GNU bug report logs - #15384
24.3.50; Org ODT exporter patches (released under cc0)

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Message #5 received at submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Jambunathan K <kjambunathan <at> gmail.com>
To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org
Subject: 24.3.50; Org ODT exporter patches (released under cc0)
Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2013 17:09:27 +0530

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Org ODT exporter patches (released under cc0)

I am releasing a bunch of local changes that I have in my workarea under
the CC0 license.

I am hoping that this will enable the Emacs project manitainers to slap
GPL on top and distribute these files as part of GNU Emacs proper and
GNU ELPA.

I am not interested in signing any paperwork.  Otherwise, I am willing
to do whatever is necessary to have these changes incorporated.

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Special requests:

I want two files authored by me to distribute from GNU ELPA (and not Org
contrib). 

1. ox-jabref.el (part of the patch, also included separately)
2. ox-freemind.el (part of org contrib dir)

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Summary of patches:

There are 4 patches and it will apply cleanly to commit head fc2ec2eb88
of Orgmode git repo.


b3a6660058fadb2a67b977c553ded414f7a6a657 ox-odt: Add support for JabRef
d330d23b51a691d565a0245f1eb48765c67ad6c0 ox-odt.el: Support for pagebreaks, cust
58598cfd3909ae5a06b583e764f71d15147efe86 ox-odt.el: Fix handling of ODT attribut
f709741922122f76959414f9c152b1aff872ab4e ox-odt: Support for typesetting Descrip

c5f2ae7c8d2bb4f533f0a04bfab17b0db139a8f4 Merge branch 'master' of orgmode.org:or
fc2ec2eb886ae469dbc2fe4fcb3bee91cf94a227 Fix typo
bbe8518118646a28faaedd08f403036c2e2f9939 Given a block with an empty body org-ba

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Patches:

[0001-ox-odt-Support-for-typesetting-Description-lists-as-.patch (text/x-diff, attachment)]

[0002-ox-odt.el-Fix-handling-of-ODT-attributes.patch (text/x-diff, attachment)]

[0003-ox-odt.el-Support-for-pagebreaks-custom-paragraph-st.patch (text/x-diff, attachment)]

[0004-ox-odt-Add-support-for-JabRef.patch (text/x-diff, attachment)]

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ox-jabref.el (Standalone) and ox-freemind.el

[ox-jabref.el (application/emacs-lisp, attachment)]

[ox-freemind.el (application/emacs-lisp, attachment)]

Message #8 received at 15384 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Jambunathan K <kjambunathan <at> gmail.com>
To: 15384 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#15384: 24.3.50; Org ODT exporter patches (released under cc0)
Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2013 17:17:09 +0530

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Jambunathan K <kjambunathan <at> gmail.com> writes:

> Org ODT exporter patches (released under cc0)

Archiving my unit test file and some auxiliary binaries that I use for
"testing".  Should be useful for casual users or anyone (if there be
any) on improving the ODT exporter.

Auxiliary binaries include:

1. Jabref's Chicago filter ported for use with Org Jabref exporter.
2. MathToWeb jar file for converting latex equations to MathML.

[test-odt.zip (application/zip, attachment)]

Message #11 received at 15384 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Stefan Monnier <monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca>
To: Jambunathan K <kjambunathan <at> gmail.com>
Cc: 15384 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#15384: 24.3.50; Org ODT exporter patches (released under cc0)
Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2013 13:16:18 -0400

> I am releasing a bunch of local changes that I have in my workarea under
> the CC0 license.
> I am hoping that this will enable the Emacs project manitainers to slap
> GPL on top and distribute these files as part of GNU Emacs proper and
> GNU ELPA.

You're confused about the requirements.

> I am not interested in signing any paperwork.  Otherwise, I am willing
> to do whatever is necessary to have these changes incorporated.

Releasing it under the CC0 is no better than under the GPL.  Both are
perfectly sufficient licenses to give us the right to use your code,
technically.  But Emacs policy is to only accept code with proper
copyright paperwork, so as long as you're not willing to sign new
paperwork we won't accept any code of yours.


        Stefan

Message #14 received at 15384 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Jambunathan K <kjambunathan <at> gmail.com>
To: Stefan Monnier <monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca>
Cc: 15384 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#15384: 24.3.50; Org ODT exporter patches (released under cc0)
Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2013 22:52:24 +0530

Stefan Monnier <monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca> writes:

> But Emacs policy is to only accept code with proper
> copyright paperwork, so as long as you're not willing to sign new
> paperwork we won't accept any code of yours.

I am not going to sign any papers.  No way.

Make a derivative change and slap FSF's copyright on the derivative
change.

Message #17 received at 15384 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Stefan Monnier <monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca>
To: Jambunathan K <kjambunathan <at> gmail.com>
Cc: 15384 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#15384: 24.3.50; Org ODT exporter patches (released under cc0)
Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2013 14:06:53 -0400

> I am not going to sign any papers.  No way.

That's too bad.


        Stefan

Message #22 received at 15384 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Jambunathan K <kjambunathan <at> gmail.com>
To: Stefan Monnier <monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca>
Cc: 15384 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#15384: 24.3.50; Org ODT exporter patches (released under cc0)
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 13:09:18 +0530

Jambunathan K <kjambunathan <at> gmail.com> writes:

> Make a derivative change and slap FSF's copyright on the derivative
> change.

I am saying this based on second paragraph below.

,---- 
| * Public domain.
| 
| If you put the program in the public domain, we prefer to have a signed
| piece of paper--a disclaimer of rights--from you confirming this.  If
| the program is not very important, we can do without one; the worst that
| could happen is that we might some day be forced to stop using it.
| 
| The law says that anyone can copyright a modified version of the public
| domain work.  (This doesn't restrict the original, which remains in the
| public domain; only the changes are copyrighted.)  If we make extensive
| changes, we will probably do this and add our usual copyleft.  If we
| make small changes, we will leave the version we distribute in the
| public domain.
`----

The patch could be in the mailing list archives and IF you or anyone
finds it useful to improve the existing patches, you are under full
freedom to "own" the changes for the purpose of legal enforcement.

You don't have to track me down for assignment requests etc.

Whether you will do it is of secondary consideration (to me).  That you
can distribute it without any other extraneous considerations is
important to me.

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Bibliography support is being repeatedly requested and ox-jabref.el
provides that.  I have little doubt that OpenDocument exporter and
Bibliography support that I have added will be useful.

Please move ox-freemind.el to GNU ELPA.

Message #25 received at 15384 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Bastien <bzg <at> altern.org>
To: Jambunathan K <kjambunathan <at> gmail.com>
Cc: 15384 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Stefan Monnier <monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca>
Subject: Re: bug#15384: 24.3.50; Org ODT exporter patches (released under cc0)
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 10:12:16 +0200

Jambunathan K <kjambunathan <at> gmail.com> writes:

> You don't have to track me down for assignment requests etc.
>
> Whether you will do it is of secondary consideration (to me).  That you
> can distribute it without any other extraneous considerations is
> important to me.

One important consideration is to make sure that your country allows
you to put your work in the public domain.

This is not allowed in every country: e.g. in France, I cannot place
my work under public domain or use the CC0 license.

I expect this not to be a problem for you, but I'm not 100% sure.

-- 
 Bastien

Message #28 received at 15384 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Jambunathan K <kjambunathan <at> gmail.com>
To: 15384 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#15384: 24.3.50; Org ODT exporter patches (released under cc0)
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 14:39:38 +0530

> One important consideration is to make sure that your country allows
> you to put your work in the public domain.

I have stated my intention and it is unambiguous.  I have stated in what
ways I will or will not co-operate to achieve my stated intentions.

When circumstances change (circumstances do change), I have given the
FSF a free-hand to use my work to further their goals and that too in a
hassle-free manner.

I care a shit about India, France or US.  It is my work and it my
produce.  It is funded by my own earnings.  I have the right to do what
I want with it.

If FSF is interested they can do their due diligence.

        http://wiki.creativecommons.org/India

If they write to me with queries or re-consider some aspects,
co-operation would be the first consideration in my mind.

Jambunathan K.

Message #33 received at 15384-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
To: 15384-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#15384: 24.3.50; Org ODT exporter patches (released under cc0)
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 17:43:08 -0400

Some GNU projects require FSF copyright assignment, and some do not.
Emacs does. This applies equally to the elpa branch / elpa.gnu.org.

(A copyright disclaimer _is_ another option, but this also requires
sending signed paperwork to the FSF, simply saying "this is in the
public domain" is not enough. And it has to be re-done for each change.)

There's nothing to do from the Emacs side but close this as wontfix.

Any further discussion should probably go to gnu-misc-discuss.

Message #36 received at 15384 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Jambunathan K <kjambunathan <at> gmail.com>
To: 15384 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#15384: closed (Re: bug#15384: 24.3.50; Org ODT exporter
 patches (released under cc0))
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 12:16:28 +0530

On 9/18/13, GNU bug Tracking System <help-debbugs <at> gnu.org> wrote:
> Your bug report
>
> #15384: 24.3.50; Org ODT exporter patches (released under cc0)
>
> which was filed against the emacs package, has been closed.
>
> The explanation is attached below, along with your original report.
> If you require more details, please reply to 15384 <at> debbugs.gnu.org.
>
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Message #39 received at 15384 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Jambunathan K <kjambunathan <at> gmail.com>
To: 15384 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#15384: closed (Re: bug#15384: 24.3.50; Org ODT exporter
 patches (released under cc0))
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 12:19:05 +0530

If GNU Emacs policies are ever reviewed and revised, keep my patches
in my mind.  I will extend every help to have them integrated.

On 9/18/13, Jambunathan K <kjambunathan <at> gmail.com> wrote:
> On 9/18/13, GNU bug Tracking System <help-debbugs <at> gnu.org> wrote:
>> Your bug report
>>
>> #15384: 24.3.50; Org ODT exporter patches (released under cc0)
>>
>> which was filed against the emacs package, has been closed.
>>
>> The explanation is attached below, along with your original report.
>> If you require more details, please reply to 15384 <at> debbugs.gnu.org.
>>
>> --
>> 15384: http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=15384
>> GNU Bug Tracking System
>> Contact help-debbugs <at> gnu.org with problems
>>
>

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