From unknown Sat Jun 21 10:44:14 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#15058: 24.3; ftp is still broken Resent-From: Devon Sean McCullough Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2013 10:12:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 15058 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 15058@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.137604311717377 (code B ref -1); Fri, 09 Aug 2013 10:12:01 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Aug 2013 10:11:57 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49005 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1V7jfo-0004WC-NY for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 09 Aug 2013 06:11:57 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:47452) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1V7jfm-0004Vz-6M for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 09 Aug 2013 06:11:55 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1V7jfZ-0002ud-Im for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 09 Aug 2013 06:11:48 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:56687) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1V7jfZ-0002uZ-GN for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 09 Aug 2013 06:11:41 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:49106) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1V7jfS-0006gT-KW for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 09 Aug 2013 06:11:41 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1V7jfM-0002rU-1b for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 09 Aug 2013 06:11:34 -0400 Received: from gateway15.websitewelcome.com ([67.18.88.8]:46230) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1V7jfL-0002r0-MF for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 09 Aug 2013 06:11:27 -0400 Received: by gateway15.websitewelcome.com (Postfix, from userid 5007) id 438D61E349C28; Fri, 9 Aug 2013 05:11:26 -0500 (CDT) Received: from leaf.websitewelcome.com (leaf.websitewelcome.com [174.121.85.66]) by gateway15.websitewelcome.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3860A1E349C02 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2013 05:11:26 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [183.12.18.52] (port=57422 helo=[192.168.1.143]) by leaf.websitewelcome.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1V7jf0-00039W-I7 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 09 Aug 2013 05:11:26 -0500 From: Devon Sean McCullough Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2013 18:10:49 +0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - leaf.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - jovi.net X-BWhitelist: no X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Source-Sender: ([192.168.1.143]) [183.12.18.52]:57422 X-Source-Auth: devon@jovi.net X-Email-Count: 1 X-Source-Cap: am92aW5ldDtkZXZvbjtsZWFmLndlYnNpdGV3ZWxjb21lLmNvbQ== X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) emacs -Q /ftp@ftp.gnu.org: Should display the FTP.GNU.ORG: directory but instead bombs - for details, look in the *ftp ftp@ftp.gnu.org* buffer. In GNU Emacs 24.3.2 (x86_64-apple-darwin10.8.0, NS apple-appkit-1038.36) of 2013-07-09 on Apple-Computers-MacBook-Air.local Windowing system distributor `Apple', version 10.3.1038 Configured using: `configure '--with-ns' 'CC=gcc'' Important settings: value of $LANG: en_US.UTF-8 locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix default enable-multibyte-characters: t Major mode: Lisp Interaction Minor modes in effect: shell-dirtrack-mode: t tooltip-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t tool-bar-mode: t menu-bar-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t blink-cursor-mode: t auto-composition-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t line-number-mode: t transient-mark-mode: t Recent input: M-x r e p o r t SPC e m SPC SPC Recent messages: For information about GNU Emacs and the GNU system, type C-h C-a. Opening FTP connection to ftp.gnu.org...done Logging in as user ftp@ftp.gnu.org...done Getting PWD... [2 times] Warning! Unable to get home directory Getting PWD... [2 times] byte-code: Unable to obtain CWD Load-path shadows: None found. Features: (shadow sort mail-extr emacsbug message rfc822 mml easymenu mml-sec mm-decode mm-bodies mm-encode mail-parse rfc2231 mailabbrev gmm-utils mailheader sendmail rfc2047 rfc2045 ietf-drums mail-utils ange-ftp tramp-ftp tramp tramp-compat auth-source eieio byte-opt bytecomp byte-compile cconv gnus-util mm-util mail-prsvr password-cache tramp-loaddefs shell pcomplete comint ansi-color ring format-spec advice help-fns cl-lib advice-preload time-date tooltip ediff-hook vc-hooks lisp-float-type mwheel ns-win tool-bar dnd fontset image regexp-opt fringe tabulated-list newcomment lisp-mode register page menu-bar rfn-eshadow timer select scroll-bar mouse jit-lock font-lock syntax facemenu font-core frame cham georgian utf-8-lang misc-lang vietnamese tibetan thai tai-viet lao korean japanese hebrew greek romanian slovak czech european ethiopic indian cyrillic chinese case-table epa-hook jka-cmpr-hook help simple abbrev minibuffer loaddefs button faces cus-face macroexp files text-properties overlay sha1 md5 base64 format env code-pages mule custom widget hashtable-print-readable backquote make-network-process ns multi-tty emacs) From unknown Sat Jun 21 10:44:14 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#15058: 24.3; ftp is still broken Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2013 10:32:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 15058 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Devon Sean McCullough Cc: 15058@debbugs.gnu.org Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Received: via spool by 15058-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B15058.137604428920197 (code B ref 15058); Fri, 09 Aug 2013 10:32:01 +0000 Received: (at 15058) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Aug 2013 10:31:29 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49019 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1V7jyj-0005Fg-6v for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 09 Aug 2013 06:31:29 -0400 Received: from mtaout20.012.net.il ([80.179.55.166]:36452) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1V7jyg-0005FK-6u for 15058@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 09 Aug 2013 06:31:27 -0400 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout20.012.net.il by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0MR900K00EI3AF00@a-mtaout20.012.net.il> for 15058@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 09 Aug 2013 13:31:17 +0300 (IDT) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0MR900KF5EK59W10@a-mtaout20.012.net.il>; Fri, 09 Aug 2013 13:31:17 +0300 (IDT) Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2013 13:31:34 +0300 From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il Message-id: <83ob97rw8p.fsf@gnu.org> References: X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) > From: Devon Sean McCullough > Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2013 18:10:49 +0800 > > emacs -Q /ftp@ftp.gnu.org: > > Should display the FTP.GNU.ORG: directory but instead bombs - > for details, look in the *ftp ftp@ftp.gnu.org* buffer. Try this instead: emacs -Q /ftp:ftp@ftp.gnu.org: IOW, you must have the METHOD: part before the URL. I think this is a cockpit error, since the Emacs User Manual clearly describes the correct syntax. From unknown Sat Jun 21 10:44:14 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#15058: 24.3; ftp is still broken Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2013 13:46:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 15058 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Devon Sean McCullough Cc: 15058@debbugs.gnu.org Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Received: via spool by 15058-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B15058.137605590214250 (code B ref 15058); Fri, 09 Aug 2013 13:46:01 +0000 Received: (at 15058) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Aug 2013 13:45:02 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49253 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1V7n01-0003hP-IG for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 09 Aug 2013 09:45:02 -0400 Received: from mtaout20.012.net.il ([80.179.55.166]:50924) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1V7mzz-0003h5-O0 for 15058@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 09 Aug 2013 09:45:00 -0400 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout20.012.net.il by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0MR900L00NFYLR00@a-mtaout20.012.net.il> for 15058@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 09 Aug 2013 16:44:53 +0300 (IDT) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0MR900LCINITLU00@a-mtaout20.012.net.il>; Fri, 09 Aug 2013 16:44:53 +0300 (IDT) Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2013 16:45:10 +0300 From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il Message-id: <83iozfrna1.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83ob97rw8p.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) > From: Devon Sean McCullough > Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2013 21:03:40 +0800 > > Really? When was /HOST: syntax deprecated? It wasn't. Actually, I take back what I wrote earlier: your original example works fine for me, even without the explicit "ftp:". Maybe it's a Darwin thing or something specific to your system setup. From unknown Sat Jun 21 10:44:14 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#15058: 24.3; ftp is still broken Resent-From: Stefan Monnier Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2013 14:13:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 15058 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: 15058@debbugs.gnu.org, Devon Sean McCullough Received: via spool by 15058-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B15058.137605753818001 (code B ref 15058); Fri, 09 Aug 2013 14:13:01 +0000 Received: (at 15058) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Aug 2013 14:12:18 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49755 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1V7nQP-0004gG-DI for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 09 Aug 2013 10:12:17 -0400 Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.182]:16505) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1V7nQN-0004g2-1o for 15058@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 09 Aug 2013 10:12:15 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av4EABK/CFFLd/Nq/2dsb2JhbABEvw4Xc4IeAQEEAVYjEAs0EhQYDSQTiAsGwS2RCgOkeoFegxM X-IPAS-Result: Av4EABK/CFFLd/Nq/2dsb2JhbABEvw4Xc4IeAQEEAVYjEAs0EhQYDSQTiAsGwS2RCgOkeoFegxM X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.84,565,1355115600"; d="scan'208";a="21215689" Received: from 75-119-243-106.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([75.119.243.106]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP/TLS/ADH-AES256-SHA; 09 Aug 2013 10:12:02 -0400 Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 4139A66AD4; Fri, 9 Aug 2013 10:12:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Stefan Monnier Message-ID: References: <83ob97rw8p.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2013 10:12:08 -0400 In-Reply-To: <83ob97rw8p.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Fri, 09 Aug 2013 13:31:34 +0300") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) >> emacs -Q /ftp@ftp.gnu.org: > Try this instead: > emacs -Q /ftp:ftp@ftp.gnu.org: I guess Tramp could try and output a useful error message to help the user fix his file name. Stefan From unknown Sat Jun 21 10:44:14 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#15058: 24.3; ftp is still broken Resent-From: Glenn Morris Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2013 15:54:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 15058 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Devon Sean McCullough , 15058@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 15058-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B15058.13760636281648 (code B ref 15058); Fri, 09 Aug 2013 15:54:01 +0000 Received: (at 15058) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Aug 2013 15:53:48 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49943 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1V7p0d-0000QV-DS for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 09 Aug 2013 11:53:48 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:39756 ident=Debian-exim) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1V7p0a-0000QN-Rz for 15058@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 09 Aug 2013 11:53:45 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1V7p0Y-0007ed-T5; Fri, 09 Aug 2013 11:53:42 -0400 From: Glenn Morris References: <83ob97rw8p.fsf@gnu.org> <83iozfrna1.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spook: 22nd SAS csystems Fortezza ASIO AMW Firewalls ISEC benelux X-Ran: oLVxtU`~(lxC3h!FgT& (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Fri, 09 Aug 2013 16:45:10 +0300") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) >> From: Devon Sean McCullough >> Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2013 21:03:40 +0800 >> >> Really? When was /HOST: syntax deprecated? That's not what you used. You used /METHOD@HOST:, which is not documented to work. http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/emacs/Remote-Files.html From unknown Sat Jun 21 10:44:14 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#15058: 24.3; ftp is still broken Resent-From: Devon Sean McCullough Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2013 17:16:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 15058 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Glenn Morris Cc: 15058@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 15058-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B15058.137606851812465 (code B ref 15058); Fri, 09 Aug 2013 17:16:02 +0000 Received: (at 15058) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Aug 2013 17:15:18 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50104 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1V7qHV-0003Ew-Gy for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 09 Aug 2013 13:15:17 -0400 Received: from gateway08.websitewelcome.com ([67.18.66.17]:50024) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1V7qHS-0003Ea-Eg for 15058@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 09 Aug 2013 13:15:15 -0400 Received: by gateway08.websitewelcome.com (Postfix, from userid 5007) id 95B7CFEF7F664; Fri, 9 Aug 2013 12:15:13 -0500 (CDT) Received: from leaf.websitewelcome.com (leaf.websitewelcome.com [174.121.85.66]) by gateway08.websitewelcome.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83AC2FEF7DF59 for <15058@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 9 Aug 2013 12:15:09 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [103.16.26.150] (port=57175 helo=[10.119.74.238]) by leaf.websitewelcome.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1V7qHM-00045F-NL; Fri, 09 Aug 2013 12:15:09 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Devon Sean McCullough In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2013 01:15:00 +0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <6C535A3F-5DA6-46C5-B476-5BAA41B965F6@jovi.net> References: <83ob97rw8p.fsf@gnu.org> <83iozfrna1.fsf@gnu.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - leaf.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - debbugs.gnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - jovi.net X-BWhitelist: no X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Source-Sender: ([10.119.74.238]) [103.16.26.150]:57175 X-Source-Auth: devon@jovi.net X-Email-Count: 1 X-Source-Cap: am92aW5ldDtkZXZvbjtsZWFmLndlYnNpdGV3ZWxjb21lLmNvbQ== X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) On 2013 Aug 9, at 11:53 PM, Glenn Morris wrote: > You used /METHOD@HOST:, which is not documented to work. That's /USER@HOST: where USER is ftp, HOST is ftp.gnu.org and FILENAME is empty to specify the landing page////dir configured by the server administrator, a useful and important capability. > http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/emacs/Remote-Files.html ... /USER@HOST:FILENAME ... 1. If the host name starts with `ftp.' (with dot), Emacs uses FTP. 2. If the user name is `ftp' or `anonymous', Emacs uses FTP. Peace --Devon From unknown Sat Jun 21 10:44:14 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#15058: 24.3; ftp is still broken Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2013 17:56:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 15058 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Glenn Morris Cc: 15058@debbugs.gnu.org, Emacs-Hacker2013@jovi.net Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Received: via spool by 15058-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B15058.137607096117622 (code B ref 15058); Fri, 09 Aug 2013 17:56:02 +0000 Received: (at 15058) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Aug 2013 17:56:01 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50149 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1V7quv-0004a9-B4 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 09 Aug 2013 13:56:01 -0400 Received: from mtaout22.012.net.il ([80.179.55.172]:53130) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1V7quu-0004Zv-0v for 15058@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 09 Aug 2013 13:56:00 -0400 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout22.012.net.il by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0MR900E00YWI9900@a-mtaout22.012.net.il> for 15058@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 09 Aug 2013 20:55:03 +0300 (IDT) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0MR900ENDZ3Q5J50@a-mtaout22.012.net.il>; Fri, 09 Aug 2013 20:55:03 +0300 (IDT) Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2013 20:55:20 +0300 From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il Message-id: <83zjsqrbp3.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83ob97rw8p.fsf@gnu.org> <83iozfrna1.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) > From: Glenn Morris > Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2013 11:53:42 -0400 > > > >> From: Devon Sean McCullough > >> Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2013 21:03:40 +0800 > >> > >> Really? When was /HOST: syntax deprecated? > > That's not what you used. You used /METHOD@HOST:, which is not > documented to work. > > http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/emacs/Remote-Files.html It's /user@host:, and it works fine for me on fencepost.gnu.org. From unknown Sat Jun 21 10:44:14 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#15058: 24.3; ftp is still broken Resent-From: Devon Sean McCullough Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2013 18:05:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 15058 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: 15058@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 15058-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B15058.137607146618603 (code B ref 15058); Fri, 09 Aug 2013 18:05:01 +0000 Received: (at 15058) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Aug 2013 18:04:26 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50166 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1V7r34-0004py-3N for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 09 Aug 2013 14:04:26 -0400 Received: from gateway12.websitewelcome.com ([67.18.55.9]:55591) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1V7r31-0004pn-Qx for 15058@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 09 Aug 2013 14:04:24 -0400 Received: by gateway12.websitewelcome.com (Postfix, from userid 5007) id C1B14CBD1E276; Fri, 9 Aug 2013 13:04:22 -0500 (CDT) Received: from leaf.websitewelcome.com (leaf.websitewelcome.com [174.121.85.66]) by gateway12.websitewelcome.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2ECCCBD1E251 for <15058@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 9 Aug 2013 13:04:22 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [103.16.26.150] (port=51714 helo=[10.119.74.238]) by leaf.websitewelcome.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1V7r30-0003VY-6i; Fri, 09 Aug 2013 13:04:22 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Devon Sean McCullough In-Reply-To: <83iozfrna1.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2013 02:04:14 +0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: References: <83ob97rw8p.fsf@gnu.org> <83iozfrna1.fsf@gnu.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - leaf.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - debbugs.gnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - jovi.net X-BWhitelist: no X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Source-Sender: ([10.119.74.238]) [103.16.26.150]:51714 X-Source-Auth: devon@jovi.net X-Email-Count: 1 X-Source-Cap: am92aW5ldDtkZXZvbjtsZWFmLndlYnNpdGV3ZWxjb21lLmNvbQ== X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) On 2013 Aug 9, at 9:45 PM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > Maybe it's a Darwin thing or something specific to your system setup. Yes, the bug is OS specific: CentOS 21.4.1 ok Debian 6.0.7 BUG MacOS 10.6.8 BUG Ubuntu 10.04 ok Peace --Devon From unknown Sat Jun 21 10:44:14 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#15058: 24.3; ftp is still broken Resent-From: Glenn Morris Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2013 18:09:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 15058 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: 15058@debbugs.gnu.org, Emacs-Hacker2013@jovi.net Received: via spool by 15058-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B15058.137607168619036 (code B ref 15058); Fri, 09 Aug 2013 18:09:02 +0000 Received: (at 15058) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Aug 2013 18:08:06 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50172 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1V7r6c-0004wt-2b for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 09 Aug 2013 14:08:06 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:43338 ident=Debian-exim) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1V7r6a-0004wk-EZ for 15058@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 09 Aug 2013 14:08:04 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1V7r6Y-00015j-Un; Fri, 09 Aug 2013 14:08:03 -0400 From: Glenn Morris References: <83ob97rw8p.fsf@gnu.org> <83iozfrna1.fsf@gnu.org> <83zjsqrbp3.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spook: rail gun asset Chobetsu analyzer high security Europol X-Ran: e0XPwhs4@dpkb6u>4<.kAiaS7TS?07Zb"[j7{A|a- (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Fri, 09 Aug 2013 20:55:20 +0300") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) Eli Zaretskii wrote: > It's /user@host:, and it works fine for me on fencepost.gnu.org. Ah, OK (I waa expecting the user to be "anonymous"). Works for me too, on 2 different systems. From unknown Sat Jun 21 10:44:14 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#15058: 24.3; ftp is still broken Resent-From: Stefan Monnier Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2013 18:24:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 15058 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: 15058@debbugs.gnu.org, Devon Sean McCullough Received: via spool by 15058-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B15058.137607260824645 (code B ref 15058); Fri, 09 Aug 2013 18:24:02 +0000 Received: (at 15058) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Aug 2013 18:23:28 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50210 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1V7rLT-0006PQ-F0 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 09 Aug 2013 14:23:27 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:43584 ident=Debian-exim) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1V7rLQ-0006P3-QD for 15058@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 09 Aug 2013 14:23:25 -0400 Received: from [98.143.210.201] (port=52403 helo=ceviche.home) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1V7rLP-0005nz-Qo; Fri, 09 Aug 2013 14:23:24 -0400 Received: by ceviche.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 667EB66084; Fri, 9 Aug 2013 14:23:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Stefan Monnier Message-ID: References: <83ob97rw8p.fsf@gnu.org> <83iozfrna1.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2013 14:23:22 -0400 In-Reply-To: <83iozfrna1.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Fri, 09 Aug 2013 16:45:10 +0300") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) >> Really? When was /HOST: syntax deprecated? > It wasn't. We slightly changed the way it works because of the ambiguity between /HOST: and /METHOD:, so IIRC /HOST: still works fine, but only if HOST is not also a valid METHOD. So you need "/ftp:ftp" in order to connect to a host named "ftp". Stefan From unknown Sat Jun 21 10:44:14 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#15058: 24.3; ftp is still broken Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2013 18:39:03 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 15058 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Stefan Monnier Cc: 15058@debbugs.gnu.org, Emacs-Hacker2013@jovi.net Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Received: via spool by 15058-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B15058.137607351526415 (code B ref 15058); Fri, 09 Aug 2013 18:39:03 +0000 Received: (at 15058) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Aug 2013 18:38:35 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50228 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1V7ra7-0006rz-3H for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 09 Aug 2013 14:38:35 -0400 Received: from mtaout22.012.net.il ([80.179.55.172]:60902) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1V7ra4-0006rh-3S for 15058@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 09 Aug 2013 14:38:33 -0400 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout22.012.net.il by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0MRA00E0012UKP00@a-mtaout22.012.net.il> for 15058@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 09 Aug 2013 21:38:25 +0300 (IDT) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0MRA00EDF141KO00@a-mtaout22.012.net.il>; Fri, 09 Aug 2013 21:38:25 +0300 (IDT) Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2013 21:38:43 +0300 From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il Message-id: <83ob96r9os.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83ob97rw8p.fsf@gnu.org> <83iozfrna1.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) > From: Stefan Monnier > Cc: Devon Sean McCullough , 15058@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2013 14:23:22 -0400 > > >> Really? When was /HOST: syntax deprecated? > > It wasn't. > > We slightly changed the way it works because of the ambiguity between > /HOST: and /METHOD:, so IIRC /HOST: still works fine, but only if HOST > is not also a valid METHOD. So you need "/ftp:ftp" in order to connect > to a host named "ftp". Again, on fencepost, I don't need the METHOD. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Aug 09 14:39:39 2013 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Aug 2013 18:39:39 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50233 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1V7rb9-0006uo-JF for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 09 Aug 2013 14:39:39 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:43999 ident=Debian-exim) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1V7rb7-0006uZ-Gh for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 09 Aug 2013 14:39:37 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1V7rb7-0007op-AS for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 09 Aug 2013 14:39:37 -0400 Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2013 14:39:37 -0400 Message-Id: Subject: control message for bug 15058 To: X-Mailer: mail (GNU Mailutils 2.1) From: Glenn Morris X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) retitle 15058 remote ftp file name syntax problem on some systems From unknown Sat Jun 21 10:44:14 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#15058: 24.3; ftp is still broken Resent-From: Glenn Morris Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2013 19:03:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 15058 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: moreinfo To: Devon Sean McCullough Cc: 15058@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 15058-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B15058.13760749404541 (code B ref 15058); Fri, 09 Aug 2013 19:03:02 +0000 Received: (at 15058) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Aug 2013 19:02:20 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50290 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1V7rx6-0001BA-EA for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 09 Aug 2013 15:02:20 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:44449 ident=Debian-exim) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1V7rx4-0001B2-Ga for 15058@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 09 Aug 2013 15:02:18 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1V7rx3-00070K-8G; Fri, 09 Aug 2013 15:02:17 -0400 From: Glenn Morris References: X-Spook: Ceridian Blowfish top secret NWO investigation Merlin UFO X-Ran: TsRCt5j[YQriH&IKgt]}'Uq\}%SQ_;Y)([58l-},wm}HugJql7)> (Devon Sean McCullough's message of "Fri, 9 Aug 2013 18:10:49 +0800") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -4.3 (----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -4.3 (----) Devon Sean McCullough wrote: > emacs -Q /ftp@ftp.gnu.org: > > Should display the FTP.GNU.ORG: directory but instead bombs - What do you actually mean by "it bombs"? > for details, look in the *ftp ftp@ftp.gnu.org* buffer. Please show us the contents, since no-one else seems to be able to reproduce this. > Opening FTP connection to ftp.gnu.org...done > Logging in as user ftp@ftp.gnu.org...done > Getting PWD... [2 times] > Warning! Unable to get home directory What's going on here? Seems to resemble http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=1972 Something to do with active/passive ftp? From unknown Sat Jun 21 10:44:14 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#15058: 24.3; ftp is still broken Resent-From: Devon Sean McCullough Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2013 20:45:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 15058 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: moreinfo To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: 15058@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 15058-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B15058.137608107919565 (code B ref 15058); Fri, 09 Aug 2013 20:45:02 +0000 Received: (at 15058) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Aug 2013 20:44:39 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50422 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1V7tY6-00055V-E6 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 09 Aug 2013 16:44:38 -0400 Received: from gateway16.websitewelcome.com ([69.56.195.17]:54389) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1V7tY2-00055J-JH for 15058@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 09 Aug 2013 16:44:35 -0400 Received: by gateway16.websitewelcome.com (Postfix, from userid 5007) id A0584D8638517; Fri, 9 Aug 2013 15:44:06 -0500 (CDT) Received: from leaf.websitewelcome.com (leaf.websitewelcome.com [174.121.85.66]) by gateway16.websitewelcome.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 919A4D86384F3 for <15058@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 9 Aug 2013 15:44:06 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [183.11.43.167] (port=49043 helo=[192.168.1.105]) by leaf.websitewelcome.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1V7tXy-0006h6-Ta; Fri, 09 Aug 2013 15:44:33 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Devon Sean McCullough In-Reply-To: <83iozfrna1.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2013 04:43:56 +0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <83ob97rw8p.fsf@gnu.org> <83iozfrna1.fsf@gnu.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - leaf.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - debbugs.gnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - jovi.net X-BWhitelist: no X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Source-Sender: ([192.168.1.105]) [183.11.43.167]:49043 X-Source-Auth: devon@jovi.net X-Email-Count: 1 X-Source-Cap: am92aW5ldDtkZXZvbjtsZWFmLndlYnNpdGV3ZWxjb21lLmNvbQ== X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) On 2013 Aug 9, at 9:45 PM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > Maybe it's a Darwin thing or something specific to your system setup. The bug seems to depend on whether /usr/bin/ftp re-writes certain server responses ... MacOS and Debian BUG: (ange-ftp-get-pwd "ftp.gnu.org" "ftp") =3D=3D> = (nil . "Remote directory: /") CentOS and Ubuntu OK: (ange-ftp-get-pwd "ftp.gnu.org" "ftp") =3D=3D> = (t . "257 \"/\"") ... apparently emacs is blind to the re-written PWD reply. Peace --Devon From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Aug 09 19:14:20 2013 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Aug 2013 23:14:20 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50581 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1V7vsy-0000ed-EL for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 09 Aug 2013 19:14:20 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:49410 ident=Debian-exim) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1V7vsx-0000eU-2o for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 09 Aug 2013 19:14:19 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1V7vsw-0003MK-OH for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 09 Aug 2013 19:14:18 -0400 Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2013 19:14:18 -0400 Message-Id: Subject: control message for bug 15058 To: X-Mailer: mail (GNU Mailutils 2.1) From: Glenn Morris X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) forcemerge 8346 15058 From unknown Sat Jun 21 10:44:14 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#15058: 24.3; ftp is still broken Resent-From: Glenn Morris Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2013 23:18:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 15058 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 15058@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 15058-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B15058.13760902342881 (code B ref 15058); Fri, 09 Aug 2013 23:18:02 +0000 Received: (at 15058) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Aug 2013 23:17:14 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50586 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1V7vvl-0000kP-Sl for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 09 Aug 2013 19:17:14 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:49455 ident=Debian-exim) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1V7vvk-0000kH-7k for 15058@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 09 Aug 2013 19:17:12 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1V7vvj-0003ml-Gi; Fri, 09 Aug 2013 19:17:11 -0400 From: Glenn Morris References: <83ob97rw8p.fsf@gnu.org> <83iozfrna1.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spook: DES target BLU-114/B CIA Security Council underground X-Ran: }p&/hm(]:**?@VDC(?y/'p@moPWlG,p.b&zA21a-vMLF]_"G:Bb7tGG*2lpRe|~KqOPI0| X-Hue: white X-Attribution: GM Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2013 19:17:11 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Devon Sean McCullough's message of "Sat, 10 Aug 2013 04:43:56 +0800") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) I think we'd have wasted less time on this had you said "bug#8346 still exists" from the start. From unknown Sat Jun 21 10:44:14 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#15058: 24.3; ftp is still broken Resent-From: Glenn Morris Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2013 23:46:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 15058 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Devon Sean McCullough Cc: Eli Zaretskii , 15058@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 15058-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B15058.13760919379594 (code B ref 15058); Fri, 09 Aug 2013 23:46:02 +0000 Received: (at 15058) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Aug 2013 23:45:37 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50615 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1V7wNE-0002Ug-SW for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 09 Aug 2013 19:45:37 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:50068 ident=Debian-exim) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1V7wND-0002UW-EP for 15058@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 09 Aug 2013 19:45:35 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1V7wNC-0003fm-2C; Fri, 09 Aug 2013 19:45:34 -0400 From: Glenn Morris References: <83ob97rw8p.fsf@gnu.org> <83iozfrna1.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spook: MD2 SCUD missile PLO red noise supercomputer David John X-Ran: D-_*46/AS-9TQq$",~_ZzdvPP\Ea'O4Q_+Z3U`}wo8f,Nu-#x,q+6t|bB#suh'5a5b,OXU X-Hue: cyan X-Attribution: GM Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2013 19:45:33 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Devon Sean McCullough's message of "Sat, 10 Aug 2013 04:43:56 +0800") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) Maybe this fixes it *** lisp/net/ange-ftp.el 2013-08-09 21:22:44 +0000 --- lisp/net/ange-ftp.el 2013-08-09 23:44:10 +0000 *************** *** 700,706 **** "Regular expression matching the start of a multiline FTP reply.") (defvar ange-ftp-good-msgs ! "^220 \\|^230 \\|^226 \\|^25. \\|^221 \\|^200 \\|^[Hh]ash mark" "Regular expression matching FTP \"success\" messages.") ;; CMS and the odd VMS machine say 200 Port rather than 200 PORT. --- 700,706 ---- "Regular expression matching the start of a multiline FTP reply.") (defvar ange-ftp-good-msgs ! "^220 \\|^230 \\|^226 \\|^25. \\|^221 \\|^200 \\|^[Hh]ash mark\\|Remote directory" "Regular expression matching FTP \"success\" messages.") ;; CMS and the odd VMS machine say 200 Port rather than 200 PORT. *************** *** 3021,3026 **** --- 3021,3027 ---- (if (car result) (save-match-data (and (or (string-match "\"\\([^\"]*\\)\"" line) + (string-match "Remote directory: \\(.*\\)" line) (string-match " \\([^ ]+\\) " line)) ; stone-age VMS servers! (setq dir (match-string 1 line))))) (cons dir line))) From unknown Sat Jun 21 10:44:14 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#15058: 24.3; ftp is still broken In-Reply-To: Resent-From: Wolfgang Jenkner Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2013 04:20:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 15058 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Devon Sean McCullough Cc: Eli Zaretskii , 15058@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 15058-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B15058.13761083744935 (code B ref 15058); Sat, 10 Aug 2013 04:20:02 +0000 Received: (at 15058) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Aug 2013 04:19:34 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50797 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1V80eL-0001HX-SN for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 10 Aug 2013 00:19:34 -0400 Received: from mx08.lb01.inode.at ([62.99.145.8]:43378 helo=mx.inode.at) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1V80eI-0001HD-PT for 15058@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 10 Aug 2013 00:19:31 -0400 Received: from [91.119.88.127] (port=14815 helo=localhost) by smartmx-08.inode.at with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1V80eC-0005Jq-No; Sat, 10 Aug 2013 06:19:24 +0200 Received: from wolfgang by localhost with local (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1V80eC-0004mC-2Q; Sat, 10 Aug 2013 06:19:24 +0200 From: Wolfgang Jenkner Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2013 06:14:23 +0200 References: <83ob97rw8p.fsf@gnu.org> <83iozfrna1.fsf@gnu.org> Message-ID: <854nay6uus.fsf@inode.at> User-Agent: Gnus/5.130008 (Ma Gnus v0.8) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) On Fri, Aug 09 2013, Devon Sean McCullough wrote: > On 2013 Aug 9, at 9:45 PM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> Maybe it's a Darwin thing or something specific to your system setup. > > The bug seems to depend on whether /usr/bin/ftp > re-writes certain server responses ... > > MacOS and Debian BUG: (ange-ftp-get-pwd "ftp.gnu.org" "ftp") ==> (nil . "Remote directory: /") If this is tnftp (aka lukemftp[1]) then there's actually no server response to report here because the client reuses a cached value and doesn't send anything to the server at this point. The value comes from automatically sending a `pwd' after logging in. You can set the `debug' flag to observe this. [1] ftp://ftp.netbsd.org/pub/NetBSD/misc/tnftp/tnftp-20091122.tar.gz > CentOS and Ubuntu OK: (ange-ftp-get-pwd "ftp.gnu.org" "ftp") ==> (t . "257 \"/\"") Wolfgang From unknown Sat Jun 21 10:44:14 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#15058: 24.3; ftp is still broken Resent-From: Wolfgang Jenkner Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2013 04:28:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 15058 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Devon Sean McCullough Cc: 15058@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 15058-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B15058.13761088625745 (code B ref 15058); Sat, 10 Aug 2013 04:28:01 +0000 Received: (at 15058) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Aug 2013 04:27:42 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50819 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1V80mE-0001UY-1o for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 10 Aug 2013 00:27:42 -0400 Received: from mx09.lb01.inode.at ([62.99.145.9]:63372 helo=mx.inode.at) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1V80mB-0001UJ-OX for 15058@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 10 Aug 2013 00:27:40 -0400 Received: from [91.119.88.127] (port=6083 helo=localhost) by smartmx-09.inode.at with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1V80m5-0004Aj-Qc; Sat, 10 Aug 2013 06:27:33 +0200 Received: from wolfgang by localhost with local (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1V80m5-00064N-JX; Sat, 10 Aug 2013 06:27:33 +0200 From: Wolfgang Jenkner References: <83ob97rw8p.fsf@gnu.org> <83iozfrna1.fsf@gnu.org> <854nay6uus.fsf@inode.at> Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2013 06:27:33 +0200 In-Reply-To: <854nay6uus.fsf@inode.at> (Wolfgang Jenkner's message of "Sat, 10 Aug 2013 06:14:23 +0200") Message-ID: <85zjsq5fwq.fsf@inode.at> User-Agent: Gnus/5.130008 (Ma Gnus v0.8) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) On Sat, Aug 10 2013, Wolfgang Jenkner wrote: > [1] ftp://ftp.netbsd.org/pub/NetBSD/misc/tnftp/tnftp-20091122.tar.gz There's actually a newer version of this (which compiles and works out of the box on a GNU/Linux system here) ftp://ftp.netbsd.org/pub/NetBSD/misc/tnftp/tnftp-20130505.tar.gz Wolfgang From unknown Sat Jun 21 10:44:14 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#15058: 24.3; ftp is still broken Resent-From: Devon Sean McCullough Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2013 08:42:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 15058 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Glenn Morris Cc: Eli Zaretskii , 15058@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 15058-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B15058.137612410831515 (code B ref 15058); Sat, 10 Aug 2013 08:42:01 +0000 Received: (at 15058) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Aug 2013 08:41:48 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51045 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1V84k7-0008CE-Vj for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 10 Aug 2013 04:41:48 -0400 Received: from gateway02.websitewelcome.com ([69.93.136.20]:45322) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1V84k4-0008C2-Ne for 15058@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 10 Aug 2013 04:41:45 -0400 Received: by gateway02.websitewelcome.com (Postfix, from userid 5007) id A6969A2654; Sat, 10 Aug 2013 03:41:34 -0500 (CDT) Received: from leaf.websitewelcome.com (leaf.websitewelcome.com [174.121.85.66]) by gateway02.websitewelcome.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AF66A260B for <15058@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sat, 10 Aug 2013 03:41:34 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [183.11.43.167] (port=6175 helo=[192.168.1.105]) by leaf.websitewelcome.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1V84k3-0008Qz-Bt; Sat, 10 Aug 2013 03:41:43 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Devon Sean McCullough In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2013 16:41:39 +0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <83ob97rw8p.fsf@gnu.org> <83iozfrna1.fsf@gnu.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - leaf.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - debbugs.gnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - jovi.net X-BWhitelist: no X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Source-Sender: ([192.168.1.105]) [183.11.43.167]:6175 X-Source-Auth: devon@jovi.net X-Email-Count: 1 X-Source-Cap: am92aW5ldDtkZXZvbjtsZWFmLndlYnNpdGV3ZWxjb21lLmNvbQ== X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) Glenn, Thanks for the patch - this nearly identical one works great on MacOS. Peace --Devon P.S. I added four characters (two carets, a colon and a space) --- ange-ftp.el.~0~ 2013-02-11 09:13:09.000000000 +0800 +++ ange-ftp.el 2013-08-10 15:50:44.000000000 +0800 @@ -700,7 +700,7 @@ "Regular expression matching the start of a multiline FTP reply.") =20 (defvar ange-ftp-good-msgs - "^220 \\|^230 \\|^226 \\|^25. \\|^221 \\|^200 \\|^[Hh]ash mark" + "^220 \\|^230 \\|^226 \\|^25. \\|^221 \\|^200 \\|^[Hh]ash = mark\\|^Remote directory: " "Regular expression matching FTP \"success\" messages.") =20 ;; CMS and the odd VMS machine say 200 Port rather than 200 PORT. @@ -3021,6 +3021,7 @@ (if (car result) (save-match-data (and (or (string-match "\"\\([^\"]*\\)\"" line) + (string-match "^Remote directory: \\(.*\\)" line) (string-match " \\([^ ]+\\) " line)) ; stone-age VMS = servers! (setq dir (match-string 1 line))))) (cons dir line))) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Aug 16 03:14:01 2013 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Aug 2013 07:14:01 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33724 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VAEES-00026O-8f for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 16 Aug 2013 03:14:00 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:38056 ident=Debian-exim) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VAEEP-00026G-Ek for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 16 Aug 2013 03:13:57 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VAEEP-0004Ak-0f for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 16 Aug 2013 03:13:57 -0400 Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2013 03:13:57 -0400 Message-Id: Subject: control message for bug 15058 To: X-Mailer: mail (GNU Mailutils 2.1) From: Glenn Morris X-Spam-Score: -7.8 (-------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -7.8 (-------) close 15058 24.4