From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Oct 18 18:05:29 2013 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Oct 2013 22:05:29 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57296 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VXIAg-0003Bk-Rp for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 18:05:27 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:57440) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VXIAe-0003BS-65 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 18:05:25 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VXIAO-0007G9-V8 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 18:05:18 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:53948) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VXIAO-0007G4-S2 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 18:05:08 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:59128) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VXIAG-00044F-5M for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 18:05:08 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VXIA7-0006qS-Ir for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 18:05:00 -0400 Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:47279) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VXIA7-0006qM-Cl for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 18:04:51 -0400 Received: from acsinet21.oracle.com (acsinet21.oracle.com [141.146.126.237]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.1/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.1) with ESMTP id r9IM4n0P016071 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 22:04:50 GMT Received: from userz7022.oracle.com (userz7022.oracle.com [156.151.31.86]) by acsinet21.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r9IM4nrB011676 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 22:04:49 GMT Received: from abhmt120.oracle.com (abhmt120.oracle.com [141.146.116.72]) by userz7022.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r9IM4ml1011720 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 22:04:48 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 15:04:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 24.3.50; removal of "special-display" from Emacs and Elisp manuals X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.8 (707110) [OL 12.0.6680.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: acsinet21.oracle.com [141.146.126.237] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x-2.6.x [generic] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) Please put back the doc about special-display buffers. This is a useful concept, and the special-display variables and functions are easy to use. This should not have been jettisoned in your excitement to revamp `display-buffer' and implement `display-buffer-alist'. It is much easier and more understandable for someone to use `special-display-regexps' or `special-display-buffer-names' than it is to use `display-buffer-alist' to try to accomplish the same thing. Having `display-buffer-alist', to be able to deal with every fantastic combination imaginable, does not preclude also having the easy-to-use special-display features. You've added to the possible, unintelligible, and corner cases, but you have thrown out the baby with the bathwater: The common, simple cases are now as complex as any others. Nothing is gained by throwing special-display away. KISS. Think of Emacs users. In GNU Emacs 24.3.50.1 (i686-pc-mingw32) of 2013-10-09 on LEG570 Bzr revision: 114596 jan.h.d@swipnet.se-20131009185014-vynfyw4o8p5fge54 Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 6.1.7601 Configured using: `configure --enable-checking 'CFLAGS=3D-O0 -g3' CPPFLAGS=3D-DGLYPH_DEBUG= =3D1' From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Oct 20 20:55:07 2013 Received: (at 15649) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Oct 2013 00:55:07 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59645 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VY3ly-0001CR-Go for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 20 Oct 2013 20:55:06 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:40162 ident=Debian-exim) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VY3lv-0001CF-VC; Sun, 20 Oct 2013 20:55:04 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VY3lv-0006j0-29; Sun, 20 Oct 2013 20:55:03 -0400 From: Glenn Morris To: 15649@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#15649: 24.3.50; removal of "special-display" from Emacs and Elisp manuals References: X-Spook: Semtex Ceridian benelux fundamentalist Lexis-Nexis X-Ran: IdnESoi.~kjyPa1DE]~"][2(I_:e#jUl70Ni"U0DQl^TysNK-{kg-!ytH74h+]>?c&!=,I X-Hue: yellow X-Attribution: GM Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2013 20:55:02 -0400 Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -5.4 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 15649 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.4 (-----) tags 15649 wontfix stop No. It's obsolete. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Oct 20 22:50:57 2013 Received: (at 15649) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Oct 2013 02:50:57 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59701 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VY5a5-000543-2G for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 20 Oct 2013 22:50:57 -0400 Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:32091) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VY5a3-00053m-H4 for 15649@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 20 Oct 2013 22:50:56 -0400 Received: from acsinet22.oracle.com (acsinet22.oracle.com [141.146.126.238]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.1/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.1) with ESMTP id r9L2omdt023893 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 21 Oct 2013 02:50:49 GMT Received: from userz7021.oracle.com (userz7021.oracle.com [156.151.31.85]) by acsinet22.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r9L2olus004775 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 21 Oct 2013 02:50:48 GMT Received: from abhmt108.oracle.com (abhmt108.oracle.com [141.146.116.60]) by userz7021.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r9L2ol5k017439; Mon, 21 Oct 2013 02:50:47 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <61789385-0148-49c3-a22e-8446298e41a7@default> Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2013 19:50:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams To: Glenn Morris , 15649@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: RE: bug#15649: 24.3.50; removal of "special-display" from Emacs and Elisp manuals References: In-Reply-To: X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.8 (707110) [OL 12.0.6680.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: acsinet22.oracle.com [141.146.126.238] X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 15649 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) > tags 15649 wontfix > stop >=20 > No. It's obsolete. "It's obsolete because it's useful" seems to be the logic. Misguided. The invention of the armored humvee does not make bicycles obsolete or useless. Not to mention that these options are used to implement `display-buffer' (`display-buffer--special-action' etc.) and `special-display-popup-frame'. What reason can you give for making users jump through the `display-buffer-alist' hoop-jungle & obstacle course, just to accomplish what these options accomplish so simply and directly? No reason? Imagine that. 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