From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jul 29 22:34:05 2013 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Jul 2013 02:34:05 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57172 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1V3zlE-0006X6-HP for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 22:34:05 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:37131) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1V3zlC-0006WV-BH for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 22:34:02 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1V3zkw-0005vZ-UJ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 22:33:57 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,RP_MATCHES_RCVD, USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:43556) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1V3zkw-0005vV-RX for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 22:33:46 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:38822) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1V3zkp-00021G-F7 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 22:33:46 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1V3zki-0005up-2u for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 22:33:39 -0400 Received: from smtp02.dentaku.gol.com ([203.216.5.72]:45857) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1V3zkh-0005uf-Qt for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 22:33:32 -0400 Received: from 61.245.23.144.eo.eaccess.ne.jp ([61.245.23.144] helo=catnip.gol.com) by smtp02.dentaku.gol.com with esmtpa (Dentaku) (envelope-from ) id 1V3zkf-0004N8-TK for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 30 Jul 2013 11:33:30 +0900 Received: by catnip.gol.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 9DF20E047; Tue, 30 Jul 2013 11:33:28 +0900 (JST) From: Miles Bader To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 24.3.50; "-bg black" command line option should automatically set foreground color Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2013 11:33:28 +0900 Message-ID: <87hafc93pj.fsf@catnip.gol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV GOL (outbound) X-GOL-Spam-Score: -1.0 X-Abuse-Complaints: abuse@gol.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.9 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -4.9 (----) The Emacs defaults are white background and black foreground colors. If one starts emacs with just "-bg black", it results in black text on a black background, although most colored emacs faces are ok as they automatically adapt the black background. This is obviously not so user friendly, and it would be good if emacs automatically chose a foreground color to match the background color (absent any explicit "-fg" option). Thanks, -miles In GNU Emacs 24.3.50.2 (x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.24.10) of 2013-05-13 on catnip System Description: Debian GNU/Linux unstable (sid) Important settings: value of $LANG: en_US.UTF-8 locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix default enable-multibyte-characters: t Major mode: Lisp Interaction Minor modes in effect: tooltip-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t tool-bar-mode: t menu-bar-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t auto-composition-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t line-number-mode: t transient-mark-mode: t Recent input: ESC x r e p o r t - e m a TAB RET Recent messages: ("emacs") Loading term/xterm...done For information about GNU Emacs and the GNU system, type C-h C-a. current-kill: Kill ring is empty Load-path shadows: None found. 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At night the ice weasels come. --Nietzsche From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Aug 15 00:07:42 2019 Received: (at 14984) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Aug 2019 04:07:42 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50276 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hy737-0004RV-Op for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 15 Aug 2019 00:07:41 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]:34414) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hy736-0004RN-Do for 14984@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 15 Aug 2019 00:07:40 -0400 Received: from 24-104-73-23-ip-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net ([24.104.73.23] helo=sandy) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hy732-0007aS-EI; Thu, 15 Aug 2019 06:07:39 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Miles Bader Subject: Re: bug#14984: 24.3.50; "-bg black" command line option should automatically set foreground color References: <87hafc93pj.fsf@catnip.gol.com> Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2019 21:07:34 -0700 In-Reply-To: <87hafc93pj.fsf@catnip.gol.com> (Miles Bader's message of "Tue, 30 Jul 2013 11:33:28 +0900") Message-ID: <87sgq32hrt.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. 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Content preview: Miles Bader writes: > The Emacs defaults are white background and black foreground colors. > > If one starts emacs with just "-bg black", it results in black text on a > black background, although most colored emacs face [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 14984 Cc: 14984@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Miles Bader writes: > The Emacs defaults are white background and black foreground colors. > > If one starts emacs with just "-bg black", it results in black text on a > black background, although most colored emacs faces are ok as they > automatically adapt the black background. > > This is obviously not so user friendly, and it would be good if emacs > automatically chose a foreground color to match the background color > (absent any explicit "-fg" option). Hm... Well, it might be more user-friendly, but I think it would be slightly surprising to also change the -fg colour when you set -bg on the command line. The foreground colour may be specified in .Xdefaults or something. I guess if there is absolutely no foreground colour specification, then setting the foreground upon -bg black would be friendlier, but what if the user said -bf "#000001" (i.e., "almost black")? So I think special-casing one particular value to DWIM would be difficult to justify, and I'm closing this bug report. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Aug 15 00:07:50 2019 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Aug 2019 04:07:50 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50279 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hy73G-0004Rr-1a for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 15 Aug 2019 00:07:50 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]:34428) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hy73E-0004Rj-6g for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 15 Aug 2019 00:07:48 -0400 Received: from 24-104-73-23-ip-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net ([24.104.73.23] helo=sandy) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hy73B-0007aZ-Br for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 15 Aug 2019 06:07:47 +0200 Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2019 21:07:43 -0700 Message-Id: <87r25n2hrk.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> To: control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: control message for bug #14984 X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. 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Content preview: tags 14984 wontfix close 14984 quit Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) tags 14984 wontfix close 14984 quit From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Aug 15 10:43:27 2019 Received: (at 14984) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Aug 2019 14:43:27 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52147 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hyGyN-00026T-1C for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 15 Aug 2019 10:43:27 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:45577) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hyGyJ-00026G-Re for 14984@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 15 Aug 2019 10:43:26 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:48725) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hyGyE-00044W-MT; Thu, 15 Aug 2019 10:43:18 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=2598 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1hyGyB-0003zh-42; Thu, 15 Aug 2019 10:43:15 -0400 Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2019 17:43:08 +0300 Message-Id: <83ef1mqykj.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Lars Ingebrigtsen In-reply-to: <87sgq32hrt.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> (message from Lars Ingebrigtsen on Wed, 14 Aug 2019 21:07:34 -0700) Subject: Re: bug#14984: 24.3.50; "-bg black" command line option should automatically set foreground color References: <87hafc93pj.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <87sgq32hrt.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 14984 Cc: 14984@debbugs.gnu.org, miles@gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Lars Ingebrigtsen > Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2019 21:07:34 -0700 > Cc: 14984@debbugs.gnu.org > > > If one starts emacs with just "-bg black", it results in black text on a > > black background, although most colored emacs faces are ok as they > > automatically adapt the black background. > > > > This is obviously not so user friendly, and it would be good if emacs > > automatically chose a foreground color to match the background color > > (absent any explicit "-fg" option). > > Hm... Well, it might be more user-friendly, but I think it would be > slightly surprising to also change the -fg colour when you set -bg on > the command line. The foreground colour may be specified in .Xdefaults > or something. > > I guess if there is absolutely no foreground colour specification, then > setting the foreground upon -bg black would be friendlier, but what if > the user said -bf "#000001" (i.e., "almost black")? > > So I think special-casing one particular value to DWIM would be > difficult to justify, and I'm closing this bug report. I agree. From unknown Thu Sep 11 18:22:19 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2019 11:24:11 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator