From unknown Sat Aug 16 16:23:38 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#15172: 24.3.50; (cl) `Porting Common Lisp' Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 20:27:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 15172 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 15172@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.137728959429374 (code B ref -1); Fri, 23 Aug 2013 20:27:02 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Aug 2013 20:26:34 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50802 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VCxwH-0007df-DR for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 23 Aug 2013 16:26:33 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:59911) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VCxwE-0007dS-AX for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 23 Aug 2013 16:26:31 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VCxw4-0005rV-0V for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 23 Aug 2013 16:26:30 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_05, USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:52996) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VCxw3-0005rR-Tr for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 23 Aug 2013 16:26:19 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:33367) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VCxvu-00023O-4m for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 23 Aug 2013 16:26:19 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VCxvl-0005kn-9E for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 23 Aug 2013 16:26:10 -0400 Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:41830) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VCxvl-0005ka-2b for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 23 Aug 2013 16:26:01 -0400 Received: from acsinet22.oracle.com (acsinet22.oracle.com [141.146.126.238]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.1/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.1) with ESMTP id r7NKPx89007458 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2013 20:26:00 GMT Received: from userz7021.oracle.com (userz7021.oracle.com [156.151.31.85]) by acsinet22.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r7NKPwI9025531 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2013 20:25:59 GMT Received: from abhmt101.oracle.com (abhmt101.oracle.com [141.146.116.53]) by userz7021.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r7NKPwOl026571 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2013 20:25:58 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <6c879d35-9ac5-4fe4-8376-b8d920137f5a@default> Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 13:25:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.8 (707110) [OL 12.0.6680.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: acsinet22.oracle.com [141.146.126.238] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x-2.6.x [generic] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -2.4 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.4 (--) This part is unclear/misleading: "In Common Lisp, function arguments and `let' bindings apply only to references physically within their bodies (or within macro expansions in their bodies). It is unclear what "function arguments" refers to here. Does it mean the formal parameters of a function or its actual arguments? Or does it mean arguments whose values are functions? In any case, what it says about these "function arguments" seems wrong. I cannot give it a meaning if it is trying to say something about arguments that are functions. And if it is trying to say that Common Lisp always binds the arguments to a function using lexical binding then that is just wrong. In GNU Emacs 24.3.50.1 (i686-pc-mingw32) of 2013-08-17 on ODIEONE Bzr revision: 113938 eliz@gnu.org-20130817171807-fxigtkbc6yy8m9iw Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 6.1.7601 Configured using: `configure --prefix=3D/c/Devel/emacs/binary --enable-checking=3Dyes,glyphs CFLAGS=3D-O0 -g3 LDFLAGS=3D-Lc:/Devel/emacs/lib CPPFLAGS=3D-Ic:/Devel/emacs/include' From unknown Sat Aug 16 16:23:38 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#15172: 24.3.50; (cl) `Porting Common Lisp' Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 08 Feb 2014 04:47:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 15172 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Drew Adams Cc: 15172@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 15172-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B15172.139183480726603 (code B ref 15172); Sat, 08 Feb 2014 04:47:01 +0000 Received: (at 15172) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Feb 2014 04:46:47 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55978 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WBzoU-0006uy-Md for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 07 Feb 2014 23:46:47 -0500 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:51349) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WBzoS-0006uq-Oh for 15172@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 07 Feb 2014 23:46:46 -0500 Received: from [204.14.154.233] (helo=building.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1WBzoE-0005CX-1Z; Sat, 08 Feb 2014 05:46:30 +0100 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen References: <6c879d35-9ac5-4fe4-8376-b8d920137f5a@default> Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2014 20:45:21 -0800 In-Reply-To: <6c879d35-9ac5-4fe4-8376-b8d920137f5a@default> (Drew Adams's message of "Fri, 23 Aug 2013 13:25:58 -0700 (PDT)") Message-ID: <87r47e43ha.fsf@building.gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13001 (Ma Gnus v0.10) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-MailScanner-ID: 1WBzoE-0005CX-1Z X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1392439590.67824@KBUfgoMur0YL2g1wufQHRA X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) Drew Adams writes: > This part is unclear/misleading: > > "In Common Lisp, function arguments and `let' bindings apply > only to references physically within their bodies > (or within macro expansions in their bodies). > > It is unclear what "function arguments" refers to here. Does it mean > the formal parameters of a function or its actual arguments? Or does > it mean arguments whose values are functions? I think that's kinda unlikely. Introducing terminology like "formal parameters" here (that few are likely to understand) would just make this even worse. Closing. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/ From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Feb 07 23:46:53 2014 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Feb 2014 04:46:53 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55981 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WBzoa-0006vK-Fh for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 07 Feb 2014 23:46:52 -0500 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:51354) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WBzoY-0006vC-Jq for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 07 Feb 2014 23:46:50 -0500 Received: from [204.14.154.233] (helo=building.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1WBzoK-0005Cg-NG for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 08 Feb 2014 05:46:37 +0100 Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2014 20:45:28 -0800 Message-Id: <87ppmy43h3.fsf@building.gnus.org> To: control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: control message for bug #15172 X-MailScanner-ID: 1WBzoK-0005Cg-NG X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1392439597.35079@cv61SgRt0IPsUFQqyLr0Xg X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) tags 15172 wontfix close 15172 From unknown Sat Aug 16 16:23:38 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#15172: 24.3.50; (cl) `Porting Common Lisp' Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 09 Feb 2014 23:37:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 15172 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: wontfix To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Cc: 15172@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 15172-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B15172.13919889952952 (code B ref 15172); Sun, 09 Feb 2014 23:37:01 +0000 Received: (at 15172) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Feb 2014 23:36:35 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:32779 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WCdvO-0000lY-Ft for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 09 Feb 2014 18:36:34 -0500 Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:26200) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WCdvN-0000lR-41 for 15172@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 09 Feb 2014 18:36:33 -0500 Received: from ucsinet21.oracle.com (ucsinet21.oracle.com [156.151.31.93]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id s19NaVX4014850 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 9 Feb 2014 23:36:32 GMT Received: from userz7021.oracle.com (userz7021.oracle.com [156.151.31.85]) by ucsinet21.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id s19NaU3L013563 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 9 Feb 2014 23:36:31 GMT Received: from abhmp0005.oracle.com (abhmp0005.oracle.com [141.146.116.11]) by userz7021.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id s19NaUZt013556; Sun, 9 Feb 2014 23:36:30 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2014 15:36:28 -0800 (PST) From: Drew Adams References: <6c879d35-9ac5-4fe4-8376-b8d920137f5a@default> <87r47e43ha.fsf@building.gnus.org> In-Reply-To: <87r47e43ha.fsf@building.gnus.org> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.8 (707110) [OL 12.0.6680.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: ucsinet21.oracle.com [156.151.31.93] X-Spam-Score: -2.9 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.9 (--) > > It is unclear what "function arguments" refers to here. Does it > > mean the formal parameters of a function or its actual arguments? > > Or does it mean arguments whose values are functions? >=20 > I think that's kinda unlikely. Introducing terminology like "formal > parameters" here (that few are likely to understand) would just make > this even worse. Closing. Clearly you have missed the point. No one asked that you introduce "formal parameters". The point is that it is not clear what is meant here by "function arguments". Pick an expression that actually says what is in fact meant, and fix the bug. If the answer is that you mean the arguments passed to the function, then say so. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Feb 10 02:53:59 2014 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Feb 2014 07:53:59 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33907 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WClgk-00059F-EP for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 10 Feb 2014 02:53:58 -0500 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:55968) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WClgh-000593-Gn for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 10 Feb 2014 02:53:56 -0500 Received: from [204.14.154.233] (helo=building.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1WClgT-00014B-9Z for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 10 Feb 2014 08:53:41 +0100 Date: Sun, 09 Feb 2014 23:52:28 -0800 Message-Id: <878utj1k1v.fsf@building.gnus.org> To: control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: control message for bug #15172 X-MailScanner-ID: 1WClgT-00014B-9Z X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1392623622.12804@vXw6+hRtzbWXSxqIq/SsBA X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) close 15172