From unknown Sat Aug 16 20:56:45 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#15230 <15230@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#15230 <15230@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: 24.3; Inconsistency in Tools menu Reply-To: bug#15230 <15230@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2025 03:56:45 +0000 retitle 15230 24.3; Inconsistency in Tools menu reassign 15230 emacs submitter 15230 "neutrico.pl Marcin Antczak" severity 15230 minor thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Aug 31 13:47:18 2013 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 31 Aug 2013 17:47:18 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33461 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VFpGX-0001wJ-6R for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 31 Aug 2013 13:47:18 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:38503) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VFj4a-0006L5-UE for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 31 Aug 2013 07:10:33 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VFj4R-0005sn-Bx for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 31 Aug 2013 07:10:27 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,FREEMAIL_FROM, T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:55394) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VFj4R-0005sj-8S for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 31 Aug 2013 07:10:23 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:40200) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VFj4M-0001rG-EN for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 31 Aug 2013 07:10:23 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VFj4H-0005rG-WA for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 31 Aug 2013 07:10:18 -0400 Received: from mail-ea0-x22e.google.com ([2a00:1450:4013:c01::22e]:38030) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VFj4H-0005r8-OQ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 31 Aug 2013 07:10:13 -0400 Received: by mail-ea0-f174.google.com with SMTP id z15so1389643ead.33 for ; Sat, 31 Aug 2013 04:10:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:subject:user-agent:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type; bh=OhkSIPa+gqGRXujGCYvgyftcCqlcz9MBaspqsXF8q/o=; b=I3ScJArxlL7YkPRoIoHJD2wbBoMOiY/+ZO1BPEj06DGpVebFTF0zjX35Wyh4VunAwk gXHohbW2Ttr0R83dmp+ObI2LCQd1EjJ0XB9hmIBy6BRk1uRyQJxMedid7QBd5ngs8KQX +jthvWf8uUsE9OmYU+YUf+n8KCqv/d/f0rq9VgJgQ5JxOmj89fmzhz41NKzz7P6uk2AT u+mrbTbFoTZ10qUnUKurStSsPmCAyD7lxuetJnlyiGYdkDQ+ZqaXflf3WYC81vZZgk0G 1LQVhRDQRZEd5nfhGfuIw7TUBjGvjGDT66JYDMc9EmEPtWsSylt0skyeXn/J+GALQXI9 kasA== X-Received: by 10.14.208.194 with SMTP id q42mr20245695eeo.31.1377947412525; Sat, 31 Aug 2013 04:10:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from marcin-pc ([80.87.37.238]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id bn13sm4265550eeb.11.1969.12.31.16.00.00 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 31 Aug 2013 04:10:12 -0700 (PDT) From: "neutrico.pl Marcin Antczak" To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 24.3; Inconsistency in Tools menu User-agent: mu4e 0.9.9.5; emacs 24.3.1 Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 13:08:38 +0200 Message-ID: <87ppsu15jd.fsf@neutrico.pl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -2.4 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 13:47:14 -0400 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.4 (--) This bug report will be sent to the Bug-GNU-Emacs mailing list and the GNU bug tracker at debbugs.gnu.org. Please check that the From: line contains a valid email address. After a delay of up to one day, you should receive an acknowledgment at that address. There is "Games" position in "Tools" menu. I'm not sure if it should belong to this menu. It should be removed or accessible as something optional. Another problem is that in "Tools" menu there are toggle type buttons such as: - Project Support (EDE) - Source Code Parsers (Semantic) These options are not "tools". They do nothing functional. They are just turning some features on and off but have no immediate functional meaning. Another problem is that we have more similar options to add ther and this could turn into an extensible and almost unlimited list of