From unknown Wed Jun 18 23:10:55 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#15404 <15404@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#15404 <15404@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: make_timespec undefined Reply-To: bug#15404 <15404@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2025 06:10:55 +0000 retitle 15404 make_timespec undefined reassign 15404 emacs submitter 15404 rms@gnu.org severity 15404 normal thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Sep 17 17:12:39 2013 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Sep 2013 21:12:39 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44918 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VM2Za-0001VV-0D for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 17 Sep 2013 17:12:38 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:41068) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VM2ZX-0001VI-H9 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 17 Sep 2013 17:12:36 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VM2ZR-0001Jf-49 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 17 Sep 2013 17:12:30 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:34084) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VM2ZR-0001JY-1F for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 17 Sep 2013 17:12:29 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:42782) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VM2ZP-0007gH-TZ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 17 Sep 2013 17:12:28 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VM2ZO-0001J7-Nj for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 17 Sep 2013 17:12:27 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:51002) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VM2ZO-0001J3-J2 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 17 Sep 2013 17:12:26 -0400 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VM2ZN-0004wC-SP; Tue, 17 Sep 2013 17:12:25 -0400 Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 17:12:25 -0400 Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 From: Richard Stallman To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: make_timespec undefined X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -5.7 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: rms@gnu.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.7 (-----) I tried to recompile with the latest sources, and got an error from linking that make_timespec is not defined. The error was in xterm.o and xdisp.o and keyboard.o. It may have occurred in other files as well but ld stopped listing them. I can't find any place that tries to define it. I am using the latest gNewSense for MIPS. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Sep 17 18:05:54 2013 Received: (at 15404) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Sep 2013 22:05:54 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44974 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VM3P7-0002re-RH for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 17 Sep 2013 18:05:53 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:51722 ident=Debian-exim) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VM3P5-0002rV-EG for 15404@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 17 Sep 2013 18:05:52 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VM3P3-0003Ve-5r; Tue, 17 Sep 2013 18:05:49 -0400 From: Glenn Morris To: rms@gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#15404: make_timespec undefined References: X-Spook: BRLO Guantanamo cracking assassination SAPO analyzer X-Ran: "@>/(d/HST?>u7`JEaAU*G@G"ko"^`:#uDU_6vuH::@oT>\N&il:QXO@6rsS472DXqWI=P X-Hue: cyan X-Debbugs-No-Ack: yes X-Attribution: GM Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 18:05:48 -0400 Message-ID: <5omwnb5cjn.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -5.7 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 15404 Cc: 15404@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.7 (-----) Should be defined in lib/libgnu.a (source in lib/timespec.h). I imagine your problems would go away if you bootstrap. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Sep 18 09:38:43 2013 Received: (at 15404) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Sep 2013 13:38:43 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46411 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VMHxq-0003D7-Iq for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 18 Sep 2013 09:38:42 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:38366 ident=Debian-exim) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VMHxl-0003Cp-Cq for 15404@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 18 Sep 2013 09:38:37 -0400 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VMHxj-0002Em-Tb; Wed, 18 Sep 2013 09:38:35 -0400 Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 09:38:35 -0400 Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 From: Richard Stallman To: Glenn Morris In-reply-to: <5omwnb5cjn.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> (message from Glenn Morris on Tue, 17 Sep 2013 18:05:48 -0400) Subject: Re: bug#15404: make_timespec undefined References: <5omwnb5cjn.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -5.7 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 15404 Cc: 15404@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: rms@gnu.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.7 (-----) [ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider [ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, [ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. Should be defined in lib/libgnu.a (source in lib/timespec.h). Thanks. That fixed it. I imagine your problems would go away if you bootstrap. Alas, bootstrapping tends to cause me a lot of trouble. For instance, it deletes the old version of Emacs, so if anything goes wrong, I am basically shafted until I get it fixed. A couple of months ago, people suggested that I try to rebuild without a bootstrap. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Sep 18 10:59:13 2013 Received: (at 15404) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Sep 2013 14:59:14 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46784 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VMJDl-0005Jo-5t for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 18 Sep 2013 10:59:13 -0400 Received: from mtaout20.012.net.il ([80.179.55.166]:47493) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VMJDi-0005JW-Hm for 15404@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 18 Sep 2013 10:59:11 -0400 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout20.012.net.il by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0MTB00D00TFLOE00@a-mtaout20.012.net.il> for 15404@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 18 Sep 2013 17:59:03 +0300 (IDT) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0MTB00DWDTMFCIA0@a-mtaout20.012.net.il>; Wed, 18 Sep 2013 17:59:03 +0300 (IDT) Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 17:59:04 +0300 From: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#15404: make_timespec undefined In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il To: rms@gnu.org Message-id: <838uyunpl3.fsf@gnu.org> References: <5omwnb5cjn.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 15404 Cc: rgm@gnu.org, 15404@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) > Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 09:38:35 -0400 > From: Richard Stallman > Cc: 15404@debbugs.gnu.org > > Alas, bootstrapping tends to cause me a lot of trouble. For instance, > it deletes the old version of Emacs, so if anything goes wrong, > I am basically shafted until I get it fixed. One way of avoiding such a total loss is to have 2 separate bzr branches, both bound to the main one on Savannah. Assuming you already have one such branch, here's a way of creating another one, starting from the 1st branch's top-level directory: $ cd .. $ bzr branch --bind bzr+ssh://rms@bzr.savannah.gnu.org/emacs/trunk ./trunk2 When bzr is done (it should be pretty quick, assuming you have a shared repo in the parent directory of your current emacs trunk), bootstrap the new branch in trunk2, and then you can use that as a spare branch. E.g., you could always bootstrap trunk2, so that when the "normal" build in the other branch fails, you could try in trunk2, and if that works, you know you can bootstrap in the other branch without fear. Since both branches are bound to the mainline, you can commit from any of them. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Sep 18 12:19:48 2013 Received: (at 15404) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Sep 2013 16:19:48 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46988 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VMKTk-0007PC-4B for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 18 Sep 2013 12:19:48 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:41274 ident=Debian-exim) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VMKTi-0007P5-Ec for 15404@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 18 Sep 2013 12:19:46 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VMKTf-0004Mo-Do; Wed, 18 Sep 2013 12:19:43 -0400 From: Glenn Morris To: rms@gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#15404: make_timespec undefined References: <5omwnb5cjn.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> X-Spook: rail gun clandestine condor North Korea global subversive X-Ran: c3+R;dg4 (Richard Stallman's message of "Wed, 18 Sep 2013 09:38:35 -0400") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -5.7 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 15404 Cc: 15404@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.7 (-----) Richard Stallman wrote: > Alas, bootstrapping tends to cause me a lot of trouble. For instance, > it deletes the old version of Emacs, so if anything goes wrong, > I am basically shafted until I get it fixed. Why don't you `make install'? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Sep 18 12:19:54 2013 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Sep 2013 16:19:54 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46991 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VMKTq-0007Pa-F4 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 18 Sep 2013 12:19:54 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:41276 ident=Debian-exim) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VMKTo-0007PQ-Sl for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 18 Sep 2013 12:19:53 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VMKTo-0004PR-J0 for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 18 Sep 2013 12:19:52 -0400 Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 12:19:52 -0400 Message-Id: Subject: control message for bug 15404 To: X-Mailer: mail (GNU Mailutils 2.1) From: Glenn Morris X-Spam-Score: -5.7 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.7 (-----) close 15404 From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Sep 18 12:23:01 2013 Received: (at 15404) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Sep 2013 16:23:01 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47007 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VMKWq-0007Vk-0D for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 18 Sep 2013 12:23:00 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:41338 ident=Debian-exim) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VMKWn-0007VY-D2 for 15404@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 18 Sep 2013 12:22:57 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VMKWk-0005OJ-Tn; Wed, 18 Sep 2013 12:22:54 -0400 From: Glenn Morris To: rms@gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#15404: make_timespec undefined References: <5omwnb5cjn.