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24.3; nth with negative index values

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From: Wilfred Hughes <wilfred <at> editd.com>
To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org
Subject: 24.3; nth with negative index values
Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2013 12:55:53 +0100

I've noticed that nth returns the first item in a list, when it's given
a negative index.

(nth -1 '(5 6 7)) ;; 5
(nth -2 '(5 6 7)) ;; 5

Judging by my reading of the docstring, I was expecting nil (though
raising an error might be a sensible behaviour instead).

In GNU Emacs 24.3.1 (x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.8.2)
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Message #8 received at 15059 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Andreas Schwab <schwab <at> linux-m68k.org>
To: Wilfred Hughes <wilfred <at> editd.com>
Cc: 15059 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#15059: 24.3; nth with negative index values
Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2013 17:51:50 +0200

Wilfred Hughes <wilfred <at> editd.com> writes:

> I've noticed that nth returns the first item in a list, when it's given
> a negative index.
>
> (nth -1 '(5 6 7)) ;; 5
> (nth -2 '(5 6 7)) ;; 5
>
> Judging by my reading of the docstring, I was expecting nil

The list is longer than -1, so this case doesn't apply.

Andreas.

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Message #11 received at 15059 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
To: Wilfred Hughes <wilfred <at> editd.com>
Cc: 15059 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#15059: 24.3; nth with negative index values
Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2013 14:52:29 -0400

Wilfred Hughes wrote:

> (nth -1 '(5 6 7)) ;; 5
> (nth -2 '(5 6 7)) ;; 5
>
> Judging by my reading of the docstring, I was expecting nil (though
> raising an error might be a sensible behaviour instead).

Easy to raise an error (unless something was relying on the behaviour
for -ve arguments?):

*** src/fns.c	2013-08-01 22:24:02 +0000
--- src/fns.c	2013-08-09 18:43:02 +0000
***************
*** 1277,1283 ****
    (Lisp_Object n, Lisp_Object list)
  {
    EMACS_INT i, num;
!   CHECK_NUMBER (n);
    num = XINT (n);
    for (i = 0; i < num && !NILP (list); i++)
      {
--- 1277,1283 ----
    (Lisp_Object n, Lisp_Object list)
  {
    EMACS_INT i, num;
!   CHECK_NATNUM (n);
    num = XINT (n);
    for (i = 0; i < num && !NILP (list); i++)
      {

Message #14 received at 15059 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Stefan Monnier <monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca>
To: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
Cc: Wilfred Hughes <wilfred <at> editd.com>, 15059 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#15059: 24.3; nth with negative index values
Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2013 17:58:38 -0400

> Easy to raise an error (unless something was relying on the behaviour
> for -ve arguments?):

We could try.  But note that Emacs-19.34 already behaved like that (I
don't have any older version at hand to test).  Not sure it's important
to "fix".


        Stefan

Message #17 received at 15059 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
To: Stefan Monnier <monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca>
Cc: Wilfred Hughes <wilfred <at> editd.com>, 15059 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#15059: 24.3; nth with negative index values
Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2013 21:31:26 -0400

Stefan Monnier wrote:

>> Easy to raise an error (unless something was relying on the behaviour
>> for -ve arguments?):
>
> We could try.  But note that Emacs-19.34 already behaved like that (I
> don't have any older version at hand to test).  Not sure it's important
> to "fix".

Oh, the elisp manual actually documents the -ve argument case:

   -- Function: nth n list
  [...]
  If N is negative, `nth' returns the first element of LIST.
  [...]
  (nth -3 '(1 2 3 4))
               => 1

All hope is lost!

Message #24 received at 15059 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Wilfred Hughes <wilfred <at> editd.com>
To: 15059 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#15059: 24.3; nth with negative index values
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 11:10:51 +0100

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Ah, great to see this behaviour is documented. Could the docstring of nth
and nthcdr be changed to also point to this part of the elisp manual,
similar to cdr?

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Message #27 received at 15059 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Stefan Monnier <monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca>
To: Wilfred Hughes <wilfred <at> editd.com>
Cc: 15059 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#15059: 24.3; nth with negative index values
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 10:09:39 -0400

> Ah, great to see this behaviour is documented. Could the docstring of nth
> and nthcdr be changed to also point to this part of the elisp manual,
> similar to cdr?

I prefer to leave it undocumented where possible (I'd be even tempted
to remove the part of the Elisp manual that documents it).
Just don't rely on this behavior, it's a bad idea.


        Stefan

Message #30 received at 15059 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
To: Stefan Monnier <monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca>
Cc: Wilfred Hughes <wilfred <at> editd.com>, 15059 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#15059: 24.3; nth with negative index values
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 03:15:51 -0400

Stefan Monnier wrote:

> (I'd be even tempted to remove the part of the Elisp manual that
> documents it).

I was thinking the same thing, so I did that.

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