From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Sep 03 15:10:06 2013 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Sep 2013 19:10:06 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39457 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VGvzJ-0006uG-FK for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 03 Sep 2013 15:10:06 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:39685) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VGvzF-0006tc-1t for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 03 Sep 2013 15:10:02 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VGvz5-0007Hc-Iz for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 03 Sep 2013 15:09:55 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,FREEMAIL_FROM, T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:38436) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VGvz5-0007HY-Fr for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 03 Sep 2013 15:09:51 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:41325) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VGvz1-0004tF-HB for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 03 Sep 2013 15:09:51 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VGvyx-0007FP-OW for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 03 Sep 2013 15:09:47 -0400 Received: from mail-ye0-x231.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4002:c04::231]:41494) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VGvyr-0007EZ-MB; Tue, 03 Sep 2013 15:09:37 -0400 Received: by mail-ye0-f177.google.com with SMTP id l2so713803yen.22 for ; Tue, 03 Sep 2013 12:09:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:from:to:subject:user-agent:return-receipt-to:reply-to:date :message-id:mime-version:content-type; bh=y7FnDEld3/vGx32rZUaLPhwWsPzXbosCJQNKzmAj+Nk=; b=qqmgNN8IRThwZ391YDyvbVqKBHZ6lHyu9mdhlIlBG10lzxRn3KRFD74l4SdGgm33kA Jh+HPfLFtn4JVQtzPkoJzrGpbEZ809AaHyhuEZ7xoj3vx8cgJOZG3IsU+AL4bCdmnmzp kJcsR4MZIIxhGoQYf670MrbhhVYMQV+xC//TGBXN7016yVfno2JKv64KjSuU81IQmKAC tsqPilEYRjC+y9lgFdWgOr/kb/L0itxzjij+SR50MrdrWe9KnuFJ1GNtFUVHEUTFq5Gp DBa3MewClWtOYIck1To/vI4T60W6kzClUdZv2kkYKbQU4fYRkXunyE3cfNPn10C0aCUK 3bCA== X-Received: by 10.236.153.169 with SMTP id f29mr1876463yhk.82.1378235376175; Tue, 03 Sep 2013 12:09:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from t520sds ([74.113.160.197]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id c6sm24365707yhl.22.1969.12.31.16.00.00 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 03 Sep 2013 12:09:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Sam Steingold To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 24.3.50; desktop does not save buffer-display-time User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) X-Attribution: Sam X-Disclaimer: You should not expect anyone to agree with me. Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2013 15:09:33 -0400 Message-ID: <878uzdg1si.fsf@gnu.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -2.4 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: sds@gnu.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.4 (--) desktop saves the buffers, but not their buffer-display-time. i.e., when Emacs is started and desktop loads all the old buffers, their buffer-display-time is set to the Emacs start time. this leads to ancient buffers not being cleaned up by clean-buffer-list. In GNU Emacs 24.3.50.12 (x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.6.4) of 2013-09-03 on t520sds Bzr revision: 114115 dmantipov@yandex.ru-20130903124135-n1l2ri1aroxpa9pa Windowing system distributor `The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.11303000 System Description: Ubuntu 13.04 Configured using: `configure --with-wide-int' Important settings: value of $LC_COLLATE: C value of $LANG: C locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix default enable-multibyte-characters: t Major mode: Group Minor modes in effect: gnus-undo-mode: t diff-auto-refine-mode: t rcirc-track-minor-mode: t global-edit-server-edit-mode: t which-function-mode: t url-handler-mode: t show-paren-mode: t desktop-save-mode: t shell-dirtrack-mode: t tooltip-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t menu-bar-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t blink-cursor-mode: t auto-composition-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t buffer-read-only: t column-number-mode: t line-number-mode: t Features: (shadow 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From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Sep 03 15:26:14 2013 Received: (at 15262) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Sep 2013 19:26:15 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39487 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VGwEv-0007MA-HV for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 03 Sep 2013 15:26:14 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:33673 ident=Debian-exim) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VGwEr-0007Lr-FE for 15262@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 03 Sep 2013 15:26:10 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VGwEp-0006Ky-Ph; Tue, 03 Sep 2013 15:26:07 -0400 From: Glenn Morris To: sds@gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#15262: 24.3.50; desktop does not save buffer-display-time References: <878uzdg1si.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spook: AIEWS TWA CID assassinate interception Consul broadside X-Ran: {kdLsh&{&}]R%q=Gr"jT=MW&3l+HLR|#/HRX91NM_y X-Hue: cyan X-Debbugs-No-Ack: yes X-Attribution: GM Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2013 15:26:07 -0400 In-Reply-To: <878uzdg1si.fsf@gnu.org> (Sam Steingold's message of "Tue, 03 Sep 2013 15:09:33 -0400") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -7.4 (-------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 15262 Cc: 15262@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -7.4 (-------) Sam Steingold wrote: > desktop saves the buffers, but not their buffer-display-time. > i.e., when Emacs is started and desktop loads all the old buffers, > their buffer-display-time is set to the Emacs start time. So add buffer-display-time to your value of desktop-locals-to-save. > this leads to ancient buffers not being cleaned up by clean-buffer-list. It's not obvious to me that everyone will want the same behaviour as you do. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Sep 03 15:46:35 2013 Received: (at 15262) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Sep 2013 19:46:35 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39510 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VGwYd-0000UP-CW for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 03 Sep 2013 15:46:35 -0400 Received: from mail-la0-f47.google.com ([209.85.215.47]:51374) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VGwYa-0000U8-L6 for 15262@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 03 Sep 2013 15:46:33 -0400 Received: by mail-la0-f47.google.com with SMTP id eo20so5082111lab.34 for <15262@debbugs.gnu.org>; Tue, 03 Sep 2013 12:46:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type; bh=dFU+pm66M1y1ibRDeeTvjxvDCvjL84luXToD64qmzvk=; b=xa8qJ29k59tepNv38mjd6tGsgaK6uN0fBLThF7jartb70mZfJbresOxwUN2QAowmNq KIJGqlrLfo9ZT0aZ+jW+E0nallxRi37mMq986TjWyyIYDON6axcrEKd2dojJWPlVlXfV QJMBQgwNkxBLZX82HrUzzOxiAmJ1RK6G7Xxm85myTz6ExoSlY5AgIYzuMpaTwD/9KSpX 0AasyR9XtDZ6blqUfzdp9UDGvjBDqp6l6iftRbrbZK+bTiDRw5j1evS48q0AxziiM4Pe IPdf1JH3Nwvw+y8Zjklm/5AHdH6NCsA6t9cj3s5M2MH3S1ahYkho4GvyGSVNkb2fxvcT OOLw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.184.135 with SMTP id eu7mr65815lbc.65.1378237586241; Tue, 03 Sep 2013 12:46:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.164.173 with HTTP; Tue, 3 Sep 2013 12:46:26 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <878uzdg1si.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 15:46:26 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: m_Y9rOfgmHMOvo2f4VyILDLkW80 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#15262: 24.3.50; desktop does not save buffer-display-time From: Sam Steingold To: Glenn Morris Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 15262 Cc: 15262@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Glenn Morris wrote: > Sam Steingold wrote: > >> desktop saves the buffers, but not their buffer-display-time. >> i.e., when Emacs is started and desktop loads all the old buffers, >> their buffer-display-time is set to the Emacs start time. > > So add buffer-display-time to your value of desktop-locals-to-save. thanks! Alas, there is no interface for pushing values to custom variables... I would have to do either (custom-set-variables '(desktop-locals-to-save (cons 'buffer-display-time desktop-locals-to-save) nil (desktop))) or (eval-after-load "desktop" '(add-to-list 'desktop-locals-to-save 'buffer-display-time)) neither of which is perfect. (the first can push repeatedly and the second bypasses the custom system) >> this leads to ancient buffers not being cleaned up by clean-buffer-list. > > It's not obvious to me that everyone will want the same behaviour as > you do. Can you describe a situation when the current behavior is more useful than the proposed one? thanks. -- Sam Steingold From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Sep 03 15:52:02 2013 Received: (at 15262) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Sep 2013 19:52:03 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39519 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VGwdu-0000ce-4L for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 03 Sep 2013 15:52:02 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:34276 ident=Debian-exim) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VGwdr-0000cN-Nv for 15262@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 03 Sep 2013 15:52:00 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VGwdq-0006lz-NP; Tue, 03 Sep 2013 15:51:58 -0400 From: Glenn Morris To: Sam Steingold Subject: Re: bug#15262: 24.3.50; desktop does not save buffer-display-time References: <878uzdg1si.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spook: csim Uzi chameleon man World Trade Center Mantis nuclear X-Ran: [Z;CZh#`#F%l,5(YdhI3PZ/Ivu+f`xLVG[Z>|Z"EY$:H7EcB%.iV*"6#bSpv=j9-,{f X-Hue: yellow X-Debbugs-No-Ack: yes X-Attribution: GM Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2013 15:51:58 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Sam Steingold's message of "Tue, 3 Sep 2013 15:46:26 -0400") Message-ID: <7hvc2hu1i9.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -7.4 (-------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 15262 Cc: 15262@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -7.4 (-------) Sam Steingold wrote: > Alas, there is no interface for pushing values to custom variables... Still waiting for someone to implement the "diff-list" custom type. http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=7812#26 > Can you describe a situation when the current behavior is more useful > than the proposed one? Maybe someone wants starting a new Emacs to reset the clocks on all their buffers, so none are considered "old". (I've never used clean-buffer-list.) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Sep 03 16:04:17 2013 Received: (at 15262) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Sep 2013 20:04:17 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39530 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VGwpk-0000wd-SJ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 03 Sep 2013 16:04:17 -0400 Received: from mail-lb0-f182.google.com ([209.85.217.182]:43372) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VGwpi-0000wQ-RW for 15262@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 03 Sep 2013 16:04:15 -0400 Received: by mail-lb0-f182.google.com with SMTP id c11so4816064lbj.13 for <15262@debbugs.gnu.org>; Tue, 03 Sep 2013 13:04:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type; bh=DzGydgCC4K5Vj6ej0GC/nDWC3hDG2L6gAkXHski1RgE=; b=Pt4M/TH9qOn2oAdtTTk5G6nP02Z4GVDBA94xzp3GPO2B0BM8hBjB+tc0OVhzM9Ru01 bEojQLDPVrv0okSlhxbfjO0t1PBfrM/3ZQaULCES6hqwAn1IeClKIEsXr1vUJ45EDRfP ADxBjy4dgHJewHhG2S0+Cvy+k/iuOWauQTYKxb0OcU3vzdacKawrgQqp5pN+25RQrQlw McpaYgTPZ1MYDqp0C+KqfMpcOtfcnzU9qHP962WbDeKVcx/hszdIQZ9bte2IIbD3lnoZ Qgf0X2bs1fbIrDiGKVdodGKPo8VgGSQoREzgJNLbiXglJIdZ5+pxh80rm/OBL6vHpXF7 Uz/A== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.152.7.8 with SMTP id f8mr2794196laa.31.1378238648584; Tue, 03 Sep 2013 13:04:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.164.173 with HTTP; Tue, 3 Sep 2013 13:04:08 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <7hvc2hu1i9.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> References: <878uzdg1si.fsf@gnu.org> <7hvc2hu1i9.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 16:04:08 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 19pw18ARiESnDoyVl2-hcairyP8 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#15262: 24.3.50; desktop does not save buffer-display-time From: Sam Steingold To: Glenn Morris Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 15262 Cc: 15262@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 3:51 PM, Glenn Morris wrote: > Sam Steingold wrote: > >> Alas, there is no interface for pushing values to custom variables... > > Still waiting for someone to implement the "diff-list" custom type. > http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=7812#26 thanks for the link, see also http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help/86660 >> Can you describe a situation when the current behavior is more useful >> than the proposed one? > > Maybe someone wants starting a new Emacs to reset the clocks on all > their buffers, so none are considered "old". why would one want to do that? > (I've never used clean-buffer-list.) it's in midnight.el -- Sam Steingold From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Sep 03 16:30:19 2013 Received: (at 15262) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Sep 2013 20:30:20 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39551 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VGxEx-0001b7-9E for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 03 Sep 2013 16:30:19 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:34999 ident=Debian-exim) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VGxEu-0001az-AJ for 15262@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 03 Sep 2013 16:30:17 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VGxEs-0000nh-QH; Tue, 03 Sep 2013 16:30:14 -0400 From: Glenn Morris To: Sam Steingold Subject: Re: bug#15262: 24.3.50; desktop does not save buffer-display-time References: <878uzdg1si.fsf@gnu.org> <7hvc2hu1i9.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> X-Spook: threat digicash Mantis Legion of Doom Plame Compsec X-Ran: F]e7FB]'1HZei)5@*@k (Sam Steingold's message of "Tue, 3 Sep 2013 16:04:08 -0400") Message-ID: <0q38pld4x5.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -7.4 (-------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 15262 Cc: 15262@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -7.4 (-------) Sam Steingold wrote: >> Maybe someone wants starting a new Emacs to reset the clocks on all >> their buffers, so none are considered "old". > > why would one want to do that? You don't think there's anyone alive who would think it weird to start an Emacs at 11.59pm, then have a bunch of buffers killed 1 minute later as "too old"? (Make whatever change you like to the default value, I don't care.) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Sep 03 16:39:43 2013 Received: (at 15262) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Sep 2013 20:39:43 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39559 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VGxO2-0001qC-Gy for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 03 Sep 2013 16:39:43 -0400 Received: from mail-la0-f41.google.com ([209.85.215.41]:40903) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VGxNs-0001pp-Ig for 15262@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 03 Sep 2013 16:39:33 -0400 Received: by mail-la0-f41.google.com with SMTP id ec20so5251013lab.28 for <15262@debbugs.gnu.org>; Tue, 03 Sep 2013 13:39:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type; bh=6K0xRSNKZOKitsDci3Wx0Qt3WTGYiE/1j003z+E6Cr0=; b=KuUXk2HYXCzmIGFerTTnhYVXjQKBal5fMPbLQHzPFG53yaQQ7bfiudhft0xiiRpcmB Eej3J5x69q3zt2uTR36BJr0OGeZzGnCfMupYDcoMdVzGiy41XEaTeodaKoorq/UcWXrI DCeooTSz5pJQAm+pXi2DzW8HCyt+2ELElnI8+e46kpSVQjBun19Dumu3nvfXLmT8EgAn pMQbcCssC9DEgARPQWkyhPjru3B3OLpNU25wKroXcbn5oUpeRYizIiQkpN6buHcs231g 1xurxG3OErAhjBCabVhwgRIlEuNaWWORHoUXaYbAaWVSR3BA1+UMQN4BMfi5Y1TqBmoC oJ7g== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.152.29.103 with SMTP id j7mr27239858lah.7.1378240766393; Tue, 03 Sep 2013 13:39:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.164.173 with HTTP; Tue, 3 Sep 2013 13:39:26 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <0q38pld4x5.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> References: <878uzdg1si.fsf@gnu.org> <7hvc2hu1i9.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <0q38pld4x5.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 16:39:26 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: -IFgzsO8Eze1ISRfxMcFfU6kxUQ Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#15262: 24.3.50; desktop does not save buffer-display-time From: Sam Steingold To: Glenn Morris Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 15262 Cc: 15262@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 4:30 PM, Glenn Morris wrote: > Sam Steingold wrote: > >>> Maybe someone wants starting a new Emacs to reset the clocks on all >>> their buffers, so none are considered "old". >> >> why would one want to do that? > > You don't think there's anyone alive who would think it weird to start > an Emacs at 11.59pm, then have a bunch of buffers killed 1 minute later > as "too old"? well, let's see: the last time the user saw the buffers was 3 days ago. and he explicitly (by enabling midnight) requested that they are purged. what's weird? ah, I see! suppose the user have not used emacs for a week. then all buffers will be killed. maybe it would make sense to advance the saved buffer-display-time by the period while emacs was inactive. wdyt? > (Make whatever change you like to the default value, I don't care.) thanks. -- Sam Steingold From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Sep 03 19:35:02 2013 Received: (at 