From unknown Sat Sep 20 14:55:21 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#15371 <15371@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#15371 <15371@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: 24.3.50; Index the `default' face in Elisp manual Reply-To: bug#15371 <15371@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2025 21:55:21 +0000 retitle 15371 24.3.50; Index the `default' face in Elisp manual reassign 15371 emacs submitter 15371 Drew Adams severity 15371 minor tag 15371 wontfix thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Sep 13 12:42:52 2013 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Sep 2013 16:42:52 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34179 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VKWSJ-0005Jp-Hg for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 13 Sep 2013 12:42:51 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:40951) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VKWSH-0005Jd-6z for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 13 Sep 2013 12:42:50 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VKWS1-00029P-Tf for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 13 Sep 2013 12:42:43 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_20 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:50475) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VKWS1-00029L-RX for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 13 Sep 2013 12:42:33 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:42604) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VKWRt-00063O-9C for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 13 Sep 2013 12:42:33 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VKWRk-0001oE-Li for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 13 Sep 2013 12:42:25 -0400 Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:34745) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VKWRk-0001oA-Du for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 13 Sep 2013 12:42:16 -0400 Received: from acsinet22.oracle.com (acsinet22.oracle.com [141.146.126.238]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.1/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.1) with ESMTP id r8DGgFWi010476 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2013 16:42:15 GMT Received: from aserz7022.oracle.com (aserz7022.oracle.com [141.146.126.231]) by acsinet22.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r8DGgE2A026157 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2013 16:42:14 GMT Received: from abhmt112.oracle.com (abhmt112.oracle.com [141.146.116.64]) by aserz7022.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r8DGgEk7026153 for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2013 16:42:14 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <2a3f2b8e-7ef6-49e1-95d0-81065504870c@default> Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2013 09:42:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 24.3.50; Index the `default' face in Elisp manual X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.8 (707110) [OL 12.0.6680.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: acsinet22.oracle.com [141.146.126.238] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x-2.6.x [generic] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) 1. Subject line says it all. Please index face `default'. It is the most important face, and the default face is an important concept when trying to understand faces in general. 2. There are also buffer-local displays of face `default'. These too should be indexed. 3. This text in node `Face Remapping' is misleading, and should be fixed:= =20 ";; Increase the size of the `default' face by 50%:" The size of the face is not increased at all here. All that is happening is face remapping, so face `default' gets displayed larger in the current buffer. The face itself is a global thing, and its size is not changed by this operation. In GNU Emacs 24.3.50.1 (i686-pc-mingw32) of 2013-08-31 on ODIEONE Bzr revision: 114088 rgm@gnu.org-20130901021232-sazo0qla2qgcko95 Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 6.1.7601 Configured using: `configure --prefix=3D/c/Devel/emacs/binary --enable-checking=3Dyes,glyphs 'CFLAGS=3D-O0 -g3' LDFLAGS=3D-Lc:/Devel/emacs/lib CPPFLAGS=3D-Ic:/Devel/emacs/include' From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Feb 07 23:28:35 2014 Received: (at 15371) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Feb 2014 04:28:35 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55935 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WBzWt-00045Q-3R for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 07 Feb 2014 23:28:35 -0500 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:36479) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WBzWr-00045I-J7 for 15371@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 07 Feb 2014 23:28:34 -0500 Received: from [204.14.154.233] (helo=building.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1WBzWc-0004y9-Dc; Sat, 08 Feb 2014 05:28:18 +0100 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Drew Adams Subject: Re: bug#15371: 24.3.50; Index the `default' face in Elisp manual References: <2a3f2b8e-7ef6-49e1-95d0-81065504870c@default> Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2014 20:27:10 -0800 In-Reply-To: <2a3f2b8e-7ef6-49e1-95d0-81065504870c@default> (Drew Adams's message of "Fri, 13 Sep 2013 09:42:13 -0700 (PDT)") Message-ID: <87eh3e5iw1.fsf@building.gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13001 (Ma Gnus v0.10) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-MailScanner-ID: 1WBzWc-0004y9-Dc X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1392438499.53605@8EoQ6e8l9i0GI8iPEldmUA X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 15371 Cc: 15371@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) Drew Adams writes: > 1. Subject line says it all. Please index face `default'. It is the > most important face, and the default face is an important concept when > trying to understand faces in general. I don't think that sounds very useful. I can't imagine anybody going to the index to look up "default". -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/ From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Feb 07 23:28:43 2014 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Feb 2014 04:28:43 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55938 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WBzX0-00045n-Pd for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 07 Feb 2014 23:28:43 -0500 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:36489) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WBzWy-00045f-V3 for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 07 Feb 2014 23:28:41 -0500 Received: from [204.14.154.233] (helo=building.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1WBzWk-0004yR-KA for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 08 Feb 2014 05:28:27 +0100 Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2014 20:27:18 -0800 Message-Id: <87d2iy5ivt.fsf@building.gnus.org> To: control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: control message for bug #15371 X-MailScanner-ID: 1WBzWk-0004yR-KA X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1392438507.19279@Had9HIuYCrd1udz0mB4w1g X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) tags 15371 wontfix close 15371 From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Feb 09 18:05:44 2014 Received: (at 15371) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Feb 2014 23:05:45 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60945 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WCdRY-00064u-4i for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 09 Feb 2014 18:05:44 -0500 Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:46208) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WCdRV-00064l-Gg for 15371@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 09 Feb 2014 18:05:42 -0500 Received: from acsinet21.oracle.com (acsinet21.oracle.com [141.146.126.237]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id s19N5e8i022503 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 9 Feb 2014 23:05:40 GMT Received: from userz7021.oracle.com (userz7021.oracle.com [156.151.31.85]) by acsinet21.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id s19N5drU012979 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 9 Feb 2014 23:05:39 GMT Received: from abhmp0005.oracle.com (abhmp0005.oracle.com [141.146.116.11]) by userz7021.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id s19N5c2e006019; Sun, 9 Feb 2014 23:05:39 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <644f139a-34a8-42ef-ba00-8b06e4e1eb7f@default> Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2014 15:05:36 -0800 (PST) From: Drew Adams To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: RE: bug#15371: 24.3.50; Index the `default' face in Elisp manual References: <2a3f2b8e-7ef6-49e1-95d0-81065504870c@default> <87eh3e5iw1.fsf@building.gnus.org> In-Reply-To: <87eh3e5iw1.fsf@building.gnus.org> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.8 (707110) [OL 12.0.6680.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: acsinet21.oracle.com [141.146.126.237] X-Spam-Score: -2.9 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 15371 Cc: 15371@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.9 (--) > > 1. Subject line says it all. Please index face `default'. It is > > the most important face, and the default face is an important > > concept when trying to understand faces in general. >=20 > I don't think that sounds very useful. I can't imagine anybody > going to the index to look up "default". Read the report. They would be going to look up "default face", not "default". You cannot imagine much, it seems. You also could not imagine that any code outside the distributed Emacs code would ever make use of `read-face-name'. Face `default' is an important Emacs concept. It is "unimaginable" that it not be indexed. From unknown Sat Sep 20 14:55:21 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: Did not alter fixed versions and reopened. Date: Sun, 09 Feb 2014 23:07:02 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # Did not alter fixed versions and reopened. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Feb 10 02:54:10 2014 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Feb 2014 07:54:10 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33913 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WClgw-0005AR-29 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 10 Feb 2014 02:54:10 -0500 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:55973) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WClgt-0005AG-Fs for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 10 Feb 2014 02:54:07 -0500 Received: from [204.14.154.233] (helo=building.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1WClge-00014O-Sj for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 10 Feb 2014 08:53:53 +0100 Date: Sun, 09 Feb 2014 23:52:39 -0800 Message-Id: <877g931k1k.fsf@building.gnus.org> To: control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: control message for bug #15371 X-MailScanner-ID: 1WClge-00014O-Sj X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1392623634.14072@FqneXfYnHeFOppNlzcaAmw X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) close 15371 From unknown Sat Sep 20 14:55:21 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. 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