external features available to turn on and off. We could add positions such as: - Code Browser - Code Snippets - Syntax Checking etc. Then we will get a long and hard to navigate list of toggle buttons which belong to "Options" menu rather than to "Tools". Another solution is to move this list to submenu. For example: "Tools" -> "Features >> " In GNU Emacs 24.3.1 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.6.4) of 2013-08-22 on menkib, modified by Debian Windowing system distributor `The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.11303000 System Description: Ubuntu 13.04 Configured using: `configure '--build' 'x86_64-linux-gnu' '--build' 'x86_64-linux-gnu' '--prefix=/usr' '--sharedstatedir=/var/lib' '--libexecdir=/usr/lib' '--localstatedir=/var/lib' '--infodir=/usr/share/info' '--mandir=/usr/share/man' '--with-pop=yes' '--enable-locallisppath=/etc/emacs24:/etc/emacs:/usr/local/share/emacs/24.3/site-lisp:/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp:/usr/share/emacs/24.3/site-lisp:/usr/share/emacs/site-lisp' '--with-crt-dir=/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu' '--with-x=yes' '--with-x-toolkit=gtk3' '--with-toolkit-scroll-bars' 'build_alias=x86_64-linux-gnu' 'CFLAGS=-g -O2 -fstack-protector --param=ssp-buffer-size=4 -Wformat -Werror=format-security -Wall' 'LDFLAGS=-Wl,-Bsymbolic-functions -Wl,-z,relro' 'CPPFLAGS=-D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2'' Important settings: value of $LANG: pl_PL.UTF-8 locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix default enable-multibyte-characters: t -- Marcin Antczak http://www.neutrico.pl From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Sep 13 01:06:11 2013 Received: (at 15230) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Sep 2013 05:06:12 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60434 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VKLa4-00010y-IS for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 13 Sep 2013 01:06:09 -0400 Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.182]:59933) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VKLa1-00010S-6r for 15230@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 13 Sep 2013 01:06:05 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av4EABK/CFG4rxBo/2dsb2JhbABEvw4Xc4IeAQEEAScvIwULCzQSFBgNJC6HcAbBLZEKA6R6gV6DEw X-IPAS-Result: Av4EABK/CFG4rxBo/2dsb2JhbABEvw4Xc4IeAQEEAScvIwULCzQSFBgNJC6HcAbBLZEKA6R6gV6DEw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.84,565,1355115600"; d="scan'208";a="27592767" Received: from 184-175-16-104.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([184.175.16.104]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP/TLS/ADH-AES256-SHA; 13 Sep 2013 01:02:28 -0400 Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 3EFE162E33; Fri, 13 Sep 2013 01:05:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Stefan Monnier To: "neutrico.pl Marcin Antczak" Subject: Re: bug#15230: 24.3; Inconsistency in Tools menu Message-ID: References: <87ppsu15jd.fsf@neutrico.pl> Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2013 01:05:59 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87ppsu15jd.fsf@neutrico.pl> (neutrico pl Marcin Antczak's message of "Sat, 31 Aug 2013 13:08:38 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 15230 Cc: 15230@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) > There is "Games" position in "Tools" menu. > I'm not sure if it should belong to this menu. I see your point, but I'm not sure where else to put it. > Another problem is that in "Tools" menu there are toggle type buttons > such as: > - Project Support (EDE) > - Source Code Parsers (Semantic) > These options are not "tools". They do nothing functional. They are > just turning some features on and off but have no immediate > functional meaning. > Another problem is that we have more similar options to add there and > this could turn into an extensible and almost unlimited list of > external features available to turn on and off. I guess we could move them to Options, but the toggles in Options tend to be of a different nature (basically UI preferences), whereas the EDE and Semantic are really toggles to turn on some tool, simply because those tools aren't quite tuned enough yet to always "just work", so turning them on unconditionally would lead to complaints. > We could add positions such as: > - Code Browser Not sure what package/function/feature that would refer to. > - Code Snippets These are usually enabled already. > - Syntax Checking You mean something like flymake? This definitely falls in the same camp as EDE/Semantic, since it should also ideally be enabled by default, but there again, it's not polished/robust enough for that. > Then we will get a long and hard to navigate list of toggle buttons which > belong to "Options" menu rather than to "Tools". The Options menu is indeed problematic since Emacs has so many options: we can only keep in it a few options we consider to benefit from such a position (e.g. to make them easier to find for newcomers, or to make them easier to toggle at runtime). > Another solution is to move this list to submenu. > For example: > "Tools" -> "Features >> " That sounds like a good idea. Tho it would have the downside that it would somewhat hide those features. Stefan From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jan 23 08:28:04 2020 Received: (at 15230) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Jan 2020 13:28:04 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51977 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iucWi-0002aD-FM for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 23 Jan 2020 08:28:04 -0500 Received: from ted.gofardesign.uk ([67.225.143.91]:49996) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iucWg-0002Zj-Ua for 15230@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 23 Jan 2020 08:28:03 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=marxist.se; s=default; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Date:References: In-Reply-To:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=mJ7PRblxSBPyz+PDRHpcwtnowfO4phwVHVrwI50ycHg=; b=pdWukLw8aPuJYILlxxR5s3swFD BCHh8BT19KofYH/TxN2M8V7BWCxcwE4mSultuwJ45cR/ThNx0zer9Xc504m/kYOdBwKudV5WEbZyZ 7+5g8Ua58PPbc6cZWXmYbIuPomGASWff4A0L87U6EWsntCWhrMaAix4YmpBc6Ro3lHu/sWokWH312 tHJGHVUk/6QW6wSLtiI6kyzSrvKtQXZjSradwldnl6FumhfCfSdwXTZMBgXBc9kgQBlW/6KsqJEZk EM9pc0MOkl+eSOe8BNSNesFP2bty4/n0gNpAujn08p+JcYvRviPbMaNte9NH9DezDXEAWhJxm/yzN Elupo0Bg==; Received: from h-70-69.a785.priv.bahnhof.se ([155.4.70.69]:54104 helo=localhost) by ted.gofardesign.uk with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1iucWb-0017ht-4g; Thu, 23 Jan 2020 08:27:57 -0500 From: Stefan Kangas To: Stefan Monnier Subject: Re: bug#15230: 24.3; Inconsistency in Tools menu In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Fri, 13 Sep 2013 01:05:59 -0400") References: <87ppsu15jd.fsf@neutrico.pl> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2020 14:27:55 +0100 Message-ID: <87pnfagv50.fsf@marxist.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - ted.gofardesign.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - debbugs.gnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - marxist.se X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: ted.gofardesign.uk: authenticated_id: stefan@marxist.se X-Authenticated-Sender: ted.gofardesign.uk: stefan@marxist.se X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 15230 Cc: 15230@debbugs.gnu.org, "neutrico.pl Marcin Antczak" X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Stefan Monnier writes: >> There is "Games" position in "Tools" menu. >> I'm not sure if it should belong to this menu. > > I see your point, but I'm not sure where else to put it. > >> Another problem is that in "Tools" menu there are toggle type buttons >> such as: > >> - Project Support (EDE) >> - Source Code Parsers (Semantic) > >> These options are not "tools". They do nothing functional. They are >> just turning some features on and off but have no immediate >> functional meaning. > >> Another problem is that we have more similar options to add there and >> this could turn into an extensible and almost unlimited list of >> external features available to turn on and off. > > I guess we could move them to Options, but the toggles in Options tend > to be of a different nature (basically UI preferences), whereas the EDE and > Semantic are really toggles to turn on some tool, simply because those > tools aren't quite tuned enough yet to always "just work", so turning > them on unconditionally would lead to complaints. > >> We could add positions such as: >> - Code Browser > > Not sure what package/function/feature that would refer to. > >> - Code Snippets > > These are usually enabled already. > >> - Syntax Checking > > You mean something like flymake? This definitely falls in the same camp > as EDE/Semantic, since it should also ideally be enabled by default, but > there again, it's not polished/robust enough for that. > >> Then we will get a long and hard to navigate list of toggle buttons which >> belong to "Options" menu rather than to "Tools". > > The Options menu is indeed problematic since Emacs has so many options: > we can only keep in it a few options we consider to benefit from such > a position (e.g. to make them easier to find for newcomers, or to make > them easier to toggle at runtime). > >> Another solution is to move this list to submenu. >> For example: >> "Tools" -> "Features >> " > > That sounds like a good idea. Tho it would have the downside that it > would somewhat hide those features. Having read the above 6 year old feature request, I don't see anything actionable here. Stefan M seems to have already answered all relevant points, and there have been no further comments. I'll give it a couple of weeks, so anyone interested will have a last chance to chime in, and then I'm closing this bug. Best regards, Stefan Kangas From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Feb 28 18:24:24 2020 Received: (at 15230-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Feb 2020 23:24:24 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33960 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1j7ozX-0000CT-W8 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 28 Feb 2020 18:24:24 -0500 Received: from ted.gofardesign.uk ([67.225.143.91]:33910) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1j7ozW-0000CC-PU for 15230-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 28 Feb 2020 18:24:23 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=marxist.se; s=default; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Date:References: In-Reply-To:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=43CnkjoLotEVP5HOTG7PAArXK9EjbbOdQwX61clHu0U=; b=WHlFLbfr/2RI/d+/j3OMO+c41Y hCXxovLIDDv65TRBjaAqqewjY6tRoaJr7olYwVA9kRgIHxpRG2T9vvxPqJD5Y8tsT0eTd8dYDR0Yq It2LGhT47n6Ulpav2gK5blouCNeJ6Fm/ItRv5E3CsYGdr2jn6T9dvhMK/AyJ2MJODvvXGqvadJXuE crMMxwtneTxOFLrt4ShCFnOZwjam2RU437ipT+1G8opXtmXFT5LruKvUS4Gw8M7lW8/F75Ho0ETvR cE4lwViP3e3MM0Mb3E8ABffbsKmQNdIreUwj//H80mFIMXjgzbL0GTVHFYPO/dCBCJk07DNIgMlgc hbJaQ3KQ==; Received: from h-4-70-69.a785.priv.bahnhof.se ([155.4.70.69]:55442 helo=localhost) by ted.gofardesign.uk with esmtpsa (TLS1.2) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.93) (envelope-from ) id 1j7ozR-000lHG-6Q; Fri, 28 Feb 2020 18:24:17 -0500 From: Stefan Kangas To: Stefan Monnier Subject: Re: bug#15230: 24.3; Inconsistency in Tools menu In-Reply-To: <87pnfagv50.fsf@marxist.se> (Stefan Kangas's message of "Thu, 23 Jan 2020 14:27:55 +0100") References: <87ppsu15jd.fsf@neutrico.pl> <87pnfagv50.fsf@marxist.se> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.1 (gnu/linux) Date: Sat, 29 Feb 2020 00:24:15 +0100 Message-ID: <87wo868fds.fsf@stefankangas.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - ted.gofardesign.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - debbugs.gnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - marxist.se X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: ted.gofardesign.uk: authenticated_id: stefan@marxist.se X-Authenticated-Sender: ted.gofardesign.uk: stefan@marxist.se X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 15230-done Cc: 15230-done@debbugs.gnu.org, "neutrico.pl Marcin Antczak" X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Stefan Kangas writes: > Having read the above 6 year old feature request, I don't see anything > actionable here. Stefan M seems to have already answered all relevant > points, and there have been no further comments. > > I'll give it a couple of weeks, so anyone interested will have a last > chance to chime in, and then I'm closing this bug. No further comments within 5 weeks, so I'm closing this bug now. Best regards, Stefan Kangas From unknown Sat Aug 16 20:56:45 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2020 11:24:06 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator