From unknown Sun Jun 22 17:12:49 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#14876: 24.3; load-path and environment variable EMACSLOADPATH Resent-From: "Roland Winkler" Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 22:42:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 14876 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 14876@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.13739280881809 (code B ref -1); Mon, 15 Jul 2013 22:42:01 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Jul 2013 22:41:28 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56742 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UyrSR-0000T5-H7 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 18:41:27 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:37648) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UyrSO-0000Sp-Kf for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 18:41:24 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UyrSG-0007tj-5e for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 18:41:19 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:34112) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UyrSG-0007te-2Q for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 18:41:16 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:39336) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UyrSD-0006LR-81 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 18:41:15 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UyrSA-0007sP-Fd for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 18:41:13 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:34073) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UyrSA-0007sL-CS for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 18:41:10 -0400 Received: from adsl-68-77-23-184.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net ([68.77.23.184]:35362 helo=regnitz) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UyrS9-0002tv-Tj for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 18:41:10 -0400 Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 17:41:07 -0500 Message-Id: <87d2qjphto.fsf@gnu.org> From: "Roland Winkler" X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -3.7 (---) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.7 (---) The node "Library Search" suggests to to set EMACSLOADPATH to some user directory such as /home/foo/.emacs.d/lisp. Yet this does not agree with the docstring of load-path and emacs fails miserably if one uses export EMACSLOADPATH=/home/foo/.emacs.d/lisp The proper meaning of EMACSLOADPATH seems to be the one given in the docstring of load-path saying that EMACSLOADPATH overrides the default value of load-path specified by file `epaths.h' when Emacs was built. The docstring of load-path also says that an element `nil' means "try default directory". Yet what is the "default directory" in this context? default-directory is a buffer-local variable with default nil. I looked into this because I was looking for a way to _extend_ the emacs load path in a Makefile generated via autoconf. Autoconf uses the shell script elisp-comp to compile lisp files. This script uses echo "(setq load-path (cons nil load-path))" > script $EMACS -batch -q -l script -f batch-byte-compile *.el || exit $? In such a hard-coded setting I cannot (easily) extend the load-path via the emacs option --load. But the purpose of loading the file script is not clear to me either. In GNU Emacs 24.3.1 (x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.20.1) of 2013-03-27 on regnitz Windowing system distributor `The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.10706000 System Description: Ubuntu 10.04.4 LTS From unknown Sun Jun 22 17:12:49 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#14876: 24.3; load-path and environment variable EMACSLOADPATH Resent-From: Glenn Morris Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 22:49:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 14876 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: "Roland Winkler" Cc: 14876@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 14876-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B14876.13739285296543 (code B ref 14876); Mon, 15 Jul 2013 22:49:02 +0000 Received: (at 14876) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Jul 2013 22:48:49 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56753 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UyrZY-0001hS-41 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 18:48:48 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:34139 ident=Debian-exim) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UyrZW-0001hK-C5 for 14876@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 18:48:46 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UyrZV-0003uD-3h; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 18:48:45 -0400 From: Glenn Morris References: <87d2qjphto.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spook: ASLET broadside passwd Baranyi Firewalls assassination X-Ran: lssVq9ktDE-^H/c:;wV;hT.^jr+,HaW]+$&)pC'P&itc0JA[^,{Qqlvj_.Iq6BE#\fDG.0 X-Hue: red X-Attribution: GM Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 18:48:44 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87d2qjphto.fsf@gnu.org> (Roland Winkler's message of "Mon, 15 Jul 2013 17:41:07 -0500") Message-ID: <52vc4b7837.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -5.4 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.4 (-----) "Roland Winkler" wrote: > The node "Library Search" suggests to to set EMACSLOADPATH to some > user directory such as /home/foo/.emacs.d/lisp. I don't quite see that it literally says that; but the info node should be tidied up a little bit. > The proper meaning of EMACSLOADPATH seems to be the one given in the > docstring of load-path saying that EMACSLOADPATH overrides the > default value of load-path specified by file `epaths.h' when Emacs > was built. Yes. > The docstring of load-path also says that an element `nil' means > "try default directory". Yet what is the "default directory" in this > context? Whatever the value is where you call `load' from. > default-directory is a buffer-local variable with default nil. Seems like a red-herring. Normally every buffer has a non-nil value. > I looked into this because I was looking for a way to _extend_ the > emacs load path in a Makefile generated via autoconf. Use "emacs -L /path/to/add". (cf http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=12100 ) From unknown Sun Jun 22 17:12:49 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#14876: 24.3; load-path and environment variable EMACSLOADPATH Resent-From: "Roland Winkler" Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 23:12:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 14876 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Glenn Morris Cc: 14876@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 14876-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B14876.13739298859457 (code B ref 14876); Mon, 15 Jul 2013 23:12:02 +0000 Received: (at 14876) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Jul 2013 23:11:25 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56780 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UyrvQ-0002ST-Hu for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 19:11:24 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:34564 ident=Debian-exim) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UyrvO-0002SJ-9A for 14876@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 19:11:23 -0400 Received: from adsl-68-77-23-184.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net ([68.77.23.184]:35461 helo=regnitz) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UyrvM-00048K-V3; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 19:11:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <20964.33174.309621.114986@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 18:11:18 -0500 From: "Roland Winkler" In-Reply-To: <52vc4b7837.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> References: <87d2qjphto.fsf@gnu.org> <52vc4b7837.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> X-Mailer: VM 8.2 trial under 24.3.1 (x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu) X-Spam-Score: -5.4 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.4 (-----) On Mon Jul 15 2013 Glenn Morris wrote: > > I looked into this because I was looking for a way to _extend_ the > > emacs load path in a Makefile generated via autoconf. > > Use "emacs -L /path/to/add". ...as I was trying to explain: this does not work with a Makefile generated via autoconf. > (cf http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=12100 ) I agree with http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=12100#19 From unknown Sun Jun 22 17:12:49 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#14876: 24.3; load-path and environment variable EMACSLOADPATH Resent-From: Glenn Morris Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 23:24:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 14876 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: "Roland Winkler" Cc: 14876@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 14876-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B14876.137393061211193 (code B ref 14876); Mon, 15 Jul 2013 23:24:01 +0000 Received: (at 14876) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Jul 2013 23:23:32 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56835 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Uys79-0002uS-Rx for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 19:23:32 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:34752 ident=Debian-exim) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Uys76-0002uJ-Sr for 14876@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 19:23:29 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Uys75-0005O7-CI; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 19:23:27 -0400 From: Glenn Morris References: <87d2qjphto.fsf@gnu.org> <52vc4b7837.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <20964.33174.309621.114986@gargle.gargle.HOWL> X-Spook: csystems Rumsfeld Montenegro Al Jazeera military afsatcom X-Ran: 6(|@z>1_N;B8uXJ1L7P7'evWur?wE._PWT?R@]^\(m[\8p*$*hDmSz`g)0=eWLyB)MF1f- X-Hue: blue X-Attribution: GM Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 19:23:27 -0400 In-Reply-To: <20964.33174.309621.114986@gargle.gargle.HOWL> (Roland Winkler's message of "Mon, 15 Jul 2013 18:11:18 -0500") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -5.4 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.4 (-----) "Roland Winkler" wrote: >> Use "emacs -L /path/to/add". > > ...as I was trying to explain: this does not work with a Makefile > generated via autoconf. Oh, I get it now, I think. Surely autoconf must provide _some_ way for you to customize the command-line it uses, and if it does not, that sounds like an autoconf bug, doesn't it? Can you do EMACS="emacs -L /path/to/add" or is EMACS treated literally as an executable name? > I agree with > http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=12100#19 So do I; but http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=14513#102 Patches welcome. From unknown Sun Jun 22 17:12:49 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#14876: 24.3; load-path and environment variable EMACSLOADPATH Resent-From: Glenn Morris Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 23:30:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 14876 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: "Roland Winkler" Cc: 14876@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 14876-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B14876.137393099512032 (code B ref 14876); Mon, 15 Jul 2013 23:30:02 +0000 Received: (at 14876) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Jul 2013 23:29:55 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56879 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UysDK-00037y-QZ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 19:29:55 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:34852 ident=Debian-exim) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UysDI-00037i-M9 for 14876@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 19:29:53 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UysDH-0007Ni-Dx; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 19:29:51 -0400 From: Glenn Morris References: <87d2qjphto.fsf@gnu.org> <52vc4b7837.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <20964.33174.309621.114986@gargle.gargle.HOWL> X-Spook: Jiang Zemin BRLO secure Rule Psix halcon MIT-LL 9705 X-Ran: D}?P2/lJ;.Nh[`8X"&`lz&DXpg3LCil;v0]Tq7NTo1QF|2|Z&Mh>\p X-Hue: black X-Attribution: GM Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 19:29:51 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Glenn Morris's message of "Mon, 15 Jul 2013 19:23:27 -0400") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -5.4 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.4 (-----) Glenn Morris wrote: > Surely autoconf must provide _some_ way for you to customize the > command-line it uses, and if it does not, that sounds like an autoconf > bug, doesn't it? BTW, I guess you mean automake not autoconf. Also, perhaps this an automake bug which is fixed: http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=11806 From unknown Sun Jun 22 17:12:49 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#14876: 24.3; load-path and environment variable EMACSLOADPATH Resent-From: "Roland Winkler" Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 00:35:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 14876 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Glenn Morris Cc: 14876@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 14876-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B14876.137393485020571 (code B ref 14876); Tue, 16 Jul 2013 00:35:02 +0000 Received: (at 14876) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Jul 2013 00:34:10 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56933 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UytDV-0005Li-Jw for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 20:34:09 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:36006 ident=Debian-exim) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UytDT-0005LZ-P1 for 14876@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 20:34:08 -0400 Received: from adsl-68-77-23-184.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net ([68.77.23.184]:35681 helo=regnitz) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UytDS-0003BY-L7; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 20:34:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <20964.38139.990086.220391@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 19:34:03 -0500 From: "Roland Winkler" In-Reply-To: References: <87d2qjphto.fsf@gnu.org> <52vc4b7837.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <20964.33174.309621.114986@gargle.gargle.HOWL> X-Mailer: VM 8.2 trial under 24.3.1 (x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu) X-Spam-Score: -5.4 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.4 (-----) On Mon Jul 15 2013 Glenn Morris wrote: > Also, perhaps this an automake bug which is fixed: > > http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=11806 Thanks for the hint. Indeed, this bug report seems to be outdated. In GNU Automake 1.13 the script elisp-comp has been removed completely, see https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/automake/2012-12/msg00038.html (and 1.14 has been released since then, too) For lisp files, automake 1.14 generates a Makefile using an approach that has been completely redesigned. I need to check more carefully whether now automake allows to extend the lisp load path. From unknown Sun Jun 22 17:12:49 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#14876: 24.3; load-path and environment variable EMACSLOADPATH Resent-From: "Roland Winkler" Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 00:56:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 14876 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Glenn Morris , 14876@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 14876-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B14876.137393611323952 (code B ref 14876); Tue, 16 Jul 2013 00:56:02 +0000 Received: (at 14876) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Jul 2013 00:55:13 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56989 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UytXr-0006EE-Ke for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 20:55:12 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:36304 ident=Debian-exim) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UytXo-0006E0-4p for 14876@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 20:55:08 -0400 Received: from adsl-68-77-23-184.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net ([68.77.23.184]:35720 helo=regnitz) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UytXm-0008Ey-G2; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 20:55:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <20964.39399.830180.518340@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 19:55:03 -0500 From: "Roland Winkler" In-Reply-To: <20964.38139.990086.220391@gargle.gargle.HOWL> References: <87d2qjphto.fsf@gnu.org> <52vc4b7837.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <20964.33174.309621.114986@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <20964.38139.990086.220391@gargle.gargle.HOWL> X-Mailer: VM 8.2 trial under 24.3.1 (x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu) X-Spam-Score: -5.4 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.4 (-----) On Mon Jul 15 2013 Roland Winkler wrote: > For lisp files, automake 1.14 generates a Makefile using an approach > that has been completely redesigned. I need to check more carefully > whether now automake allows to extend the lisp load path. Indeed, the automake variable AM_ELCFLAGS does exactly what I need. Hooray. From unknown Sun Jun 22 17:12:49 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#14876: 24.3; load-path and environment variable EMACSLOADPATH Resent-From: Glenn Morris Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 00:56:03 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 14876 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: "Roland Winkler" Cc: 14876@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 14876-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B14876.137393611823971 (code B ref 14876); Tue, 16 Jul 2013 00:56:03 +0000 Received: (at 14876) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Jul 2013 00:55:18 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56992 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UytXw-0006EW-Uz for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 20:55:17 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:36309 ident=Debian-exim) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UytXt-0006EN-7y for 14876@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 20:55:14 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UytXq-0008Jh-TR; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 20:55:10 -0400 From: Glenn Morris References: <87d2qjphto.fsf@gnu.org> <52vc4b7837.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <20964.33174.309621.114986@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <20964.38139.990086.220391@gargle.gargle.HOWL> X-Spook: SWAT TELINT AFSPC Rand Corporation JPL encryption CBNRC X-Ran: 9jZI4{():*cy|9@`Z%wU@+RFU]':Q"?K-/}37fOV\>ke,0IE,\9I,9<`$[W-*.w)(-Sne; X-Hue: blue X-Attribution: GM Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 20:55:10 -0400 In-Reply-To: <20964.38139.990086.220391@gargle.gargle.HOWL> (Roland Winkler's message of "Mon, 15 Jul 2013 19:34:03 -0500") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -5.4 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.4 (-----) "Roland Winkler" wrote: > In GNU Automake 1.13 the script elisp-comp has been removed > completely, see > > https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/automake/2012-12/msg00038.html > > (and 1.14 has been released since then, too) > > For lisp files, automake 1.14 generates a Makefile using an approach > that has been completely redesigned. I need to check more carefully > whether now automake allows to extend the lisp load path. Great! Looks like you should just be able to set (AM_)ELCFLAGS to -L ... in recent automake. From unknown Sun Jun 22 17:12:49 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#14876: 24.3; load-path and environment variable EMACSLOADPATH Resent-From: "Roland Winkler" Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 01:17:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 14876 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Glenn Morris Cc: 14876@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 14876-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B14876.137393738927180 (code B ref 14876); Tue, 16 Jul 2013 01:17:01 +0000 Received: (at 14876) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Jul 2013 01:16:29 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57034 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UytsS-00074I-0a for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 21:16:28 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:36628 ident=Debian-exim) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UytsP-00074A-SX for 14876@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 21:16:26 -0400 Received: from adsl-68-77-23-184.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net ([68.77.23.184]:35752 helo=regnitz) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UytsO-0008Cj-Ss; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 21:16:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <20964.40678.246559.282930@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 20:16:22 -0500 From: "Roland Winkler" In-Reply-To: References: <87d2qjphto.fsf@gnu.org> <52vc4b7837.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <20964.33174.309621.114986@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <20964.38139.990086.220391@gargle.gargle.HOWL> X-Mailer: VM 8.2 trial under 24.3.1 (x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu) X-Spam-Score: -5.4 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.4 (-----) On Mon Jul 15 2013 Glenn Morris wrote: > Great! Looks like you should just be able to set (AM_)ELCFLAGS to -L ... > in recent automake. With automake 1.14, by default, the compilation of lisp code uses only the emacs option -batch. It does not include the option -q. I do not know whether this is reasonable. ...When I think about it, this might even be considered a regression compared with the old automake shell script elisp-comp which did use the option -q. Should I send a bug report to the automake maintainers about this? From unknown Sun Jun 22 17:12:49 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#14876: 24.3; load-path and environment variable EMACSLOADPATH Resent-From: Glenn Morris Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 01:40:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 14876 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: "Roland Winkler" Cc: 14876@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 14876-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B14876.137393879630915 (code B ref 14876); Tue, 16 Jul 2013 01:40:01 +0000 Received: (at 14876) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Jul 2013 01:39:56 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57060 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UyuF9-00082Y-Gm for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 21:39:55 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:37000 ident=Debian-exim) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UyuF6-00082Q-UO for 14876@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 21:39:53 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UyuF5-0008Gb-Gm; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 21:39:51 -0400 From: Glenn Morris References: <87d2qjphto.fsf@gnu.org> <52vc4b7837.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <20964.33174.309621.114986@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <20964.38139.990086.220391@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <20964.40678.246559.282930@gargle.gargle.HOWL> X-Spook: virus Ft. Bragg Islam Abduganievich Karimov government X-Ran: av&m{Y'u+JeXA.Xj={A"MFNK%X=~cJiWxJ>W'>:._+v[7v=(#P}+&Z3_Nos!R-G'fh^j=% X-Hue: yellow X-Attribution: GM Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 21:39:51 -0400 In-Reply-To: <20964.40678.246559.282930@gargle.gargle.HOWL> (Roland Winkler's message of "Mon, 15 Jul 2013 20:16:22 -0500") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -5.4 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.4 (-----) "Roland Winkler" wrote: > With automake 1.14, by default, the compilation of lisp code uses > only the emacs option -batch. It does not include the option -q. > I do not know whether this is reasonable. ...When I think about it, > this might even be considered a regression compared with the old > automake shell script elisp-comp which did use the option -q. > Should I send a bug report to the automake maintainers about this? -batch implies -q. (I always forget that as well; it's a non-obvious relationship IMO.) From unknown Sun Jun 22 17:12:49 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#14876: 24.3; load-path and environment variable EMACSLOADPATH Resent-From: "Roland Winkler" Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 03:15:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 14876 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Glenn Morris Cc: 14876@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 14876-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B14876.137394449513516 (code B ref 14876); Tue, 16 Jul 2013 03:15:02 +0000 Received: (at 14876) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Jul 2013 03:14:55 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57168 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Uyvj4-0003Vt-U2 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 23:14:55 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:38622 ident=Debian-exim) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Uyvj2-0003Vf-6v for 14876@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 23:14:52 -0400 Received: from adsl-68-77-23-184.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net ([68.77.23.184]:35973 helo=regnitz) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Uyvj1-0004bF-2I; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 23:14:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <20964.47785.93532.385327@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 22:14:49 -0500 From: "Roland Winkler" In-Reply-To: References: <87d2qjphto.fsf@gnu.org> <52vc4b7837.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <20964.33174.309621.114986@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <20964.38139.990086.220391@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <20964.40678.246559.282930@gargle.gargle.HOWL> X-Mailer: VM 8.2 trial under 24.3.1 (x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu) X-Spam-Score: -5.4 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.4 (-----) On Mon Jul 15 2013 Glenn Morris wrote: > "Roland Winkler" wrote: > > With automake 1.14, by default, the compilation of lisp code uses > > only the emacs option -batch. It does not include the option -q. > > I do not know whether this is reasonable. ...When I think about it, > > this might even be considered a regression compared with the old > > automake shell script elisp-comp which did use the option -q. > > Should I send a bug report to the automake maintainers about this? > > -batch implies -q. > > (I always forget that as well; it's a non-obvious relationship IMO.) Ah, thanks. From unknown Sun Jun 22 17:12:49 2025 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.503 (Entity 5.503) X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org From: help-debbugs@gnu.org (GNU bug Tracking System) To: "Roland Winkler" Subject: bug#14876: closed (Re: bug#14876: 24.3; load-path and environment variable EMACSLOADPATH) Message-ID: References: <4qppq3bcmp.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87d2qjphto.fsf@gnu.org> X-Gnu-PR-Message: they-closed 14876 X-Gnu-PR-Package: emacs Reply-To: 14876@debbugs.gnu.org Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2013 08:40:04 +0000 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------=_1384418404-10935-1" This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1384418404-10935-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Your bug report #14876: 24.3; load-path and environment variable EMACSLOADPATH which was filed against the emacs package, has been closed. The explanation is attached below, along with your original report. If you require more details, please reply to 14876@debbugs.gnu.org. --=20 14876: http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D14876 GNU Bug Tracking System Contact help-debbugs@gnu.org with problems ------------=_1384418404-10935-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at 14876-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Nov 2013 08:39:46 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51354 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VgsSo-0002pq-6l for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 14 Nov 2013 03:39:46 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:58414 ident=Debian-exim) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VgsSm-0002pj-Lx for 14876-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 14 Nov 2013 03:39:45 -0500 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VgsSk-00082i-Vm; Thu, 14 Nov 2013 03:39:43 -0500 From: Glenn Morris To: 14876-done@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#14876: 24.3; load-path and environment variable EMACSLOADPATH References: <87d2qjphto.fsf@gnu.org> <52vc4b7837.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> X-Spook: Albright Ron Brown Craig Livingstone AK-47 David John X-Ran: #i*_zb3x^>RIN9DnXkMd3+2"aDSmc2gN[#fQ/?a1_XB6M/JUw0@X=n9BU-@~j#k<1C-~sI X-Hue: yellow X-Debbugs-No-Ack: yes X-Attribution: GM Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2013 03:39:42 -0500 In-Reply-To: <52vc4b7837.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> (Glenn Morris's message of "Mon, 15 Jul 2013 18:48:44 -0400") Message-ID: <4qppq3bcmp.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 14876-done X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) Version: 24.4 I finally got round to updating the "Library Search" section. ------------=_1384418404-10935-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Jul 2013 22:41:28 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56742 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UyrSR-0000T5-H7 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 18:41:27 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:37648) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UyrSO-0000Sp-Kf for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 18:41:24 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UyrSG-0007tj-5e for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 18:41:19 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:34112) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UyrSG-0007te-2Q for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 18:41:16 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:39336) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UyrSD-0006LR-81 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 18:41:15 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UyrSA-0007sP-Fd for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 18:41:13 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:34073) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UyrSA-0007sL-CS for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 18:41:10 -0400 Received: from adsl-68-77-23-184.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net ([68.77.23.184]:35362 helo=regnitz) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UyrS9-0002tv-Tj for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 18:41:10 -0400 Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 17:41:07 -0500 Message-Id: <87d2qjphto.fsf@gnu.org> From: "Roland Winkler" To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 24.3; load-path and environment variable EMACSLOADPATH X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -3.7 (---) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.7 (---) The node "Library Search" suggests to to set EMACSLOADPATH to some user directory such as /home/foo/.emacs.d/lisp. Yet this does not agree with the docstring of load-path and emacs fails miserably if one uses export EMACSLOADPATH=/home/foo/.emacs.d/lisp The proper meaning of EMACSLOADPATH seems to be the one given in the docstring of load-path saying that EMACSLOADPATH overrides the default value of load-path specified by file `epaths.h' when Emacs was built. The docstring of load-path also says that an element `nil' means "try default directory". Yet what is the "default directory" in this context? default-directory is a buffer-local variable with default nil. I looked into this because I was looking for a way to _extend_ the emacs load path in a Makefile generated via autoconf. Autoconf uses the shell script elisp-comp to compile lisp files. This script uses echo "(setq load-path (cons nil load-path))" > script $EMACS -batch -q -l script -f batch-byte-compile *.el || exit $? In such a hard-coded setting I cannot (easily) extend the load-path via the emacs option --load. But the purpose of loading the file script is not clear to me either. In GNU Emacs 24.3.1 (x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.20.1) of 2013-03-27 on regnitz Windowing system distributor `The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.10706000 System Description: Ubuntu 10.04.4 LTS ------------=_1384418404-10935-1--