From unknown Fri Jun 13 11:50:37 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#15358: 24.3.50; Remove message: "You can run the command `make-frame' with " Resent-From: Keith David Bershatsky Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 20:38:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 15358 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 15358@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.137893185519120 (code B ref -1); Wed, 11 Sep 2013 20:38:02 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Sep 2013 20:37:35 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56591 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VJrAL-0004yI-Ma for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 11 Sep 2013 16:37:34 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:54196) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VJrAH-0004xy-Cx for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 11 Sep 2013 16:37:30 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VJrA5-0001LK-3g for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 11 Sep 2013 16:37:24 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,T_DKIM_INVALID, T_FRT_FOLLOW1 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:48817) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VJrA4-0001LD-UG for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 11 Sep 2013 16:37:17 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:55686) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VJr9y-0008Et-IK for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 11 Sep 2013 16:37:16 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VJr9p-0001FJ-BM for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 11 Sep 2013 16:37:10 -0400 Received: from cobb.liquidweb.com ([50.28.13.150]:38311) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VJr9p-0001Ez-4V for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 11 Sep 2013 16:37:01 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=lawlist.com; s=default; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Subject:To:From:Message-ID:Date; bh=X52g5ZBSj09CauTV1lvV/pv6I1ZLAbYd6xxG+38mkL4=; b=nVx5rONV8/POh/du1VQDtwfrdVB2tAOuG46AHnhohhp7YA1MGWNbgLOBa+Xq2qAYJ029TzHgUbN/yMC1VU2ZronApbsX4Jyx1tt9TKN97KpDOKPMh6KkkKFcN5dfdm7s; Received: from cpe-75-85-5-102.socal.res.rr.com ([75.85.5.102]:51988 helo=MP.local) by cobb.liquidweb.com with esmtp (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1VJr9k-0007TG-OC for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 11 Sep 2013 16:36:57 -0400 Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 13:36:59 -0700 Message-ID: From: Keith David Bershatsky User-Agent: / () / () APEL/10.8 Emacs/24.3.50 (x86_64-apple-darwin10.8.0) MULE/6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by - "") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - cobb.liquidweb.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - lawlist.com X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: cobb.liquidweb.com: acl_c_relayhosts_text_entry: lawlist|lawlist.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) When typing M-x make-frame, a message appears: "You can run the command `make-frame' with ". However, M-x ns-new-frame appears to be a non-existent function. Thanks, Keith David Bershatsky esq@lawlist.com ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;; In GNU Emacs 24.3.50.1 (x86_64-apple-darwin10.8.0, NS apple-appkit-1038.36) of 2013-08-22 on MP.local Bzr revision: 113971 monnier@iro.umontreal.ca-20130822040645-0fc4fi87eir72jnb Windowing system distributor `Apple', version 10.3.1038 Configured using: `configure --with-ns' Important settings: locale-coding-system: nil default enable-multibyte-characters: t Major mode: Text Minor modes in effect: whitespace-mode: t global-linum-mode: t linum-mode: t delete-selection-mode: t flyspell-mode: t desktop-save-mode: t frame-bufs-mode: t tabbar-mode: t yas-global-mode: t yas-minor-mode: t global-highlight-parentheses-mode: t highlight-parentheses-mode: t osx-key-mode: t tooltip-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t menu-bar-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t auto-composition-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t line-number-mode: t transient-mark-mode: t Recent input: s-` s-` s-c s-` s-` s-` s-` s-` s-` s-` s-` M-/ ; s-v SPC t h e SPC f o l l o w i n g SPC M m e s s a g e : T h a n k s , K e i t h SPC D . 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11:50:37 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#15358: 24.3.50; Remove message: "You can run the command `make-frame' with " Resent-From: Glenn Morris Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 01:31:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 15358 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Keith David Bershatsky Cc: 15358@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 15358-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B15358.137894942815949 (code B ref 15358); Thu, 12 Sep 2013 01:31:01 +0000 Received: (at 15358) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Sep 2013 01:30:28 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57204 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VJvjl-000498-Mf for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 11 Sep 2013 21:30:26 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:33763 ident=Debian-exim) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VJvjj-000491-LO for 15358@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 11 Sep 2013 21:30:23 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VJvji-0004Yn-Ag; Wed, 11 Sep 2013 21:30:22 -0400 From: Glenn Morris References: X-Spook: undercover Iran Peking blackjack SRI Attorney General X-Ran: _Xs,n8K%c6pac#AYhup}8G>5(h{F4H#W4HPf]KY},Z2gIz37!L'9AaE]GX9|Q/K+&|ipz' X-Hue: blue X-Attribution: GM Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 21:30:22 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Keith David Bershatsky's message of "Wed, 11 Sep 2013 13:36:59 -0700") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -5.8 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.8 (-----) Keith David Bershatsky wrote: > When typing M-x make-frame, a message appears: "You can run the > command `make-frame' with ". > > However, M-x ns-new-frame appears to be a non-existent function. ns-new-frame is supposed to be some kind of key that you can press, not a function you can run. I don't think it is a real key, but rather some "Special Nextstep-generated event" that pretends to be a key, for some reason. I dunno. From unknown Fri Jun 13 11:50:37 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#15358: 24.3.50; Remove message: "You can run the command `make-frame' with " Resent-From: Stefan Monnier Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 03:34:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 15358 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Glenn Morris Cc: Keith David Bershatsky , 15358@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 15358-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B15358.137895681627933 (code B ref 15358); Thu, 12 Sep 2013 03:34:01 +0000 Received: (at 15358) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Sep 2013 03:33:36 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57405 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VJxex-0007GS-3h for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 11 Sep 2013 23:33:35 -0400 Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.182]:23963) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VJxev-0007GC-Fk for 15358@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 11 Sep 2013 23:33:33 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av8EABK/CFG4rxBo/2dsb2JhbABEuzWDWRdzgh4BAQQBViMQCw4mEhQYDSSIHgbBLZEKA6R6gV6DEw X-IPAS-Result: Av8EABK/CFG4rxBo/2dsb2JhbABEuzWDWRdzgh4BAQQBViMQCw4mEhQYDSSIHgbBLZEKA6R6gV6DEw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.84,565,1355115600"; d="scan'208";a="27391116" Received: from 184-175-16-104.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO ceviche.home) ([184.175.16.104]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP/TLS/ADH-AES256-SHA; 11 Sep 2013 23:29:59 -0400 Received: by ceviche.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 5A5F2660E6; Wed, 11 Sep 2013 23:33:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Stefan Monnier Message-ID: References: Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 23:33:26 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Glenn Morris's message of "Wed, 11 Sep 2013 21:30:22 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) >> When typing M-x make-frame, a message appears: "You can run the >> command `make-frame' with ". >> However, M-x ns-new-frame appears to be a non-existent function. > ns-new-frame is supposed to be some kind of key that you can press, not > a function you can run. > I don't think it is a real key, but rather some "Special > Nextstep-generated event" that pretends to be a key, for some reason. > I dunno. Indeed. And the "helpful" message should be silenced somehow (just like we try to avoid mentioning menu-bar bindings in those messages). Stefan From unknown Fri Jun 13 11:50:37 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#15358: 24.3.50; Remove message: "You can run the command `make-frame' with " Resent-From: Jan =?UTF-8?Q?Dj=C3=A4rv?= Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 06:57:03 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 15358 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Glenn Morris Cc: Keith David Bershatsky , "15358@debbugs.gnu.org" <15358@debbugs.gnu.org> Received: via spool by 15358-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B15358.137896897416167 (code B ref 15358); Thu, 12 Sep 2013 06:57:03 +0000 Received: (at 15358) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Sep 2013 06:56:14 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57708 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VK0p3-0004Cg-A4 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 12 Sep 2013 02:56:13 -0400 Received: from mail01.bdtv.se ([176.10.222.34]:42876) by debbugs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VK0oy-0004CQ-Qq for 15358@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 12 Sep 2013 02:56:09 -0400 Received: (qmail 27047 invoked by uid 89); 12 Sep 2013 06:56:07 -0000 Received: from h-46-59-42-57.na.cust.bahnhof.se (HELO coolsville.localdomain) (boel.djarv@bdtv.se@46.59.42.57) by mail01.bdtv.se with ESMTPA; 12 Sep 2013 06:56:07 -0000 Received: from [172.16.2.197] (unknown [176.57.193.190]) by coolsville.localdomain (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D66F71A0099; Thu, 12 Sep 2013 06:56:06 +0000 (UTC) References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <7E26327B-5AD6-4A12-8A6A-E8B55702D523@swipnet.se> X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (10B350) From: Jan =?UTF-8?Q?Dj=C3=A4rv?= Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 08:56:04 +0200 X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) Hello.=20 12 sep 2013 kl. 03:30 skrev Glenn Morris : > Keith David Bershatsky wrote: >=20 >> When typing M-x make-frame, a message appears: "You can run the >> command `make-frame' with ". >>=20 >> However, M-x ns-new-frame appears to be a non-existent function. >=20 > ns-new-frame is supposed to be some kind of key that you can press, not > a function you can run. >=20 > I don't think it is a real key, but rather some "Special > Nextstep-generated event" that pretends to be a key, for some reason. > I dunno. When the user right-clicks on the Emacs icon in the dock, there is a New fra= me command there. nsterm.m turns that event into an Emacs Lisp event,=20 that keyboard.c with system-key-alist turns into ns-new-frame. The binding is in the global key map. Is there a better place? Jan D.=20 From unknown Fri Jun 13 11:50:37 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#15358: 24.3.50; Remove message: "You can run the command `make-frame' with " Resent-From: Stefan Monnier Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 18:00:05 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 15358 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Jan =?UTF-8?Q?Dj=C3=A4rv?= Cc: Glenn Morris , Keith David Bershatsky , "15358@debbugs.gnu.org" <15358@debbugs.gnu.org> Received: via spool by 15358-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B15358.137900879332660 (code B ref 15358); Thu, 12 Sep 2013 18:00:05 +0000 Received: (at 15358) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Sep 2013 17:59:53 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59428 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VKBBJ-0008Ug-3w for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 12 Sep 2013 13:59:53 -0400 Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.182]:14997) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VKBBG-0008UO-7O for 15358@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 12 Sep 2013 13:59:50 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av8EABK/CFG4rxBo/2dsb2JhbABEuzWDWRdzgh4BAQQBViMFCws0EhQYDSSIHgbBLZEKA6R6gV6DEw X-IPAS-Result: Av8EABK/CFG4rxBo/2dsb2JhbABEuzWDWRdzgh4BAQQBViMFCws0EhQYDSSIHgbBLZEKA6R6gV6DEw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.84,565,1355115600"; d="scan'208";a="27513542" Received: from 184-175-16-104.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([184.175.16.104]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP/TLS/ADH-AES256-SHA; 12 Sep 2013 13:56:12 -0400 Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id ECB9A62DAB; Thu, 12 Sep 2013 13:59:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Stefan Monnier Message-ID: References: <7E26327B-5AD6-4A12-8A6A-E8B55702D523@swipnet.se> Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 13:59:37 -0400 In-Reply-To: <7E26327B-5AD6-4A12-8A6A-E8B55702D523@swipnet.se> ("Jan =?UTF-8?Q?Dj=C3=A4rv?="'s message of "Thu, 12 Sep 2013 08:56:04 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) > When the user right-clicks on the Emacs icon in the dock, there is a New > frame command there. nsterm.m turns that event into an Emacs Lisp event, > that keyboard.c with system-key-alist turns into ns-new-frame. > The binding is in the global key map. Is there a better place? The place looks about right, but these events aren't "key presses", so just like we don't mention "menu keybindings", we shouldn't mention these either. Menu-bar bindings are normally not mentioned in such messages and these "gui event" bindings shouldn't either. So maybe we should move those bindings to a submap (e.g. with a `gui' prefix, similar to the `menu-bar' prefix for menu events), which we can then add to Vmouse_events (in src/keymap.c). Stefan