requires a theme argument, which must be defined fully, including actually having been written to a theme file. Hardly something that facilitates dynamic state recording and reverting. Please let me know if I'm missing something. If not already available, please provide such a useful feature: the ability to record settings as a (pseudo)theme that is not full-blown, e.g., is not associated with a theme file etc. If necessary, it would be OK if the function to create such a snapshot pseudotheme specified the particular settings to record. Another possibility would be to record not the current dynamic Emacs state but the user's initial state as defined by the `custom-set-variables' and `custom-set-faces' sexps in `(or custom-file user-init-file)'. In GNU Emacs 24.3.50.1 (i686-pc-mingw32) of 2013-10-19 on LEG570 Bzr revision: 114715 rgm@gnu.org-20131019023520-s8mwtib7xcx9e05w Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 6.1.7601 Configured using: `configure --enable-checking 'CFLAGS=3D-O0 -g3' CPPFLAGS=3D-DGLYPH_DEBUG= =3D1' From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Nov 25 21:15:06 2013 Received: (at 15687) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Nov 2013 02:15:06 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45220 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Vl8B7-0001kW-8A for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 21:15:05 -0500 Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.181]:20360) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Vl8B4-0001ji-Jb; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 21:15:03 -0500 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av8EABK/CFFFxIQK/2dsb2JhbABEuzWDWRdzgh4BAQQBViMFCws0EhQYDSSIHgbBLZEKA4hhnBmBXoMV X-IPAS-Result: Av8EABK/CFFFxIQK/2dsb2JhbABEuzWDWRdzgh4BAQQBViMFCws0EhQYDSSIHgbBLZEKA4hhnBmBXoMV X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.84,565,1355115600"; d="scan'208";a="40393812" Received: from 69-196-132-10.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([69.196.132.10]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP/TLS/ADH-AES256-SHA; 25 Nov 2013 21:14:56 -0500 Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 6689A60A40; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 21:14:56 -0500 (EST) From: Stefan Monnier To: Drew Adams Subject: Re: bug#15687: 24.3.50; custom themes: disabling does not restore initial configuration Message-ID: References: Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2013 21:14:56 -0500 In-Reply-To: (Drew Adams's message of "Tue, 22 Oct 2013 13:55:03 -0700 (PDT)") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 15687 Cc: 15687@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) retitle 15687 Disabling custom theme does not reset vars thanks > You enable a custom theme. Then you disable it. The settings remain > those of the "disabled" custom theme. Your initial state is not > restored. I tried emacs -Q M-x custom-themes RET RET on the first theme to enable it RET again to disable it and the settings were apparently properly reset. Do you have a recipe that triggers the problem? Stefan From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Nov 26 09:05:35 2013 Received: (at 15687) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Nov 2013 14:05:35 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45566 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VlJGg-0005WY-DQ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 09:05:35 -0500 Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:32633) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VlJGd-0005WK-PL for 15687@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 09:05:32 -0500 Received: from acsinet22.oracle.com (acsinet22.oracle.com [141.146.126.238]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.1/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.1) with ESMTP id rAQE5N2c007183 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 26 Nov 2013 14:05:25 GMT Received: from userz7021.oracle.com (userz7021.oracle.com [156.151.31.85]) by acsinet22.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id rAQE5M9A002947 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 26 Nov 2013 14:05:22 GMT Received: from abhmp0012.oracle.com (abhmp0012.oracle.com [141.146.116.18]) by userz7021.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id rAQE5Lst022332; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 14:05:21 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 06:05:21 -0800 (PST) From: Drew Adams To: Stefan Monnier Subject: RE: bug#15687: 24.3.50; custom themes: disabling does not restore initial configuration References: In-Reply-To: X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.8 (707110) [OL 12.0.6680.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: acsinet22.oracle.com [141.146.126.238] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 15687 Cc: 15687@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) > > You enable a custom theme. Then you disable it. The settings remain > > those of the "disabled" custom theme. Your initial state is not > > restored. >=20 > I tried >=20 > emacs -Q > M-x custom-themes RET > RET on the first theme to enable it > RET again to disable it >=20 > and the settings were apparently properly reset. Do you have a recipe > that triggers the problem? You skipped the first part: You start out with Emacs in your preferred customized state, a result perhaps of multiple option settings, frame parameter settings, face settings, etc. For example, you have used `default-frame-alist' and customized some particular faces. No custom theme (except `user') has been applied. A demonstration that disabling a custom-theme can put you back to the emacs -Q state is not too surprising. What's missing is the ability to put you back to anything close to the pre-theme state (i.e., as much as possible), whatever that customized state might have been. Of course, that state is not *automatically* recorded anywhere. What's really missing, AFAICT, is the ability to take a snapshot of the state, which can then be restored at any time. As the bug says: AFAICT, there is no equivalent of such a snapshot with custom themes, and it's not clear how to create one. But please prove me wrong. In particular, all of the custom-theme code requires a theme argument, which must be defined fully, including actually having been written to a theme file. Hardly something that facilitates dynamic state recording and reverting. See the full description of the bug. And see the treatment in color-theme.el (not my library, BTW). There, you can take such a snapshot at any time. And it serves, in effect, more or less as a theme (a pseudo theme). As the bug report says: However, I do not see, for custom themes, what is an important feature of `color-theme.el': the ability to take a snapshot of the current settings (independent of how they were set, whether via themes or not) as something that can function as a (pseudo)theme. Compare these commands, which cycle among themes: 1. In doremi-cmd.el: `doremi-custom-themes+' vs `doremi-color-themes+'. 2. In icicles-cmd1.el: `icicle-custom-theme' vs `icicle-color-theme'. >From the doc string of `icicle-color-theme', this part about undoing: If you use `C-g' during this command, the previous color-theme snapshot is used to restore that color theme. Remember too that you can use the pseudo-theme [Reset] to restore the last theme: `M-x color-theme-select [Reset]'. By default, each time you invoke this command, a snapshot is first made of the current color theme (or current colors, if no theme is used). Thus, by default, if you use `C-g', the colors restored are those used before you changed themes using this command. However, if you use a prefix arg, then this command takes no new snapshot, unless no snapshot has ever been taken during this Emacs session. This can be useful when experimenting, to restore not to the state just before this command invocation, but to some previous snapshot. That part about the pseudo-them [Reset] is straight color-theme.el. It has nothing to do with Icicles. See color-theme.el for info about such a snapshot. >From the doc string of `icicle-custom-theme', by contrast: You can use `C-g' to quit and cancel changes by the command. Note, however, that some things might not be restored. `C-g' can only disable any themes that you applied. It cannot restore other customizations that enabling a theme might have overruled. This is a limitation of Emacs custom themes: you can disable them, but you cannot restore non-theme settings in effect before enabling a theme. Color themes (and command `icicle-color-theme') do not have this limitation. >From the doc string of `doremi-color-themes+': You can use `C-g' to quit and cancel changes made so far. Alternatively, after using `doremi-color-themes+' you can use `color-theme-select' and choose pseudo-theme `[Reset]' - that does the same thing. Note that in either case, some things might not be restored. >From the doc string of `doremi-custom-themes+': You can use `C-g' to quit and cancel changes made so far. Note, however, that some things might not be restored. `C-g' can only disable any themes that you applied. It cannot restore other customizations that enabling a theme might have overruled. ---- An additional problem with custom themes, compared with color themes, is that when multiple frames are present things become extremely slow (maybe exponentially wrt the number of frames? dunno). This alone makes cycling among custom themes almost unusable when there are multiple frames. And this is the case even when, as is done for these cycling commands, accumulation of custom themes is turned off. If, on the other hand, accumulation is allowed (the normal case for custom themes), then things really grind to a halt. A guess would be that this might be because custom themes record more information than color themes. But why this would make such a difference, and why it might be related to the number of frames in such a marked way, I have no idea. If you want to see the difference, just try, say, `doremi-custom-themes+' compared with `doremi-color-themes+', with several frames open. You need only the files doremi.el and doremi-cmd.el to try that. Both are on MELPA and on Emacs Wiki (as are the Icicles files). From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Nov 26 09:08:25 2013 Received: (at 15687) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Nov 2013 14:08:25 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45571 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VlJJR-0005bU-Cj for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 09:08:25 -0500 Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:28983) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VlJJP-0005bH-TW for 15687@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 09:08:24 -0500 Received: from acsinet22.oracle.com (acsinet22.oracle.com [141.146.126.238]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.1/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.1) with ESMTP id rAQE8HtY005019 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 26 Nov 2013 14:08:18 GMT Received: from aserz7022.oracle.com (aserz7022.oracle.com [141.146.126.231]) by acsinet22.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id rAQE8HZp013424 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 26 Nov 2013 14:08:17 GMT Received: from abhmp0012.oracle.com (abhmp0012.oracle.com [141.146.116.18]) by aserz7022.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id rAQE8HG1013408; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 14:08:17 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 06:08:16 -0800 (PST) From: Drew Adams To: Stefan Monnier Subject: RE: bug#15687: 24.3.50; custom themes: disabling does not restore initial configuration References: In-Reply-To: X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.8 (707110) [OL 12.0.6680.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: acsinet22.oracle.com [141.146.126.238] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 15687 Cc: 15687@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) > retitle 15687 Disabling custom theme does not reset vars > thanks Oh, and this should really not have been so retitled. Please see the bug report. This is about restoring the configuration before switching to a theme. It is not just about variables. (Probably "initial configuration" in the original title is misleading. I meant initial in the sense of before applying a theme, not in the sense of initial Emacs state: emacs -Q.) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Nov 26 13:48:05 2013 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Nov 2013 18:48:05 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46295 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VlNg4-0005TN-LP for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 13:48:04 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:50306) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VlNg3-0005St-1M for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 13:48:03 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VlNft-0004sq-34 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 13:47:57 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:57263) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VlNfs-0004se-WE for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 13:47:53 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:51930) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VlNfo-0001ri-Fo for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 13:47:52 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VlNfg-0004pa-K5 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 13:47:48 -0500 Received: from mx1.riseup.net ([198.252.153.129]:51228) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VlNfg-0004pK-Eb for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 13:47:40 -0500 Received: from fruiteater.riseup.net (fruiteater-pn.riseup.net [10.0.1.74]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Gandi Standard SSL CA" (not verified)) by mx1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 37E8F4AF73; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 10:47:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (Authenticated sender: wgreenhouse@fruiteater.riseup.net) with ESMTPSA id C480B7EC From: "William G. Gardella" To: Drew Adams Subject: Re: 24.3.50; custom themes: disabling does not restore initial configuration References: Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 18:47:32 +0000 In-Reply-To: (Drew Adams's message of "Tue, 22 Oct 2013 13:55:03 -0700 (PDT)") Message-ID: <87d2ln9f0b.fsf@motoko.kusanagi> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.8 at mx1 X-Virus-Status: Clean X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit Cc: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) Drew Adams writes: > AFAICT, there is no equivalent of such a snapshot with custom themes, > and it's not clear how to create one. But please prove me wrong. Sure. Follow this recipe: 1) Execute "emacs -Q". 2) Customize some face. I did M-x customize-face font-lock-comment-face, changing the foreground color to magenta and clicking "Apply." As expected, the initial comment in the *scratch* buffer is now magenta. But the choice of face doesn't really matter, this works with any face I tried (font-lock-builtin-face, font-lock-keyword-face, font-lock-function-name-face, etc.). 3) M-x customize-themes. Choose any face you like, for example `manoj-dark'. Look at the *scratch* buffer. 4) Choose another theme via M-x customize-themes. Look at the *scratch* buffer. 5) Uncheck the theme checked in M-x customize-themes. Look at the *scratch* buffer. Customizeations made outside Custom themes using Customize are entirely reversible, to the pre-themed state. I think the confusion here--and the bug, if any--is one of user interface and user expectations. `load-theme', `enable-theme', `disable-theme' et al. normally operate on one theme at a time, without reverting all themes. This is perhaps not such a sane default. However, `customize-themes' disables any other active themes unless the > [ ] Select more than one theme at a time checkbox is checked. Perhaps enable-theme, disable-theme etc. should adhere to the same default, leaving at most one theme (or the pre-theme settings) enabled at a time. -- Best, WGG From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Nov 26 14:02:33 2013 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Nov 2013 19:02:33 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46322 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VlNu4-0005qr-RS for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 14:02:33 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:52907) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VlNu2-0005qf-Kj for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 14:02:31 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VlNtn-0000jg-76 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 14:02:25 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:52819) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VlNtn-0000jc-40 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 14:02:15 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:54505) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VlNte-0006DV-Hp for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 14:02:15 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VlNtW-0000dq-08 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 14:02:06 -0500 Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:27968) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VlNtV-0000dl-P2 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 14:01:57 -0500 Received: from ucsinet21.oracle.com (ucsinet21.oracle.com [156.151.31.93]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.1/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.1) with ESMTP id rAQJ1ti4026485 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 26 Nov 2013 19:01:56 GMT Received: from aserz7022.oracle.com (aserz7022.oracle.com [141.146.126.231]) by ucsinet21.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id rAQJ1s5j017403 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 26 Nov 2013 19:01:55 GMT Received: from abhmp0012.oracle.com (abhmp0012.oracle.com [141.146.116.18]) by aserz7022.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id rAQJ1sUr008856; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 19:01:54 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 11:01:53 -0800 (PST) From: Drew Adams To: "William G. Gardella" Subject: RE: 24.3.50; custom themes: disabling does not restore initial configuration References: <87d2ln9f0b.fsf@motoko.kusanagi> In-Reply-To: <87d2ln9f0b.fsf@motoko.kusanagi> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.8 (707110) [OL 12.0.6680.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: ucsinet21.oracle.com [156.151.31.93] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x-2.6.x [generic] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit Cc: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) Please read the bug report. It includes the case where all themes that have ever been applied have since been disabled. That does not restore all other customizations that were in effect before theming. That's all. If you need a recipe, emacs -Q, load oneonone.el, then doremi.el and doremi-cmd.el. Then cycle among themes, using `doremi-custom-themes+'. Use `C-g' to cancel. The initial state is not restored. Nothing close to it. Not for any existing frames. Sure, if you then create a new frame, things will look generally OK in that frame. But the state of any existing frames has been altered and not restored. Disabling a theme does not undo its effect wrt Emacs in general. It simply disables one theme wrt other themes (including wrt all other themes). In addition, I see no way to take a snapshot of the current Emacs state as a theme, or even as a pseudo theme, to which one can revert. This is something that is trivial with color themes - just call `color-theme-make-snapshot'. Try the same thing, but with command `doremi-color-themes+'. No problem. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Nov 26 14:45:23 2013 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Nov 2013 19:45:23 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46385 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VlOZW-0006zg-Cz for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 14:45:22 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:33072) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VlOZU-0006zT-Go for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 14:45:21 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VlOZK-00058E-9g for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 14:45:15 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:47119) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VlOZK-00058A-7Q for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 14:45:10 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:34784) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VlOZF-0001pk-Of for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 14:45:10 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VlOZB-0004rB-9O for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 14:45:05 -0500 Received: from mx1.riseup.net ([198.252.153.129]:38416) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VlOZB-0004qx-0v for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 14:45:01 -0500 Received: from fulvetta.riseup.net (fulvetta-pn.riseup.net [10.0.1.75]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Gandi Standard SSL CA" (not verified)) by mx1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8821D4B17B; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 11:44:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (Authenticated sender: wgreenhouse@fulvetta.riseup.net) with ESMTPSA id EE35C180 From: wgreenhouse@riseup.net (W. Greenhouse) To: Drew Adams Subject: Re: 24.3.50; custom themes: disabling does not restore initial configuration References: <87d2ln9f0b.fsf@motoko.kusanagi> Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 19:44:48 +0000 In-Reply-To: (Drew Adams's message of "Tue, 26 Nov 2013 11:01:53 -0800 (PST)") Message-ID: <8761rf9ccv.fsf@motoko.kusanagi> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.8 at mx1 X-Virus-Status: Clean X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.3 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit Cc: "William G. Gardella" , bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -4.3 (----) Drew Adams writes: > Please read the bug report. It includes the case where all themes > that have ever been applied have since been disabled. That does not > restore all other customizations that were in effect before theming. > That's all. I read the bug report in detail. Despite its length, it failed to provide a minimal recipe for reproducing the bug. Without it, I essentially had to read your mind. What I have been able to discover on my own is that Custom themes do not prevent you from easily and completely restoring faces altered with M-x customize. I was able to do so in my example. > If you need a recipe, emacs -Q, load oneonone.el, then doremi.el and > doremi-cmd.el. Then cycle among themes, using `doremi-custom-themes+'. > Use `C-g' to cancel. The initial state is not restored. Nothing > close to it. Not for any existing frames. Since I was able to revert in the same frame completely without these libraries, I think the problem lies not in the implementation of Custom themes but rather the implementation for changing them in these libraries. To achieve a clean slate, `doremi-custom-themes' should do exactly what `customize-themes' does: if `custom-theme-allow-multiple-selections' is nil, `disable-theme' should be called for every element in `custom-enabled-themes' before enabling a new one. > Sure, if you then create a new frame, things will look generally OK > in that frame. But the state of any existing frames has been altered > and not restored. Disabling a theme does not undo its effect wrt > Emacs in general. It simply disables one theme wrt other themes > (including wrt all other themes). Disabling a theme undoes its effect with respect to any setting made through M-x customize. > In addition, I see no way to take a snapshot of the current Emacs > state as a theme, or even as a pseudo theme, to which one can revert. (customize-create-theme) is roughly equivalent to `color-theme-make-snapshot'. It fills out a Custom theme using Emacs's current state as a basis. > This is something that is trivial with color themes - just call > `color-theme-make-snapshot'. > > Try the same thing, but with command `doremi-color-themes+'. > No problem. As I alluded to in the last post, I think the problem lies in UI and user expectations rather than underlying implementation. I was never able to get color-theme.el themes to undo themselves cleanly, because I hadn't discovered `color-theme-make-snapshot' or your functions taking advantage of it. As far as I can determine from testing from emacs -Q, Custom themes adhere to what (info "(emacs) Custom Themes") says they adhere to: > Any customizations that you make through the customization buffer > take precedence over theme settings. This lets you easily override > individual theme settings that you disagree with. If settings from two > different themes overlap, the theme occurring earlier in > `custom-enabled-themes' takes precedence. In the customization buffer, > if a setting has been changed from its default by a Custom theme, its > `State' display shows `THEMED' instead of `STANDARD'. Stuff set through Customize (whether before or after loading Custom themes) survives enabling a theme, and those customizations will still be there when any/all themes are disabled. And in my own setup, which is fairly complicated (an Emacs that's also subject to ~/.Xresources theming as well as theming by elisp), frames do "return to normal" when all themes are disabled. I don't think Custom themes guarantee anything for settings made otherwise than through M-x customize; for that case you could use (customize-create-theme) similarly to how you'd use (color-theme-make-snapshot) to make a point to reverse to. -- Best, WGG From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Nov 26 15:16:37 2013 Received: (at 15687) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Nov 2013 20:16:37 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46436 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VlP3k-0007p4-ML for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 15:16:37 -0500 Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.181]:59625) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VlP3i-0007oo-CD for 15687@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 15:16:35 -0500 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av8EABK/CFHO+KEh/2dsb2JhbABEuzWDWRdzgh4BAQQBViMQCzQSFBgNJIgeBrEfkA6NGYNxA4hhnBmBXoMVgUg X-IPAS-Result: Av8EABK/CFHO+KEh/2dsb2JhbABEuzWDWRdzgh4BAQQBViMQCzQSFBgNJIgeBrEfkA6NGYNxA4hhnBmBXoMVgUg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.84,565,1355115600"; d="scan'208";a="40460692" Received: from 206-248-161-33.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([206.248.161.33]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP/TLS/ADH-AES256-SHA; 26 Nov 2013 15:16:28 -0500 Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 33F3F60D32; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 15:16:28 -0500 (EST) From: Stefan Monnier To: Drew Adams Subject: Re: bug#15687: 24.3.50; custom themes: disabling does not restore initial configuration Message-ID: References: Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 15:16:28 -0500 In-Reply-To: (Drew Adams's message of "Tue, 26 Nov 2013 06:05:21 -0800 (PST)") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 15687 Cc: 15687@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) >> and the settings were apparently properly reset. Do you have a recipe >> that triggers the problem? > You skipped the first part: Maybe I did, but I have a limited amount of time. So if you don't want to give me an actual detailed recipe I can't help you. Stefan From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Nov 26 15:44:40 2013 Received: (at 15687) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Nov 2013 20:44:40 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46460 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VlPUt-000066-RV for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 15:44:40 -0500 Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:46455) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VlPUr-00005s-73 for 15687@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 15:44:37 -0500 Received: from acsinet22.oracle.com (acsinet22.oracle.com [141.146.126.238]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.1/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.1) with ESMTP id rAQKiUJh018325 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 26 Nov 2013 20:44:30 GMT Received: from aserz7021.oracle.com (aserz7021.oracle.com [141.146.126.230]) by acsinet22.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id rAQKiTTI025875 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 26 Nov 2013 20:44:29 GMT Received: from abhmp0012.oracle.com (abhmp0012.oracle.com [141.146.116.18]) by aserz7021.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id rAQKiTHW023815; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 20:44:29 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <631ec576-1143-4ee0-a399-39a3bc5bc7da@default> Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 12:44:28 -0800 (PST) From: Drew Adams To: Stefan Monnier Subject: RE: bug#15687: 24.3.50; custom themes: disabling does not restore initial configuration References: In-Reply-To: X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.8 (707110) [OL 12.0.6680.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: acsinet22.oracle.com [141.146.126.238] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 15687 Cc: 15687@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) > >> and the settings were apparently properly reset. Do you have a recipe > >> that triggers the problem? > > You skipped the first part: >=20 > Maybe I did, but I have a limited amount of time. So if you don't want > to give me an actual detailed recipe I can't help you. I gave a recipe. I'll repeat it. emacs -Q, load oneonone.el, then doremi.el and doremi-cmd.el. Then cycle among themes, using `doremi-custom-themes+'. Use `C-g' to cancel. The initial state is not restored. Nothing close to it. Not for any existing frames. And I pointed clearly to a performance problem. Which you can also easily see using that recipe. And if you want to see what happens to performance if you allow theme accumulation, just set option `doremi-custom-themes-accumulate-flag' to t. Bonjour les degats. And you have it wrong. You are not helping me. I am helping you (Emacs). Trying to, anyway. Same reason I provide such theme-cycling commands - to help those who actually use themes (color or custom). I, myself, do not use them. But I still try to get them to work well. For others. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Nov 26 16:17:03 2013 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Nov 2013 21:17:03 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46487 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VlQ0E-0000wG-RF for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 16:17:03 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:57540) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VlQ0D-0000vk-29 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 16:17:02 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VlPzx-0000vq-O6 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 16:16:55 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:44530) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VlPzx-0000vj-KH for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 16:16:45 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:58948) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VlPzo-0001y9-Sp for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 16:16:45 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VlPzg-0000oe-9v for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 16:16:36 -0500 Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:38833) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VlPzg-0000oW-4E for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 16:16:28 -0500 Received: from acsinet21.oracle.com (acsinet21.oracle.com [141.146.126.237]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.1/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.1) with ESMTP id rAQLGPK6021137 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 26 Nov 2013 21:16:25 GMT Received: from userz7021.oracle.com (userz7021.oracle.com [156.151.31.85]) by acsinet21.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id rAQLGMMw000842 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 26 Nov 2013 21:16:24 GMT Received: from abhmp0012.oracle.com (abhmp0012.oracle.com [141.146.116.18]) by userz7021.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id rAQLGMIY026934; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 21:16:22 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <6c0691be-bed5-4e0a-bc90-87a20ccef9c1@default> Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 13:16:21 -0800 (PST) From: Drew Adams To: wgreenhouse@riseup.net Subject: RE: 24.3.50; custom themes: disabling does not restore initial configuration References: <87d2ln9f0b.fsf@motoko.kusanagi> <8761rf9ccv.fsf@motoko.kusanagi> In-Reply-To: <8761rf9ccv.fsf@motoko.kusanagi> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.8 (707110) [OL 12.0.6680.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: acsinet21.oracle.com [141.146.126.237] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x-2.6.x [generic] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit Cc: "William G. Gardella" , bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) > To achieve a clean slate, `doremi-custom-themes[+]' should do > exactly what `customize-themes' does: if > `custom-theme-allow-multiple-selections' is nil, `disable-theme' should > be called for every element in `custom-enabled-themes' before enabling a > new one. Did you look at the code? What do you call this? (let ((orig-themes (delq nil (copy-sequence custom-enabled-themes))) ... (condition-case nil ; `C-g' (progn (mapc #'disable-theme custom-enabled-themes) (if orig-themes (mapc #'enable-theme orig-themes) (enable-theme snapshot))) (error nil))) > (customize-create-theme) is roughly equivalent to > `color-theme-make-snapshot'. It fills out a Custom theme using > Emacs's current state as a basis. ... > use (customize-create-theme) similarly to how you'd use > (color-theme-make-snapshot) to make a point to reverse to. No. `customize-create-theme' opens Customize. Show me a function that takes a snapshot of the Emacs state, even as a custom theme, which can then be used to restore the state. I give up. If you want to remain convinced there is no problem, fine. If you don't want to even try to see the problems reported, using the simple recipe I gave, fine. (Yes, simple to do: download the files, load them into emacs -Q, and try the command. Maybe 3 minutes altogether, including the time to download.) I have no axe to grind about this, no dog in any race. I provide cycling commands for both color themes and custom themes. And IF it were true that the latter had no drawbacks wrt the former, I would take pleasure in removing the code for color-theme cycling (for Emacs versions that support custom themes). Alas, that code needs to remain, so far. And apparently that will continue, as there seems to be little desire to fix the custom theme code in this regard. So be it. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Nov 30 03:57:22 2013 Received: (at 15687) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Nov 2013 08:57:22 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51115 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VmgMb-0004RR-OT for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 03:57:22 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:36968 ident=Debian-exim) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VmgMZ-0004QP-Ri for 15687@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 03:57:20 -0500 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VmgMX-0008Df-SM; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 03:57:18 -0500 From: Glenn Morris To: 15687@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#15687: 24.3.50; custom themes: disabling does not restore initial configuration References: <631ec576-1143-4ee0-a399-39a3bc5bc7da@default> X-Spook: Forte bluebird CBNRC colonel threat supercomputer X-Ran: "i*(ejmUyhCWzq^eg&0sjQ9mF?/Q^>L}T&1YXU3%xC;288Tw:lwGRA@>iBV}$RL`J2sqV, X-Hue: red X-Attribution: GM Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 03:57:17 -0500 In-Reply-To: <631ec576-1143-4ee0-a399-39a3bc5bc7da@default> (Drew Adams's message of "Tue, 26 Nov 2013 12:44:28 -0800 (PST)") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 15687 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) Drew Adams wrote: > I gave a recipe. I'll repeat it. > > emacs -Q, load oneonone.el, then doremi.el and doremi-cmd.el. For a laugh, I downloaded those. That's 3000 lines in total. That is not a minimal recipe, that's "debug my code for me". I don't have the time. If you think this is important, please come up with a minimal recipe. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Nov 30 12:10:29 2013 Received: (at 15687) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Nov 2013 17:10:29 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51937 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Vmo3o-0000dV-TR for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 12:10:29 -0500 Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:22509) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Vmo3m-0000dH-Cb for 15687@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 12:10:27 -0500 Received: from acsinet21.oracle.com (acsinet21.oracle.com [141.146.126.237]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.1/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.1) with ESMTP id rAUHAJ0S019757 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 30 Nov 2013 17:10:20 GMT Received: from aserz7022.oracle.com (aserz7022.oracle.com [141.146.126.231]) by acsinet21.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id rAUHAJrA020659 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 30 Nov 2013 17:10:19 GMT Received: from abhmp0016.oracle.com (abhmp0016.oracle.com [141.146.116.22]) by aserz7022.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id rAUHAIsJ017840; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 17:10:18 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 09:10:16 -0800 (PST) From: Drew Adams To: Glenn Morris , 15687@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: RE: bug#15687: 24.3.50; custom themes: disabling does not restore initial configuration References: <631ec576-1143-4ee0-a399-39a3bc5bc7da@default> In-Reply-To: X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.8 (707110) [OL 12.0.6680.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: acsinet21.oracle.com [141.146.126.237] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 15687 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) > That is not a minimal recipe, that's "debug my code for me". No one is asking anyone to debug my code. The code works fine, modulo Emacs bug #15687 and #15740. And as I mentioned, the code is for others, who use themes; I do not. It is not I who is hurt by this bug. It is Emacs and its custom-theme users. My aim is to help both. If the bug report helps, fine; if not, carry on. I gave a simple recipe to _show the problem_. I never claimed that it is a minimal recipe. I pointed to the specific code that applies a theme and then (via C-g) tries to restore the state. And that code is very short and simple. If you are not convinced that there is a problem restoring the state as it was before applying a theme, then that quick demonstration should convince you - without even looking at the code - but especially if you do look at it. After you downloaded the files "for laughs", did you even try the theme cycling? That's the point of downloading them, not just to be able to laugh, poke fun, and complain about how much you downloaded. And that check takes only a few seconds. Clearly, if your motivation in downloading the files was really to look for the bug, you would at least have tried the command - followed the recipe. Why does my crystal ball tell me that you didn't even try, that you just wanted to complain about how much there was to download? If you think that such restoration (theme undoing) is possible, please let us know how. (And no, `M-x customize*' is not the answer.) Let me put that to you positively and constructively: How can one, with Emacs Lisp, restore the state that was in effect before applying a custom theme? How to _undo_ a theme application? Disabling a theme does not cut the mustard. (If not convinced, please do try the code you so patiently downloaded. It clearly disables all custom themes you enabled, when you hit C-g.) The info of how to undo should be up front, in the manual. It is not, and AFAICT it is not an accident that it is missing altogether. But if you know the answer, please, out with it. In that case, this can be relegated to a doc bug, and you can simply add that missing info to the manual to fix it. The color-theme.el code and doc state clearly how to do that with color themes (it is a trivial operation). There is no explanation of how to do that with custom themes. Why is that? AFAICT, there is nothing foreseen for doing that, even though it is an obvious use case. Is there a simple way to do it? No answer. If you claim there is no bug here, please explain how that's done. That should be easy. Presumably Emacs provides a simple way to do it, no? Wrt the code to show the problem: I pointed to a simple cycling command, whose code is short. That should have been enough to show, for instance, that it already does what wgreenhouse later suggested: >> `disable-theme' should be called for every element in >> `custom-enabled-themes' before enabling a new one. I nevertheless pointed out that the code does that: (let ((orig-themes (delq nil (copy-sequence custom-enabled-themes))) ... (condition-case nil ; `C-g' (progn (mapc #'disable-theme custom-enabled-themes) (if orig-themes (mapc #'enable-theme orig-themes) (enable-theme snapshot))) (error nil))) This clearly disables all enabled themes, and then enables any themes that were enabled at the outset (i.e., were part of the initial state). Do you see something incorrect or missing here? You do not need to look at 3000 lines of code to understand the theme enabling and disabling being done. Mauvaise foi. And it takes only a few seconds of trying the command to see that the theme disabling is not enough to undo and restore the initial state. Keep your head in the sand and say you don't see anything. Still, there is a bug. Likewise, bug #15740. If you want to see it, raise your eyes. If you don't want to see it, carry on. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Nov 04 22:48:14 2014 Received: (at 15687) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Nov 2014 03:48:14 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49372 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XlrZt-000715-RM for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 04 Nov 2014 22:48:14 -0500 Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:41492) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XlrZs-00070x-C6 for 15687@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 04 Nov 2014 22:48:12 -0500 Received: from ucsinet21.oracle.com (ucsinet21.oracle.com [156.151.31.93]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id sA53mAmS020591 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for <15687@debbugs.gnu.org>; Wed, 5 Nov 2014 03:48:11 GMT Received: from aserz7022.oracle.com (aserz7022.oracle.com [141.146.126.231]) by ucsinet21.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id sA53m9CQ018276 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for <15687@debbugs.gnu.org>; Wed, 5 Nov 2014 03:48:10 GMT Received: from abhmp0004.oracle.com (abhmp0004.oracle.com [141.146.116.10]) by aserz7022.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id sA53m9Hd003326 for <15687@debbugs.gnu.org>; Wed, 5 Nov 2014 03:48:09 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <56f34eec-57e4-43e7-b601-99ea8850d6e1@default> Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2014 19:48:09 -0800 (PST) From: Drew Adams To: 15687@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: RE: bug#15687: 24.3.50; custom themes: disabling does not restore initial configuration References: <631ec576-1143-4ee0-a399-39a3bc5bc7da@default> In-Reply-To: X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.8.2 (807160) [OL 12.0.6691.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: ucsinet21.oracle.com [156.151.31.93] X-Spam-Score: -2.9 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 15687 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.9 (--) This bug should not have been renamed from "custom themes: disabling does n= ot restore initial configuration" to "disabling custom theme does not reset= vars". It is *not about resetting variables*. Not at all. It is about restoring any number of settings that might have been changed (= including customized using Customize) prior to enabling the custom theme: f= aces, frame parameters, etc. - as explained in this bug thread. The point is that "disabling" a custom theme does not restore the pre-enabl= ed state of everything that the theme changed. Disabling only restores thi= ngs relative to another custom theme. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Dec 25 20:09:08 2015 Received: (at 15687) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Dec 2015 01:09:08 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36398 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aCdM3-0008FE-T3 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2015 20:09:08 -0500 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:44057) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aCdM1-0008F3-RR for 15687@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2015 20:09:06 -0500 Received: from 2.150.58.24.tmi.telenormobil.no ([2.150.58.24] helo=mouse) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1aCdLf-00082x-2F; Sat, 26 Dec 2015 02:08:43 +0100 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Drew Adams Subject: Re: bug#15687: 24.3.50; custom themes: disabling does not restore initial configuration References: <87d2ln9f0b.fsf@motoko.kusanagi> <8761rf9ccv.fsf@motoko.kusanagi> <6c0691be-bed5-4e0a-bc90-87a20ccef9c1@default> Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2015 02:08:41 +0100 In-Reply-To: <6c0691be-bed5-4e0a-bc90-87a20ccef9c1@default> (Drew Adams's message of "Tue, 26 Nov 2013 13:16:21 -0800 (PST)") Message-ID: <87vb7mggo6.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.130014 (Ma Gnus v0.14) Emacs/25.1.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-MailScanner-ID: 1aCdLf-00082x-2F X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1451696923.83224@74gK11YpdS2xKfhdt3KQTg X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 15687 Cc: wgreenhouse@riseup.net, 15687@debbugs.gnu.org, wgg2@member.fsf.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) Drew Adams writes: > Alas, that code needs to remain, so far. And apparently that will > continue, as there seems to be little desire to fix the custom > theme code in this regard. So be it. Ok; closing. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Dec 25 20:09:10 2015 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Dec 2015 01:09:10 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36400 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aCdM6-0008FS-4S for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2015 20:09:10 -0500 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:44063) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aCdM3-0008FC-Nf for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2015 20:09:07 -0500 Received: from 2.150.58.24.tmi.telenormobil.no ([2.150.58.24] helo=mouse) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1aCdLi-000834-9J for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2015 02:08:46 +0100 Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2015 02:08:45 +0100 Message-Id: <87twn6ggo2.fsf@gnus.org> To: control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: control message for bug #15687 X-MailScanner-ID: 1aCdLi-000834-9J X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1451696926.54476@C4qR3klOZYl5itajY6BEDw X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) close 15687 From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Dec 25 23:28:56 2015 Received: (at 15687) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Dec 2015 04:28:56 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36626 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aCgTQ-0002q7-DW for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2015 23:28:56 -0500 Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:37920) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aCgTO-0002pv-Rv for 15687@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2015 23:28:55 -0500 Received: from aserv0021.oracle.com (aserv0021.oracle.com [141.146.126.233]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id tBQ4SlZp015422 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 26 Dec 2015 04:28:48 GMT Received: from aserv0122.oracle.com (aserv0122.oracle.com [141.146.126.236]) by aserv0021.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id tBQ4Slni002679 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 26 Dec 2015 04:28:47 GMT Received: from abhmp0002.oracle.com (abhmp0002.oracle.com [141.146.116.8]) by aserv0122.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id tBQ4Sk5Q029609; Sat, 26 Dec 2015 04:28:47 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <92900c1c-cf89-4679-8f16-4f8171607528@default> Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2015 20:28:47 -0800 (PST) From: Drew Adams To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: RE: bug#15687: 24.3.50; custom themes: disabling does not restore initial configuration References: <87d2ln9f0b.fsf@motoko.kusanagi> <8761rf9ccv.fsf@motoko.kusanagi> <6c0691be-bed5-4e0a-bc90-87a20ccef9c1@default> <87vb7mggo6.fsf@gnus.org> In-Reply-To: <87vb7mggo6.fsf@gnus.org> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9 (901082) [OL 12.0.6691.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: aserv0021.oracle.com [141.146.126.233] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 15687 Cc: 15687@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) > I give up. If you want to remain convinced there is no problem, > fine. If you don't want to even try to see the problems reported, > using the simple recipe I gave, fine. (Yes, simple to do: download > the files, load them into emacs -Q, and try the command. Maybe 3 > minutes altogether, including the time to download.) ... there > seems to be little desire to fix the custom theme code in this > regard. So be it. > > Ok; closing. There is nothing OK about closing this bug. The bug clearly remains, and it is 100% reproducible. And users of custom themes keep getting tripped up by this problem. A common, perhaps the most common, question about custom themes is how to completely undo one. IOW, this bug. From unknown Sat Jun 21 03:27:01 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. 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[91.140.91.109]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id b15-v6sm5344392wri.14.2018.06.13.09.41.24 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Wed, 13 Jun 2018 09:41:24 -0700 (PDT) From: "Basil L. Contovounesios" To: Drew Adams Subject: Re: bug#15687: 24.3.50; custom themes: disabling does not restore initial configuration References: <87d2ln9f0b.fsf@motoko.kusanagi> <8761rf9ccv.fsf@motoko.kusanagi> <6c0691be-bed5-4e0a-bc90-87a20ccef9c1@default> <87vb7mggo6.fsf@gnus.org> <92900c1c-cf89-4679-8f16-4f8171607528@default> Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2018 19:41:18 +0300 In-Reply-To: <92900c1c-cf89-4679-8f16-4f8171607528@default> (Drew Adams's message of "Fri, 25 Dec 2015 20:28:47 -0800 (PST)") Message-ID: <87bmce1vwx.fsf@tcd.ie> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 15687 Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , 15687@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) reopen 15687 quit Drew Adams writes: >> I give up. If you want to remain convinced there is no problem, >> fine. If you don't want to even try to see the problems reported, >> using the simple recipe I gave, fine. (Yes, simple to do: download >> the files, load them into emacs -Q, and try the command. Maybe 3 >> minutes altogether, including the time to download.) ... there >> seems to be little desire to fix the custom theme code in this >> regard. So be it. >> >> Ok; closing. > > There is nothing OK about closing this bug. The bug clearly > remains, and it is 100% reproducible. > > And users of custom themes keep getting tripped up by this > problem. A common, perhaps the most common, question about > custom themes is how to completely undo one. IOW, this bug. I'm sorry if I've misunderstood something after skimming this bug report, but I think the following recipe, starting from emacs -Q, illustrates the central issue: ;; Sample custom theme touching user options and faces. (with-temp-file (expand-file-name "foo-theme.el" custom-theme-directory) (insert "\ (deftheme foo) (custom-theme-set-variables 'foo '(text-quoting-style 'curved)) (custom-theme-set-faces 'foo '(default ((t :foreground \"white\" :background \"black\")))) (provide-theme 'foo)\n")) ;; Make changes conflicting with theme `foo'. (setq text-quoting-style 'grave) (set-foreground-color "green") ;; Load, enable, and disable theme `foo'. (load-theme 'foo t) (disable-theme 'foo) At the end of this, the value of text-quoting-style and the foreground of the default face are nil and "black", respectively. Wouldn't it be less intrusive if they were reverted to the values they held before enabling foo-theme, namely 'grave and "green", respectively? Feel free to close this bug again if I've misunderstood something. Thanks, -- Basil In GNU Emacs 27.0.50 (build 10, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, X toolkit, Xaw3d scroll bars) of 2018-06-04 built on thunk Repository revision: 1dafa4a02ed45bb4d02c6dc34c55518858422088 Windowing system distributor 'The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.11906000 System Description: Debian GNU/Linux buster/sid From unknown Sat Jun 21 03:27:01 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: Did not alter fixed versions and reopened. Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2018 16:42:02 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # Did not alter fixed versions and reopened. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jun 14 15:53:23 2018 Received: (at 15687) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Jun 2018 19:53:23 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48478 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fTYJ9-0002Fr-4X for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 14 Jun 2018 15:53:23 -0400 Received: from pruche.dit.umontreal.ca ([132.204.246.22]:52022) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fTYJ6-0002Fi-QE for 15687@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 14 Jun 2018 15:53:21 -0400 Received: from pastel.home (lechon.iro.umontreal.ca [132.204.27.242]) by pruche.dit.umontreal.ca (8.14.7/8.14.1) with ESMTP id w5EJrJZE014134; Thu, 14 Jun 2018 15:53:19 -0400 Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 661E0656D5; Thu, 14 Jun 2018 15:53:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Stefan Monnier To: Drew Adams Subject: Re: bug#15687: 24.3.50; custom themes: disabling does not restore initial configuration Message-ID: References: <631ec576-1143-4ee0-a399-39a3bc5bc7da@default> <56f34eec-57e4-43e7-b601-99ea8850d6e1@default> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2018 15:53:19 -0400 In-Reply-To: <56f34eec-57e4-43e7-b601-99ea8850d6e1@default> (Drew Adams's message of "Tue, 4 Nov 2014 19:48:09 -0800 (PST)") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-NAI-Spam-Flag: NO X-NAI-Spam-Threshold: 5 X-NAI-Spam-Score: 0 X-NAI-Spam-Rules: 2 Rules triggered EDT_SA_DN_PASS=0, RV6308=0 X-NAI-Spam-Version: 2.3.0.9418 : core <6308> : inlines <6699> : streams <1789687> : uri <2658220> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 15687 Cc: 15687@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > This bug should not have been renamed from "custom themes: disabling does > not restore initial configuration" to "disabling custom theme does not reset > vars". > > It is *not about resetting variables*. Not at all. > > It is about restoring any number of settings that might have been changed > (including customized using Customize) prior to enabling the custom theme: > faces, frame parameters, etc. - as explained in this bug thread. We understand that. We call that "resetting". Stefan From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jun 14 16:03:09 2018 Received: (at 15687) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Jun 2018 20:03:09 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48487 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fTYSb-0002Vr-Bc for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 14 Jun 2018 16:03:09 -0400 Received: from pruche.dit.umontreal.ca ([132.204.246.22]:53258) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fTYSY-0002Vj-RO for 15687@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 14 Jun 2018 16:03:07 -0400 Received: from pastel.home (lechon.iro.umontreal.ca [132.204.27.242]) by pruche.dit.umontreal.ca (8.14.7/8.14.1) with ESMTP id w5EK34ca016060; Thu, 14 Jun 2018 16:03:04 -0400 Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 4162B656D5; Thu, 14 Jun 2018 16:03:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Stefan Monnier To: "Basil L. Contovounesios" Subject: Re: bug#15687: 24.3.50; custom themes: disabling does not restore initial configuration Message-ID: References: <87d2ln9f0b.fsf@motoko.kusanagi> <8761rf9ccv.fsf@motoko.kusanagi> <6c0691be-bed5-4e0a-bc90-87a20ccef9c1@default> <87vb7mggo6.fsf@gnus.org> <92900c1c-cf89-4679-8f16-4f8171607528@default> <87bmce1vwx.fsf@tcd.ie> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2018 16:03:04 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87bmce1vwx.fsf@tcd.ie> (Basil L. Contovounesios's message of "Wed, 13 Jun 2018 19:41:18 +0300") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-NAI-Spam-Flag: NO X-NAI-Spam-Threshold: 5 X-NAI-Spam-Score: 0 X-NAI-Spam-Rules: 2 Rules triggered EDT_SA_DN_PASS=0, RV6308=0 X-NAI-Spam-Version: 2.3.0.9418 : core <6308> : inlines <6699> : streams <1789688> : uri <2658224> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 15687 Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , 15687@debbugs.gnu.org, Drew Adams X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > I'm sorry if I've misunderstood something after skimming this bug > report, but I think the following recipe, starting from emacs -Q, > illustrates the central issue: > > ;; Sample custom theme touching user options and faces. > (with-temp-file (expand-file-name "foo-theme.el" custom-theme-directory) > (insert "\ > (deftheme foo) > (custom-theme-set-variables 'foo '(text-quoting-style 'curved)) > (custom-theme-set-faces 'foo '(default ((t :foreground \"white\" > :background \"black\")))) > (provide-theme 'foo)\n")) > > ;; Make changes conflicting with theme `foo'. > (setq text-quoting-style 'grave) > (set-foreground-color "green") > > ;; Load, enable, and disable theme `foo'. > (load-theme 'foo t) > (disable-theme 'foo) > > At the end of this, the value of text-quoting-style and the foreground > of the default face are nil and "black", respectively. Thanks. Looks like a good recipe which finally describes the problem. > Wouldn't it be less intrusive if they were reverted to the values they > held before enabling foo-theme, namely 'grave and > "green", respectively? There is no question about that, yes: the code is clearly written with the intention to reset those values to `grave` and "green". I'm not very familiar with this code, but I know that there's some attempt to make this work by saving the "externally modified" values into a special theme called "changed" (as opposed to the changes made via Custom which are saved in the special theme called "user"). So IIUC the above recipe shows that this special code either doesn't properly save the settings to the "changed" theme, or they're not properly used when recomputing the var's values in response to `disable-theme`. 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