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> X-Spook: quiche propaganda ASIO Watergate FIPS140 chameleon man X-Ran: }9iV!t54='ntQmo!B)+(DR@,uNj*fbAE{n-2r+KoH(bO)!t-rwqQoxr](Nv41IYwRLz,Y' X-Hue: blue X-Debbugs-No-Ack: yes X-Attribution: GM Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 12:22:54 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Glenn Morris's message of "Wed, 18 Sep 2013 12:19:43 -0400") Message-ID: <9vk3ie6qw1.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -5.7 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 15404 Cc: 15404@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.7 (-----) Glenn Morris wrote: > Why don't you `make install'? Or have Emacs 24.3 installed on your machine. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Sep 18 13:30:52 2013 Received: (at 15404) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Sep 2013 17:30:52 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47090 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VMLaV-0001qr-Hh for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 18 Sep 2013 13:30:52 -0400 Received: from mx1.riseup.net ([198.252.153.129]:46130) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VMLMa-0001TL-0h for 15404@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 18 Sep 2013 13:16:28 -0400 Received: from fulvetta.riseup.net (fulvetta-pn.riseup.net [10.0.1.75]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Gandi Standard SSL CA" (not verified)) by mx1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 156254936C; Wed, 18 Sep 2013 10:16:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (Authenticated sender: wgreenhouse@fulvetta.riseup.net) with ESMTPSA id 9B8DF2A2 From: William G. Gardella To: 15404@debbugs.gnu.org, rms@gnu.org Subject: Mitigating "make bootstrap" trashing the tree Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 17:16:10 +0000 Message-ID: <87a9javyn9.fsf@motoko.kusanagi> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.8 at mx1 X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 15404 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 13:30:50 -0400 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) Hello, One suggestion to help avoid "make bootstrap" trashing the source tree and your old emacs build would be to use "bzr stash" to make a temporary, local copy of your previous build. Another idea would be to do something like make install DESTDIR=built-on-`date +%Y-%m-%d_%H-%M`, so that even if you do not wish to install globally whenever you build Emacs, you at least have past successful builds in a convenient place. Ultimately, however, I think "make bootstrap" should avoid doing lots of implicit things like deleting old builds. It should be reversible somehow without needing to know bzr hacks or redirect the output of previous builds. Automated functions that make a mess should clean up after themselves. -- Regards, WGG From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Sep 18 13:31:08 2013 Received: (at 15404) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Sep 2013 17:31:08 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47095 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VMLam-0001rw-Bd for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 18 Sep 2013 13:31:08 -0400 Received: from pruche.dit.umontreal.ca ([132.204.246.22]:43740) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VMLaj-0001rn-VZ for 15404@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 18 Sep 2013 13:31:06 -0400 Received: from faina.iro.umontreal.ca (lechon.iro.umontreal.ca [132.204.27.242]) by pruche.dit.umontreal.ca (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id r8IHV5HL000729; Wed, 18 Sep 2013 13:31:05 -0400 Received: by faina.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 70FF1B40D3; Wed, 18 Sep 2013 13:31:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Stefan Monnier To: Glenn Morris Subject: Re: bug#15404: make_timespec undefined Message-ID: References: <5omwnb5cjn.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 13:31:05 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Glenn Morris's message of "Wed, 18 Sep 2013 12:19:43 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 15404 Cc: rms@gnu.org, 15404@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) >> Alas, bootstrapping tends to cause me a lot of trouble. For instance, >> it deletes the old version of Emacs, so if anything goes wrong, >> I am basically shafted until I get it fixed. > Why don't you `make install'? I personally find it very inconvenient, because C-h f then jumps to the installed files, which are not under version control, so I can't usefully edit them. Stefan From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Sep 18 15:25:28 2013 Received: (at 15404) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Sep 2013 19:25:28 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47279 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VMNNP-0005lw-9x for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 18 Sep 2013 15:25:27 -0400 Received: from mtaout20.012.net.il ([80.179.55.166]:61085) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VMNNI-0005lZ-Ig for 15404@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 18 Sep 2013 15:25:24 -0400 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout20.012.net.il by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0MTC00F005RWXK00@a-mtaout20.012.net.il> for 15404@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 18 Sep 2013 22:25:14 +0300 (IDT) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0MTC00FL75XRML60@a-mtaout20.012.net.il>; Wed, 18 Sep 2013 22:25:03 +0300 (IDT) Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 22:25:03 +0300 From: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#15404: Mitigating "make bootstrap" trashing the tree In-reply-to: <87a9javyn9.fsf@motoko.kusanagi> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il To: "William G. Gardella" Message-id: <83vc1ylypc.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87a9javyn9.fsf@motoko.kusanagi> X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 15404 Cc: 15404@debbugs.gnu.org, rms@gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) > From: William G. Gardella > Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 17:16:10 +0000 > > One suggestion to help avoid "make bootstrap" trashing the source tree > and your old emacs build would be to use "bzr stash" to make a > temporary, local copy of your previous build. I guess you mean "bzr shelve". But that would only stash away versioned files that were locally modified, so I expect it to do nothing in a bound branch that doesn't have any local changes. Making a local branch is probably what you had in mind. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Sep 18 16:00:24 2013 Received: (at 15404) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Sep 2013 20:00:24 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47331 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VMNvD-0006rx-EE for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 18 Sep 2013 16:00:23 -0400 Received: from mx1.riseup.net ([198.252.153.129]:35285) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VMNv9-0006rm-Rs for 15404@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 18 Sep 2013 16:00:20 -0400 Received: from fruiteater.riseup.net (fruiteater-pn.riseup.net [10.0.1.74]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Gandi Standard SSL CA" (not verified)) by mx1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9E912480FC; Wed, 18 Sep 2013 13:00:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (Authenticated sender: wgreenhouse@fruiteater.riseup.net) with ESMTPSA id 0546FBAD From: "William G. Gardella" To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#15404: Mitigating "make bootstrap" trashing the tree References: <87a9javyn9.fsf@motoko.kusanagi> <83vc1ylypc.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 20:00:08 +0000 In-Reply-To: <83vc1ylypc.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Wed, 18 Sep 2013 22:25:03 +0300") Message-ID: <8761txx5mf.fsf@motoko.kusanagi> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.8 at mx1 X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 15404 Cc: "William G. Gardella" , 15404@debbugs.gnu.org, rms@gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) Eli Zaretskii writes: [...] > I guess you mean "bzr shelve". But that would only stash away > versioned files that were locally modified, so I expect it to do > nothing in a bound branch that doesn't have any local changes. > > Making a local branch is probably what you had in mind. Yes, I meant "bzr shelve", apologies. And it seems you're right; it would only do any good if the files generated during the previous run of "make" had already been added with "bzr add". I guess a local branch is probably the best way. -- Regards, WGG From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Sep 18 17:52:00 2013 Received: (at 15404) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Sep 2013 21:52:00 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47516 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VMPfD-0001E1-O1 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 18 Sep 2013 17:51:59 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:45649 ident=Debian-exim) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VMPfB-0001Du-Or for 15404@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 18 Sep 2013 17:51:58 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VMPf9-0001ny-9b; Wed, 18 Sep 2013 17:51:55 -0400 From: Glenn Morris To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#15404: make_timespec undefined References: <5omwnb5cjn.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <838uyunpl3.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spook: White House national information infrastructure Watergate X-Ran: %%l&i~uWgx%:;2,gB*b`2Oz{2*JwitS(J%AZFZ2%LZQZ\2/&Jfo>KWO"jp/W|z$d,9k2Pt X-Hue: red X-Debbugs-No-Ack: yes X-Attribution: GM Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 17:51:55 -0400 In-Reply-To: <838uyunpl3.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Wed, 18 Sep 2013 17:59:04 +0300") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -4.9 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 15404 Cc: rms@gnu.org, 15404@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -4.9 (----) Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> Alas, bootstrapping tends to cause me a lot of trouble. For instance, >> it deletes the old version of Emacs, so if anything goes wrong, >> I am basically shafted until I get it fixed. > > One way of avoiding such a total loss is to have 2 separate bzr > branches, both bound to the main one on Savannah. Low-tech version: cp -pr trunk trunk.bak before bootstrapping trunk. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Sep 18 17:54:32 2013 Received: (at 15404) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Sep 2013 21:54:32 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47531 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VMPhf-0001IG-CC for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 18 Sep 2013 17:54:32 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:45678 ident=Debian-exim) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VMPhd-0001I8-E0 for 15404@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 18 Sep 2013 17:54:29 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VMPhc-0002VE-Dy; Wed, 18 Sep 2013 17:54:28 -0400 From: Glenn Morris To: Stefan Monnier Subject: Re: bug#15404: make_timespec undefined References: <5omwnb5cjn.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> X-Spook: INS Craig Livingstone Venezuela Tony Blair UMTS cracking X-Ran: u+b&'#bLw!~$R6Oy'"xvr=Tm1))rUn=Lm.Uh}}p}Z22?/mwngO"e>QQ1VnHQ=#Z{n`co,2 X-Hue: white X-Debbugs-No-Ack: yes X-Attribution: GM Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 17:54:28 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Wed, 18 Sep 2013 13:31:05 -0400") Message-ID: <99wqmdhk2z.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -5.7 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 15404 Cc: 15404@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.7 (-----) Stefan Monnier wrote: >> Why don't you `make install'? > > I personally find it very inconvenient, because C-h f then jumps to the > installed files, which are not under version control, so I can't > usefully edit them. I'm sure you could modify C-h f to jump to the versions in `source-directory' instead. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Sep 19 03:08:39 2013 Received: (at 15404) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Sep 2013 07:08:39 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48145 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VMYLt-0006aE-TR for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 19 Sep 2013 03:08:38 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:52133 ident=Debian-exim) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VMYLr-0006a5-1w for 15404@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 19 Sep 2013 03:08:36 -0400 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VMYLh-0003Zi-KE; Thu, 19 Sep 2013 03:08:25 -0400 Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 03:08:25 -0400 Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 From: Richard Stallman To: Glenn Morris In-reply-to: (message from Glenn Morris on Wed, 18 Sep 2013 12:19:43 -0400) Subject: Re: bug#15404: make_timespec undefined References: <5omwnb5cjn.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -5.7 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 15404 Cc: 15404@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: rms@gnu.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.7 (-----) [ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider [ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, [ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. Why don't you `make install'? I run it out of the development directory so that my changes get into use, and so that it is easy to update. Except that when a bootstrap is needed, it is a pain. Or have Emacs 24.3 installed on your machine. I could build that from source, but why would that be better? -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Sep 19 03:09:15 2013 Received: (at 15404) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Sep 2013 07:09:15 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48149 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VMYMT-0006bU-J9 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 19 Sep 2013 03:09:14 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:52155 ident=Debian-exim) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VMYMR-0006bJ-3D for 15404@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 19 Sep 2013 03:09:11 -0400 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VMYMP-0006JS-W5; Thu, 19 Sep 2013 03:09:10 -0400 Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 03:09:09 -0400 Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 From: Richard Stallman To: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: <838uyunpl3.fsf@gnu.org> (message from Eli Zaretskii on Wed, 18 Sep 2013 17:59:04 +0300) Subject: Re: bug#15404: make_timespec undefined References: <5omwnb5cjn.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <838uyunpl3.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -5.7 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 15404 Cc: rgm@gnu.org, 15404@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: rms@gnu.