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24.3.50; Remove message: "You can run the command `make-frame' with <ns-new-frame>"

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From: Keith David Bershatsky <esq <at> lawlist.com>
To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org
Subject: 24.3.50; Remove message: "You can run the command `make-frame' with
 <ns-new-frame>"
Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 13:36:59 -0700

When typing M-x make-frame, a message appears:  "You can run the command `make-frame' with <ns-new-frame>".

However, M-x ns-new-frame appears to be a non-existent function.

Thanks,

Keith David Bershatsky
esq <at> lawlist.com

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In GNU Emacs 24.3.50.1 (x86_64-apple-darwin10.8.0, NS apple-appkit-1038.36)
 of 2013-08-22 on MP.local
Bzr revision: 113971 monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca-20130822040645-0fc4fi87eir72jnb
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<escape> <up> <up> <right> <down> <S-down> <S-left> 
s-c <menu-bar> <help-menu> <send-emacs-bug-report>

Recent messages:
Constructing summary structure...done
Scoring...done
You have arrived at the folder: "/last:50/%inbox.Sent".
You can run the command `make-frame' with <ns-new-frame>
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Saving file /Users/HOME/.0.data/fan_eva/1add.txt...
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Message #8 received at 15358 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
To: Keith David Bershatsky <esq <at> lawlist.com>
Cc: 15358 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#15358: 24.3.50;
 Remove message: "You can run the command `make-frame' with
 <ns-new-frame>"
Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 21:30:22 -0400

Keith David Bershatsky wrote:

> When typing M-x make-frame, a message appears:  "You can run the
> command `make-frame' with <ns-new-frame>".
>
> However, M-x ns-new-frame appears to be a non-existent function.

ns-new-frame is supposed to be some kind of key that you can press, not
a function you can run.

I don't think it is a real key, but rather some "Special
Nextstep-generated event" that pretends to be a key, for some reason.
I dunno.

Message #11 received at 15358 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Stefan Monnier <monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca>
To: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
Cc: Keith David Bershatsky <esq <at> lawlist.com>, 15358 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#15358: 24.3.50;
 Remove message: "You can run the command `make-frame' with
 <ns-new-frame>"
Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 23:33:26 -0400

>> When typing M-x make-frame, a message appears:  "You can run the
>> command `make-frame' with <ns-new-frame>".
>> However, M-x ns-new-frame appears to be a non-existent function.
> ns-new-frame is supposed to be some kind of key that you can press, not
> a function you can run.
> I don't think it is a real key, but rather some "Special
> Nextstep-generated event" that pretends to be a key, for some reason.
> I dunno.

Indeed.  And the "helpful" message should be silenced somehow (just
like we try to avoid mentioning menu-bar bindings in those messages).


        Stefan

Message #14 received at 15358 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Jan Djärv <jan.h.d <at> swipnet.se>
To: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
Cc: Keith David Bershatsky <esq <at> lawlist.com>,
 "15358 <at> debbugs.gnu.org" <15358 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>
Subject: Re: bug#15358: 24.3.50;
 Remove message: "You can run the command `make-frame' with
 <ns-new-frame>"
Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 08:56:04 +0200

Hello. 

12 sep 2013 kl. 03:30 skrev Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>:

> Keith David Bershatsky wrote:
> 
>> When typing M-x make-frame, a message appears:  "You can run the
>> command `make-frame' with <ns-new-frame>".
>> 
>> However, M-x ns-new-frame appears to be a non-existent function.
> 
> ns-new-frame is supposed to be some kind of key that you can press, not
> a function you can run.
> 
> I don't think it is a real key, but rather some "Special
> Nextstep-generated event" that pretends to be a key, for some reason.
> I dunno.

When the user right-clicks on the Emacs icon in the dock, there is a New frame command there. nsterm.m turns that event into an Emacs Lisp event, 
that keyboard.c with system-key-alist turns into ns-new-frame.

The binding is in the global key map. Is there a better place?

     Jan D. 

Message #17 received at 15358 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Stefan Monnier <monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca>
To: Jan Djärv <jan.h.d <at> swipnet.se>
Cc: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>, Keith David Bershatsky <esq <at> lawlist.com>,
 "15358 <at> debbugs.gnu.org" <15358 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>
Subject: Re: bug#15358: 24.3.50;
 Remove message: "You can run the command `make-frame' with
 <ns-new-frame>"
Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 13:59:37 -0400

> When the user right-clicks on the Emacs icon in the dock, there is a New
> frame command there.  nsterm.m turns that event into an Emacs Lisp event,
> that keyboard.c with system-key-alist turns into ns-new-frame.
> The binding is in the global key map.  Is there a better place?

The place looks about right, but these events aren't "key presses",
so just like we don't mention "menu keybindings", we shouldn't mention
these either.

Menu-bar bindings are normally not mentioned in such messages and these
"gui event" bindings shouldn't either.  So maybe we should move those
bindings to a submap (e.g. with a `gui' prefix, similar to the
`menu-bar' prefix for menu events), which we can then add to
Vmouse_events (in src/keymap.c).


        Stefan

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