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Isearch should clear shift-selected region

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From: Yuri Khan <yuri.v.khan <at> gmail.com>
To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org
Subject: 24.2; isearch should clear selection in transient-mark-mode
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2013 10:00:22 +0700

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Please describe exactly what actions triggered the bug, and
the precise symptoms of the bug.  If you can, give a recipe
starting from `emacs -Q':

1. Start `emacs -Q'. It opens Emacs with the default text in *scratch*
buffer:
;; This buffer is for notes you don't want[...]
1a. cua-mode is off, transient-mark-mode is on.
2. Move point before This.
3. Select the word This by pressing Ctrl+Shift+Right arrow.
4. Invoke isearch by pressing Ctrl+S.
5. Enter `notes' as the search string.

Observed behavior:
* Selection is extended to include the word that was found by isearch.

Expected behavior:
* Since isearch is a point movement command and such commands deactivate
the selection in transient-mark-mode, I expect selection to be
deactivated.
* If I press Ctrl+Space before searching, this indicates an explicit
request for persistent selection. In this case, the current behavior of
isearch is correct.
* Additionally, it might be nice if pressing Ctrl+Shift+S behaved
similarly to Shift+arrow keys, unconditionally activating the selection
and extending/shrinking it to include the match.


In GNU Emacs 24.2.1 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.6.4)
 of 2013-04-09 on allspice, modified by Debian
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Message #8 received at 15513 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Drew Adams <drew.adams <at> oracle.com>
To: Yuri Khan <yuri.v.khan <at> gmail.com>, 15513 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: RE: bug#15513: 24.2; isearch should clear selection in
 transient-mark-mode
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2013 13:56:35 -0700 (PDT)

> 3. Select the word This by pressing Ctrl+Shift+Right arrow.
> 4. Invoke isearch by pressing Ctrl+S.
> 5. Enter `notes' as the search string.
> 
> Observed behavior:
> * Selection is extended to include the word that was found by isearch.

Yes, that is the expected (designed, documented) behavior.  This was
discussed in help-gnu-emacs, in (your) thread "automatic selection
during search".

> Expected behavior:
> * Since isearch is a point movement command and such commands deactivate
> the selection in transient-mark-mode, I expect selection to be
> deactivated.

Isearch is a lot more than just a point movement command.  And it might
or might not actually move point, in the end.  And there is no rule that
I know of that says that all point-movement commands (meaning what? any
command that moves point?) must deactivate the region before it acts.
What about `S-<right>'?  That's a point movement command - should it
too deactivate the region?

> * If I press Ctrl+Space before searching, this indicates an explicit
> request for persistent selection. In this case, the current behavior of
> isearch is correct.

You activated the region by doing `C-S-<right>', indicating an explicit
request for an active region.  Isearch extends the active region.
If you don't want that, then don't activate the region (or else deactivate
it) before invoking Isearch.

IOW, if it hurts, just don't do that.

Message #11 received at 15513 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Stefan Monnier <monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca>
To: Yuri Khan <yuri.v.khan <at> gmail.com>
Cc: 15513 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, cyd <at> gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#15513: 24.2;
 isearch should clear selection in transient-mark-mode
Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2013 17:19:32 -0400

retitle 15513 Isearch should clear shift-selected region
thanks

> 3. Select the word This by pressing Ctrl+Shift+Right arrow.
> 4. Invoke isearch by pressing Ctrl+S.
[...]
> Observed behavior:
> * Selection is extended to include the word that was found by isearch.
> Expected behavior:
> * Since isearch is a point movement command and such commands deactivate
> the selection in transient-mark-mode, I expect selection to be
> deactivated.
> * If I press Ctrl+Space before searching, this indicates an explicit
> request for persistent selection.  In this case, the current behavior of
> isearch is correct.

Actually, any highlighted region is a transient region.  Motion commands
deactivate the current selection only in the case where the selection
was made with shifted motion commands.

So C-s should only deactivate the region if it has been activated by
shifted motion commands.

> * Additionally, it might be nice if pressing Ctrl+Shift+S behaved
> similarly to Shift+arrow keys, unconditionally activating the selection
> and extending/shrinking it to include the match.

Yes, that would make a lot of sense, although C-S-s in my setup seems
never to reach Emacs (probably caught by something like
a window-manager).


        Stefan

Message #16 received at 15513 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: Stefan Monnier <monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca>
Cc: 15513 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, cyd <at> gnu.org, Yuri Khan <yuri.v.khan <at> gmail.com>
Subject: Re: bug#15513: Isearch should clear shift-selected region
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2021 07:48:04 +0200

Stefan Monnier <monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca> writes:

> Actually, any highlighted region is a transient region.  Motion commands
> deactivate the current selection only in the case where the selection
> was made with shifted motion commands.
>
> So C-s should only deactivate the region if it has been activated by
> shifted motion commands.

I think that makes sense -- but Emacs has worked this way for a long
time now, and I can't recall seeing many complaints about the behaviour
of `C-S-right C-s', so changing the behaviour may annoy people.

Anybody got an opinion here?

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
   bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no

Message #21 received at 15513 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: Stefan Monnier <monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca>
Cc: 15513 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, cyd <at> gnu.org, Yuri Khan <yuri.v.khan <at> gmail.com>
Subject: Re: bug#15513: Isearch should clear shift-selected region
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2021 17:07:25 +0200

Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org> writes:

> Stefan Monnier <monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca> writes:
>
>> Actually, any highlighted region is a transient region.  Motion commands
>> deactivate the current selection only in the case where the selection
>> was made with shifted motion commands.
>>
>> So C-s should only deactivate the region if it has been activated by
>> shifted motion commands.
>
> I think that makes sense -- but Emacs has worked this way for a long
> time now, and I can't recall seeing many complaints about the behaviour
> of `C-S-right C-s', so changing the behaviour may annoy people.
>
> Anybody got an opinion here?

Nobody had an opinion in a month, so I think the least wrong solution
here is to not change the behaviour here, and I'm closing this bug
report.

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
   bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no

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