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.7 (-----) [ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider [ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, [ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. $ bzr branch --bind bzr+ssh://rms@bzr.savannah.gnu.org/emacs/trunk ./trunk2 When bzr is done (it should be pretty quick, assuming you have a shared repo in the parent directory of your current emacs trunk), This could be a good method. How can I tell whether there is a shared repo there? -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Sep 19 03:33:27 2013 Received: (at 15404) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Sep 2013 07:33:27 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48179 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VMYju-0007BM-Qf for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 19 Sep 2013 03:33:27 -0400 Received: from mtaout20.012.net.il ([80.179.55.166]:48277) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VMYjr-0007B5-HS for 15404@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 19 Sep 2013 03:33:24 -0400 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout20.012.net.il by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0MTD00M003EST900@a-mtaout20.012.net.il> for 15404@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 19 Sep 2013 10:33:16 +0300 (IDT) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0MTD00MQS3NF4970@a-mtaout20.012.net.il>; Thu, 19 Sep 2013 10:33:16 +0300 (IDT) Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 10:33:17 +0300 From: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#15404: make_timespec undefined In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il To: rms@gnu.org Message-id: <83k3idmfk2.fsf@gnu.org> References: <5omwnb5cjn.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <838uyunpl3.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 15404 Cc: rgm@gnu.org, 15404@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) > Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 03:09:09 -0400 > From: Richard Stallman > CC: rgm@gnu.org, 15404@debbugs.gnu.org > > $ bzr branch --bind bzr+ssh://rms@bzr.savannah.gnu.org/emacs/trunk ./trunk2 > > When bzr is done (it should be pretty quick, assuming you have a > shared repo in the parent directory of your current emacs trunk), > > This could be a good method. > How can I tell whether there is a shared repo there? Invoke "bzr info" in the parent directory of your branch. If there is a repo, it will say something like this: Shared repository with trees (format: 2a) Location: shared repository: . If you have no repo, it will say something like this: bzr: ERROR: Not a branch: "/foo/bar" If you get the latter, there's a way to create a shared repo after the fact, and then reconfigure your current branch to use it (I can tell you how). You should do this _before_ creating the other branch, or else creating that other branch will take much longer. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Sep 19 03:34:17 2013 Received: (at 15404) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Sep 2013 07:34:17 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48186 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VMYki-0007Cz-MJ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 19 Sep 2013 03:34:17 -0400 Received: from mtaout23.012.net.il ([80.179.55.175]:46173) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VMYkf-0007Cj-OX for 15404@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 19 Sep 2013 03:34:14 -0400 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout23.012.net.il by a-mtaout23.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0MTD00E003NFNS00@a-mtaout23.012.net.il> for 15404@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 19 Sep 2013 10:34:07 +0300 (IDT) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout23.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0MTD00DU73OUY760@a-mtaout23.012.net.il>; Thu, 19 Sep 2013 10:34:07 +0300 (IDT) Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 10:34:08 +0300 From: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#15404: make_timespec undefined In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il To: rms@gnu.org Message-id: <83ioxxmfin.fsf@gnu.org> References: <5omwnb5cjn.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 15404 Cc: rgm@gnu.org, 15404@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) > Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 03:08:25 -0400 > From: Richard Stallman > Cc: 15404@debbugs.gnu.org > > Or have Emacs 24.3 installed on your machine. > > I could build that from source, but why would that be better? Because Emacs 24.3 is more stable, and doesn't change. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Sep 19 03:40:33 2013 Received: (at 15404) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Sep 2013 07:40:33 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48197 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VMYqm-0007MC-7D for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 19 Sep 2013 03:40:32 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:52605 ident=Debian-exim) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VMYqi-0007M0-Qd for 15404@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 19 Sep 2013 03:40:30 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VMYqf-0008JW-Dx; Thu, 19 Sep 2013 03:40:25 -0400 From: Glenn Morris To: rms@gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#15404: make_timespec undefined References: <5omwnb5cjn.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> X-Spook: Al Jazeera cypherpunk Panama Leuken-Baden Compsec X-Ran: )^rdE9_z(f'`wu!<%W56(,a4aa`|j=|sSyiB^YT)g!-$qcxp%6y_'x(ql9oq\Q/%.#qa{S X-Hue: red X-Debbugs-No-Ack: yes X-Attribution: GM Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 03:40:25 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Thu, 19 Sep 2013 03:08:25 -0400") Message-ID: <5whadhqmxi.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -5.7 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 15404 Cc: 15404@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.7 (-----) Richard Stallman wrote: > Or have Emacs 24.3 installed on your machine. > > I could build that from source, but why would that be better? It would be a backup in case Emacs trunk breaks, so you aren't "shafted" until it gets fixed. I'm assuming you use Emacs for mail and stuff on a daily basis. Just do the obvious thing and have some kind of backup, whether it be a different version, `make install', a tar file, rsync, cp -r, a second bzr branch, whatever works for you. Having only a checkout of Emacs trunk and nothing else is asking for trouble. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Sep 19 03:46:55 2013 Received: (at 15404) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Sep 2013 07:46:55 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48207 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VMYww-0007Vy-Fg for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 19 Sep 2013 03:46:54 -0400 Received: from cantor2.suse.de ([195.135.220.15]:44707 helo=mx2.suse.de) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VMYwh-0007VX-H8 for 15404@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 19 Sep 2013 03:46:51 -0400 Received: from relay2.suse.de (unknown [195.135.220.254]) by mx2.suse.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91F25A50DE; Thu, 19 Sep 2013 09:46:38 +0200 (CEST) From: Andreas Schwab To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#15404: make_timespec undefined References: <5omwnb5cjn.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <838uyunpl3.fsf@gnu.org> <83k3idmfk2.fsf@gnu.org> X-Yow: Where's th' DAFFY DUCK EXHIBIT?? Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 09:46:38 +0200 In-Reply-To: <83k3idmfk2.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Thu, 19 Sep 2013 10:33:17 +0300") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 15404 Cc: rms@gnu.org, 15404@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.7 (-----) Eli Zaretskii writes: > Invoke "bzr info" in the parent directory of your branch. Or run it inside the branch. Andreas. -- Andreas Schwab, SUSE Labs, schwab@suse.de GPG Key fingerprint = 0196 BAD8 1CE9 1970 F4BE 1748 E4D4 88E3 0EEA B9D7 "And now for something completely different." From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Sep 19 17:18:11 2013 Received: (at 15404) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Sep 2013 21:18:11 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49980 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VMlc2-0004VB-Eq for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 19 Sep 2013 17:18:10 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:36523 ident=Debian-exim) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VMlbz-0004V0-7V for 15404@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 19 Sep 2013 17:18:07 -0400 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VMlbx-0005Sw-4q; Thu, 19 Sep 2013 17:18:05 -0400 Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 17:18:05 -0400 Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 From: Richard Stallman To: Glenn Morris In-reply-to: (message from Glenn Morris on Wed, 18 Sep 2013 17:51:55 -0400) Subject: Re: bug#15404: make_timespec undefined References: <5omwnb5cjn.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <838uyunpl3.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -5.7 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 15404 Cc: eliz@gnu.org, 15404@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: rms@gnu.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.7 (-----) [ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider [ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, [ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. cp -pr trunk trunk.bak Yes, that would work. Copying almost 400meg seems extravagant to me, though; is it really necessary? -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Sep 19 17:18:42 2013 Received: (at 15404) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Sep 2013 21:18:42 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49983 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VMlcX-0004Vz-9f for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 19 Sep 2013 17:18:41 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:36572 ident=Debian-exim) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VMlcV-0004Vr-FR for 15404@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 19 Sep 2013 17:18:39 -0400 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VMlcT-0005mw-6f; Thu, 19 Sep 2013 17:18:37 -0400 Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 17:18:37 -0400 Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 From: Richard Stallman To: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: <83ioxxmfin.fsf@gnu.org> (message from Eli Zaretskii on Thu, 19 Sep 2013 10:34:08 +0300) Subject: Re: bug#15404: make_timespec undefined References: <5omwnb5cjn.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83ioxxmfin.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -5.7 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 15404 Cc: rgm@gnu.org, 15404@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: rms@gnu.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.7 (-----) [ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider [ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, [ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. Because Emacs 24.3 is more stable, and doesn't change. I do want to use something more recent. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call. From unknown Wed Jun 18 23:10:55 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 11:24:04 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator