From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Jul 20 21:23:00 2013 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Jul 2013 01:23:00 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40295 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1V0iMW-0005Ek-4d for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 20 Jul 2013 21:23:00 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:51575) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1V0iMT-0005ED-4U for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 20 Jul 2013 21:22:57 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1V0iMM-0006Px-S7 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 20 Jul 2013 21:22:51 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_20, USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:33533) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1V0iMM-0006Pr-PC for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 20 Jul 2013 21:22:50 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:53296) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1V0iML-0007rA-R8 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 20 Jul 2013 21:22:50 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1V0iML-0006Pd-0x for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 20 Jul 2013 21:22:49 -0400 Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:40843) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1V0iMK-0006PZ-QA for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 20 Jul 2013 21:22:48 -0400 Received: from acsinet21.oracle.com (acsinet21.oracle.com [141.146.126.237]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.1/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.1) with ESMTP id r6L1MlDI020540 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Sun, 21 Jul 2013 01:22:48 GMT Received: from userz7022.oracle.com (userz7022.oracle.com [156.151.31.86]) by acsinet21.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r6L1MkBU020346 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 21 Jul 2013 01:22:47 GMT Received: from abhmt115.oracle.com (abhmt115.oracle.com [141.146.116.67]) by userz7022.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r6L1Mkck008743 for ; Sun, 21 Jul 2013 01:22:46 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2013 18:22:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 24.3.50; Disable mail menu items unless configured X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.7 (607090) [OL 12.0.6668.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: acsinet21.oracle.com [141.146.126.237] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x-2.6.x [generic] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -2.4 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.4 (--) Please remove (not :visible) or disable (not :enable) all menu items that have to do with mail or news unless Emacs is actually configured for these, i.e., unless the menu items actually work. In my case, on Windows, none of these are operational: `Read Net News (Gnus)' `Read Mail (with RMAIL)' `Send Mail (with Gnus Message)' It is impolite and disrespectul of users to pollute the menu space with items and menus that are not usable. In GNU Emacs 24.3.50.1 (i686-pc-mingw32) of 2013-07-14 on ODIEONE Bzr revision: 113423 lekktu@gmail.com-20130715004922-i67tg2ois14h3fpm Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 6.1.7601 Configured using: `configure --prefix=3D/c/Devel/emacs/binary --enable-checking=3Dyes,glyphs CFLAGS=3D'-O0 -g3' CPPFLAGS=3D'-Ic:/Devel/emacs/include' LDFLAGS=3D'-Lc:/Devel/emacs/lib'' From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Jul 20 21:26:50 2013 Received: (at 14921) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Jul 2013 01:26:50 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40311 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1V0iQC-0005Ni-UN for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 20 Jul 2013 21:26:49 -0400 Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:41157) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1V0iQ9-0005NQ-Gb for 14921@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 20 Jul 2013 21:26:46 -0400 Received: from ucsinet21.oracle.com (ucsinet21.oracle.com [156.151.31.93]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.1/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.1) with ESMTP id r6L1Qc2W022091 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for <14921@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 21 Jul 2013 01:26:39 GMT Received: from aserz7022.oracle.com (aserz7022.oracle.com [141.146.126.231]) by ucsinet21.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r6L1Qbs3017683 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for <14921@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 21 Jul 2013 01:26:38 GMT Received: from abhmt115.oracle.com (abhmt115.oracle.com [141.146.116.67]) by aserz7022.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r6L1QbSq014672 for <14921@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 21 Jul 2013 01:26:37 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <9a8ab611-05bd-418c-9ff2-fa0fafb3858e@default> Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2013 18:26:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams To: 14921@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: RE: bug#14921: 24.3.50; Disable mail menu items unless configured References: In-Reply-To: X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.7 (607090) [OL 12.0.6668.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: ucsinet21.oracle.com [156.151.31.93] X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 14921 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) > `Read Net News (Gnus)' > `Read Mail (with RMAIL)' > `Send Mail (with Gnus Message)' I guess I was wrong about `Send Mail (with Gnus Message)'. It is operational in my case - it simply makes use of my external mail client. The bug in this case is the misleading menu item name. It should say only `Send Mail', not also `(with Gnus Message)'. But again, if not too onerous, the UI should test whether the user actually has sending mail from Emacs configured, and disable the item if not. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Apr 29 09:12:58 2016 Received: (at 14921) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Apr 2016 13:12:58 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54093 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1aw8E6-0008Tx-5U for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 29 Apr 2016 09:12:58 -0400 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:54620) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1aw8E4-0008To-6h for 14921@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 29 Apr 2016 09:12:56 -0400 Received: from cm-84.215.1.64.getinternet.no ([84.215.1.64] helo=mouse) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1aw8E1-0007xl-8w; Fri, 29 Apr 2016 15:12:55 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Drew Adams Subject: Re: bug#14921: 24.3.50; Disable mail menu items unless configured References: <9a8ab611-05bd-418c-9ff2-fa0fafb3858e@default> Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2016 15:12:52 +0200 In-Reply-To: <9a8ab611-05bd-418c-9ff2-fa0fafb3858e@default> (Drew Adams's message of "Sat, 20 Jul 2013 18:26:38 -0700 (PDT)") Message-ID: <8760v0a78r.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 14921 Cc: 14921@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) Drew Adams writes: >> `Read Net News (Gnus)' >> `Read Mail (with RMAIL)' >> `Send Mail (with Gnus Message)' > > I guess I was wrong about `Send Mail (with Gnus Message)'. > It is operational in my case - it simply makes use of my > external mail client. > > The bug in this case is the misleading menu item name. > It should say only `Send Mail', not also `(with Gnus Message)'. > > But again, if not too onerous, the UI should test whether the > user actually has sending mail from Emacs configured, and > disable the item if not. Looks like Stefan did some renaming of these items a few years back. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Apr 29 09:13:03 2016 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Apr 2016 13:13:03 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54097 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1aw8EB-0008Uf-C0 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 29 Apr 2016 09:13:03 -0400 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:54627) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1aw8E9-0008U6-2t for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 29 Apr 2016 09:13:01 -0400 Received: from cm-84.215.1.64.getinternet.no ([84.215.1.64] helo=mouse) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1aw8E6-0007y4-SK for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 29 Apr 2016 15:13:00 +0200 Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2016 15:12:57 +0200 Message-Id: <874maka78m.fsf@gnus.org> To: control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: control message for bug #14921 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) close 14921 From unknown Sun Jun 22 08:08:48 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. 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