15262) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Sep 2013 23:35:02 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39672 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VH07g-0006Do-W4 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 03 Sep 2013 19:35:01 -0400 Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.182]:61855) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VH07d-0006DX-Ri for 15262@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 03 Sep 2013 19:34:58 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av8EABK/CFHO+KK6/2dsb2JhbABEuzWDWRdzgh4BAQQBViMFCwsOJhIUGA0kiB4GsR+QDpEKA6R6gV6DEw X-IPAS-Result: Av8EABK/CFHO+KK6/2dsb2JhbABEuzWDWRdzgh4BAQQBViMFCwsOJhIUGA0kiB4GsR+QDpEKA6R6gV6DEw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.84,565,1355115600"; d="scan'208";a="26377615" Received: from 206-248-162-186.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([206.248.162.186]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP/TLS/ADH-AES256-SHA; 03 Sep 2013 19:31:52 -0400 Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 1FEE263160; Tue, 3 Sep 2013 18:55:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Stefan Monnier To: Sam Steingold Subject: Re: bug#15262: 24.3.50; desktop does not save buffer-display-time Message-ID: References: <878uzdg1si.fsf@gnu.org> <7hvc2hu1i9.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <0q38pld4x5.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2013 18:55:41 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Sam Steingold's message of "Tue, 3 Sep 2013 16:39:26 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 15262 Cc: Glenn Morris , 15262@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) > maybe it would make sense to advance the saved buffer-display-time > by the period while emacs was inactive. IOW save the "inactive time" rather than the "last display time". That would make sense and would be OK for the default. Stefan From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Aug 18 13:26:44 2019 Received: (at 15262-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Aug 2019 17:26:44 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58530 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hzOx2-0001iB-9h for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 18 Aug 2019 13:26:44 -0400 Received: from mail-pg1-f180.google.com ([209.85.215.180]:36544) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hzOx0-0001hx-2P for 15262-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 18 Aug 2019 13:26:42 -0400 Received: by mail-pg1-f180.google.com with SMTP id l21so5533459pgm.3 for <15262-done@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 18 Aug 2019 10:26:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=uEIl6PBSqJq0JXBpcHVx2zPWOIrEeopaWpwm71pkoyg=; b=Y6zUtS7szDM25a1LeLhVk4QBuYbWhq1FvQ8SkK/0ugIPZav+HzcBvOP6v2Pg/sfgEu Yo7dMa4LVjI2Q13b7AbwKYuPX7uWVNT/5uU/6Ny+swjwfavOyjvi5Xir1rnwthSGwYTP FjJTHPgraZNDQ6wAYNcv6gCgU6x+tLtYsbpl3V6V3auh64SJVPDvPKKE5HrW7BkquJ5n dZVm2s7mzP6fgelWhxQZd8JhxB6127Wu/e2UDE/4SAi+WDQUR3bTHnQugPBx/DhToPf0 WvN4bVqPobp2rBh0C+gTbhP0F3hk/0VG2KbxL87/rlWxCOQ6f4aWPfOhqqtOFbQO+vjH oPEw== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAVsAeJ5bWNUc7wqOyIGQ2vAce+nvIaAG3CJA9OXoIEpf3vONeiH mNyfC796+TqK2FKmx5C9/wjC/0AAhxuqmlTdt28= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqx9aqwp8Y/ckQUxWvVRAv8kL1Hrbm8+5Tcu4dZLHSQmAOp1MkSG4T9Fzq0EeL6wmA76iM1VSLbrceLL7DDf6jU= X-Received: by 2002:a62:7789:: with SMTP id s131mr20419454pfc.50.1566149196255; Sun, 18 Aug 2019 10:26:36 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefan Kangas Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2019 19:26:25 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#15262: 24.3.50; desktop does not save buffer-display-time To: Sam Steingold Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 15262-done Cc: Glenn Morris , 15262-done@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) Sam Steingold writes: > On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 4:30 PM, Glenn Morris wrote: >> Sam Steingold wrote: >> >>>> Maybe someone wants starting a new Emacs to reset the clocks on all >>>> their buffers, so none are considered "old". >>> >>> why would one want to do that? >> >> You don't think there's anyone alive who would think it weird to start >> an Emacs at 11.59pm, then have a bunch of buffers killed 1 minute later >> as "too old"? > > well, let's see: the last time the user saw the buffers was 3 days ago. > and he explicitly (by enabling midnight) requested that they are purged. > what's weird? > ah, I see! suppose the user have not used emacs for a week. > then all buffers will be killed. > maybe it would make sense to advance the saved buffer-display-time > by the period while emacs was inactive. The changes suggested by Sam Steingold above is now on master, and I'm therefore closing this bug report. commit cd726ef68ece4fff6772bd08c0051c294e925505 Author: Sam Steingold Date: Sat Oct 15 23:14:48 2016 -0400 Save and restore buffer-display-time * desktop.el (desktop-locals-to-save): Add `buffer-display-time' (desktop-read): Set `desktop-file-modtime' before loading the desktop file (desktop-create-buffer): Adjust `buffer-display-time' for the downtime Thanks, Stefan Kangas From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Aug 18 17:10:18 2019 Received: (at 15262) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Aug 2019 21:10:18 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58840 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hzSRO-0003rf-4d for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 18 Aug 2019 17:10:18 -0400 Received: from aye.elm.relay.mailchannels.net ([23.83.212.6]:23739) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hzSRK-0003rO-Tb for 15262@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 18 Aug 2019 17:10:16 -0400 X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jurta@jurta.org Received: from relay.mailchannels.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B85446A20A8; Sun, 18 Aug 2019 21:10:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a11.g.dreamhost.com (100-96-89-43.trex.outbound.svc.cluster.local [100.96.89.43]) (Authenticated sender: dreamhost) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id B2E686A1EC1; Sun, 18 Aug 2019 21:10:09 +0000 (UTC) X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jurta@jurta.org Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a11.g.dreamhost.com ([TEMPUNAVAIL]. [64.90.62.162]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384) by 0.0.0.0:2500 (trex/5.17.5); Sun, 18 Aug 2019 21:10:13 +0000 X-MC-Relay: Neutral X-MailChannels-SenderId: dreamhost|x-authsender|jurta@jurta.org X-MailChannels-Auth-Id: dreamhost X-Shoe-Keen: 0b8d9d1d662bd4c5_1566162610145_786008339 X-MC-Loop-Signature: 1566162610145:3200298662 X-MC-Ingress-Time: 1566162610145 Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a11.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a11.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A46383CE9; Sun, 18 Aug 2019 14:10:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=linkov.net; h=from:to:cc :subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version :content-type; s=linkov.net; bh=8LGtBeCXCMHovMrweAMzHqvDe40=; b= brwJdOJTBzY120NL0xrWJtHppdpgsQEONd2cz07e6MN2p32MDihchPkDTc7z8yX7 bzvSi489sqmZqcERdDSSY5L88s68svS8bY5FkpTMfcZcTJbg37TF+Gl/nZSMv7fI Zqg50t1Yn4IHkEUDxrqV+mC+RSgRdR/bAA+7GIYa348= Received: from mail.jurta.org (m91-129-109-163.cust.tele2.ee [91.129.109.163]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jurta@jurta.org) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a11.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E19EF834BA; Sun, 18 Aug 2019 14:10:02 -0700 (PDT) X-DH-BACKEND: pdx1-sub0-mail-a11 From: Juri Linkov To: 15262@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#15262: 24.3.50; desktop does not save buffer-display-time Organization: LINKOV.NET References: <878uzdg1si.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2019 23:58:02 +0300 In-Reply-To: (Stefan Kangas's message of "Sun, 18 Aug 2019 19:26:25 +0200") Message-ID: <87pnl2gpu1.fsf@mail.linkov.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-VR-OUT-STATUS: OK X-VR-OUT-SCORE: 0 X-VR-OUT-SPAMCAUSE: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgeduvddrudefjedgudehiecutefuodetggdotefrodftvfcurfhrohhfihhlvgemucggtfgfnhhsuhgsshgtrhhisggvpdfftffgtefojffquffvnecuuegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecunecujfgurhephffvufhofhffjgfkfgggtgesthdtredttdertdenucfhrhhomheplfhurhhiucfnihhnkhhovhcuoehjuhhriheslhhinhhkohhvrdhnvghtqeenucfkphepledurdduvdelrddutdelrdduieefnecurfgrrhgrmhepmhhouggvpehsmhhtphdphhgvlhhopehmrghilhdrjhhurhhtrgdrohhrghdpihhnvghtpeeluddruddvledruddtledrudeifedprhgvthhurhhnqdhprghthheplfhurhhiucfnihhnkhhovhcuoehjuhhriheslhhinhhkohhvrdhnvghtqedpmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpehjuhhriheslhhinhhkohhvrdhnvghtpdhnrhgtphhtthhopeduhedviedvseguvggssghughhsrdhgnhhurdhorhhgnecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptd X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 15262 Cc: sds@gnu.org, stefan@marxist.se X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) >>>>> Maybe someone wants starting a new Emacs to reset the clocks on all >>>>> their buffers, so none are considered "old". >>>> >>>> why would one want to do that? >>> >>> You don't think there's anyone alive who would think it weird to start >>> an Emacs at 11.59pm, then have a bunch of buffers killed 1 minute later >>> as "too old"? >> >> well, let's see: the last time the user saw the buffers was 3 days ago. >> and he explicitly (by enabling midnight) requested that they are purged. >> what's weird? >> ah, I see! suppose the user have not used emacs for a week. >> then all buffers will be killed. >> maybe it would make sense to advance the saved buffer-display-time >> by the period while emacs was inactive. > > The changes suggested by Sam Steingold above is now on master, and I'm > therefore closing this bug report. > > commit cd726ef68ece4fff6772bd08c0051c294e925505 > Author: Sam Steingold > Date: Sat Oct 15 23:14:48 2016 -0400 > > Save and restore buffer-display-time > > * desktop.el (desktop-locals-to-save): Add `buffer-display-time' > (desktop-read): Set `desktop-file-modtime' before loading the desktop file > (desktop-create-buffer): Adjust `buffer-display-time' for the > downtime I used to show buffer-display-time in the customized buffer list. After that change buffer-display-time displayed weird times, so I had to replace buffer-display-time with visited-file-modtime instead. But I think this issue has a minuscule importance, so unless somebody wants to add a new attribute inactive-time, it was ok to close this. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Aug 21 17:11:48 2019 Received: (at 15262) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Aug 2019 21:11:48 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36650 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1i0XtF-0003Ya-49 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 21 Aug 2019 17:11:48 -0400 Received: from mail-pf1-f169.google.com ([209.85.210.169]:37762) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1i0Xsx-0003Y4-EY for 15262@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 21 Aug 2019 17:11:30 -0400 Received: by mail-pf1-f169.google.com with SMTP id y9so1897060pfl.4 for <15262@debbugs.gnu.org>; Wed, 21 Aug 2019 14:11:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=UtPH1UFTRY92jXKmG0slEo4hxtn99jf51M6JhElLJuQ=; b=YrZd9/y1lGYlH+aLRyjdWS0SQ1AIdtUtsLtOw6U9xL+W/6k0lXEGgDew+h1oWXZQyM BQxlP49iRS8h8exEcdFfCeJcO7kF8n3KkWohoD+g6mus75NwusNuK8xVMvdqLM5C75bZ Ga7snST6K9koOezs5cOpR9EnNZh1FHBt7/25l5pxESfmhGf9ynGgADhbk0wPGxKK1YKa tXKcXkSmkrgtd7EjAQCpdRNsuNbqEd1/eoOBwb0wPJNrlfW1bpcW2fmsPZjweSJ4yfow QmV7cZIVlyLNifSAW24qSegdPC1VBrDrhWaY2HwOQ5MYJ2skmM0c7MMk2Wsuy4d2lbOs FDfA== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAX75W4evnTJXUCyWFuSogWh4Z1ttdg9l8y2roHVTNS3nbCmJMWq 9D5tdWurvj5qDgHQvVubH1Pfdrl4/aQ3WGsesaw= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqxyecdSjQuTioW7A9NDStgWfV2FU5p3hiXQ/+pLrYXtoORpub6ODEwyZ77WloWHug2gm+OBNtaz1kgehXzhlaY= X-Received: by 2002:a17:90a:c086:: with SMTP id o6mr2072715pjs.2.1566421866839; Wed, 21 Aug 2019 14:11:06 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <878uzdg1si.fsf@gnu.org> <87pnl2gpu1.fsf@mail.linkov.net> In-Reply-To: <87pnl2gpu1.fsf@mail.linkov.net> From: Stefan Kangas Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2019 23:10:55 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#15262: 24.3.50; desktop does not save buffer-display-time To: Juri Linkov Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 15262 Cc: Sam Steingold , 15262@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) Juri Linkov writes: > > commit cd726ef68ece4fff6772bd08c0051c294e925505 > > Author: Sam Steingold > > Date: Sat Oct 15 23:14:48 2016 -0400 > > > > Save and restore buffer-display-time > > > > * desktop.el (desktop-locals-to-save): Add `buffer-display-time' > > (desktop-read): Set `desktop-file-modtime' before loading the desktop file > > (desktop-create-buffer): Adjust `buffer-display-time' for the > > downtime > > I used to show buffer-display-time in the customized buffer list. > After that change buffer-display-time displayed weird times, > so I had to replace buffer-display-time with visited-file-modtime > instead. But I think this issue has a minuscule importance, > so unless somebody wants to add a new attribute inactive-time, > it was ok to close this. Thanks for that. What does "customized buffer list" mean here more exactly? And does this suggest that there is a bug in the above commit? Best regards, Stefan Kangas From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Aug 21 18:46:10 2019 Received: (at 15262) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Aug 2019 22:46:10 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36738 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1i0ZMm-0002lx-Uy for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 21 Aug 2019 18:46:09 -0400 Received: from antelope.elm.relay.mailchannels.net ([23.83.212.4]:56304) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1i0ZMi-0002gS-9a for 15262@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 21 Aug 2019 18:46:06 -0400 X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jurta@jurta.org Received: from relay.mailchannels.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20740220A3; Wed, 21 Aug 2019 22:46:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a89.g.dreamhost.com (100-96-4-105.trex.outbound.svc.cluster.local [100.96.4.105]) (Authenticated sender: dreamhost) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 981EC2247D; Wed, 21 Aug 2019 22:46:02 +0000 (UTC) X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jurta@jurta.org Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a89.g.dreamhost.com ([TEMPUNAVAIL]. [64.90.62.162]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384) by 0.0.0.0:2500 (trex/5.17.5); Wed, 21 Aug 2019 22:46:03 +0000 X-MC-Relay: Neutral X-MailChannels-SenderId: dreamhost|x-authsender|jurta@jurta.org X-MailChannels-Auth-Id: dreamhost X-Vacuous-Unite: 7467dda93587d182_1566427562858_2322558982 X-MC-Loop-Signature: 1566427562858:983602740 X-MC-Ingress-Time: 1566427562858 Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a89.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a89.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D561480F5F; Wed, 21 Aug 2019 15:45:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=linkov.net; h=from:to:cc :subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version :content-type; s=linkov.net; bh=61CyRkVyIhhhWm34bg9kUqzZXLs=; b= LLZQQwf4aVsiZciSvSguEJVeUPVELFuqrfz1iSsIKCoR65TPdr1kW5O79D2JOfDM P1T9U/5eOy/cUo+TDMvpEq7Xo/OSKanavCnIIDSsDf052jYRiPDFvNU3kfviBAjc sPxONpKnBbo2mDrzqGKPdsRbUpGyw1Wr48ADYLIpSCU= Received: from mail.jurta.org (m91-129-109-163.cust.tele2.ee [91.129.109.163]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jurta@jurta.org) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a89.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8D45780F60; Wed, 21 Aug 2019 15:45:56 -0700 (PDT) X-DH-BACKEND: pdx1-sub0-mail-a89 From: Juri Linkov To: Stefan Kangas Subject: Re: bug#15262: 24.3.50; desktop does not save buffer-display-time Organization: LINKOV.NET References: <878uzdg1si.fsf@gnu.org> <87pnl2gpu1.fsf@mail.linkov.net> Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2019 01:28:43 +0300 In-Reply-To: (Stefan Kangas's message of "Wed, 21 Aug 2019 23:10:55 +0200") Message-ID: <87lfvm6tlw.fsf@mail.linkov.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-VR-OUT-STATUS: OK X-VR-OUT-SCORE: -100 X-VR-OUT-SPAMCAUSE: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgeduvddrudeggedgudehucetufdoteggodetrfdotffvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuggftfghnshhusghstghrihgsvgdpffftgfetoffjqffuvfenuceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucesvcftvggtihhpihgvnhhtshculddquddttddmnecujfgurhephffvufhofhffjgfkfgggtgesthdtredttdertdenucfhrhhomheplfhurhhiucfnihhnkhhovhcuoehjuhhriheslhhinhhkohhvrdhnvghtqeenucfkphepledurdduvdelrddutdelrdduieefnecurfgrrhgrmhepmhhouggvpehsmhhtphdphhgvlhhopehmrghilhdrjhhurhhtrgdrohhrghdpihhnvghtpeeluddruddvledruddtledrudeifedprhgvthhurhhnqdhprghthheplfhurhhiucfnihhnkhhovhcuoehjuhhriheslhhinhhkohhvrdhnvghtqedpmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpehjuhhriheslhhinhhkohhvrdhnvghtpdhnrhgtphhtthhopehsthgvfhgrnhesmhgrrhigihhsthdrshgvnecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptd X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 15262 Cc: Sam Steingold , 15262@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) >> I used to show buffer-display-time in the customized buffer list. >> After that change buffer-display-time displayed weird times, >> so I had to replace buffer-display-time with visited-file-modtime >> instead. But I think this issue has a minuscule importance, >> so unless somebody wants to add a new attribute inactive-time, >> it was ok to close this. > > Thanks for that. What does "customized buffer list" mean here more > exactly? And does this suggest that there is a bug in the above > commit? This is from an external package, so no core Emacs packages are affected. I'm not sure if it could be called a bug, maybe just a misfeature. From unknown Mon Aug 18 06:58:12 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2019 11:24:05 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator